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Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

Just curious - how much did that entire system cost you?

Which radar do you have? We have the Navnet VX2 so perhaps our radar is older and won't work with the TZ2.

Ours works reasonably well aside from GPS rollover bugs (ha!) and I'm loathe to upgrade since you confirmed what I feared: "But it was a lot of work installing it all."

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Scott SV Tengah
 

Bill,

I have the relevant files for the devices I have onboard. The issue is that I cannot connect to my GP-150 through the Furuno update software, even though I have been able to connect using Opencpn for years.

But thanks for posting - others can give it a go and report back. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

 

The following file may help:
I have all of the available Furuno software upgrades and instructions on my website for the following Furuno models:














On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 2:51 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
I successfully updated my FA-50 AIS. Had to make a crossover ethernet cable since we don't have a hub onboard and the tiny shops on the remote South Pacific atolls are out of fresh vegetables and don't seem to carry crossover ethernet cables, either. ;)  A bit of splicing + turning off windows firewall and I was able to update our FA-50.

Do you have the GP-150? I cannot connect to it to update it. I have the serial output on Data4 enabled with a DB9 output and then connected to a DB9-USB converter. I have been using that for years to provide GPS data to my computer, but I can't get the Furuno update software to connect.

FYI - We know a SM with Garmin and they have been blissfully unaware that they may have been transmitting erroneous AIS position information since 2019. It is not a Furuno specific bug. It's easy to remain unaware that your reported position is missing or incorrect. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Scott SV Tengah
 

I successfully updated my FA-50 AIS. Had to make a crossover ethernet cable since we don't have a hub onboard and the tiny shops on the remote South Pacific atolls are out of fresh vegetables and don't seem to carry crossover ethernet cables, either. ;)  A bit of splicing + turning off windows firewall and I was able to update our FA-50.

Do you have the GP-150? I cannot connect to it to update it. I have the serial output on Data4 enabled with a DB9 output and then connected to a DB9-USB converter. I have been using that for years to provide GPS data to my computer, but I can't get the Furuno update software to connect.

FYI - We know a SM with Garmin and they have been blissfully unaware that they may have been transmitting erroneous AIS position information since 2019. It is not a Furuno specific bug. It's easy to remain unaware that your reported position is missing or incorrect. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: In Mast Furling

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hello Joerg,

Since we got these sails we never had any problem furling them downwind or on broad reach. The only problem that can occur when unfurling is that the top of the first batten gets caught in the V1 shroud. To avoid this, we bring the boom closer if necessary. 
I can add that we never have to adjust the vertical angle of the boom to a certain point. Furling in and out always is working fine.

 

From our point of view one of the most important skills a bluewater yacht must have is the ability to reef and furl main (and mizzen) on all courses to the wind. It may sound strange but my captain and I voted for full battened sails because we were (and still are) convinced that it is the most reliable solution using an in mast furling system.

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Interesting to see your pics, Laurens.

The front battens end clearly above the foot. This certainly makes it much easier to pull out the battens compared to our design. The sails on the pics have fewer battens: 4 and 3 instead of 5 and 4 like ours. The sail cloth seems to be membrane instead of our laminate fabrics (triradial).


Re: In Mast Furling

Dave_Benjamin
 

As a sailmaker, I hope that your Elvstrom representative is local and can sort out any issues you have in person. When adding battens to a furling mainsail, we are eliminating leech hollow somewhat or completely and in some cases adding some positive roach. I've been very cautious with battens in furling mains because we've seen some fellow cruisers have issues with them. I think the advantage of attempting this on the Amel is that the cavity is generously sized unlike the masts we encounter on common production boats. 

The way Henri designed these boats was with a low aspect ratio sailplan that relies more on the genoa to drive the boat. The performance gains of adding battens to furling mains on an Amel are not the same gains that someone with a high aspect sloop rig would have. Also, the gains are most notable while sailing upwind, which whilst cruising, hopefully we are not doing so much of. 

Many years ago we set up an Oyster furling main with partial battens to eliminate hollow and the boat transited the Southern Ocean without issue. 

Regards, Dave Benjamin


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joerg Esdorn
 

Joan, I have the Navnet TZ Touch 14 plotter on my boat (#53 from 2016) integrated with a laptop at the chart table running the Time Zero Professional software.  The laptop uses the same charts as the plotter - so you don't have to buy separate licenses.  The TZ Professional integrates very well with the  TZT so I do all my course work and navigation at the laptop with a mouse and send the courses to the plotter at the press of a button.  This is much easier than working on the plotter or a second plotter down below.  I have the B&G 5000 system for sailing instruments which are great.  I like the overall system very much but I don't like the Furuno autopilots - they are made for fishing and motorboats, not sailboats.  I find it impossible to adjust the sensitivity to my liking  and the "learning" function seems to have no brain for sailing at all.  for example, every time the wind speed changes by a few knots and the balance of the boat changes as a result, the pilot initially will keep the old rudder angle for a few minutes rather than keeping the course to the apparent wind constant.  Eventually, it "learns" but it takes way too long and meanwhile the sails are flogging or way overtrimmed.

Recently, I had occasion to install a complete B&G 5000 system including autopilot and Vulcan plotter on another boat and I now have the direct comparison.  The Vulcan plotter has a bunch of very good functions for sailing that the Furuno doesn't have - like laylines, etc - but many of these functions are mostly for racing.  I would find them useful on the Amel as well but that's personal preference.  The Vulcan also has very good software which brilliantly integrates with the H5000 system.  But I'm not aware of a navigation software package that integrates with the Vulcan and enables me to navigate on a laptop - maybe Deckman is that system but I've heard it's no longer being updated.  

Based upon my initial, limited experience, the H5000 autopilot is better at holding a course to the apparent/true wind than the Furuno which generally moves the rudder too much and always takes a long time to adjust to changes in conditions.  It has a bunch of other things, like gust response, which are very useful for a sailboat.  But, the Furuno autopilot integrates brilliantly with the plotter and I'd have to confirm how the H5000 autopilot works with the plotter.  

So, if I were to upgrade my system, I would likely:

*.  strongly consider a B&G plotter (probably Zeus rather than Vulcan) if I can find navigation software for a laptop that integrates with the plotter; failing that, I'd stay with the Furuno/TZ laptop combo
*  Keep the H5000
* get the H5000 autopilot as the main autopilot but if I stayed with the Furuno plotter, I'd have to get comfortable with the integration with the Furuno plotter.  I'd keep the second Furuno autopilot as a backup. 

I hope this helps you in your decision.  Cheers Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle




Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Peter Forbes
 

Arno,

Brilliant thank you - please send me the schematic circuit diagram and equipment list.

i think I will follow your example.

best wishes

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
07836 209730

On 10 Jan 2022, at 12:00, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Joan,

I can tell you what I have done on our 54.
Originally our boat came with the Navnet3D system, two 502 Autopilots and the B&G H3000 set.

Although the Navnet 3D is not a bad system the power consumption is very high. Having tough about the situation for some time I decided to go for Furuno for most stuff as that was the most cost effective.
I replaced the course computers and control boxes with the new 702 generation. They work excellent. You may need to update the software on the computers if you have problems.

The NavNet 3D has been replaced with the Navnet TZ2 blackbox. This box can drive two displays independently so it now drives the inside screen and a new outside screen that replaced the 12" Navnet plotter that was there. I kept the radar, AIS and weatherfax as all work together with the new TZ2 blackbox. The instruments are replaced with Furuno's FI70. I bought a NMEA183 multiplexer and NMEA2000 bridge (Shipmodul Miniplex) to get data to and from the H3000 CPU and the NMEA2000 backbone. A TCP/IP bridge puts all navdata on the local WiFi network.
The system works very good and kept the costs acceptable. It takes about 25% of the power of the original system. But it was a lot of work installing it all. If you want I can send you the schematic diagram of the system.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Joan,

I can tell you what I have done on our 54.
Originally our boat came with the Navnet3D system, two 502 Autopilots and the B&G H3000 set.

Although the Navnet 3D is not a bad system the power consumption is very high. Having tough about the situation for some time I decided to go for Furuno for most stuff as that was the most cost effective.
I replaced the course computers and control boxes with the new 702 generation. They work excellent. You may need to update the software on the computers if you have problems.

The NavNet 3D has been replaced with the Navnet TZ2 blackbox. This box can drive two displays independently so it now drives the inside screen and a new outside screen that replaced the 12" Navnet plotter that was there. I kept the radar, AIS and weatherfax as all work together with the new TZ2 blackbox. The instruments are replaced with Furuno's FI70. I bought a NMEA183 multiplexer and NMEA2000 bridge (Shipmodul Miniplex) to get data to and from the H3000 CPU and the NMEA2000 backbone. A TCP/IP bridge puts all navdata on the local WiFi network.
The system works very good and kept the costs acceptable. It takes about 25% of the power of the original system. But it was a lot of work installing it all. If you want I can send you the schematic diagram of the system.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Bob Grey
 

Yep same issue on my boat, A55 Renaissance 3 and also Another 55 Serenity in Sydney, all went silent mode and date went to may 2002, I got the date back by changing the time source to my TZ15. Have to contact Furuno on how to get the ais transmit back.

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3
A55 #25


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Scott,
I found some help ( softwareupdate etc) for this problem.


Wolfgang  SY ELISE  Amel 54 #162 La Rochelle


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Bruno,

That is indeed very luxurious!

And I guess you have some b&g displays at the helm? Or do you use the the Zeus with sailsteer? What about your autopilot?

Sorry for all the questions.

Kind regards,

Joan


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Bruno COTTE
 

I have a TZ2 16 inches plus a 9 inches Zeus 3S ( Zeus with Navionics or front looking BG sonar ) and TZ2 with C map . 
At the table chart I have a 16inched Zeus 3S BG and a Furuno 9inches … it is a little bit luxury and you ca ´ use an iPad with navionics or c map but both maps are complementary due to my previous experience sailing around the world . 
The Furuno chart plotter is excellent and very fluid . 


Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 9 janv. 2022 à 21:28, Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> a écrit :

Hi Bruno,

I have an older model the FURUNO Radar Chartplotter NavNet Vx2 RDP149. Unfortunately the screen has become unreadable due to UV damage. My helmstation isn't very fancy yet. (See photo).

Do you have the Furuno TZ2 12 inch or 16 inch? And  B&G H3000 or H5000?

Kind regards,

Joan


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Hi Bruno,

I have an older model the FURUNO Radar Chartplotter NavNet Vx2 RDP149. Unfortunately the screen has become unreadable due to UV damage. My helmstation isn't very fancy yet. (See photo).

Do you have the Furuno TZ2 12 inch or 16 inch? And  B&G H3000 or H5000?

Kind regards,

Joan


Re: Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Bruno COTTE
 

On my A 55#63 I am very happy with the Furuno TZ2 plotter . What problems have you ?

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 9 janv. 2022 à 20:12, Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> a écrit :

Dear fellow Amel owners,

The original Furuno Navnet plotter & radar on my Amel 55 needs to be replaced. I also have a b&g H3000 Hydra system as wel as two Furuno Fab 7002 autopilots. The Hydra works fine the autopilots have a bit a mind of their own...

I now only want to replace the plotter & radar and later on this year/next year replace the whole system. We are planning a Atlantic circumnavigation in 2023/2024. 

I need some advice / opinion what I should do? Should I stick to the Amel tradition with a Furuno plotter/radar (and complexity of a multi brand system) or gradually move to an B&G only system? 

And what model should I choose?

Your experience and advise.is highly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Joan
SV Caconano
Amel55 #05



Re: From 230V to 120V #alignment

Mark Erdos
 

Bertrand,

 

Our experience (7 years and counting) is in 110v countries the marinas offer a 220 shore-power source. Without 220v, they will seriously limit their appeal for boats docking with them. We have yet to encounter no 220 power option.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bertrand Quénot
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:38 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] From 230V to 120V #alignment

 

Hi all,
On our way for a circumnavigation started in Europe we are now crossing a 120V zone. 
In Panama there were still solutions in the marinas to get energy from the dock.
Currently in Quepos Costa Rica there is none.
I am interested to know from this Amel community how other amelians did manage connections to the dock energy in these 120V countries.
Bertrand on SV ANTINEA A54 #43


Should I Refit a Furuno or choose a B&G plotter?

Joan Blaas
 

Dear fellow Amel owners,

The original Furuno Navnet plotter & radar on my Amel 55 needs to be replaced. I also have a b&g H3000 Hydra system as wel as two Furuno Fab 7002 autopilots. The Hydra works fine the autopilots have a bit a mind of their own...

I now only want to replace the plotter & radar and later on this year/next year replace the whole system. We are planning a Atlantic circumnavigation in 2023/2024. 

I need some advice / opinion what I should do? Should I stick to the Amel tradition with a Furuno plotter/radar (and complexity of a multi brand system) or gradually move to an B&G only system? 

And what model should I choose?

Your experience and advise.is highly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Joan
SV Caconano
Amel55 #05



Re: Genoa car control wheel

Thomas Kleman
 

Thanks, Bill and Bill- While tefgel is clever, I think its kind of a band-aid approach. I’m hoping Mark McGovern is reading this and can send info on the stainless steel wheels to “lorient422” at gmail.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
SM2K 422
Society Islands


Re: Lewmar winch service kit

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thank Ulrich, a great help.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd
web:
https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Sent: 06 January 2022 17:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lewmar winch service kit

 

Dear Paul,

 

on „Soleil Bleu“ (hull no 088 from 2008) we have 

both Lewmar 58 electric winches for the genoa /main headsail

and Lewmar 46 manual winches for the stay sail / jib.

 

just had a look into my boat pic doku.

Hope this helps.

 

all the Best.

Ulrich.

 

 

Am 06.01.2022 um 16:45 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:



Thank you Ulrich, and Happy New Year! I’ll try your advice. Would you know which model the genoa winches are?

 

From the Lewmar manual below. I’m thinking it’s a 54ST ??

 

16ST/30ST/40ST 8-12mm 5/16’’ - 1/2’’

44ST/48ST 8-14mm 5/16’’ - 9/16’’

50ST/54ST 8-16mm 5/16’’ - 5/8’’

58ST/64ST 8-18mm 5/16’’ - 11/16’’

66ST 12-22mm 1/2’’ - 7/8’’

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd 
web: 
https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Sent: 06 January 2022 13:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lewmar winch service kit

 

Hi Paul,, Happy New Year, and fair winds!

 

there is a standard Lewmar service kit available, not so cheap, containing spare springs and pawls, oil and grease in a tube, brushes, also an instruction paper for dismantling, greasing and retro fitting.

 

You are more clever, to buy only the pawls and springs as genuine spares and use a speciall marine grease for winches in a can, (you´ll need more than in the Lewmar tube), and also thin marine oil for the pawls (only for them).

different brushes and kerosine for cleaning you have already on board, I presume. google also for the genuine Lewmar service and maintenance instruction paper. Easy like all this service.

 

Best Regards

Ulrich

S/Y „Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088

 

Am 06.01.2022 um 13:07 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:

 

Hi all,

 

I would like to find out which service kit I need for the headsail winches on A54. I’m not on the boat at present and cannot recall what size these are. Any advice appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd 
web: 
https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Genoa car control wheel

 

You are referring to Mark McGovern, and if Henri could have a "do-over" I believe that Henri would have done what Mark created.
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On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 11:29 PM Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There is a member on this group that makes magnificent Stainless steel Cars.

If you plan on using the Amel cars, make sure you use something like duralac or some other material that will not allow the stainless to corrode into the aluminum.

 

Personally , I would search the group and find the Stainless cars and keep the Amel ones as a spare.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa car control wheel

 

On SM 422 (SV L’ORIENT), Ive replaced both genoa car control wheels as they corroded and fractured. This job was complicated by the fact that they were aluminum and in contact with the stainless steel rod mounting, and held in place by stainless steel screws. The corrosion was such that cutting tools were required just to get it off the mounting. I got my replacement wheels from Amel but Im concerned about this dissimilar metal issue. Im hoping someone has a creative solution.

Thomas Kleman
SV L’ORIENT
Society Islands

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