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Re: Wide open throttle

David Odell
 

Thanks Mohammad and Nick, very helpful information. Much appreciated. David 


Re: Excited to join the Amel family

Courtney Gorman
 

Congratulations Neil welcome to the neighborhood 
Cheers 🥂 
Courtney Gorman 
Trippin 54 #101
Secret Harbour Grenada


On Jan 16, 2022, at 7:46 AM, Neil Meyrick <Nmeyrick@...> wrote:



I’ve been lurking in this group for the past year or so and soaking up the knowledge. I expect I will have lots of questions to ask soon so want to introduce myself and my family first.

 

 

This week my wife Hallie and I finalised the purchase of Revelation, SM390 from Drew and Lili Gaffney - currently lying in Sardinia. I can’t thank Drew and Lili enough for their hospitality when showing us the boat, and for making the buying process as painless as possible. I also have a debt of gratitude to both Bill Rouse and Olivier Beauté. 

 

Bill’s pre purchase consulting was invaluable; to anyone considering whether to take Bill up on this I wouldn’t hesitate. Bill saved us in the order of 100x his fee on the first SM I looked at and didn’t buy! And Olivier’s survey turned out to be more like an Amel masterclass, definitely worth accompanying him on the day. 

 

Lastly at the risk of sounding like an Oscar winner id like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. I’m still daunted by taking on the responsibility of maintaining such an amazing craft. But what gave me the confidence to do so is seeing the unending support and guidance that this group provides. I’m sure I’ll be back here soon with lots of questions and it means a lot to know that I don’t have to take this all in alone. 

 

We lived aboard in London for a decade on a number of boats ranging from a Rival 38 centre cockpit to a 65’ wide beam canal boat, trading up as our family grew so are not completely new to boats, but we certainly have a lot still to learn! We have two daughters aged 8 & 5 and are planning to start with some easy sailing in the med this summer before moving aboard full time next year.

 

I’m sure I will have lots of questions as we settle into this, and look forward to hopefully being able to contribute back to the group in some small way

 

Neil Meyrick

SM390 Revelation 


Re: Excited to join the Amel family

Peter Forbes
 

Welcome to this fraternity Neil. 

The Amel will look after you.

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
Lymington
07836 209730

On 16 Jan 2022, at 11:46, Neil Meyrick <Nmeyrick@...> wrote:



I’ve been lurking in this group for the past year or so and soaking up the knowledge. I expect I will have lots of questions to ask soon so want to introduce myself and my family first.

 

 

This week my wife Hallie and I finalised the purchase of Revelation, SM390 from Drew and Lili Gaffney - currently lying in Sardinia. I can’t thank Drew and Lili enough for their hospitality when showing us the boat, and for making the buying process as painless as possible. I also have a debt of gratitude to both Bill Rouse and Olivier Beauté. 

 

Bill’s pre purchase consulting was invaluable; to anyone considering whether to take Bill up on this I wouldn’t hesitate. Bill saved us in the order of 100x his fee on the first SM I looked at and didn’t buy! And Olivier’s survey turned out to be more like an Amel masterclass, definitely worth accompanying him on the day. 

 

Lastly at the risk of sounding like an Oscar winner id like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. I’m still daunted by taking on the responsibility of maintaining such an amazing craft. But what gave me the confidence to do so is seeing the unending support and guidance that this group provides. I’m sure I’ll be back here soon with lots of questions and it means a lot to know that I don’t have to take this all in alone. 

 

We lived aboard in London for a decade on a number of boats ranging from a Rival 38 centre cockpit to a 65’ wide beam canal boat, trading up as our family grew so are not completely new to boats, but we certainly have a lot still to learn! We have two daughters aged 8 & 5 and are planning to start with some easy sailing in the med this summer before moving aboard full time next year.

 

I’m sure I will have lots of questions as we settle into this, and look forward to hopefully being able to contribute back to the group in some small way

 

Neil Meyrick

SM390 Revelation 


Excited to join the Amel family

Neil Meyrick
 

I’ve been lurking in this group for the past year or so and soaking up the knowledge. I expect I will have lots of questions to ask soon so want to introduce myself and my family first.

 

 

This week my wife Hallie and I finalised the purchase of Revelation, SM390 from Drew and Lili Gaffney - currently lying in Sardinia. I can’t thank Drew and Lili enough for their hospitality when showing us the boat, and for making the buying process as painless as possible. I also have a debt of gratitude to both Bill Rouse and Olivier Beauté. 

 

Bill’s pre purchase consulting was invaluable; to anyone considering whether to take Bill up on this I wouldn’t hesitate. Bill saved us in the order of 100x his fee on the first SM I looked at and didn’t buy! And Olivier’s survey turned out to be more like an Amel masterclass, definitely worth accompanying him on the day. 

 

Lastly at the risk of sounding like an Oscar winner id like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. I’m still daunted by taking on the responsibility of maintaining such an amazing craft. But what gave me the confidence to do so is seeing the unending support and guidance that this group provides. I’m sure I’ll be back here soon with lots of questions and it means a lot to know that I don’t have to take this all in alone. 

 

We lived aboard in London for a decade on a number of boats ranging from a Rival 38 centre cockpit to a 65’ wide beam canal boat, trading up as our family grew so are not completely new to boats, but we certainly have a lot still to learn! We have two daughters aged 8 & 5 and are planning to start with some easy sailing in the med this summer before moving aboard full time next year.

 

I’m sure I will have lots of questions as we settle into this, and look forward to hopefully being able to contribute back to the group in some small way

 

Neil Meyrick

SM390 Revelation 


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Chantal & Alain sv Makemo
 

Hello Scott,
good to know you were successful in updating your FA50.
we git the same issue no longer emitting despite the fact our date has not been reset.
I got the software for the update as well as the password fir the memory clear but when I connect my laptop with FA50 off , everything goes well then I switch on the AIS which is located by the PC but then I get a time out message during the automatic launch of the corrective program. Any idea about this issue? I am going through the hub and not with a cross cable.
Indeed we are far away from a Furuno dealer.
thanks for any contribution
regards
Alain


Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

John Kozicz
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5505962/

 I found this article interesting, particularly if you are considering longer term 'cold/offline' storage or transport of LiFePO4 batteries.
Something to discuss with your battery manufacturer / supplier

John Kozicz
Spring, TX


A54 - Volvo D3 24-volt alternator

 

Has anyone successfully changed the Mastervolt 24-volt 110 amp alternator for some other alternator? It appears that the original, part No. 48524110, is becoming extinct.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


Re: Wide open throttle

Nick Newington
 

Hi David,
Welcome.
I run my engine at near max rpm every 25 hours or so for 5 minutes. 
On my 54, with Volvo Penta D3 110 and Bruntons Autoprop; WOT is about 2700 rpm. 
Normal engine running temperature is 78 degrees C at 1200 rpm but at WOT it goes up to about 83. According to the instrument panel!
As for normal running I tend to be very economic and run it between 1200 and 1500 rpm unless I am in a hurry. Occasionally there is a need to punch into a strong headwind, in which case maybe 2000 rpm. 
I think that the beauty of the Autoprop is that it loads up the engine very nicely in low rpm, which is extremely fuel efficient and quiet in flat water or motorsailing.

Nick
S/Y Amelia 
AML54-019
Leros Gr



On 15 Jan 2022, at 12:30, David Odell <david.wanderer@...> wrote:

This is my first post as my wife Susan and I just bought A54 #153, originally named Aora, now Dragonfly. Excited to be a part of this community, and what great boats these Amels!
 
My question pertains to running the Volvo Penta at wide open throttle. I previously had a trawler with a 170 hp Lugger diesel. The Lugger technical support manager advised the fleet to run the engine at wide open throttle after 6-8 hours of engine usage. We would run wide open throttle for 5-10 minutes to burn off all of the carbon build up and to heat up the gaskets and seals. Engine temperature would go from 180 degrees F to about 195 degrees F. We would never let the engine temperature exceed 205 degrees F. 
 
A few questions:
 
1.  Do you run your Volvo Penta at wide open throttle and for how long?
 
2. What is your normal engine running temperature, and what does the temperature reach at wide open throttle?
 
3. Under normal engine operating conditions, is there an RPM “sweet spot” where the engine is happy and the fuel burn is efficient?
 
Thanks in advance. 

David
 
David Odell
A54 #153 Dragonfly
Southport, North Carolina
Currently lying Le Marin, Martinique


Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Joerg Esdorn
 

I started this thread with the question of what to make of the winterizing instructions in the manual for my MLI 5500 batteries, to wit:

„If the battery will not be used for a period exceeding 3 months, we advise the following:
• If external AC power is available switch off all loads and switch on the charger. Apply a float voltage as specified in the following table.
Model Float voltage setting
12V 13.5V 24V 27.0V
• If no external AC power is available:
- Charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity before storage.
- Set the safety relay knob to “LOCK OFF”, see page 11.
- Make sure MasterBus powering is not set to "Always on" (see Configuration tab in
MasterAdjust).
In this setup the batteries can be kept at least 6 months without maintenance. However, it is highly recommended to charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity every 100 days.“

For this winter, I have actually disconnected the batteries as per “no external AC power available.”  But given the quote from Elon Musk above, I will believe Mastervolt that option 1 “if AC power is available” is also ok and wont damage the batteries.  Even more importantly, I will no longer hesitate to put the boat on the charger in a marina to charge to 100% and to make use of the full capacity (100% to 20%) of my batteries.   We’ll see how it goes!  Many thanks for everyone’s input.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle     


Re: Wide open throttle

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello David and welcome to the Amel Family;

 

  1. The advice of most knowledgeable Volvo mechanics that we have run into, has been to run the engine at 2000-2200 RPMs (about 80% max) for 1-2 minutes at the end of every day of motoring. We used to run at max RPM for 2 minutes every 2 weeks, but did end up with some carbon buildup ( we think) that led to the actuator arm on the turbo variable geometry getting sticky. We have been doing the daily rev up for one season and seem to have had good results.
  2. Normal engine temp is 80 Celsius, which is what the thermostat is set at. At wide open throttle (held for up to 2 minutes) , we have never seen more than 1 degree temperature rise to 81 C.
  3. Our cruising RPM is 1350 with the Brunton’s H6 prop which gets up to about 6.6 knots in calm conditions and clean bottom and prop, the cockpit noise is extremely low and comfortable and we average about 3.7 l/hour.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Odell via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 4:30 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Wide open throttle

 

This is my first post as my wife Susan and I just bought A54 #153, originally named Aora, now Dragonfly. Excited to be a part of this community, and what great boats these Amels!

 

My question pertains to running the Volvo Penta at wide open throttle. I previously had a trawler with a 170 hp Lugger diesel. The Lugger technical support manager advised the fleet to run the engine at wide open throttle after 6-8 hours of engine usage. We would run wide open throttle for 5-10 minutes to burn off all of the carbon build up and to heat up the gaskets and seals. Engine temperature would go from 180 degrees F to about 195 degrees F. We would never let the engine temperature exceed 205 degrees F. 

 

A few questions:

 

1.  Do you run your Volvo Penta at wide open throttle and for how long?

 

2. What is your normal engine running temperature, and what does the temperature reach at wide open throttle?

 

3. Under normal engine operating conditions, is there an RPM “sweet spot” where the engine is happy and the fuel burn is efficient?

 

Thanks in advance. 

David

 

David Odell

A54 #153 Dragonfly

Southport, North Carolina

Currently lying Le Marin, Martinique


Wide open throttle

David Odell
 

This is my first post as my wife Susan and I just bought A54 #153, originally named Aora, now Dragonfly. Excited to be a part of this community, and what great boats these Amels!
 
My question pertains to running the Volvo Penta at wide open throttle. I previously had a trawler with a 170 hp Lugger diesel. The Lugger technical support manager advised the fleet to run the engine at wide open throttle after 6-8 hours of engine usage. We would run wide open throttle for 5-10 minutes to burn off all of the carbon build up and to heat up the gaskets and seals. Engine temperature would go from 180 degrees F to about 195 degrees F. We would never let the engine temperature exceed 205 degrees F. 
 
A few questions:
 
1.  Do you run your Volvo Penta at wide open throttle and for how long?
 
2. What is your normal engine running temperature, and what does the temperature reach at wide open throttle?
 
3. Under normal engine operating conditions, is there an RPM “sweet spot” where the engine is happy and the fuel burn is efficient?
 
Thanks in advance. 

David
 
David Odell
A54 #153 Dragonfly
Southport, North Carolina
Currently lying Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Chris,

I recommend removing the center strap and checking whether it is deformed. If the damage is the result of a large force, the lower rudder mount should also be checked. To reattach the strap cleanly and check the lower rudder mount, it is necessary to pull the rudder. Only this allows to grind away the GRP around the parts and to rebuilt it properly. This is easier to do than it seems.
We had to do this last year, albeit for different reasons. When reassembling, we recommend drilling an additional hole in both sides of the center strap and the skeg (pic strap additional hole) and running a bolt through the skeg. The original fastening bolts are short ones not going through.
 
Regards
Martin

Mago del Sur - 54#40
on shore Worpswede, Germany


Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

James Alton
 

Chris,

   I have not yet removed a rudder on an Amel but I am pretty sure that the center strap that you are calling a pintle needs to be removed to drop the rudder.  So I suspect that under the loose putty or glass if it is will be the fasteners that hold the strap to the skeg.  In which case  the part that you see that is loose is just a filler to blend the notches in the skeg for the strap in.  You should verify this with someone more familiar with the rudder but I am pretty sure that this is only a cosmetic issue.  

   On other boats that I have worked on that had this center strap which ( wraps around the rudder shaft so can serve has a hinge point.)  This strap seems to serve as a back up bearing to keep the rudder secure in the event of a severe grounding that caused damage to the heel bearing at the bottom of the rudder.  

  Let us know what you find out for sure, Oliver or someone that has removed and Amel rudder should know.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno
Marmaris, Turkey


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jan 15, 2022 7:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

Hi Chris,
It looks like only a fiberglass problem.
However, I would check the rudder stops at the quadrant.
Possibly one  is loose.
Otherwise, something might have gotten jammed in there and when the rudder went hard to port it broke the glass.
Just a guess.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Chris Paul via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:04 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
 
Hi,
I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me.
 
The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed. 
Maybe zoom in a bit.
The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle.
 
Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water.
How could this happen?
Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully?
 
 
Chris Paul
Yacht GLAZIG
SM352 
Whangarei, NZ
 
 
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Regards, Chris Paul 


Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi David,

We may also be interested the specific Amel main outhaul winch puller if one can be manufactured. Can you please advise of of cost and design details.

Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently cruising Turkey


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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 2:00 AM, David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:

Calling all SM owners in NZ.

Having done a small run of the copper grounding straps for the grey-water bilge, and been happy with the results, I am now planning on getting some AMEL-specific tools machined - for example, the puller for the main-outhaul line-handling winch/motor/gearbox assembly.

It may be possible to come to some kind of economy-of-scale arrangement with the fabricator/s.  Even if not, if you have any hints or tips on where to go / who to use, I would be interested to hear; or, if you're wanting to bolster your tool-kit with that special nick-knack ...

If you’re interested in getting involved, please get back to me via this forum; I would then plan to take the discussion off-line for resolving the nitty-gritty.

Thanks, and best to all,

David
SM#396, Perigee
Town-Basin, Whangarei






--
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Chris,

It looks like only a fiberglass problem.

However, I would check the rudder stops at the quadrant.

Possibly one  is loose.

Otherwise, something might have gotten jammed in there and when the rudder went hard to port it broke the glass.

Just a guess.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Chris Paul via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:04 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

 

Hi,

I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me.

 

The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed. 

Maybe zoom in a bit.

The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle.

 

Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water.

How could this happen?

Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully?

 

 

Chris Paul

Yacht GLAZIG

SM352 

Whangarei, NZ

 

 

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Inline image

 

Regards, Chris Paul 


Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ

Raul Schleier
 

Hi David,

I’d be keen to join in on this if I’m not too late. I just pulled mine borrowing a home made puller from my dock neighbour. I’m planning to service the outhaul shaft regularly from now onwards so that it doesn’t stick but I will still likely need a puller some day.

We’re just down the creek in Marsden Cove Marina if we’re not out

Email: raul “at” seabean.nz

SM2k#344, SeaBean


Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos

Chris Paul
 

Hi,
I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me.

The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed. 
Maybe zoom in a bit.
The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle.

Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water.
How could this happen?
Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully?


Chris Paul
Yacht GLAZIG
SM352 
Whangarei, NZ


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Inline image


Regards, Chris Paul 


Maramu original Skin fitting sizes

Chris Warren
 

Hi,
i am in the process of working out the re commissioning of my new to me Maramu. I am planning on replacing many seacocks and skin fittings. I am away from the boat and want to take the correct parts with me when I go.
Are any Maramu owners able to confirm the size of the head intake valves?
Does anybody know what sizes the original skin fittings and  drains are? (both under the water and at the waterline?
This boat seems to have 2 head intakes and then 3 intakes in the engine room for engine generator and water maker. - along with the 2 cockpit drains under the water line.
There are then 7? outlets on the waterline all on the port side which look like the original recessed ones. - any idea what sizes these are?
Under waterline
Head Aft
Head Forward
Engine
Generator
Watermaker

At waterline port forward
Forward
Head
Head sink
Cockpit locker

Thanks for you help
Chris Warren
Kaleula@...
Maramu#69

at water line port Aft
Galley sink
head sink
head overboard
Other


Re: New sails [cross-cut * Nautosphere VOYAGER v tri-radial HydraNet]

Bill Kinney
 

Hi Dave,

Hope you are doing well!  

Lots of complex questions...

If you go with a hybrid fabric that is designed for a crosscut sail, the difference between the cross cut and the triradial will be small, but still real. I very much doubt anybody has real data, just opinions.  There is a lot of confusion between the short term shape stability of the sail, long term shape retention, and just the mechanical strength of the sail. 

The triradial cut will have much better shape stability under load than the crosscut.  On the down side, since they are almost all made with single stitched seams, they take a bit more maintenance.  Since the seams are now parallel to the force, they tend not to blow out, but they are still subject to chafe and occasionally need to be restitched.  

Certainly the triradial cuts for both genoa and main have proven themselves as suitable for furling.  I would NOT step up the weight of the sailcloth above the original.  That will just compromise the light wind performance for no real benefit.  I don't know of anybody who has torn out sailcloth of the recommended weight.  Failures are almost always seam failures that can be prevented by inspection and repair before failure.

Sails of any material (except laminates!) will lose shape long before they fail mechanically. I very much doubt that ANY sail after 25,000 miles of tropical cruising will be "like new" in performance. Genoas can be nursed along--at a significant performance cost, but older stretched out mains and mizzens will start to give you furling problems.

The advice we got from our sailmaker was to go with radial cut for performance, and use Dimension Polyant ProRadial fabric at about a 50% savings over HydraNet.  His opinion was that the ProRadial would show similar lifespan, and would have a bit less short term shape stability.  In his opinion, the Hydranet would be his first recommendation for a racing boat that didn't go with laminate, but he felt the benefits for a cruising boat were minimal. That's the direction we went, and have been very happy with them.  They were a dramatic improvement over the dacron cross cut sails the previous owner had installed.  Would we get 50% more life if we had gone with Hydranet?  We'll never know.

Our cross cut mizzen from the previous owner (also dacron)  was baggy enough that furling was getting fussy.

By far the most important thing is to be sure that the sailmaker either knows what an Amel sail is supposed to look like, or carefully copies what is extant.


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Alan Leslie
 

We have GP90 connected to Navnet VX2 radar/plotter, Furuno VHF, Camino AIS by each data port on the GP 90, without problems.
Our Camino AIS is connected to the VX2, also without problems, except that initially we had to get a software upgrade for the VX2 in order to handle the AIS sentences. This has all been working fine for years.
Furuno UK confirmed to me also that the date rollover issue will not affect the transmission of accurate position data.
As far as I can tell, the date is not used anywhere, except maybe for VHF DSC call, which we don't use - there is no DSC service in the South Pacific.
So, I doubt we will have any problems. 
AND I quite like the old Navnet VX2 system - it's reliable solid, totally waterproof - been functioning on Elyse now for 17 years without any problems.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 

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