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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Alex BAIZEAU
Hey Ben, We visited that boat this summer, it seemed indeed to be in good shape for its age but in our opinion the fact that the standing rigging, the engine, the sails, the electronics, and some of the running rigging, although serviceable were all due (age or hours wise) for an upgrade wasn’t priced in we decided to pass. We ended up buying a younger Maramu with a replaced engine, more recent sails, and the Nirvana mast in mast furlers for less. The current boat inventory might be different so take it with a grain of salt We hired Bill Rouse and he would tell you to not overpay for that boat and to get it surveyed by Olivier Beaute as you are in France. Good Luck Alex
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 9:34 AM marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> wrote:
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Ben,
I can certainly help. Last I bought a 1977 Meltem, very similar build and same equipment. I went through everything and I will help you. What is your time zone? -- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med
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Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?
Thanks very much, Scott. You certainly are putting a lot of effort into your posts! I am sceptical as well of the MV support guys’ claim that his batteries are différent but MV’s advice to keep the batteries at 100% is out there right in their manual. Why would they recommend something that is proven to be detrimental to the batteries?
Thanks also for sending the article. Having been an engineer in my first life and having done university level research work myself, I’m highly sceptical of the results of the simplified test for a number of reasons. First, there is no indication that the researcher has any qualifications whatsoever - on his linked in page he’s described as a sales manager. So I’m not sure of his motivations for writing the article. Second, there is just ONE test run with ONE set of discharge and charge parameters. These small differences he’s measured are they repeatable or could they be the result of variations between the cells, for example. Also, a serious researcher would always run various parameters to see whether there are relationships between the outcome and your parameters. For example, I charge my batteries at less than 25% of capacity because that’s all my chargers can do and at the the very end of the charging process my chargers would go into float, so the charge goes down to a few amps. His test was at a charge rate of 50% of capacity - until full? If so, wow! He’s also discharging the cells to 2.0V - my batteries would never go down so low because of the BMS. Even more importantly, the cells he’s tested - are they what I and you have? He used 1.5Ah capacity cells - that’s pretty small. What is the testing setup he’s used? Testing such minuscule voltage differences must require some expensive equipment, right? So I have a lot of questions and see this «test » more as the typical pseudo science that unfortunately pervades social media. I’m curious to see whether there is any serious research out there. Thanks again for your and everyone else’s thoughts! Joerg Esdorn A55 #53 Kincsem Currently cruising Brittany
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Re: Speed sensor rubber cap
Stefan Jeukendrup
Hi Mohammed,
Yes, I had the same problem you have 2 times: replaced the sensor
on the hull with the boat in the water 3 years ago and the sensor
on the keel this year during haulout. The heart of these sensors is a thin piezo ceramic plate with 2 electrodes which is glued on one side to the rubber cap and the other side is epoxied together with the cable in the housing. See the enclosed sketch. A possible reason that re-glueing the cap ( or filling the hole
with silicone) does not work is that the actual sensor, a piezo
crystal with very high impedance, should not be in contact with
seawater which conducts electricity
This sensor fails too often and this might why: The rubber cap is a little smaller than the hole so it can move a little and seawater can get to the side of the sensor. Over time this dislodges the glue between rubber cap and crystal I followed the advice of another member of this forum: when
mounting a new sensor fill the space around the rubber cap with
neoprene to make sure the water stays out and the rubber cap
cannot move anymore.
Hope this is helpfull,
Stefan Jeukendrup sv Malaka Queen SM2k #348 @ Newry, Northern Ireland
Op 06-10-2021 om 08:32 schreef Mohammad
Shirloo:
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
marklesparkle59
That lools so much like a large version of Sea Hobo my 1983 Sharki. One area of weakness is the aft bulkhead behind the stirage bins at the bottom of the mizzen. The bins can easily block up and stay wet or even fill and any weakness in construction or poor repair leads to the 9mm plywood bulkhead eventually rotting. I know because I replaced mine 2 years ago and now clean the drainage holes every visit. Good luck. Mark Porter Sea Hobo Sharki #96
On Wed, 6 Oct 2021, 09:25 Ben Levy, <benjamin.levy@...> wrote: Thank you for all your reply.
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Ben Levy
Thank you for all your reply.
Bill Rouse's pre-purchase consulting package seems like an amazing idea. Unfortunately it seems like he is no longer offering this service for Amel's older than 1988 (please correct me if I'm wrong). Here is a link to a photo album with photos of the maramu. A mixed bag of photos we took during our first visit and the photos provided by the broker. https://photos.app.goo.gl/vRXr1HNfMZGYdULH6 And here is the listing from the broker (in French though): https://www.annoncesbateau.com/bateau/1981-amel-maramu-5016467/ What I could see is the following: the lining inside is coming unglue in places (aesthetic) the gooseneck of the mizzen is coming loose (critical) the varnish near ONE window is pilling off (aesthetic) I was wondering about the bolts for the winch and the stoppers showing up on top of the lining The engine has nearly 7000h and is original Couldn't find much else to complain about but I didn't take everything apart either.. planning on doing that during the next visit (which is now scheduled for Saturday). I also know that in 2000 it went trough an extensive anti-osmosis treatment from a professional company (traitement curatif par pelage du gelcoat ... pealing of the gelcoat?) In 2010, the mast was removed to fix an issue of electrolysis at the bottom of the mast (between the mast and the deck of the boat) The in-mast furling was added in 2004 Fridge replaced in 2003 One blackwater tank added in 2010 That's about all I know at this stage. Cheers, Ben
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Re: Air con circulating pump
Scott SV Tengah
Nick
Did you ever consider using a relay and running the pump off your 24v system? That is assuming it can handle 26-28v. Presumably when you're running AC you're either plugged in, so your chargers are on or if you're running on inverter, it is, if anything, more efficient to run directly off the batteries vs. through the inverter. Just a thought. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Speed sensor rubber cap
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Stephan;
We were on a tight schedule to get to our winter berth. I did re-install the cap under water to protect the sensor. We were getting erratic speed readings afterwards. We will be hauling out next year and will address it then. Did you have an issue with your speed sensor?
Thanks
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo Amel 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Stefan Jeukendrup via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 10:12 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Speed sensor rubber cap
Hi Mohammed,
The function of the cap is to protect the underlying high impedance crystal on which it is glued. That keeps the water and dirt out.
If your Sonicspeed still works first check AGC and resistance, see the manual in the "files" section.
If still ok I would not try to put the cap back. Instead you could try to fill the hole where the cap was with underwater silicone. The "art" is to make good continuous accoustic contact with the exposed crystal.
Hope this helps you,
Stefan Jeukendrup sv Malaka Queen SM2k #348 @ Northern Ireland
Op 26 sep. 2021 07:41 schreef Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Dennis Johns
Hi Ben, The things you should worry about the most are those things that the previous owner(s) changed. An '81 Maramu should be pretty basic Amel and if there were modifications, that's where problems may occur. Without pictures of the boat it's hard to identify changes. Are there pictures or a broker site to look at? Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu #121
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:45 PM Ben Levy <benjamin.levy@...> wrote: Good day lucky Amel owners.
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Larry Salibra
Hi Ben,
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Re: 1981 Maramu pre-survey
Hi Ben
I am sure a few Maramu owners will bring several sugestions here.
Besides that, if I was buying an Amel I would certainly talk to Bill Rouse first.
He will answer all your questions and then some. He will either save some money or steer you away from a headache desguised as a boat.
Hope it helps --Roque Attika A54 117 Paraty - Brazil
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Re: A54 floor boards
Ruslan Osmonov
Thank you Ann-Sofie and Martin, very much appreciated.
Special thank you to Joel, that was very informative and insightful.
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1981 Maramu pre-survey
Ben Levy
Good day lucky Amel owners.
I am about to buy my first Amel, an original maramu from 1981 (hull 98). I am having a 2nd viewing of the boat tomorrow and I was wondering if any maramu owner (or former owner), had any advices regarding critical components to check or any important systems to look at? I will have a professional survey done once I have signed the sell agreement but I will first have to settle on a price. The boat is in really good neck for its age but being 40, there must be some components being ready to give up on life. Anyway, any advices would be most welcome as amel yachts are one of a kind. Cheers, Ben
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Re: A54 floor boards
amelforme
I should have made mention that the Amel Design Team that created the Amel 54 was capably orchestrated and entirely overseen by Amel’s then chairman. Jean Jacques Lemonnier. Jacques Carteau did manage the design details and much of the construction, but would not add his name as the designer. A very modest guy without much of an ego to get in his way.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of amelforme
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 4:58 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 floor boards
Ruslan, good questions all and the answers will tell a bit about how things evolved at Amel. Originally, the SM 53 had plywood floor boards that were covered with a rather thin layer of teak veneer. The “caulking lines” between the “planks” were drawn with an industrial version of the Magic Marker. Near the end of the last century, Captain Amel was fully retired and living in the south of France near Amel’s base in Hyeres. Every year he would make a visit to the shipyard in La Rochelle. As all the managers of the company were enjoying their new found full freedom of operations with Captain Amel out of sight/out of mind, each time he would visit there was more than a little apprehension about how The Captain might react to any evolutions they had made to HIS design. Again, Captain was fully retired and had no legal sway at Amel, as if that would make a difference to this larger-than-life man.
All of us who knew him were familiar with his ‘my way or the highway’ disposition. He was not to be trifled with. What he said was absolute law even when he was ‘retired’. Anyway, shortly after he arrived, he made an announcement that the lifting floor boards in the saloon were henceforth going to be made of fiberglass with a molded in non-skid and a hinge to position them. He then added that they were to be French Blue in color. I was not in France at the time, but my colleagues at the shipyard who were there were in shock. No way they wanted to do this. They knew, however, they had no choice . So, the Blue Floors, as we called them, were introduced as an evolution of the Super Maramu Millennium series. I could relate a few more interesting stories about the French Blue Floors. Maybe another time…
The Amel 54 was the first Amel designed without the assistance of Captain Amel. It was done by a group of Amel people/The Amel Design Team, under the guidance of Jacques Carteau, Captain Amel’s right hand man and, in many respects, his eyes as well. Carteau was the guy who took the Captain’s thoughts and turned them into the design drawings almost since the beginning of Chantiers Amel. It has often been said that the Amel 54 was the last Amel boat that had entirely Captain Amels DNA in it even though he had nothing to do with it. All the department managers had been selected by Henri Amel. Jacques Carteau was the guy who drew and engineered the plans on almost every previous Amel boat. All Captain Amel disciples at the top of their craft. What a team that was to work with! Personally, these were some of the best days of my life.
Without the Captain looking over their shoulders, all involved were free to incorporate what our customers were asking for. Stall showers, a ‘real washer and dryer, every port openable and plenty more of them, an even better and more ergonomic galley and navigation station, a standard centerline queen able to be converted into two snug sea berths ( optionally ) and dozens more improvements and evolutions. However, it was instantly recognizable as an Amel in any harbor.
The Amel 54 floors have a plywood core with a textured non-skid and a faux teak pattern. It is actually a FORMICA Brand marine division product and is very durable with the exception of the strips on the side which often become unglued from the plywood.
The second windlass on the Amel 54 was actually an option from the beginning. All of our demonstration boats, mine included, had dual windlasses so naturally it follows that the customers wanted another windlass too. The slight negative to the second windlass was, that on some boats, the secondary anchor would not get deployed very often. Mechanical things like maintenance and exercise in equal measure. Be sure to aggressively test the second/port side windlass during any survey of a prospective Amel 54.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov
[Edited Message Follows] Quick question if I may, are A54 floor boards made from wood or some faux wood? If wood curious to know why SM2K were done in GRP and later went back to wood panels. On the other hand I see A54s pics with floor boards in a good shape, is there a trick at keeping them "like new"? and one more Regards, (still looking for one)
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Re: A54 floor boards
amelforme
Ruslan, good questions all and the answers will tell a bit about how things evolved at Amel. Originally, the SM 53 had plywood floor boards that were covered with a rather thin layer of teak veneer. The “caulking lines” between the “planks” were drawn with an industrial version of the Magic Marker. Near the end of the last century, Captain Amel was fully retired and living in the south of France near Amel’s base in Hyeres. Every year he would make a visit to the shipyard in La Rochelle. As all the managers of the company were enjoying their new found full freedom of operations with Captain Amel out of sight/out of mind, each time he would visit there was more than a little apprehension about how The Captain might react to any evolutions they had made to HIS design. Again, Captain was fully retired and had no legal sway at Amel, as if that would make a difference to this larger-than-life man.
All of us who knew him were familiar with his ‘my way or the highway’ disposition. He was not to be trifled with. What he said was absolute law even when he was ‘retired’. Anyway, shortly after he arrived, he made an announcement that the lifting floor boards in the saloon were henceforth going to be made of fiberglass with a molded in non-skid and a hinge to position them. He then added that they were to be French Blue in color. I was not in France at the time, but my colleagues at the shipyard who were there were in shock. No way they wanted to do this. They knew, however, they had no choice . So, the Blue Floors, as we called them, were introduced as an evolution of the Super Maramu Millennium series. I could relate a few more interesting stories about the French Blue Floors. Maybe another time…
The Amel 54 was the first Amel designed without the assistance of Captain Amel. It was done by a group of Amel people/The Amel Design Team, under the guidance of Jacques Carteau, Captain Amel’s right hand man and, in many respects, his eyes as well. Carteau was the guy who took the Captain’s thoughts and turned them into the design drawings almost since the beginning of Chantiers Amel. It has often been said that the Amel 54 was the last Amel boat that had entirely Captain Amels DNA in it even though he had nothing to do with it. All the department managers had been selected by Henri Amel. Jacques Carteau was the guy who drew and engineered the plans on almost every previous Amel boat. All Captain Amel disciples at the top of their craft. What a team that was to work with! Personally, these were some of the best days of my life.
Without the Captain looking over their shoulders, all involved were free to incorporate what our customers were asking for. Stall showers, a ‘real washer and dryer, every port openable and plenty more of them, an even better and more ergonomic galley and navigation station, a standard centerline queen able to be converted into two snug sea berths ( optionally ) and dozens more improvements and evolutions. However, it was instantly recognizable as an Amel in any harbor.
The Amel 54 floors have a plywood core with a textured non-skid and a faux teak pattern. It is actually a FORMICA Brand marine division product and is very durable with the exception of the strips on the side which often become unglued from the plywood.
The second windlass on the Amel 54 was actually an option from the beginning. All of our demonstration boats, mine included, had dual windlasses so naturally it follows that the customers wanted another windlass too. The slight negative to the second windlass was, that on some boats, the secondary anchor would not get deployed very often. Mechanical things like maintenance and exercise in equal measure. Be sure to aggressively test the second/port side windlass during any survey of a prospective Amel 54.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 2:11 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 floor boards
[Edited Message Follows] Quick question if I may, are A54 floor boards made from wood or some faux wood? If wood curious to know why SM2K were done in GRP and later went back to wood panels. On the other hand I see A54s pics with floor boards in a good shape, is there a trick at keeping them "like new"? and one more Regards, (still looking for one)
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Re: A54 floor boards
Hi Ruslan,
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Re: A54 floor boards
Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila <ann-sofie@...>
We have all wooden floors on our SM 232, from 1998. There is no particular maintenance on it. We have oiled it once or twice since 2006 when we bought Lady Annila. No trouble with footprints and we wash it with normal floor cleaning liquid and water.
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SM2k also have wooden floor except on the steps on the ”ladder” and the lid to the floor compartments that is made of GRP. Regards Ann-Sofie & Jonas S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998 In Portimão, Portugal
05/10/2021 kl. 20:10 skrev neurolept2 <TC215@...>:
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Re: A54 floor boards
Quick question if I may, are A54 floor boards made from wood or some faux wood? If wood curious to know why SM2K were done in GRP and later went back to wood panels. On the other hand I see A54s pics with floor boards in a good shape, is there a trick at keeping them "like new"?
Regards, (still looking for one)
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of neurolept2 <TC215@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 15:09 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 floor boards I am heading out and will be back this evening some time.
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ruslan Osmonov <rosmonov@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 14:10 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 floor boards Quick question if I may, are A54 floor boards made from wood or some faux wood? If wood curious to know why SM2K were done in GRP and later went back to wood panels. On the other hand I see A54s pics with floor boards in a good shape, is there a trick at keeping them "like new"?
Regards, (still looking for one)
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Re: Climma air conditioning unit
Hi Paul,
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My problem was sea growth in the pipes. Had the local very knowledgeable Caraibe Refrigeration run an acid mixture round the A/C and Refrigeration pipes, took a few hours. Unbelievable difference. Don’t think it has ever been done since 2006. Sorry they couldn’t give me any advice about your fan issue. Good that you got someone local. Where is Fortunate? Best Bazza
On Oct 5, 2021, at 10:05, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
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Re: Climma air conditioning unit
Hi
My fwd and two saloon systems are compact and my aft system is a split system all with independent fans. I have had technical advice from a service technician that inspected the issue and he believes it is a faulty relay. He suggests a new control board or if possible to have the relay replaced. I am hoping to have the faulty relay replaced as a new board is an expensive solution but maybe my only option. thank you for your response regards Paul- Fortuna II Amel 55 #17
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