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QUICK Water Heater

Elaine Leishman
 

We have just removed our Quick water heater from 1999 super Maramu to clean and service it.  Any advice on whether it is stainless steel, it's only slighty magnetic.  It's still the original heater and works perfectly but is very rusty inside.


Re: Older style C-Drive; oil type and temperature

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Bill,

Thank you for your insights on this. I didn't think about engine heat transferring to the C-Drive. I figured it was mostly internal friction of the C-Drive itself, especially with a more viscous oil.

We're now running the thicker 80-90 oil in the older style C-Drive. I don't have a good baseline of C-Drive temperature when running 15w-40 so I'm really not sure if there was a real change or I'm just hypervigilent now. I'll get the temp gun on it next time we're out motoring but around 80C sounds right... I could hold a hand on it for just a few seconds.

Still waiting a response from Amel. Helen and Kosta say the Amel recommendation is 15w-40 for the old style C-Drive. I wonder how much risk I've taken by using 80-90? If anyone else has any data or insight on this please let me know. Thanks again for the help!

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
NZ


On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 9:19 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Mike,

I have always believed that heat in the C-drive is the result of heat transfer from the main engine. The main engine's operating temperature is 80C, and after around an hour of motoring in tropical water, the C-drive would measure close to 80C. 

That said, I assume if the seawater is significantly colder an aluminum C-drive is likely to be cooler than its composite replacement. 

This doesn't answer your question directly, but hopefully gives you more data. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 2:55 PM Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I'm curious if anyone out there still has the old aluminium C-Drive installed in their SuperMaramu?

Is the 80-90 gear oil recommended for both C-Drives (aluminium and cast iron)?

What is the operating temperature range for the C-Drive (how hot should the upper gearbox get while motoring)?

I'm also asking Amel these questions and will respond here with any useful answers I get back. I have a feeling there aren't many aluminium C-Drives still out there...

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
NZ


Re: Older style C-Drive; oil type and temperature

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Helen and Kosta,

Thank you guys for this information. I hope your newly installed drive is serving you well!

Spares are great but carrying an entire C-Drive might be too much, even for a SM 😂

Given your experience with the old and new drives, I may need to send a few more questions your way. Thank again for the help.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
NZ


On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 8:33 AM Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi <helenmi57@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,

We just replaced our aluminum c-drive, this summer. Maud at Amel supplied the complete new drive unit. We still have our old one and are wondering what to do with it. We had serviced the upper part this year as we thought that the new one would not be ready in time, in the event it all worked out.

The upper unit was overheating last year, after losing the oil into the bilge, but that is a long story. 

Amel recommends 15w 40 oil for the aluminum unit.

Best regards,
Helen and Kosta 
SV Meditation SM 29 of 1990
Greece 


On 2 Nov 2021, at 8:55 PM, Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm curious if anyone out there still has the old aluminium C-Drive installed in their SuperMaramu?

Is the 80-90 gear oil recommended for both C-Drives (aluminium and cast iron)?

What is the operating temperature range for the C-Drive (how hot should the upper gearbox get while motoring)?

I'm also asking Amel these questions and will respond here with any useful answers I get back. I have a feeling there aren't many aluminium C-Drives still out there...

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
NZ


Re: Replacement Grp 31 Batteries in the Bow

Bill Kinney
 

Arlo,

we use firefly batteries as our main house batteries and are very happy with the performance and value. Certainly, they would work well in your application, but…  you will be paying a steep premium over flooded batteries for cycle life and partial state of charge performance that will never be used in the bow thruster only application.

They also have some particularities that might need addressing in the existing charging system.  When not being used, they prefer to NOT be connected to a charger in float mode, rather they should just sit. They also have a different charging voltage profile than standard batteries. Lastly, to get maximum performance and life span they need to be charged rather quickly, at 0.2 to 0.5 C. Can your existing charging system handle these needs? 

If the existing type of batteries have worked for you, I expect they will be the most economical choice in both the long and short run.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hilton Head, SC, USA


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

HI,

I just had my boat painted 2 weeks ago with Micron 66.

Micron 66 is manufactured by Interlux and is on their website.

Fair Winds

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

USA

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 3:37 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Antifouling / Bottompaint

 

Just checked on International web site and Micron 66 is "retired". No replacement have been mentioned. It is mentioned on Australia site, not on others. Local dealer in Croatia is saying Trilux 33. That is the one that is on Bonne Anse.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Slavko Despotovic
 

Just checked on International web site and Micron 66 is "retired". No replacement have been mentioned. It is mentioned on Australia site, not on others. Local dealer in Croatia is saying Trilux 33. That is the one that is on Bonne Anse.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Retractable bow thruster replacement

 

Paul, I do not think a late model SM bow thruster will fit. I have not seen a technical drawing for a Sharki Bow Thruster. Ask SAV@....

There is not an Amel graveyard that I am aware of.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 12:33 PM Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Paul,

I have a spare complete bow thruster, motor, and jack.

It is not for sale.

What model Amel do you have and where are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Paul Peschel
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 8:09 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Retractable bow thruster replacement

 

Hello again,

after installing a new propeller sent in from Maud of Amel, our bow thruster worked fine for a few weeks. Somehow unfortunately the fiber-glass cover and a part of the gearbox fall off. I guess there have been some cracks in the plastic ( i saw a little oil dripping and closed it with sikaflex - big mistake and learning! ) and then it was too much force using it again after probably a long time without ( we took over the boat this summer and the previous owner died, so no details on this). I asked Maud, but the part and the mold are not available anymore.

Any idea on how to fix this? Have anybody reworked the lower section before and has suggestions on how to do it?

Many Thanks!

Paul


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

 



I like Micron 66 because it reacts with saltwater to release biocide and is microscopically ablative. I think all of the Micron series is a hard paint that is microscopically ablative, each with different release systems. In the tropics, we needed this sort of protection. 

There is no ablative action with Coppercoat. And in the tropics, people with Coppercoat were cleaning their hulls every month or two.

Everyone needs to be aware that there are the best solutions for different areas. 

Also, the SeaJet 033 that Amel was recently using (I had not heard they switched to Coppercoat) is difficult to find in areas that do not use Europe as the supply chain.

Lastly, I had Micron 66 put on our SM in New Zealand and someone I know had Coppercoat done at the same time. Nine months later when we docked side-by-side in Singapore his hull had about 1" of marine growth on the hull because he had not cleaned it, our SM was perfectly clean.

If you don't mind cleaning your hull Coppercoat might be the best thing for certain cruising areas.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 12:27 PM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

When I bought my boat in 2016, Amel was using Seajet paint which worked ok in the Med but I had to clean it every couple of months and I repainted every winter. I then replaced it with international Micron 350 in 2019.  The Micron I never cleaned during the season because the International support told me to trust the self polishing and any additional cleaning would just reduce the thickness of the paint. The experience with that has been good - I never saw any reduction in speed from a dirty bottom.  One reason could be that I’m now in the Atlantic and the water is colder than in the Med.  interestingly, Amel now installs Copperplate as standard.   I am considering that for next season. There is another thread on that on this forum.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Re: Retractable bow thruster replacement

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Paul,

I have a spare complete bow thruster, motor, and jack.

It is not for sale.

What model Amel do you have and where are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Paul Peschel
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 8:09 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Retractable bow thruster replacement

 

Hello again,

after installing a new propeller sent in from Maud of Amel, our bow thruster worked fine for a few weeks. Somehow unfortunately the fiber-glass cover and a part of the gearbox fall off. I guess there have been some cracks in the plastic ( i saw a little oil dripping and closed it with sikaflex - big mistake and learning! ) and then it was too much force using it again after probably a long time without ( we took over the boat this summer and the previous owner died, so no details on this). I asked Maud, but the part and the mold are not available anymore.

Any idea on how to fix this? Have anybody reworked the lower section before and has suggestions on how to do it?

Many Thanks!

Paul


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Joerg Esdorn
 
Edited

When I bought my boat in 2016, Amel was using Seajet paint which worked ok in the Med but I had to clean it every couple of months and I repainted every winter. I then replaced it with international Micron 350 in 2019.  The Micron I never cleaned during the season because the International support told me to trust the self polishing and any additional cleaning would just reduce the thickness of the paint. The experience with that has been good - I never saw any reduction in speed from a dirty bottom.  One reason could be that I’m now in the Atlantic and the water is colder than in the Med.  interestingly, Amel now installs Coppercoat as standard.   I am considering that for next season. There is another thread on that on this forum.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Re: Retractable bow thruster replacement

Paul Peschel
 

Many Thanks Bill! In which marketplace can you find parts from wrecked Amels? Do you know if there are technical drawings of the parts available to have them replicated?


Mastervolt Mass 24/2500 Inverter

Doug Smith
 

For anyone interested, I have recently replaced my Mastervolt Mass 24/2500 inverter, and installed the Victron Quattro.  The inverter was working fine, but I wanted a larger capability for eventual lithium install.  I am located in the Chesapeake, and wanted to see if there is anyone out there interested in this device.  I actually have 2 of them, one which gives an 'overload' flashing signal and doesn't power up beyond that, and the one that I just pulled out which works fine.  You can have both, if you promise to put them to good use. Importantly, they can not be used in parallel, so you could use the second one, only for spares.  That was my reason for keeping it. 
Shipping not included, but willing to meet within reasonable distances to the Washington DC or Tidewater regions

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113 

White Point Marina, Kinsale VA USA


Re: Santorin helm seat support pipe loose

Craig Briggs
 

Thanks Ian and Bernd ! 
Ian - is there a locking device to stop the swivel?  Can you remove the seat from the insert just by picking it up?
 Also, does your padded seat back slip over the original fiberglass one? Good idea.
--
Craig - SN68 Sangaris


Re: Retractable bow thruster replacement

 

Paul,

Probably none of the other members know that you own Amel Sharki with hull #19. 

I am guessing #19 was made in 1979. I am not sure which Amel retractable bow thrusters will match your Amel.

Maybe the only chance you have is to buy a used bow thruster from a wrecked Amel, or possibly a skilled person can manufacture a new one using the remaining piece of the old one as a mold template.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 7:08 AM Paul Peschel <paul.peschel@...> wrote:

Hello again,

after installing a new propeller sent in from Maud of Amel, our bow thruster worked fine for a few weeks. Somehow unfortunately the fiber-glass cover and a part of the gearbox fall off. I guess there have been some cracks in the plastic ( i saw a little oil dripping and closed it with sikaflex - big mistake and learning! ) and then it was too much force using it again after probably a long time without ( we took over the boat this summer and the previous owner died, so no details on this). I asked Maud, but the part and the mold are not available anymore.

Any idea on how to fix this? Have anybody reworked the lower section before and has suggestions on how to do it?

Many Thanks!

Paul


Retractable bow thruster replacement

Paul Peschel
 

Hello again,

after installing a new propeller sent in from Maud of Amel, our bow thruster worked fine for a few weeks. Somehow unfortunately the fiber-glass cover and a part of the gearbox fall off. I guess there have been some cracks in the plastic ( i saw a little oil dripping and closed it with sikaflex - big mistake and learning! ) and then it was too much force using it again after probably a long time without ( we took over the boat this summer and the previous owner died, so no details on this). I asked Maud, but the part and the mold are not available anymore.

Any idea on how to fix this? Have anybody reworked the lower section before and has suggestions on how to do it?

Many Thanks!

Paul


Re: Santorin helm seat support pipe loose

Ian Park
 

That is correct. I had to tighten mine up 4 years ago. Just make a cut in the engine room foam and you have access to the inside of the fibreglass seat pyramid.
My seat swivels on its pedestal. It sits on a Felton insert on the s/s tube. I don’t know if this was done originally or later.
Finally after making a full length padded seat back last year in the off season I can report it was a significant improvement to sitting at the helm this season. Well worth the small effort!!

Ian
‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96
UK


Re: Valeo 28.5 V 60 A specification and regulator

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Jeremy,
Thank you for your extensive explanation . This helps a lot. 
Did you make a electrical drawing of your setup?
Appreciate to know more about how you change to Lithium and what equipment you changed and added. 

Thanks so far , great help.

Eric
Sv Abayomi
SM 158


Op 3 nov. 2021 om 18:16 heeft Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> het volgende geschreven:



Hi,

I have a Valéo 60A 28V A14N118M alternator on my SM121, and I'm actually doing the Lithium conversion.

This alternator has an integrated "dumb" regulator, but we can easily disconnect it to use an external regulator compatible with Lithium charging. I choose Balmar MC-624 regulator, with the optional "Alternator temperature sensor". I'm very pleased with it. I didn't took the "Battery temperature sensor" option, since my BMS is already monitoring the battery temperatures, and will be in charge of disconnecting loads/charges. The BMS can disconnect properly the alternator with a simple relay on the Ignition wire of the regulator.

To protect the alternator against unexpected disconnections from the batteries, which would damage it, I added the Sterling Alternator protector (very simple to connect : one wire on the B+, the other one on the B- ).

If you go with Balmar regulator, here are the wiring instructions. You will have to open the integrated regulator on the Valeo. You should have a yellow and a blue wire :

  • Splice the yellow wire and connect it to the B- of the alternator,
  • Splice the blue wire and take it to the Balmar regulator blue field wire.

The orange wire on the Balmar is not used.

For the rest, the Balmar documentation and the Sterling Alternator protector documentation are very explanatory.

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Hope this helps you !

Jérémy
SM#121

Le 01/11/2021 à 09:51, EricOpdeweegh a écrit :


    
Hi Amelians,

We have become the proud owner of sv Abayomi (ex Nathape) since June this year and have sailed her back to Holland from Gaeta in Italy to be able to prepare her in the coming 1.5 year for our circumnavigation marked on the Calendar to commence in July 2023
We are now starting to look into the conversion from Gel to LiFePo4 
As we understand the Alternator of our Volvo TMD22A needs protection.

But first we would like to understand how the present situation is regulated. We have the support of a marine electrician who will draw up and assit with the conversion as we are beginners in the world of electrons

Can anyone assist us and tell us what the specifications of our Valeo ZV3729H alternator are and how the current system works? How is the temperature is regulated? Is there a regulator at the moment?

Thanks for the replies

Eric & Els Opdeweegh
sv Abayomi 
SM 158
Currently in Holland

  


Re: Valeo 28.5 V 60 A specification and regulator

Jérémy
 

Hi,

I have a Valéo 60A 28V A14N118M alternator on my SM121, and I'm actually doing the Lithium conversion.

This alternator has an integrated "dumb" regulator, but we can easily disconnect it to use an external regulator compatible with Lithium charging. I choose Balmar MC-624 regulator, with the optional "Alternator temperature sensor". I'm very pleased with it. I didn't took the "Battery temperature sensor" option, since my BMS is already monitoring the battery temperatures, and will be in charge of disconnecting loads/charges. The BMS can disconnect properly the alternator with a simple relay on the Ignition wire of the regulator.

To protect the alternator against unexpected disconnections from the batteries, which would damage it, I added the Sterling Alternator protector (very simple to connect : one wire on the B+, the other one on the B- ).

If you go with Balmar regulator, here are the wiring instructions. You will have to open the integrated regulator on the Valeo. You should have a yellow and a blue wire :

  • Splice the yellow wire and connect it to the B- of the alternator,
  • Splice the blue wire and take it to the Balmar regulator blue field wire.

The orange wire on the Balmar is not used.

For the rest, the Balmar documentation and the Sterling Alternator protector documentation are very explanatory.

Hope this helps you !

Jérémy
SM#121

Le 01/11/2021 à 09:51, EricOpdeweegh a écrit :


    
Hi Amelians,

We have become the proud owner of sv Abayomi (ex Nathape) since June this year and have sailed her back to Holland from Gaeta in Italy to be able to prepare her in the coming 1.5 year for our circumnavigation marked on the Calendar to commence in July 2023
We are now starting to look into the conversion from Gel to LiFePo4 
As we understand the Alternator of our Volvo TMD22A needs protection.

But first we would like to understand how the present situation is regulated. We have the support of a marine electrician who will draw up and assit with the conversion as we are beginners in the world of electrons

Can anyone assist us and tell us what the specifications of our Valeo ZV3729H alternator are and how the current system works? How is the temperature is regulated? Is there a regulator at the moment?

Thanks for the replies

Eric & Els Opdeweegh
sv Abayomi 
SM 158
Currently in Holland

  


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Bruno COTTE
 

Sea jet 38 or 39?

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 3 nov. 2021 à 18:04, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> a écrit :

He Bernd

We do all 2 yaers with see Jet
in Greece

Berst Elja
SM Balu

Von meinem iPhone gesendet





Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...>
 

He Bernd

We do all 2 yaers with see Jet
in Greece

Berst Elja
SM Balu

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

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