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Re: Excited to join the Amel family
Congratulations Neil welcome to the neighborhood
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Cheers 🥂 Courtney Gorman Trippin 54 #101 Secret Harbour Grenada
On Jan 16, 2022, at 7:46 AM, Neil Meyrick <Nmeyrick@...> wrote:
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Re: Excited to join the Amel family
Welcome to this fraternity Neil.
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The Amel will look after you. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54 #035 Lymington 07836 209730
On 16 Jan 2022, at 11:46, Neil Meyrick <Nmeyrick@...> wrote:
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Excited to join the Amel family
Neil Meyrick
I’ve been lurking in this group for the past year or so and soaking up the knowledge. I expect I will have lots of questions to ask soon so want to introduce myself and my family first.
This week my wife Hallie and I finalised the purchase of Revelation, SM390 from Drew and Lili Gaffney - currently lying in Sardinia. I can’t thank Drew and Lili enough for their hospitality when showing us the boat, and for making the buying process as painless as possible. I also have a debt of gratitude to both Bill Rouse and Olivier Beauté.
Bill’s pre purchase consulting was invaluable; to anyone considering whether to take Bill up on this I wouldn’t hesitate. Bill saved us in the order of 100x his fee on the first SM I looked at and didn’t buy! And Olivier’s survey turned out to be more like an Amel masterclass, definitely worth accompanying him on the day.
Lastly at the risk of sounding like an Oscar winner id like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. I’m still daunted by taking on the responsibility of maintaining such an amazing craft. But what gave me the confidence to do so is seeing the unending support and guidance that this group provides. I’m sure I’ll be back here soon with lots of questions and it means a lot to know that I don’t have to take this all in alone.
We lived aboard in London for a decade on a number of boats ranging from a Rival 38 centre cockpit to a 65’ wide beam canal boat, trading up as our family grew so are not completely new to boats, but we certainly have a lot still to learn! We have two daughters aged 8 & 5 and are planning to start with some easy sailing in the med this summer before moving aboard full time next year.
I’m sure I will have lots of questions as we settle into this, and look forward to hopefully being able to contribute back to the group in some small way
Neil Meyrick SM390 Revelation
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Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug
Hello Scott,
good to know you were successful in updating your FA50. we git the same issue no longer emitting despite the fact our date has not been reset. I got the software for the update as well as the password fir the memory clear but when I connect my laptop with FA50 off , everything goes well then I switch on the AIS which is located by the PC but then I get a time out message during the automatic launch of the corrective program. Any idea about this issue? I am going through the hub and not with a cross cable. Indeed we are far away from a Furuno dealer. thanks for any contribution regards Alain
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Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?
John Kozicz
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5505962/
I found this article interesting, particularly if you are considering longer term 'cold/offline' storage or transport of LiFePO4 batteries. Something to discuss with your battery manufacturer / supplier John Kozicz Spring, TX
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A54 - Volvo D3 24-volt alternator
Has anyone successfully changed the Mastervolt 24-volt 110 amp alternator for some other alternator? It appears that the original, part No. 48524110, is becoming extinct. Bill
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Re: Wide open throttle
Hi David,
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Welcome. I run my engine at near max rpm every 25 hours or so for 5 minutes. On my 54, with Volvo Penta D3 110 and Bruntons Autoprop; WOT is about 2700 rpm. Normal engine running temperature is 78 degrees C at 1200 rpm but at WOT it goes up to about 83. According to the instrument panel! As for normal running I tend to be very economic and run it between 1200 and 1500 rpm unless I am in a hurry. Occasionally there is a need to punch into a strong headwind, in which case maybe 2000 rpm. I think that the beauty of the Autoprop is that it loads up the engine very nicely in low rpm, which is extremely fuel efficient and quiet in flat water or motorsailing. Nick S/Y Amelia AML54-019 Leros Gr
On 15 Jan 2022, at 12:30, David Odell <david.wanderer@...> wrote:
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Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?
I started this thread with the question of what to make of the winterizing instructions in the manual for my MLI 5500 batteries, to wit:
„If the battery will not be used for a period exceeding 3 months, we advise the following:
• If external AC power is available switch off all loads and switch on the charger. Apply a float voltage as specified in the following table.
Model Float voltage setting
12V 13.5V 24V 27.0V
• If no external AC power is available:
- Charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity before storage.
- Set the safety relay knob to “LOCK OFF”, see page 11.
- Make sure MasterBus powering is not set to "Always on" (see Configuration tab in
MasterAdjust).
In this setup the batteries can be kept at least 6 months without maintenance. However, it is highly recommended to charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity every 100 days.“ For this winter, I have actually disconnected the batteries as per “no external AC power available.” But given the quote from Elon Musk above, I will believe Mastervolt that option 1 “if AC power is available” is also ok and wont damage the batteries. Even more importantly, I will no longer hesitate to put the boat on the charger in a marina to charge to 100% and to make use of the full capacity (100% to 20%) of my batteries. We’ll see how it goes! Many thanks for everyone’s input. Joerg Esdorn A55 #53 Kincsem Currently in La Rochelle
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Re: Wide open throttle
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello David and welcome to the Amel Family;
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of David Odell via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 4:30 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Wide open throttle
This is my first post as my wife Susan and I just bought A54 #153, originally named Aora, now Dragonfly. Excited to be a part of this community, and what great boats these Amels!
My question pertains to running the Volvo Penta at wide open throttle. I previously had a trawler with a 170 hp Lugger diesel. The Lugger technical support manager advised the fleet to run the engine at wide open throttle after 6-8 hours of engine usage. We would run wide open throttle for 5-10 minutes to burn off all of the carbon build up and to heat up the gaskets and seals. Engine temperature would go from 180 degrees F to about 195 degrees F. We would never let the engine temperature exceed 205 degrees F.
A few questions:
1. Do you run your Volvo Penta at wide open throttle and for how long?
2. What is your normal engine running temperature, and what does the temperature reach at wide open throttle?
3. Under normal engine operating conditions, is there an RPM “sweet spot” where the engine is happy and the fuel burn is efficient?
Thanks in advance. David
David Odell A54 #153 Dragonfly Southport, North Carolina Currently lying Le Marin, Martinique
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Wide open throttle
David Odell
This is my first post as my wife Susan and I just bought A54 #153, originally named Aora, now Dragonfly. Excited to be a part of this community, and what great boats these Amels!
My question pertains to running the Volvo Penta at wide open throttle. I previously had a trawler with a 170 hp Lugger diesel. The Lugger technical support manager advised the fleet to run the engine at wide open throttle after 6-8 hours of engine usage. We would run wide open throttle for 5-10 minutes to burn off all of the carbon build up and to heat up the gaskets and seals. Engine temperature would go from 180 degrees F to about 195 degrees F. We would never let the engine temperature exceed 205 degrees F.
A few questions:
1. Do you run your Volvo Penta at wide open throttle and for how long?
2. What is your normal engine running temperature, and what does the temperature reach at wide open throttle?
3. Under normal engine operating conditions, is there an RPM “sweet spot” where the engine is happy and the fuel burn is efficient?
Thanks in advance.
David
David Odell
A54 #153 Dragonfly
Southport, North Carolina
Currently lying Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
Hi Chris,
I recommend removing the center strap and checking whether it is deformed. If the damage is the result of a large force, the lower rudder mount should also be checked. To reattach the strap cleanly and check the lower rudder mount, it is necessary to pull the rudder. Only this allows to grind away the GRP around the parts and to rebuilt it properly. This is easier to do than it seems.
We had to do this last year, albeit for different reasons. When reassembling, we recommend drilling an additional hole in both sides of the center strap and the skeg (pic strap additional hole) and running a bolt through the skeg. The original fastening bolts are short ones not going through.
Regards
Martin Mago del Sur - 54#40 on shore Worpswede, Germany            
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Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
James Alton
Chris,
I have not yet removed a rudder on an Amel but I am pretty sure that the center strap that you are calling a pintle needs to be removed to drop the rudder. So I suspect that under the loose putty or glass if it is will be the fasteners that hold the strap to the skeg. In which case the part that you see that is loose is just a filler to blend the notches in the skeg for the strap in. You should verify this with someone more familiar with the rudder but I am pretty sure that this is only a cosmetic issue.
On other boats that I have worked on that had this center strap which ( wraps around the rudder shaft so can serve has a hinge point.) This strap seems to serve as a back up bearing to keep the rudder secure in the event of a severe grounding that caused damage to the heel bearing at the bottom of the rudder.
Let us know what you find out for sure, Oliver or someone that has removed and Amel rudder should know.
Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno
Marmaris, Turkey
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From: Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Sat, Jan 15, 2022 7:49 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos Hi Chris,
It looks like only a fiberglass problem.
However, I would check the rudder stops at the quadrant.
Possibly one is loose.
Otherwise, something might have gotten jammed in there and when the rudder went hard to port it broke the glass.
Just a guess.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Chris Paul via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:04 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos Hi,
I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me.
The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed.
Maybe zoom in a bit.
The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle.
Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water.
How could this happen?
Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully?
Chris Paul
Yacht GLAZIG
SM352
Whangarei, NZ
  Regards, Chris Paul
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Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
Hi David,
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We may also be interested the specific Amel main outhaul winch puller if one can be manufactured. Can you please advise of of cost and design details. Ross Hickey SV Intrepid Kiwi SM2K #356
On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 2:00 AM, David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
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Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond SV Intrepid Kiwi SM2K #356 Currently in Turkey
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Re: Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
Hi Chris, It looks like only a fiberglass problem. However, I would check the rudder stops at the quadrant. Possibly one is loose. Otherwise, something might have gotten jammed in there and when the rudder went hard to port it broke the glass. Just a guess. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Chris Paul via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:04 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
Hi, I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me.
The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed. Maybe zoom in a bit. The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle.
Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water. How could this happen? Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully?
Chris Paul Yacht GLAZIG SM352 Whangarei, NZ
Regards, Chris Paul
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Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ
Raul Schleier
Hi David, I’d be keen to join in on this if I’m not too late. I just pulled mine borrowing a home made puller from my dock neighbour. I’m planning to service the outhaul shaft regularly from now onwards so that it doesn’t stick but I will still likely need a puller some day. We’re just down the creek in Marsden Cove Marina if we’re not out Email: raul “at” seabean.nz SM2k#344, SeaBean
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Crack in skegg in line with the lower edge of pintle see photos
Chris Paul
Hi, I am not sure what to do about this one - hopefully someone can advise me. The boat came out of the water yesterday and this crack was noticed. Maybe zoom in a bit. The second photo shows the crack about 10mm below the paint scraper sharp edge and in line with the pintle. Obviously it needs fixing - before I go back into the water. How could this happen? Have other boats had this problem & fixed it successfully? Chris Paul Yacht GLAZIG SM352 Whangarei, NZ   Regards, Chris Paul
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Maramu original Skin fitting sizes
Chris Warren
Hi,
i am in the process of working out the re commissioning of my new to me Maramu. I am planning on replacing many seacocks and skin fittings. I am away from the boat and want to take the correct parts with me when I go. Are any Maramu owners able to confirm the size of the head intake valves? Does anybody know what sizes the original skin fittings and drains are? (both under the water and at the waterline? This boat seems to have 2 head intakes and then 3 intakes in the engine room for engine generator and water maker. - along with the 2 cockpit drains under the water line. There are then 7? outlets on the waterline all on the port side which look like the original recessed ones. - any idea what sizes these are? Under waterline Head Aft Head Forward Engine Generator Watermaker At waterline port forward Forward Head Head sink Cockpit locker Thanks for you help Chris Warren Kaleula@... Maramu#69 at water line port Aft Galley sink head sink head overboard Other
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Re: New sails [cross-cut * Nautosphere VOYAGER v tri-radial HydraNet]
Bill Kinney
Hi Dave,
Hope you are doing well! Lots of complex questions... If you go with a hybrid fabric that is designed for a crosscut sail, the difference between the cross cut and the triradial will be small, but still real. I very much doubt anybody has real data, just opinions. There is a lot of confusion between the short term shape stability of the sail, long term shape retention, and just the mechanical strength of the sail. The triradial cut will have much better shape stability under load than the crosscut. On the down side, since they are almost all made with single stitched seams, they take a bit more maintenance. Since the seams are now parallel to the force, they tend not to blow out, but they are still subject to chafe and occasionally need to be restitched. Certainly the triradial cuts for both genoa and main have proven themselves as suitable for furling. I would NOT step up the weight of the sailcloth above the original. That will just compromise the light wind performance for no real benefit. I don't know of anybody who has torn out sailcloth of the recommended weight. Failures are almost always seam failures that can be prevented by inspection and repair before failure. Sails of any material (except laminates!) will lose shape long before they fail mechanically. I very much doubt that ANY sail after 25,000 miles of tropical cruising will be "like new" in performance. Genoas can be nursed along--at a significant performance cost, but older stretched out mains and mizzens will start to give you furling problems. The advice we got from our sailmaker was to go with radial cut for performance, and use Dimension Polyant ProRadial fabric at about a 50% savings over HydraNet. His opinion was that the ProRadial would show similar lifespan, and would have a bit less short term shape stability. In his opinion, the Hydranet would be his first recommendation for a racing boat that didn't go with laminate, but he felt the benefits for a cruising boat were minimal. That's the direction we went, and have been very happy with them. They were a dramatic improvement over the dacron cross cut sails the previous owner had installed. Would we get 50% more life if we had gone with Hydranet? We'll never know. Our cross cut mizzen from the previous owner (also dacron) was baggy enough that furling was getting fussy. By far the most important thing is to be sure that the sailmaker either knows what an Amel sail is supposed to look like, or carefully copies what is extant.
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Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug
We have GP90 connected to Navnet VX2 radar/plotter, Furuno VHF, Camino AIS by each data port on the GP 90, without problems.
Our Camino AIS is connected to the VX2, also without problems, except that initially we had to get a software upgrade for the VX2 in order to handle the AIS sentences. This has all been working fine for years. Furuno UK confirmed to me also that the date rollover issue will not affect the transmission of accurate position data. As far as I can tell, the date is not used anywhere, except maybe for VHF DSC call, which we don't use - there is no DSC service in the South Pacific. So, I doubt we will have any problems. AND I quite like the old Navnet VX2 system - it's reliable solid, totally waterproof - been functioning on Elyse now for 17 years without any problems. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?
The big advantage for cars (and laptops) of the Nickel Cobalt batteries is that they can CHARGE at multiple times C (their rated capacity) in an hour. (Eg if you have a 100A battery you can fill it from empty in 30-60 minutes or even less with more aggressive chemistries). This is important for cars as you don’t want to have to wait long to charge them. Same for discharge rates - you want to be able to burn up massive amounts of energy with rabbit starts (0-100kph in 2-3 seconds). On our sailboats we don’t need to charge or discharge at much more than 0.2C even with running the bow thruster and electric winches so no need for the more aggressive (and potentially explosive) technologies. You don’t really have that option with cars unless you stay close to home as you don’t want to take 5-6 hours to charge them. Some manufacturers seem ok with that as they figure that owners will slow charge at home over night but buyers will be surprised if they ever do a long trip and need to recharge quickly.
Brent
On Jan 14, 2022, 12:24 PM -0600, main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io, wrote:
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