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Serafine is sold

Hajo Hille
 

Dear Amel Yacht Owners,

 for your information:

 After 11 years of sailing with our Super Maramu “Serafine” we sold her. Now she is on the way under a new name to new adventures.

 I want to say Thank You to all members of this group, while they stood for help and advice, whenever we had a technical problem with our yacht. This forum is matchless !

 Especially I like to thank Bill Rouse, whom I was lucky enough to meet in Turkey, while we were moored in the same bay. He gave me the first lessons in repairing and maintaining my Super Marmu after I had destroyed my bowthruster. Kind regards to Judy, too.

 

 For 2022 we wish you all the best, fair winds and a hands breadth of water under the keel.

Stay healthy !

 

Hajo und Julia

SM 150 Serafine

 

 


Re: Rudder Packing—again

James Alton
 

Bill,
   I like your solution using the PTFE Dripless packing on the rudder shaft and suspect it will solve your leakage and repacking problem.  I had a customer with a twin screw  Gulfstar who amazingly made a circumnavigation without ever tightening either packing gland on the prop shafts.  Both glands were dripping slightly after the trip but it was not enough for him to worry with apparently.  Both glands were packed with the Teflon impregnated packing with the he Dripless Packing additive.  I have a package of the Dripless additive aboard and will be adding it to the rudder and propellor shaft log at some point but have been getting excellent service with just the PTFE packing and the Amel installed grease gland so not a priority project.   Best,. James Alton,. SV Sueno, Maramu #220


On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 8:16 AM, Bill Kinney
<cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
This is my update to a former thread on rudder packing for the Super Maramu.

When we needed to replace ours we used standard 3/8” packing, which is a tiny bit smaller than the 10mm size this system was designed for.  As many others have found, installing the packing in the stuffing box is very difficult. The stuffing box is designed to use three rings of packing. The issue I (and many of you!) ran into was the height of three rings was so high that it was impossible to engage enough threads of the plastic nut to tighten it without stripping out the threads.  

I pounded on the packing with a pipe and a 5 pound sledge.  I lubricated it.  I pushed and prodded every what I could thing of, but no love.

Finally in desperation, I took out the top ring of packing and tightened down the nut on the remaining two.  This “kind of” worked.  But no matter how much I tightened the nut it still dripped.  Very slowly, but more than zero.  Another solution was called for.

I resorted to a product I have had good luck with on propeller shafts. A  PTFE putty sold by Western Pacific Trading as “Drip-Less Packing.” Western Pacific Trading is the largest supplier of all forms of packing for small marine shafts in the USA, and is sold through most chandleries. This was the first time I tried their Drip-Less packing on a rudder shaft with its very low speed rotation. The smallest package size is plenty of material for this application.

You install one ring of standard packing at the bottom, pack in some of the moldable packing which comes as a stiff, green putty, and then install a second ring of standard packing on top.  The standard packing rings are there to just hold the putty in place, the putty does the sealing.  Since I had control over how much I added, I could reduce the thickness a bit, and have enough room to engage threads on the nut.

As I expected, it took a couple of times sailing, and re-tightening the nut to fully compress the packing and stop all water intrusion.  But now it seems perfect. That area around the rudder shaft is, as it should be, bone dry.  If my experience using this material on propeller shafts is any indication, it should be very close to a permanent solution.

I believe some people have reported success going down to 5/16 inch packing, then tightening the nut to squash it enough to seal.  I haven’t tried this myself. I was reluctant because if I needed to remove ALL the packing to redo the install, I didn’t want to have to haul the boat, or deal with that amount of water influx. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Rudder Packing—again

william reynolds
 

Francoise at Amel in Martinique has a great solution. He has designed an extension of the shaft tube which is epoxied and screwed in place. I now can insert 5 -3/8's  packing strips and 6 if I press down hard. I use a 2" sch. 80 PVC pipe to set the packing and don't drive them in too forcefully. I use the gland nut to apply the pressure to stop all leaks. 10m months, lots of bashing and no leaks.
Bill 
Cloudstreet


Re: Why not a Yanmar Engine?

Alan Leslie
 

Eric, I agree.....non-electronic is the way to go.
Nearly all the engine issues on this forum are with Volvo engines with electronic control.
A "normal" old fashioned diesel engine is much easier to keep running and problem solve.
They are simple, mechanical devices and diesel mechanics all over the world understand them.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Rudder Packing—again

Alan Leslie
 

Interesting Bill,

I had this issue some years ago...couldn't get all three rings of packing in and thread the nut.
I put in 2 and it leaked, so I put in a turn of 8mm cord and tightened the nut to stop it leaking. We sailed for a while (actually about 3 months), then finally on haul out, took out the piece of cord and managed to get the third ring in, with some pounding, and it hasn't leaked in 7 years, with no adjustment of the nut needed - yet.
The rudder gland is normally above the waterline, unless the boat is overloaded at the stern, water ingress shouldn't be a major problem.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Rudder Packing—again

Bill Kinney
 

This is my update to a former thread on rudder packing for the Super Maramu.

When we needed to replace ours we used standard 3/8” packing, which is a tiny bit smaller than the 10mm size this system was designed for.  As many others have found, installing the packing in the stuffing box is very difficult. The stuffing box is designed to use three rings of packing. The issue I (and many of you!) ran into was the height of three rings was so high that it was impossible to engage enough threads of the plastic nut to tighten it without stripping out the threads.  

I pounded on the packing with a pipe and a 5 pound sledge.  I lubricated it.  I pushed and prodded every what I could thing of, but no love.

Finally in desperation, I took out the top ring of packing and tightened down the nut on the remaining two.  This “kind of” worked.  But no matter how much I tightened the nut it still dripped.  Very slowly, but more than zero.  Another solution was called for.

I resorted to a product I have had good luck with on propeller shafts. A  PTFE putty sold by Western Pacific Trading as “Drip-Less Packing.” Western Pacific Trading is the largest supplier of all forms of packing for small marine shafts in the USA, and is sold through most chandleries. This was the first time I tried their Drip-Less packing on a rudder shaft with its very low speed rotation. The smallest package size is plenty of material for this application.

You install one ring of standard packing at the bottom, pack in some of the moldable packing which comes as a stiff, green putty, and then install a second ring of standard packing on top.  The standard packing rings are there to just hold the putty in place, the putty does the sealing.  Since I had control over how much I added, I could reduce the thickness a bit, and have enough room to engage threads on the nut.

As I expected, it took a couple of times sailing, and re-tightening the nut to fully compress the packing and stop all water intrusion.  But now it seems perfect. That area around the rudder shaft is, as it should be, bone dry.  If my experience using this material on propeller shafts is any indication, it should be very close to a permanent solution.

I believe some people have reported success going down to 5/16 inch packing, then tightening the nut to squash it enough to seal.  I haven’t tried this myself. I was reluctant because if I needed to remove ALL the packing to redo the install, I didn’t want to have to haul the boat, or deal with that amount of water influx. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Why not a Yanmar Engine?

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi James,

I had extremely good luck with my Yanmar 4jh3hte engine . With over 7500 hours I decided I did not want to change it to an electronic engine

I did not have one problem with old the engine..

 

 

I went to the local dealer and asked what the cost was to rebuild my engine. He said why not just put a new one in. I said I don’t want an electronic engine. He said you could install a NON ELECTRONIC 4jh4hte or 4jh4hte-1 engine. I believe the -1 is EU approve. If you don’t want 110 Hp the 4jh4 without the intercooler is 85 hp.

 

It is a marine engine and not a marinized tractor engine.

 

It went in very easily with a brand-new transmission. I now have over 400 hours on it, and it is working like a champ.

Happy Holidays

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of James Rainsbury
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New Engine

 

Dear Amelians,

Season’s Greetings!
For various reasons, we’re considering re powering our recently purchased boat - we’ve had quotes for repair of the old Volvo Penta but there’s not much in it vs a new engine. Ideally, we’d have gone with a Betamarine but the lead time on that if ordered now is July (!). We have a year career break, starting in July, and I can foresee that date slipping if we wait for a Beta, and eating into our year off. So we’re looking at other options - a new Volvo or a Yanmar in particular (although would consider alternatives). Any thoughts on which engine from the group?

Thanks v much
James

Folie a Deux
SM #239
Southampton UK


Re: Shenanigans

Patrick McAneny
 

Laura, We we’re glad we had a chance to stop by and say Hi! We are now anchored at the south end of Key Biscayne and leaving early in the morning for Eleuthera. Thanks again for your offer of help.Maybe we will see you over there.
Pat and Diane,
SM Shenanigans


Re: New Engine

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yes Miles, I agree about the mileage
All the best to you and yours
Danny

On 26/12/2021 07:24 Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,


I have also had a good experience with the D2 75 over the last 6 years.  I would add that in addition to having considerably more torque than the TMD 22, it does it while getting much better mileage. 


Regards,


Miles


SM216  Ladybug


Re: New Engine

Miles
 

Hi Danny,

 

I have also had a good experience with the D2 75 over the last 6 years.  I would add that in addition to having considerably more torque than the TMD 22, it does it while getting much better mileage. 

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

SM216  Ladybug


Re: Christmas wishes

Courtney Gorman
 

Merry Christmas 🎄 
Cheers 🥂 to all you good pirates 🏴‍☠️ 


On Dec 25, 2021, at 5:37 AM, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Not to pile on but what a great group of folks. So thankful for this forum and the endless outpouring of wisdom and sage advice!  

A most Merry Christmas and hopefully a borderless 2022!  



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
Southport, Queensland Australia 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 25, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Danny,

Back at you!  I am thankful to have this forum and the collective wisdom and experience of the extended Amel owners family.  Best to you and all in 2022.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
West Palm Beach, FL USA


Re: New Engine

Matt Salatino
 

Spelling, Bill…. Kubota….
even our tractor engine, and Onan genset are Kubotas….


Re: Christmas wishes

Porter McRoberts
 

Not to pile on but what a great group of folks. So thankful for this forum and the endless outpouring of wisdom and sage advice!  

A most Merry Christmas and hopefully a borderless 2022!  



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
Southport, Queensland Australia 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 25, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Danny,

Back at you!  I am thankful to have this forum and the collective wisdom and experience of the extended Amel owners family.  Best to you and all in 2022.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
West Palm Beach, FL USA


Re: Christmas wishes

Mark McGovern
 

Danny,

Back at you!  I am thankful to have this forum and the collective wisdom and experience of the extended Amel owners family.  Best to you and all in 2022.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
West Palm Beach, FL USA


Re: New Engine

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks for your comments Trevor. I stripped all the ancillary parts off the old engine and left the rest with the Volvo dealer.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean pearl

On 25/12/2021 08:18 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:


James,
           Check  with several of your local area Volvo dealers if there is a trade in value for your old  Volvo engine. The Irish Volvo dealer was using this as a ruse to justify substantial discounting of smaller Volvo engines in spring of this year.

If I had a choice it would be BETA all the way because it is Kubota, it's simple, strong and reliable, parts easily sourced,  what else would you want?
It also comes with a five year self service warranty. I have come across boats with thousands of hours on Betas and no problems.

My first choice for the past thirty years has always been Yanmar.

The only engine ever to give me trouble was Volvo - BUT - Danny's words can't be argued with, I have read dozens of his posts over the years on mechanical issues and he is always right on the money.

He is bang on about the ease of installation, which on a SM will save you a fortune. My wife and I replaced our gearbox at sea off the coast of Mexico and it was straightforward.

Good luck.

Trevor Lusty
Ireland


Re: New Engine

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again re Volvo D 2 75. I mentioned the turbo carboning up. It did not affect it until the 7th year so not a big issue. I removed the turbo. Separated the inlet from the exhaust side. Soaked the carboned exhaust side in spirits of salts for 36 hours. Blasted it with the water blaster. Clean. reassembled. Going well. And will do for the next 7 years I guess
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 25/12/2021 07:23 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:


Hi James, we repowered about 6 or 7 years ago with the Volvo D 2 75. Apart from turbo carboning it has been trouble free. It is noticeably lighter, the stern floats higher and it has considerably more torque than the TMD 22. Even with the propeller encrusted with barnacles it makes the designed under load 3000 rpm. It has about 1400 hours up now. Interestingly it is a pushrod engine, no overhead cam shaft and associated belt issues and it has a lower profile because of that. Not an issue in our vast engine room. Fitting it was a breeze. The engine mount holes are identically placed so we just had to make spacers to level to engine. The gearbox bolted straight on. These points helped keep the install cost down. I can see no reason to regret our choice.
regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl 
On 24/12/2021 23:19 James Rainsbury <james.rainsbury@...> wrote:


Dear Amelians,

Season’s Greetings!
For various reasons, we’re considering re powering our recently purchased boat - we’ve had quotes for repair of the old Volvo Penta but there’s not much in it vs a new engine. Ideally, we’d have gone with a Betamarine but the lead time on that if ordered now is July (!). We have a year career break, starting in July, and I can foresee that date slipping if we wait for a Beta, and eating into our year off. So we’re looking at other options - a new Volvo or a Yanmar in particular (although would consider alternatives). Any thoughts on which engine from the group?

Thanks v much
James

Folie a Deux
SM #239
Southampton UK


Re: New Engine

Trevor Lusty
 

James,
           Check  with several of your local area Volvo dealers if there is a trade in value for your old  Volvo engine. The Irish Volvo dealer was using this as a ruse to justify substantial discounting of smaller Volvo engines in spring of this year.

If I had a choice it would be BETA all the way because it is Kubota, it's simple, strong and reliable, parts easily sourced,  what else would you want?
It also comes with a five year self service warranty. I have come across boats with thousands of hours on Betas and no problems.

My first choice for the past thirty years has always been Yanmar.

The only engine ever to give me trouble was Volvo - BUT - Danny's words can't be argued with, I have read dozens of his posts over the years on mechanical issues and he is always right on the money.

He is bang on about the ease of installation, which on a SM will save you a fortune. My wife and I replaced our gearbox at sea off the coast of Mexico and it was straightforward.

Good luck.

Trevor Lusty
Ireland


Re: New Engine

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi James, we repowered about 6 or 7 years ago with the Volvo D 2 75. Apart from turbo carboning it has been trouble free. It is noticeably lighter, the stern floats higher and it has considerably more torque than the TMD 22. Even with the propeller encrusted with barnacles it makes the designed under load 3000 rpm. It has about 1400 hours up now. Interestingly it is a pushrod engine, no overhead cam shaft and associated belt issues and it has a lower profile because of that. Not an issue in our vast engine room. Fitting it was a breeze. The engine mount holes are identically placed so we just had to make spacers to level to engine. The gearbox bolted straight on. These points helped keep the install cost down. I can see no reason to regret our choice.
regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl 

On 24/12/2021 23:19 James Rainsbury <james.rainsbury@...> wrote:


Dear Amelians,

Season’s Greetings!
For various reasons, we’re considering re powering our recently purchased boat - we’ve had quotes for repair of the old Volvo Penta but there’s not much in it vs a new engine. Ideally, we’d have gone with a Betamarine but the lead time on that if ordered now is July (!). We have a year career break, starting in July, and I can foresee that date slipping if we wait for a Beta, and eating into our year off. So we’re looking at other options - a new Volvo or a Yanmar in particular (although would consider alternatives). Any thoughts on which engine from the group?

Thanks v much
James

Folie a Deux
SM #239
Southampton UK


Re: New Engine

Dirk Hazenoot Maramu Huli 171
 

James,

Today we picked up our new Beta60 from betamarine Netherland.  The owner said that he always has a number of motorcycles in stock.  maybe he can help you further.  his name is Eric Kuijkhoven his phone number is +31630186370 and email betamarine@...


Christmas wishes

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, I want to wish everyone of you all the very best for Christmas and the New Year. We can only hope that the world settles and we can get on with cruising unimpeded. But if not we will continue to enjoy the great relationships of this forum.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
Mangonui New Zealand

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