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Genoa car control wheel

Thomas Kleman
 

On SM 422 (SV L’ORIENT), Ive replaced both genoa car control wheels as they corroded and fractured. This job was complicated by the fact that they were aluminum and in contact with the stainless steel rod mounting, and held in place by stainless steel screws. The corrosion was such that cutting tools were required just to get it off the mounting. I got my replacement wheels from Amel but Im concerned about this dissimilar metal issue. Im hoping someone has a creative solution.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
Society Islands


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Bertrand Quénot
 

Warm thank you to everyone for your contributions.
Thanks Eric for your guidance.
Thanks Bill for the clear and helpful abstract of your Amel book
I now have 220V from the dock on board and with the jumper a flexible solution that I can use again where needed.

Le 7 janv. 2022 à 19:38, Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> a écrit :

Hi Bertrand.
Just take your 16 amp female plug and add a piece of what we would call 12 gauge twisted wire to the plug, Basically get a wire cable that has wires equal to or bigger that what you currently have. You can usually get a black rubber coated 3 wire cable at an electrical supply or a good hardware store. Make sure it is stranded wire, it does not have to be marine tinned wire. You only need 3 feet. If the colors are not blue and brown in the piece of wire don’t worry you just need 3 colors one being green. Open your male plug and just match the colors in the male plug to the female plug if they are blue and brown, if they don't match don’t worry. Just make sure that you hook the new cable with the green wire to the same place on the female plug. I am not on the boat for a week but if I remember the green wire goes to the largest hole in the female plug and is connected to the biggest pin on the male plug of your boat.

The 50 amp plug is made for a much heavier gauge wire so it can carry 50 amps. Usually 6 or 8 gauge. That is why the holes are so large. Now that you have the female end open and connected , connect the other end of the wire to the 50 amp twist lock.
Don’t forget to put the cap on the wire before doing the wiring. The 50 amp plug usually has 4 screws . each color coded. To open the connector on some there are a few screws near the plug prongs themselves.
Connect the green to the green, and then one wire to the black, and the other wire to the red. There is no connection to the white connector. Your cable should only have 3 wires in it. If you can only find a 4 wire cable just cut the white one off at both ends.
Male sure the connections are tight. Leave a little slack in the wires under the cap so the cable and its rubber coating will be inside the cap. Put a very big cable tie on the cable to act as a strain relief. Once you have the connector assembled you will find that there is a big hole in the cap intended for a much bigger wire.
Just fill the hole generously with silicone sealant , don’t be shy with that.

Now to the circuit breaker issue. You have a 50 amp power supply with a 50 amp circuit breaker going through a thinner wire to a much smaller circuit breaker in the boat. There is a possibility that if there is a short in the cable
The 50 amp breaker will not trip and there could be a fire in the cable.

I think on some models Amel added a circuit breaker just inside the hull where the wire enters. If you have this then no worries.

As a temporary measure I would not worry about it.
My only issue is that you say your boat has a 16 amp plug on it.
I don't remember what mine is.
Please check the main circuit breaker on the electrical panel on my 53 it is on the side of the AC panel. 16 amps seems very small for the load that the boat could use.
It is possible that the previous owner changed out the larger European connector for a smaller one.
If that is the case, then just change out both connectors to the larger ones.

I just wish I were on board to see what connectors I used for Kimberlite.
I have an amp monitor that I built for Kimberlite (photo above) . I have never seen it go to more than 12 amps.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376








-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bertrand Quénot
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 6:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric,
I have a second hand twist lock plug available. It comes from à US boat and has a shirt cord sealed. Don’t know for sure it is a 50A and wire sections are far bigger than on mine.
All the colours you mentioned are here.
My cord ends with a 16A male plug. I have a 16A female plug available. I also have available 32A male and female plugs.
What I don’t get is the reason why I would need a circuit breaker on the line if I create a jumper as there is a circuit breaker on board at the end of the shore cord.
Bertrand











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Re: Autopilot and other questions

Ben Levy
 

Thank you for your reply.
2. Would you be able to send me a few photos of your 2nd auto pilot installation, I would be really interested to see where/how it can be fitted next to the NECO!
3. Does it mean that I should reattache cables between the bolts and the rudder? or is the rubber quadrant "banging" on the bolts? is that how it work?
7. So the fuel access is located on top of the tank, right? Do you have any idea how big it is?

Cheers,
Ben


Re: Autopilot and other questions

Ben Levy
 

Thank you for your reply.
3. That's interesting. If I understand properly, originally there would have been 2 cables running from the 2 bolts to the rudder quadrant, right? Which must have been removed, then.
6. Yes the boat came with an SSB radio, so you must be right about that.
7. I'll take a few photos once on the boat later this week
8. That was also my first thought but I had a quick look at it and I couldn't see any slotted holes. I'll have another look.

cheers,
Ben


Re: Onan 6500 genset can't put out rated power, output fluctuates

Craig Briggs
 

Bill, David -
Good points Bill.  I think I may have read David's original post a bit differently -  not that the engine speeds up or slows down a lot or for very long, but that it is simply "unloading" as the output drops off and then it is "lugging down" as the load then comes back on. That is, it is just a normal lag of the governor which one would see if you, say, flipped on a very large load. RPM's will momentarily drop as the governor quickly - but not instantaneously - feeds more fuel to keep the engine at 1500 (or 1800) rpm, the governor being a mechanical device with a discrete response time.

Perhaps David can shed more light on this that might help home in on engine vs. generator.
--
Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Onan 6500 genset can't put out rated power, output fluctuates

Bill Kinney
 

David,

If the engine speed is changing, I would guess that the likely problem IS with the engine side. The engine speed is mechanically governed, and shouldn’t vary more than a few percent under any load.  As the engine speed varies, the frequency of the power will change as well. This can put some of the plugged in equipment at risk of damage.

I think it is unlikely that the engine power output could be half normal without other problems. But DO check fuel availability.  A weak primary fuel pump, or clogged fuel filter could be the issue by choking the engine when it demands more fuel to maintain speed under higher load. If there is sufficient fuel, then the governor and/or injection pump are the next candidates.

It is also possible that there is something wrong with the electrical control of the generator that is overloading the engine, but I can’t think what that might be, assuming that the voltage stays in specification before the engine starts to struggle.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Autopilot and other questions

Bill Kinney
 

I see Rob has already beat me to the update I have…

#3:  the empty metal pipe holds the rudder stops.  I was just helping someone with an Amel Sharki, and the system was the same there. A bit easier to figure out in person than with a photo!


Re: Mizzen staysail for A55

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Joerg,

the only purpose of the front mizzen mast halyard is the bosun's chair (as you know, it's better to use a halyard that is inside the mast for climbing up the mast).

See you in April.

Cheers.
Olivier


Re: A54 Tumble-drier

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Arno,

Look up the solution Robin Hutter brought to his boat. Unable to find a suitably sized washer for my SM, I converted the wet locker into a new washer dryer location. Brilliant solution!

Robin has also removed his dryer altogether and replaced the washer with a washer dryer unit. I believe he is very satisfied with the results

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ




On 8 Jan 2022, at 13:27, Bertrand Quénot <bertrand@...> wrote:



Arno,

Eventually I tried to repair my existing tumble drier instead of chasing a compatible new one.

I ordered the heating element you found on eBay and replaced the old one.

And it worked !

Extracting the original drier out of its niche and putting it back in I realised how tricky it would be to find another drier fitting into this available space as it has been modified by cutting one back corner.

Hope i twill last for long now.

Bertrand

SV ANTINEA A54 #43


Re: Mizzen staysail for A55

Joerg Esdorn
 

Thanks very much, Olivier.  The tack is supposed to be attached to the chainplates for the lower shrouds. I take your point that the mizzen mast wasn't designed for a mizzen staysail and I'm checking with the designer whether it's ok to add one.  I have had the mizzen up in very strong winds on a reach or downwind so I'm hoping that I won't need runners for the mizzen staysail in light air.  I'm figuring that the max for that sail will be below 15 kn TWS in any event.  But even if I need runners, I have the second utiity halyard which I could just rig to the windward cleat aft, right?  

I also appreciate your point about the risk of chafe for the halyard.  I am intrigued, however, by the utility halyard on the mizzen that exits the mast forward.  If not for a mizzen staysail, what was it designed to be used for?  

Cheers Joerg

PS: I'll be back in LR in April and hope to meet you in person then!  


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

hanspeter baettig
 

Jose
negative
don‘t write things you don‘t fully understand.
In Europe we have on the 3 phase system never 440 Volt. Its not 2* of 220 Volt. We have 380 Volt. Don‘t matter , because on Amels we have never 3 phase electrical systems.
Cheers
Hanspeter
SM16, Tamango 2

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Freitag, 7. Jan, 2022 um 21:05, Jose Venegas via groups.io<josegvenegas@...> schrieb:

Bertrand,

In most of the american continent, mono(single) phase AC current runs at 110 V 60 Hz with one cable life and the second neutral relative to ground. Thera are 30 amps and 60 amp outlets. However most marinas the 60 Amp outlets have three phase AC current involving 3 phases (live cables) and one neutral. The voltage between any phase and the neutral cable is 110V and between any two phases is 220 V. The voltage between the neutral and ground is 0. In Europe three phase AC current has 220V between any phase and neutral and 440V between any two phases. So, in most american marinas they can connect your two cables (live and neutral) to two phases of the AC three-phasic cables that are both “live” relative to ground.
My SM2000 was originally made for an american customer and included a 110 to 220 transformer. When you convert 110 to 220 with a transformer, the current you draw from the 110 outlet is twice that used at 220 by your boat. So if you run more than one air conditioner and the microwave oven or a battery charger using more than 15 amp at 220 you end up tripping the shore power outlet of 30 amp. For that reason I have always connected to the 3-phase outlets in american marinas that allow my boat to draw up to 30 amps at 220 without tripping the shore power.
NEVER had an problem and all marinas, including those in Panama, were willing to do it and I have never had a problem with it.

Hope this help

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2k currently in RedFrog Marina, Panama


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Kimberlite was delivered from the factory with 2 dolphin chargers capable of 50/60 cycles.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 8:06 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

 

Bertrand, 

Yes, I replaced my Dolphin chargers with a Victron Quattro 120amp/5kw inverter and a Victron Skylla 80 amp second charger.

I am not sure if the Dolphin can take 60hz - you can google the specs or look at the manual to find that, I am sure.

We have lithium, so we run everything on the inverter. Microwave, washing machine, AC, water heater, induction, boiler, scuba compressor, etc.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Bertrand.
Just take your 16 amp female plug and add a piece of what we would call 12 gauge twisted wire to the plug, Basically get a wire cable that has wires equal to or bigger that what you currently have. You can usually get a black rubber coated 3 wire cable at an electrical supply or a good hardware store. Make sure it is stranded wire, it does not have to be marine tinned wire. You only need 3 feet. If the colors are not blue and brown in the piece of wire don’t worry you just need 3 colors one being green. Open your male plug and just match the colors in the male plug to the female plug if they are blue and brown, if they don't match don’t worry. Just make sure that you hook the new cable with the green wire to the same place on the female plug. I am not on the boat for a week but if I remember the green wire goes to the largest hole in the female plug and is connected to the biggest pin on the male plug of your boat.

The 50 amp plug is made for a much heavier gauge wire so it can carry 50 amps. Usually 6 or 8 gauge. That is why the holes are so large. Now that you have the female end open and connected , connect the other end of the wire to the 50 amp twist lock.
Don’t forget to put the cap on the wire before doing the wiring. The 50 amp plug usually has 4 screws . each color coded. To open the connector on some there are a few screws near the plug prongs themselves.
Connect the green to the green, and then one wire to the black, and the other wire to the red. There is no connection to the white connector. Your cable should only have 3 wires in it. If you can only find a 4 wire cable just cut the white one off at both ends.
Male sure the connections are tight. Leave a little slack in the wires under the cap so the cable and its rubber coating will be inside the cap. Put a very big cable tie on the cable to act as a strain relief. Once you have the connector assembled you will find that there is a big hole in the cap intended for a much bigger wire.
Just fill the hole generously with silicone sealant , don’t be shy with that.

Now to the circuit breaker issue. You have a 50 amp power supply with a 50 amp circuit breaker going through a thinner wire to a much smaller circuit breaker in the boat. There is a possibility that if there is a short in the cable
The 50 amp breaker will not trip and there could be a fire in the cable.

I think on some models Amel added a circuit breaker just inside the hull where the wire enters. If you have this then no worries.

As a temporary measure I would not worry about it.
My only issue is that you say your boat has a 16 amp plug on it.
I don't remember what mine is.
Please check the main circuit breaker on the electrical panel on my 53 it is on the side of the AC panel. 16 amps seems very small for the load that the boat could use.
It is possible that the previous owner changed out the larger European connector for a smaller one.
If that is the case, then just change out both connectors to the larger ones.

I just wish I were on board to see what connectors I used for Kimberlite.
I have an amp monitor that I built for Kimberlite (photo above) . I have never seen it go to more than 12 amps.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bertrand Quénot
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 6:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric,
I have a second hand twist lock plug available. It comes from à US boat and has a shirt cord sealed. Don’t know for sure it is a 50A and wire sections are far bigger than on mine.
All the colours you mentioned are here.
My cord ends with a 16A male plug. I have a 16A female plug available. I also have available 32A male and female plugs.
What I don’t get is the reason why I would need a circuit breaker on the line if I create a jumper as there is a circuit breaker on board at the end of the shore cord.
Bertrand


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Scott SV Tengah
 

Bertrand, 

Yes, I replaced my Dolphin chargers with a Victron Quattro 120amp/5kw inverter and a Victron Skylla 80 amp second charger.

I am not sure if the Dolphin can take 60hz - you can google the specs or look at the manual to find that, I am sure.

We have lithium, so we run everything on the inverter. Microwave, washing machine, AC, water heater, induction, boiler, scuba compressor, etc.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 Tumble-drier

Bertrand Quénot
 

Arno,

Eventually I tried to repair my existing tumble drier instead of chasing a compatible new one.

I ordered the heating element you found on eBay and replaced the old one.

And it worked !

Extracting the original drier out of its niche and putting it back in I realised how tricky it would be to find another drier fitting into this available space as it has been modified by cutting one back corner.

Hope i twill last for long now.

Bertrand

SV ANTINEA A54 #43


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Bertrand Quénot
 

Eric,
I have a second hand twist lock plug available. It comes from à US boat and has a shirt cord sealed. Don’t know for sure it is a 50A and wire sections are far bigger than on mine.
All the colours you mentioned are here.
My cord ends with a 16A male plug. I have a 16A female plug available. I also have available 32A male and female plugs.
What I don’t get is the reason why I would need a circuit breaker on the line if I create a jumper as there is a circuit breaker on board at the end of the shore cord.
Bertrand


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Jose,
Most USA marinas and some Caribbean have 30 and 50 amp not 60 outlets. They are not 3 phase.
The 50 amp have 4 wires on the plug, green-Ground, black and red hot, and white neutral,
Between the black and white you get 110 volts single phase the same for the red and white.
Between the black and red you get 220 volts single phase.
For the purposes of an Amel you do not connect the white(neutral wire)

Many of the 400 volt plugs are 3 phase.

The plugs I have encountered in Europe like LA Rochelle have 2 prongs and a ground prong. 220 volts between brown and the blue.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 3:05 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V

Bertrand,

In most of the american continent, mono(single) phase AC current runs at 110 V 60 Hz with one cable life and the second neutral relative to ground. Thera are 30 amps and 60 amp outlets. However most marinas the 60 Amp outlets have three phase AC current involving 3 phases (live cables) and one neutral. The voltage between any phase and the neutral cable is 110V and between any two phases is 220 V. The voltage between the neutral and ground is 0. In Europe three phase AC current has 220V between any phase and neutral and 440V between any two phases. So, in most american marinas they can connect your two cables (live and neutral) to two phases of the AC three-phasic cables that are both “live” relative to ground.
My SM2000 was originally made for an american customer and included a 110 to 220 transformer. When you convert 110 to 220 with a transformer, the current you draw from the 110 outlet is twice that used at 220 by your boat. So if you run more than one air conditioner and the microwave oven or a battery charger using more than 15 amp at 220 you end up tripping the shore power outlet of 30 amp. For that reason I have always connected to the 3-phase outlets in american marinas that allow my boat to draw up to 30 amps at 220 without tripping the shore power.
NEVER had an problem and all marinas, including those in Panama, were willing to do it and I have never had a problem with it.

Hope this help

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2k currently in RedFrog Marina, Panama


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Jose Venegas
 

Bertrand,

In most of the american continent, mono(single) phase AC current runs at 110 V 60 Hz with one cable life and the second neutral relative to ground. Thera are 30 amps and 60 amp outlets. However most marinas the 60 Amp outlets have three phase AC current involving 3 phases (live cables) and one neutral. The voltage between any phase and the neutral cable is 110V and between any two phases is 220 V. The voltage between the neutral and ground is 0. In Europe three phase AC current has 220V between any phase and neutral and 440V between any two phases. So, in most american marinas they can connect your two cables (live and neutral) to two phases of the AC three-phasic cables that are both “live” relative to ground.
My SM2000 was originally made for an american customer and included a 110 to 220 transformer. When you convert 110 to 220 with a transformer, the current you draw from the 110 outlet is twice that used at 220 by your boat. So if you run more than one air conditioner and the microwave oven or a battery charger using more than 15 amp at 220 you end up tripping the shore power outlet of 30 amp. For that reason I have always connected to the 3-phase outlets in american marinas that allow my boat to draw up to 30 amps at 220 without tripping the shore power.
NEVER had an problem and all marinas, including those in Panama, were willing to do it and I have never had a problem with it.

Hope this help

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2k currently in RedFrog Marina, Panama


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Bertrand,

Many Amel’s use the 50 amp plug, mine included for over 19 years.

You need a 50 amp twist lock plug.

You do not use the neutral wire connection.  In the USA it is white in the plug. You use only (USA) the red and the Black those are connected to the brown and blue wires on your cord. The green ground in your cord is connected to the green ground screw in the plug. These are  USA colors. I do not know the colors used in the plugs available in your area.

 

On Kimberlite we cannot use the microwave, dish washer, clothes washer, or watermaker on 60 cycles.

Everything else including the battery charger and air conditioners work on either 50 or 60 cycles.

If you want to get fancy. In addition to buying the 50 amp plug buy a 30 amp female European plug and some wire.

You can then make a jumper to just plug your boats plug into that and the other end of the jumper into the 50 Amp outlet.

 

Be aware for safety sake a 30-amp circuit breaker should be added in line with this setup.

However, that gets complicated.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bertrand Quénot
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 2:25 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

 



 

Thanks for your replies,

 

I agree most of marinas in the 120 V zone are able to provide 240 V 60Hz. This is what we got so far during our tour.

However here in Quepos marina when asking for it here is the answer I have got:

I cannot find a safe way to make 230volts, without turning your neutral side live. Although it might have been done on your boat before. I do not recommend it being done.

Not sure I am comfortable with the “turning your neutral side live” though. Could anyone help clarifying that sentence ?

 

Scott I understand A54 are originally set with 100 and 30amp chargers. 

Does your message mean that you have replaced the original ones with 120 and 80 amp ?

And do the 100 and 30 also output the proper battery charging voltage ?

In that case I agree that the easiest way in most of the configurations would be to charge the batteries and then run appliances with the inverter.

You said “run everything “ off your inverter.

Does that include microwave, washing machine,…. ?

If so what inverter are you using ?

 

Bertrand

SV ANTINEA A54 #43 

Still running his generator in Quepos marina Costa Rica

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Bertrand Quénot
 



Thanks for your replies,

I agree most of marinas in the 120 V zone are able to provide 240 V 60Hz. This is what we got so far during our tour.
However here in Quepos marina when asking for it here is the answer I have got:
I cannot find a safe way to make 230volts, without turning your neutral side live. Although it might have been done on your boat before. I do not recommend it being done.
Not sure I am comfortable with the “turning your neutral side live” though. Could anyone help clarifying that sentence ?

Scott I understand A54 are originally set with 100 and 30amp chargers. 
Does your message mean that you have replaced the original ones with 120 and 80 amp ?
And do the 100 and 30 also output the proper battery charging voltage ?
In that case I agree that the easiest way in most of the configurations would be to charge the batteries and then run appliances with the inverter.
You said “run everything “ off your inverter.
Does that include microwave, washing machine,…. ?
If so what inverter are you using ?

Bertrand
SV ANTINEA A54 #43 
Still running his generator in Quepos marina Costa Rica







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