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Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Joan,

I can tell you what I have done on our 54.
Originally our boat came with the Navnet3D system, two 502 Autopilots and the B&G H3000 set.

Although the Navnet 3D is not a bad system the power consumption is very high. Having tough about the situation for some time I decided to go for Furuno for most stuff as that was the most cost effective.
I replaced the course computers and control boxes with the new 702 generation. They work excellent. You may need to update the software on the computers if you have problems.

The NavNet 3D has been replaced with the Navnet TZ2 blackbox. This box can drive two displays independently so it now drives the inside screen and a new outside screen that replaced the 12" Navnet plotter that was there. I kept the radar, AIS and weatherfax as all work together with the new TZ2 blackbox. The instruments are replaced with Furuno's FI70. I bought a NMEA183 multiplexer and NMEA2000 bridge (Shipmodul Miniplex) to get data to and from the H3000 CPU and the NMEA2000 backbone. A TCP/IP bridge puts all navdata on the local WiFi network.
The system works very good and kept the costs acceptable. It takes about 25% of the power of the original system. But it was a lot of work installing it all. If you want I can send you the schematic diagram of the system.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Bob Grey
 

Yep same issue on my boat, A55 Renaissance 3 and also Another 55 Serenity in Sydney, all went silent mode and date went to may 2002, I got the date back by changing the time source to my TZ15. Have to contact Furuno on how to get the ais transmit back.

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3
A55 #25
Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Scott,
I found some help ( softwareupdate etc) for this problem.


Wolfgang  SY ELISE  Amel 54 #162 La Rochelle
Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Bruno,

That is indeed very luxurious!

And I guess you have some b&g displays at the helm? Or do you use the the Zeus with sailsteer? What about your autopilot?

Sorry for all the questions.

Kind regards,

Joan
Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Bruno COTTE
 

I have a TZ2 16 inches plus a 9 inches Zeus 3S ( Zeus with Navionics or front looking BG sonar ) and TZ2 with C map . 
At the table chart I have a 16inched Zeus 3S BG and a Furuno 9inches … it is a little bit luxury and you ca ´ use an iPad with navionics or c map but both maps are complementary due to my previous experience sailing around the world . 
The Furuno chart plotter is excellent and very fluid . 


Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 9 janv. 2022 à 21:28, Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> a écrit :

Hi Bruno,

I have an older model the FURUNO Radar Chartplotter NavNet Vx2 RDP149. Unfortunately the screen has become unreadable due to UV damage. My helmstation isn't very fancy yet. (See photo).

Do you have the Furuno TZ2 12 inch or 16 inch? And  B&G H3000 or H5000?

Kind regards,

Joan
Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Hi Bruno,

I have an older model the FURUNO Radar Chartplotter NavNet Vx2 RDP149. Unfortunately the screen has become unreadable due to UV damage. My helmstation isn't very fancy yet. (See photo).

Do you have the Furuno TZ2 12 inch or 16 inch? And  B&G H3000 or H5000?

Kind regards,

Joan
Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Bruno COTTE
 

On my A 55#63 I am very happy with the Furuno TZ2 plotter . What problems have you ?

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 9 janv. 2022 à 20:12, Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> a écrit :

Dear fellow Amel owners,

The original Furuno Navnet plotter & radar on my Amel 55 needs to be replaced. I also have a b&g H3000 Hydra system as wel as two Furuno Fab 7002 autopilots. The Hydra works fine the autopilots have a bit a mind of their own...

I now only want to replace the plotter & radar and later on this year/next year replace the whole system. We are planning a Atlantic circumnavigation in 2023/2024. 

I need some advice / opinion what I should do? Should I stick to the Amel tradition with a Furuno plotter/radar (and complexity of a multi brand system) or gradually move to an B&G only system? 

And what model should I choose?

Your experience and advise.is highly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Joan
SV Caconano
Amel55 #05
Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Mark Erdos
 

Bertrand,

 

Our experience (7 years and counting) is in 110v countries the marinas offer a 220 shore-power source. Without 220v, they will seriously limit their appeal for boats docking with them. We have yet to encounter no 220 power option.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bertrand Quénot
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:38 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

 

Hi all,
On our way for a circumnavigation started in Europe we are now crossing a 120V zone. 
In Panama there were still solutions in the marinas to get energy from the dock.
Currently in Quepos Costa Rica there is none.
I am interested to know from this Amel community how other amelians did manage connections to the dock energy in these 120V countries.
Bertrand on SV ANTINEA A54 #43
Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Dear fellow Amel owners,

The original Furuno Navnet plotter & radar on my Amel 55 needs to be replaced. I also have a b&g H3000 Hydra system as wel as two Furuno Fab 7002 autopilots. The Hydra works fine the autopilots have a bit a mind of their own...

I now only want to replace the plotter & radar and later on this year/next year replace the whole system. We are planning a Atlantic circumnavigation in 2023/2024. 

I need some advice / opinion what I should do? Should I stick to the Amel tradition with a Furuno plotter/radar (and complexity of a multi brand system) or gradually move to an B&G only system? 

And what model should I choose?

Your experience and advise.is highly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Joan
SV Caconano
Amel55 #05
Re: Genoa car control wheel

Thomas Kleman
 

Thanks, Bill and Bill- While tefgel is clever, I think its kind of a band-aid approach. I’m hoping Mark McGovern is reading this and can send info on the stainless steel wheels to “lorient422” at gmail.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
SM2K 422
Society Islands
Re: Lewmar winch service kit

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thank Ulrich, a great help.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd
web: https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Sent: 06 January 2022 17:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lewmar winch service kit

 

Dear Paul,

 

on „Soleil Bleu“ (hull no 088 from 2008) we have 

both Lewmar 58 electric winches for the genoa /main headsail

and Lewmar 46 manual winches for the stay sail / jib.

 

just had a look into my boat pic doku.

Hope this helps.

 

all the Best.

Ulrich.

 

 

Am 06.01.2022 um 16:45 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:



Thank you Ulrich, and Happy New Year! I’ll try your advice. Would you know which model the genoa winches are?

 

From the Lewmar manual below. I’m thinking it’s a 54ST ??

 

16ST/30ST/40ST 8-12mm 5/16’’ - 1/2’’

44ST/48ST 8-14mm 5/16’’ - 9/16’’

50ST/54ST 8-16mm 5/16’’ - 5/8’’

58ST/64ST 8-18mm 5/16’’ - 11/16’’

66ST 12-22mm 1/2’’ - 7/8’’

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd 
web: https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Sent: 06 January 2022 13:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lewmar winch service kit

 

Hi Paul,, Happy New Year, and fair winds!

 

there is a standard Lewmar service kit available, not so cheap, containing spare springs and pawls, oil and grease in a tube, brushes, also an instruction paper for dismantling, greasing and retro fitting.

 

You are more clever, to buy only the pawls and springs as genuine spares and use a speciall marine grease for winches in a can, (you´ll need more than in the Lewmar tube), and also thin marine oil for the pawls (only for them).

different brushes and kerosine for cleaning you have already on board, I presume. google also for the genuine Lewmar service and maintenance instruction paper. Easy like all this service.

 

Best Regards

Ulrich

S/Y „Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088

 

Am 06.01.2022 um 13:07 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:

 

Hi all,

 

I would like to find out which service kit I need for the headsail winches on A54. I’m not on the boat at present and cannot recall what size these are. Any advice appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd 
web: https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 


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Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
Re: Genoa car control wheel

CW Bill Rouse
 

You are referring to Mark McGovern, and if Henri could have a "do-over" I believe that Henri would have done what Mark created.
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On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 11:29 PM Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There is a member on this group that makes magnificent Stainless steel Cars.

If you plan on using the Amel cars, make sure you use something like duralac or some other material that will not allow the stainless to corrode into the aluminum.

 

Personally , I would search the group and find the Stainless cars and keep the Amel ones as a spare.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa car control wheel

 

On SM 422 (SV L’ORIENT), Ive replaced both genoa car control wheels as they corroded and fractured. This job was complicated by the fact that they were aluminum and in contact with the stainless steel rod mounting, and held in place by stainless steel screws. The corrosion was such that cutting tools were required just to get it off the mounting. I got my replacement wheels from Amel but Im concerned about this dissimilar metal issue. Im hoping someone has a creative solution.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
Society Islands

Re: In Mast Furling

Laurens Vos
 
Edited

As we planned also new sails we looked and asked around a bit. We came in contact with Elvstrom. They did gave us good advice and bring us in contact with an Amel 54 owner who already have their fully battened sails.
He is sailing with them for more as two years and is VERY happy with them. Never had any problems with furling. He’s so much happy with this sails that for his planned trip to Cape Horn he ordered the same new sails but in a more heavy quality. 
This information gave us so much confidence in the Elvstrom quality that we ordered the same sails as well. Only difference is for us not in black but in white.
They will be delivered this spring so we’re very curious if it’s all worth the investment. 
I have attached the pictures and also our quotation.

Laurens Vos
Fun@Sea
A 54 / 72
La Rochelle 
Re: Autopilot and other questions

Thomas Wink
 

Hi Ben,

7. On my 1979 Maramu I had to make the access points myself. The tanks has 4 dividers, so I had to make 4 access points. I consider it a possibility that the tank is not original though..

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, 19:26 Ben Levy, <benjamin.levy@...> wrote:
Happy new year to all and everyone!

I have recently purchased an Amel Maramu 1981 and I am still trying to figure out what is what, what does what and what is original and what is not.
I have a few questions I was hoping some of you would be able to help me with.

1. Regarding the steering, is it hydraulic or just cables? Anyone can enlighten me please.

2. I currently have the original NECO auto pilot, is it (easily) possible to install a 2nd more modern auto pilot with a linear drive attached to the rudder quadrant? If not, what have people with such vintage boats done?

3. I can't figure out what this is for (circled in red in the photo bellow). It is in the aft cabine, just next to the rudder. It's a hollow tube, which doesn't seem to have any fonction. The plate it is attached to on the right hand side (also circled in red) is rusty, which would make me believe it isn't original. The board numbered 1 green on the photo is not only screwed in but also finer glassed on one side, so I can't remove it to see whether the tube goes anywhere or does anything. Anyone has an idea? Can I remove it? It wold be a good location for a linear drive unit (if I can install one...)
 

4. I found these in the boat spare parts. They have the amel logo on them, but I can't figure out what they are and what they are being used for?


5. Same with the 2 levers circled on the photo, what are they, what do they do, what is the on and the off position?


6. What about this big piece of metal which goes from the aft (into the fibreglass), under the bed and disappear into the fibreglass next to the rudder stock? Is it linked to the SSB? Is it for grounding?


7. Can anyone confirm whether there is or there is not an access to the fuel tank? It seems unlike amel not to have thought of that and I was wondering whether underneath the wooden board which sits on top on the fuel tank there would be an access (I haven't checked for myself yet as electronics has been installed on top of it and it will turn into a mission to remove it.)

8. I was told that the chain (like a cycle chain) linking the wheel to the NECO autopilot needed to be tightened. But I can't think of anyway to do so? Is it actually doable or does it need to be entirely replaced?


Thank you all so much for your help. I have to admit being a little overwhelmed by the boat and how different it is to any other boat I know...
Cheers,
Ben

Maramu #98, KUJIRA

Re: Autopilot and other questions

rob dillmann
 

Dear Ben,
2. That will take some time..I will be on the boat at the end of April…
3. You don’t need cables.  It is just an adjustable stop (the bolts stop the quadrant).
7. Yes, they are on top of the tanks, around 15-20 cms in diameter. The starboard tank is under the berth in the passage (in the mango it is) and you need to remove the bottom of that to get access. We have had both tanks cleaned via that. 
Best regards,
Rob
Westwind Mango 43


Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 9 jan. 2022 om 00:20 heeft Ben Levy <benjamin.levy@...> het volgende geschreven:

Thank you for your reply.
2. Would you be able to send me a few photos of your 2nd auto pilot installation, I would be really interested to see where/how it can be fitted next to the NECO!
3. Does it mean that I should reattache cables between the bolts and the rudder? or is the rubber quadrant "banging" on the bolts? is that how it work?
7. So the fuel access is located on top of the tank, right? Do you have any idea how big it is?

Cheers,
Ben

Re: Genoa car control wheel

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

There is a member on this group that makes magnificent Stainless steel Cars.

If you plan on using the Amel cars, make sure you use something like duralac or some other material that will not allow the stainless to corrode into the aluminum.

 

Personally , I would search the group and find the Stainless cars and keep the Amel ones as a spare.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa car control wheel

 

On SM 422 (SV L’ORIENT), Ive replaced both genoa car control wheels as they corroded and fractured. This job was complicated by the fact that they were aluminum and in contact with the stainless steel rod mounting, and held in place by stainless steel screws. The corrosion was such that cutting tools were required just to get it off the mounting. I got my replacement wheels from Amel but Im concerned about this dissimilar metal issue. Im hoping someone has a creative solution.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
Society Islands

Re: Genoa car control wheel

Bill Kinney
 

There is no need for a complicated solution,  Just make sure that all the places that stainless and aluminum touch are coated in TefGel.  It works. 

I have been using this for 20 years, it solves the problem. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Haromine
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Re: Autopilot and other questions

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hi Ben
Question 3: that's right, the only function of the pipe is to stop the rudder quadrant. The bolts allow you to adjust the stroke end on both sides of the blade.  Nothing else.

Giorgio Ardrizzi
Sharki #1 Saudade III
Currently in Guadeloupe 

   


Il Sab 8 Gen 2022, 19:20 Ben Levy <benjamin.levy@...> ha scritto:
Thank you for your reply.
2. Would you be able to send me a few photos of your 2nd auto pilot installation, I would be really interested to see where/how it can be fitted next to the NECO!
3. Does it mean that I should reattache cables between the bolts and the rudder? or is the rubber quadrant "banging" on the bolts? is that how it work?
7. So the fuel access is located on top of the tank, right? Do you have any idea how big it is?

Cheers,
Ben

Re: In Mast Furling

Joerg Esdorn
 

Further to my post above, I spoke with a friend who is in the process of ordering a Hallberg Rassy.  I’m fact, HR offers three choices of furling mainsails, no battens, short vertical battens, and full length vertical battens.  They tell prospective owners that the sail with full length battens should only be furled downwind if the boat is on the tack where the battens are to windward on the sail.  If the boat is on the other tack, the battens may prevent the sail from furling into the mast because they are pressed against the mast and may jam in the groove.  So they recommend a battenless sail for world girdling.  Martin, have you had no issues with furling downwind?  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 
Genoa car control wheel

Thomas Kleman
 

On SM 422 (SV L’ORIENT), Ive replaced both genoa car control wheels as they corroded and fractured. This job was complicated by the fact that they were aluminum and in contact with the stainless steel rod mounting, and held in place by stainless steel screws. The corrosion was such that cutting tools were required just to get it off the mounting. I got my replacement wheels from Amel but Im concerned about this dissimilar metal issue. Im hoping someone has a creative solution.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
Society Islands
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