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SM faucet

Roger Mehan
 

Hello all, does any one know if the head sink faucet is available, or a suitable alternative?


Roger
SV Surreal SM204


Re: Dehumidifier Drain Outlet

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Scott,
My dehumidifier is specified at about 12L per day too, but it never produces that much water unless we are creating some major humidity with the clothes dryer. In reality it produces about 2 litres per day while we are living on board, and no doubt less when the boat is unoccupied. Regardless, it still needs the bilge pump to operate.

That's unfortunate about your bilge pump switch, and I can see how being on the port tack would delay the alarm sensor. Not sure I want two bilge pumps, but maybe a second alarm sensor on the STBD side of the bilge would be warranted.
I replaced my switch this year (11 years old) because the terminals were a bit corroded and one of them broke when I was disconnecting it for cleaning.  The switch was easy to source and it wasn't too difficult to fabricate an extender on the toggle. It has worked reliably since July, but past performance is no indication of future performance as you know !!

That's a nice way way to keep your LFP's happy.  Thankfully I don't have that problem with my hybrid battery system. I've set my LFP's to 65% SOC and switched them off completely. The 24V system is now floating at 27.4V on my AGM's. only. My LFP's are happy and my AGM's are happy.

The debate in my mind is now about whether to turn on my MPPT over winter as a backup in the event that my MP-3000 fails.

Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154


 


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

rossirossix4
 

I'm not that optimistic but I'd love to see if Salt-A-Way solution has any impact on disolving chunks.  We use a solution when we rinse generator, engine, AC, toilet feed pumps, anchor wash, etc. and sometimes flush it down the toilets.

I've posted this elsewhere, but for anyone wanting to flush with fresh water but (like most of us when not docked) AND wanting to preserve fresh water.....We keep a plastic 8" diameter plastic mixing bowl in each head sink.  We use the kind of kitchen bowl that has the urethane soft bottom.  It catches the water when we wash hands or face.  We empty it down the head after a thorough salt water flush.  The water usually has some liquid soap in it as well.  As a result the toilet hoses are filled with a fair amount (or total, depending) of fresh soapy water.  Bonus--you can do the same to prevent mouthfuls of toothbrushing rinse and--if you shave--hair, from coating the hoses to the bilge and ending up in the bilge sump. (or if you are accurate just spit it out into the toilet). There have been a number of postings wondering about bilge sump smell even though kitchen sink waste is carefully controlled--we noticed a significant decline when doing this.

Bob       KAIMI SM429


RAL Codes Amel 55 #solution

Joan Blaas
 

Hello,

Does anyone know the RAL codes of the Amel 55? I have some small gelcoat repairs.

Thanks so much!

Joan Blaas
A55-05 Caconano
Martinique


Re: Dehumidifier Drain Outlet

Scott SV Tengah
 

Dean,

I've run a 12L/day dehumidifier both times we have left the boat and I let it drain into the sink. You are right that it's a risk if the bilge pump or switch fails when you're away but we mitigated that by having a boat watcher check the engine room once a week. Your remote monitoring solution works, too.

Your hypothetical fear became my reality when my 12 year old bilge pump switch died without warning. Sure, I probably should have replaced it prior due to age, but it's not exactly an off the shelf product. This caused some relatively serious problems on a long upwind port tack passage, so I think it's best to install two pumps. My secondary alarm, mounted in the Amel standard position next to the AC pump, did not sound because it was elevated due to being on port tack.

Luckily I was aboard, so the damage was limited. Just as important, I think you should have two switches mounted in the gray water bilge. This is what I'm going to do.

As an aside, I don't plug in, but rather set the inverters (through the BMV-712 programmable relay and the inverter's remote on/off input) to run my dehumidifier between 60-100% SOC. This keeps the batteries happy.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Climma Heat

Alexey Mateosyan
 

thank you, Stefan, that's very helpful, I will try to find out what is the type of the klixon thermostat. 
--
Best regards,
Aleksei @ Aletes SM2K#240


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean
Thanks, all fine here... 
Engine and Gen I keep some deluted Antifreece in it after water flushing.

Maybe vinigar is also good for Engine and Gen. I never found an appropriate fluid/chemistry for it, 
and all the descaler seemed to aggressively in my mind.
Maybe I should not worry?

Can’t find barnacle booster in Europe for a reasonable price and quantity. 
I think heat-exchange service is due from time to time anyhow.;-)

Cheers 
Ruedi

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 09.11.2021 um 01:08 schrieb Dean Gillies <stella@...>:

Hi Ruedi,
Thanks for that.  Flushing the fridge/aircon with product is much easier than running it through the motor/generator due to water flow volumes.  Do you think this is not needed so much with the engines?

Hope your travels are going well. Wasabi looks splendid.
Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Scott,

It's coming up to two years now.
The hull was relatively clean last time I looked at it in May, only a small amount of soft weed fouling.
I guess it was the same when the divers did it, nobody said anything.
The barnacle epidemic that Danny refers to, we suffered from too. At that time we had Micron 66.
There were a lot of boats in the North of New Zealand at the time that had that issue.
I'm sure it had to do with water temperature and that season because it hasn't happened again since.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Dehumidifier Drain Outlet

Dean Gillies
 

Vladan,
Nice. I'm keen to hear how that one works out.

I already have a reliable unit onboard, but it does need to drain the water.
It's also great for using in the forward shower area when the clothes dryer is in use as it creates a lot of moisture, which is removed almost immediately by the dehumidifier.

Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154
 


Re: Dehumidifier Drain Outlet

Vladan SV PAME
 

Hi Dean,

I bought this dehumidifier and waiting to be delivered. https://ecor-pro.com/product/dh1200-dryfan-12-litre-stainless-steel-desiccant-dehumidifier/

No need for drain outlet but need exhaust outlet (vent). I'm planning to install unit in cockpit locker and to make exhaust under mizzen mast, just above fresh air intake for Webasto.
I think but not sure until I try, as temporary installation kitchen exhaust hose can be used.

Best Regards,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Slavko.

20 litres

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 November 2021 at 05:29 Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Next spring it will be first time I will do AF on my Amel. What is quantity I would need to order? I checked with Trilux 33 that requires 3 layers and will need 14 litre of AF . It was calculated on supplier site. I would be grateful for some first hand data regarding how many litres I need.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

 

Mark,

My exact experience with white vinegar and I let the chunks soak for 6 months...still nothing.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:59 AM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Dean,
 
While I am usually an advocate of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it camp" I will advise you to preventatively address at least one of your heads if at all possible.  Either by treating it to reduce scale or by just replacing the hoses outright.  I say this because I had one head clog up within a few weeks of moving aboard full time earlier this year.  Changing out the hoses out when they are filled with shit-water is just about one of the worst jobs I have ever done on a boat.  Certainly the "shittiest."  Taking the hint, I pre-emptively replaced the hoses on the other head soon thereafter.  Here is what the cross-section of hose looked like on the head that I changed out BEFORE it stopped working:



The 38mm ID hose had a true ID of maybe 20mm.  And yes, that is a tampon shoved up inside the hose.  The hose was so stiff from all the calcification that I had to cut the hose into several sections in order to remove it.  Tampon did a great job absorbing the residual bleach water that was in the hose.

For fun, I knocked some of the "chunks" out and dropped them into some cups of regular white vinegar, some "industrial strength" white vinegar, and several different dilutions of 85% Food Grade Phosphoric Acid that I have onboard.  Phosphoric Acid is the active and main ingredient in products like Barnacle Buster/Sew Clean.  It's also an ingredient in many soft drinks like Coke. The vinegars had no effect on the calcium whatsoever.    The Phosphoric Acid dissolved the scale when diluted with water as much as 7:1, albeit slowly.  A 5:1 dissolved large chunks quickly.

Hope this helps!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Antifouling / Bottompaint

 

SM will be 20 liters with 3 coats at the waterline and front-facing surfaces, two coats everywhere else.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:32 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

I used 5 gallons or around 19 liters for my A54. Three coats at waterline and front facing surfaces, two coats everywhere else.

 

From: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...>
Reply-To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 8, 2021 at 5:29 PM
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Antifouling / Bottompaint

 

Next spring it will be first time I will do AF on my Amel. What is quantity I would need to order? I checked with Trilux 33 that requires 3 layers and will need 14 litre of AF . It was calculated on supplier site. I would be grateful for some first hand data regarding how many litres I need.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Ruedi,
Thanks for that.  Flushing the fridge/aircon with product is much easier than running it through the motor/generator due to water flow volumes.  Do you think this is not needed so much with the engines?

Hope your travels are going well. Wasabi looks splendid.
Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

Dean Gillies
 

Mark,
Don't I know that job from a previous boat, so I hear you loud and clear!

Luckily Stella is all freshwater flushing.  I had occasion to be servicing the heads (joker valves and macerators) earlier this year and I had a look at the hoses. There was some build up but nothing like I have seen with salt-water systems. I gave them a ream-out regardless with some rigging wire, modified at the end to look like a "brush".  Also, they are still flexible along their length. 

I was really happy with the easy access to tanks and pipes that the Amel design affords. On other boats I've had to cut through fibreglass to get at things! 

Good to know that the phosphoric acid products work on those lumpy bits.

Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA 
A54-154


Dehumidifier Drain Outlet

Dean Gillies
 

I have always run a dehumidifier on my boats for all the usual reasons.
Since I bought Stella, I have always wintered her out of the water. I've removed the depth-sounder transducer and drained the dehumidifier to the outside. Easy.

This year, she is wintering in the water. This presents an interesting dilemna regarding where to drain the dehumidifier.

I could send it down the sink where it ends up in the bilge as standing water waiting for the bilge pump to trigger and hopefully evacuate most of it.  I don't like leaving water in the engine room when the boat is not being used and a failure of the bilge pump could end up with a few hundred litres of water in the engine room. Not ideal! I could hook up my bilge alarm to my Victron Cerbo system which could then send me an email allowing me to contact the marina staff to intervene.

I could easily send it into the freshwater tank where a few hundred litres over the winter would not make that much of a dent.  That would mean leaving empty space in the freshwater tank, which I usually avoid when wintering to minimise the potential for bacteria to develop in the tank space.

Any other clever ideas out there? (other than don't run a dehumidifier!) 

Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154




Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean

 

I used to use just freshwater but I found out that the tubes getting barnacles and other growth in it due to the constant flow of Saltwater from the fridge pump.

Since 2 year I buy just about 10lt of normal household (cleaning) vinegar. Very cheap about .70 cents per liter at grocery (Mercadona). It is not aggressive and helps to clean out the tubes.

 

I fill up the Aircon and Fridge lines and let it work over night. After that I flush out everything with fresh-water from the shore and let it in over winter.

There is quite a lot of lime(calc)-dirt coming out with the vinegar. Sometimes I add a bit off antifreeze which is corroding protective as Nick mentioned.

 

Best regards and good preparation

Ruedi

WASABI A54-#55

 

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> im Auftrag von Dean Gillies <stella@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Montag, 8. November 2021 um 15:42
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Descaling the Seawater Lines

 

Hi all,
I'm preparing Stella for in-water wintering in southern Spain and will be filling all seawater lines with freshwater as I've always done in the past for non-freezing winterisation.  

I'm wondering about the wisdom of treating the seawater lines with some kind of de-scaling treatment. I've previously cleaned my ONAN heat exchanger with dilute Hydrochloric Acid (Muriatic Acid) but that seems a bit over the top to flush right through the seawater systems. I know some folks like barnacle buster and such-like.  I don't have any symptoms of poor water flow anywhere, so my gut feel says "if it ain't broke ...".  Am I missing something?

Cheers
Dean
SV STELLA
A54-154
   


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

Mark McGovern
 

Nick,

The hose in the above picture lived most of it's life flushing salt water.  I converted the boat to fresh water flush in 2018 about a year after buying the boat.  It has been flushed exclusively with fresh water since that time.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

Nick Newington
 

Hi Mark,
As a matter of interest are you using sea water or fresh water for the flush?
Kind regards
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
Leros
AML 54-019


On 8 Nov 2021, at 18:59, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Dean,
 
While I am usually an advocate of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it camp" I will advise you to preventatively address at least one of your heads if at all possible.  Either by treating it to reduce scale or by just replacing the hoses outright.  I say this because I had one head clog up within a few weeks of moving aboard full time earlier this year.  Changing out the hoses out when they are filled with shit-water is just about one of the worst jobs I have ever done on a boat.  Certainly the "shittiest."  Taking the hint, I pre-emptively replaced the hoses on the other head soon thereafter.  Here is what the cross-section of hose looked like on the head that I changed out BEFORE it stopped working:

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The 38mm ID hose had a true ID of maybe 20mm.  And yes, that is a tampon shoved up inside the hose.  The hose was so stiff from all the calcification that I had to cut the hose into several sections in order to remove it.  Tampon did a great job absorbing the residual bleach water that was in the hose.

For fun, I knocked some of the "chunks" out and dropped them into some cups of regular white vinegar, some "industrial strength" white vinegar, and several different dilutions of 85% Food Grade Phosphoric Acid that I have onboard.  Phosphoric Acid is the active and main ingredient in products like Barnacle Buster/Sew Clean.  It's also an ingredient in many soft drinks like Coke. The vinegars had no effect on the calcium whatsoever.    The Phosphoric Acid dissolved the scale when diluted with water as much as 7:1, albeit slowly.  A 5:1 dissolved large chunks quickly.

Hope this helps!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Descaling the Seawater Lines

Mark McGovern
 

Dean,
 
While I am usually an advocate of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it camp" I will advise you to preventatively address at least one of your heads if at all possible.  Either by treating it to reduce scale or by just replacing the hoses outright.  I say this because I had one head clog up within a few weeks of moving aboard full time earlier this year.  Changing out the hoses out when they are filled with shit-water is just about one of the worst jobs I have ever done on a boat.  Certainly the "shittiest."  Taking the hint, I pre-emptively replaced the hoses on the other head soon thereafter.  Here is what the cross-section of hose looked like on the head that I changed out BEFORE it stopped working:



The 38mm ID hose had a true ID of maybe 20mm.  And yes, that is a tampon shoved up inside the hose.  The hose was so stiff from all the calcification that I had to cut the hose into several sections in order to remove it.  Tampon did a great job absorbing the residual bleach water that was in the hose.

For fun, I knocked some of the "chunks" out and dropped them into some cups of regular white vinegar, some "industrial strength" white vinegar, and several different dilutions of 85% Food Grade Phosphoric Acid that I have onboard.  Phosphoric Acid is the active and main ingredient in products like Barnacle Buster/Sew Clean.  It's also an ingredient in many soft drinks like Coke. The vinegars had no effect on the calcium whatsoever.    The Phosphoric Acid dissolved the scale when diluted with water as much as 7:1, albeit slowly.  A 5:1 dissolved large chunks quickly.

Hope this helps!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA

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