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Re: Super Maramu Heaving To sail combination?

David Vogel
 

Greets,

Having tried various combinations with headsail out (various %s, and backed), we always seem to fall off and end up too far off the wind, and may be also broadside to the waves, resulting in more rolling motion. And making way.

Our last attempt upon arrival NZ, I tried 1/3 mizzen out, and backed, with no main or genoa – this seemed to work, but it was only for about an hour in stable wind-se conditions, so cannot yet recommend, but this is where I will start next time.

Best,

David
SM#396, Perigee
NZ



From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 at 5:08 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Heaving To sail combination?

I haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet but thought I’d ask other SM owners what sail combo works best when Heaving To?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Super Maramu Heaving To sail combination?

Alan Leslie
 

Our SM has an inner forestay, we use the staysail and mizzen.
If you don't have a staysail, a partially furled headsail to produce similar windage to the mizzen would work. Too big a headsail will make the bow blow off and turn you around in circles.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Greg Thomas
 

Scott,
I had a quick search and couldn't find any extra details for advanced configuration of the Prolific driver. Unfortunately, usb-to-serial adapters are notorious for messing up the hardware handshaking lines.
Rather than modifying your DB9 cable, and in light of the limited hardware resources in your current location, you might be able to make a temporary patch between the Female DB9 socket on the serial-to-usb adapter, and the Male DB9 plug on the end of your cable?
You'd need three wires going pin-to-pin between the two DB9 connectors (Gnd pin5, Rx pin2 and Tx pin2) and then two wires to do the loop-back from pin4-to-pin6 and pin7-to-pin8 on the USB end.
It only needs to work once.


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks, I looked at the Windows 10 device manager driver configuration for the Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port  (port settings) and it does allow me to set flow control.

 

I tried the 3 options:

 

  1. None
  2. Hardware
  3. Xon/Xoff

 

And unfortunately, none of them allowed the Furuno upload utility to connect to my GP150. Any ideas?

 

From: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Greg Thomas <gregthomasesq@...>
Reply-To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:39 PM
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

 

Scott,
You may be able to configure the driver for the RS232-USB adapter to emulate the DTR->DSR and RTS->CTS loop-back functionality?


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Greg Thomas
 

Scott,
You may be able to configure the driver for the RS232-USB adapter to emulate the DTR->DSR and RTS->CTS loop-back functionality?


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Scott SV Tengah
 

Correct, it has to do with flow control You have to jumper, on the PC side:

 

pins 4 (DTR) and 6 (DSR)

pins 7 (RTS) and 8 (CTS)

 

I did not attempt it because we are in the Tuamotus right now and I use output from my GP-150 to feed opencpn and navigate via satellite overlays. The data from the GP-150 is noticeably superior to any other GPS device onboard and I need all the precision I can get in some of these bommie fields!

 

I believe it requires some pretty precision soldering on the DB9 connector. Unless you think there’s a different way to achieve it? Keep in mind the DB9 then goes through a serial-usb converter before going to my computer, so no guarantee that the converter will correctly translate the modified signals.

 

From: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Dean Gillies <stella@...>
Reply-To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:44 AM
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

 

Scott,
"It turns out you need to jumper 2 pairs of pins in the DB9/serial/rs232 port"

I'm assuming that the problem is hardware flow control, which can be bypassed in the wiring with various techniques. Which pins did you jump to make it work?
thanks
Dean 
SV Stella
A54-154


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Dean Gillies
 

Scott,
"It turns out you need to jumper 2 pairs of pins in the DB9/serial/rs232 port"

I'm assuming that the problem is hardware flow control, which can be bypassed in the wiring with various techniques. Which pins did you jump to make it work?
thanks
Dean 
SV Stella
A54-154


Re: Super Maramu Heaving To sail combination?

Courtney Gorman
 

Mizzen and staysail if you have one or Mizzen and head sail if you don’t 
Cheers 🥂 


On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:

I haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet but thought I’d ask other SM owners what sail combo works best when Heaving To?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Super Maramu Heaving To sail combination?

Kevin Schmit
 

I haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet but thought I’d ask other SM owners what sail combo works best when Heaving To?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ (outhaul puller PLUS wrench for the rudder-post-packing nut)

Keith Tice
 

Hi David,

I am interested in the rudder packing nut wrench.

Cheers,

Keith Tice
Bikini  SM282 
Calvi, France


On 17 Jan 2022, at 03:15, Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi David,

Thanks for this effort. I have a different set up for the main outhaul with my older SM so no need for the special puller. I am, however, very keen on the rudder packing nut wrench.

I have a trace of the Amel specific one that I copied from Rusty on Pitu that has the critical dimensions. Perhaps there's a better file on the forum or maybe another owner will let us borrow one. I never got around to having a shop make one for me. I've got a crude tool that does the job but would very much prefer a proper wrench as mine only grabs two sides of the nut (dangerous!).

Photo of the wrench trace/dimensions attached, which I can get to you in person if needed. I believe the wrench was made of aluminium.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
Opua


On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 1:26 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Hi all,

OK, I have some indicative numbers – it seems only 2 or 3 potentially for the puller for the main-outhaul.

Ross Hickey, SM#356, IntrepidKiwi
Raul Schleier, SM#344, SeaBean

I have no idea yet of the cost, as businesses here in WHargarie are just again winding up for the New year, and hence I also am just starting the contact-research on this.  As there will be only 2 or 3 units, I would not expect that it will be worthwhile to go to the trouble (and cost) of establishing a CAD/CAM file for subsequent orders.  Although I will research this lightly, I presently expect that whatever we do will be hand-crafted as ‘one-offs’.

I’ll keep you posted once I have an idea of the cost and timings – I’ll go first to the guy who did the copper keel grounding straps (where we did get a small economy of scale, mainly for the freight).

Regarding design details, I will template off what I have seen before on (or as referred to by) this forum, et al. 

BTW, I did try a conventional gear-puller for the extracting the axle for the line-handling-winch from the main-outhaul gearbox, and it was simply not up to the task; hence why I am getting a special tool made up.

I am also looking at getting a wrench made up specifically for the packing-nut on the rudder shaft gland.  Anyone interested in this???

Best,

David
SM#396, Perigee
Town Basin, Whangarei


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io" <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 7:54 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ

Hi David,

We may also be interested the specific Amel main outhaul winch puller if one can be manufactured. Can you please advise of of cost and design details.

Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently cruising Turkey
+++


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Raul Schleier <raul.schleier@...>
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Date: Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 5:21 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ

Hi David,
I’d be keen to join in on this if I’m not too late. I just pulled mine borrowing a home made puller from my dock neighbour. I’m planning to service the outhaul shaft regularly from now onwards so that it doesn’t stick but I will still likely need a puller some day.
We’re just down the creek in Marsden Cove Marina if we’re not out
Email: raul “at” seabean.nz
SM2k#344, SeaBean
+++



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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 2:00 AM, David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Calling all SM owners in NZ.

Having done a small run of the copper grounding straps for the grey-water bilge, and been happy with the results, I am now planning on getting some AMEL-specific tools machined - for example, the puller for the main-outhaul line-handling winch/motor/gearbox assembly.

It may be possible to come to some kind of economy-of-scale arrangement with the fabricator/s.  Even if not, if you have any hints or tips on where to go / who to use, I would be interested to hear; or, if you're wanting to bolster your tool-kit with that special nick-knack ...

If you’re interested in getting involved, please get back to me via this forum; I would then plan to take the discussion off-line for resolving the nitty-gritty.

Thanks, and best to all,

David
SM#396, Perigee
Town-Basin, Whangarei






--
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey









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Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Alain,

Make sure there is nothing else connected to the hub apart from your PC and the AIS. It will fail otherwise.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

Scott SV Tengah
 

Are you using Windows? Try turning off all the Windows firewalls.

 

As an aside, I tried to update my GP-150 on my own. I got the software and instructions and had to edit the batch file to refer to the right com port. I got further along but it still didn’t work.

 

It turns out you need to jumper 2 pairs of pins in the DB9/serial/rs232 port. There’s a wiring diagram in the update instructions but I learned that just because your DB9 port works right now to feed NMEA data to your computer doesn’t mean that the DB9 cable is setup correctly to update the GP-150. I reached out to Furuno and they told me they had to make a connector themselves, carefully soldering the 2 pairs of wires together inside the DB9 connector. That’s a one-off modification that is necessary solely to update the GP-150!

 

Long story short, we are too remote right now to risk damaging our only DB-9 cable and losing the ability to feed our positionally correct GP-150 data to our computer, so I am not going to risk it.

 

From: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Chantal & Alain sv Makemo <Alainrue@...>
Reply-To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:10 PM
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Check your GPS / AIS devices. Some of them failed on Jan 2, 2022 due to the "GPS Rollover" bug

 

Hello Scott,
good to know you were successful in updating your FA50.
we git the same issue no longer emitting despite the fact our date has not been reset.
I got the software for the update as well as the password fir the memory clear but when I connect my laptop with FA50 off , everything goes well then I switch on the AIS which is located by the PC but then I get a time out message during the automatic launch of the corrective program. Any idea about this issue? I am going through the hub and not with a cross cable.
Indeed we are far away from a Furuno dealer.
thanks for any contribution
regards
Alain


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Raising Boot Stripe

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Hi Elaine and Michael
We raised the boot line on Mothership and did a maintenance blog on how we did it. Hope it helps - https://youtu.be/8QEAIdavdLU


Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ (outhaul puller PLUS wrench for the rudder-post-packing nut)

David Vogel
 

Hi Raul,

Re: BCE Precision Ltd on Port Rd in Whangarei,

Great, thanks. Terry from ASM was my first choice, but he is still on Christmas vacation. So I’ll try these guys tomorrow.

Best,

David


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Raul Schleier <raul.schleier@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 2:53 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ (outhaul puller PLUS wrench for the rudder-post-packing nut)

Hi David,
Just for your reference…..below is a photo of the puller that I borrowed from my friendly Amel neighbour, Charlie on Gemma. All credits to him and hopefully I haven’t infringed on his copyright. He said he welded it together from some pieces of steel bars and rods and nuts. Perhaps not the prettiest thing but I don’t think that was the intention. It can be dismantled and it works which is the most important feature. If I’d owned a welder I’d probably put together a similar contraption.

 
If you’re still looking for machine shops, I had that little engine/c-drive alignment tool fabricated at BCE Precision Ltd on Port Rd in Whangarei last year (NZD$230 incl GST). I haven’t tried it yet, but those guys can probably fabricate the puller too.

Cheers
Raul
SM2k #344


Re: New sails [cross-cut * Nautosphere VOYAGER v tri-radial HydraNet]

David Vogel
 

Hi all,

Thanks to you all for your answers and additional inputs – all very good info.

We’re still considering our options, and will do some cruising up and down the East coast of the NZ North Islands while we deliberate.

Best,

David
SM#396, Perigee
Whangarei, NZ

On 7/12/21, 3:58 pm, "David Vogel" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io on behalf of david.vogel@...> wrote:

Greetings all,

After 5 years and ~25,000nm, our sails are starting to show their age, and so we are now scoping replacements. Mainly UV-damage to the leech area of the main and mizzen, the main- and mizzen-sails that were on the boat at purchase had no UV-protection. Which (we have discovered) is an oversight that we should have recognised and had corrected early on, especially once we started sailing full-time in the tropics (where we have now been continuously for >4 years). Being tri-radial cut, it is not so easy to re-cut the sail/s to eliminate the compromised fabric, which is a shame because, apart from the outer 30cm, the remaining fabric is still sound.

We will be continuing to cruise in the tropics for the foreseeable future. Meaning, that laminates are out of consideration.
Explanation: we have seen too many cruisers (and heard even more stories) of those paying for expensive state-of-the-art so-called "cruising laminates", only to have them start to de-laminate after only a season or two. The cause, seen more often in the tropics, seems to be that the laminating manufacturing process used to sandwich the various fabrics together, uses heat to melt and/or cure the glue, and the temperatures used are deliberately kept low in order to protect the fabric from thermal damage during manufacture, being only slightly higher than 100ºC. The in-mast temperatures reached when sails are furled, especially in the tropics, approaches or exceeds this temperature. The situation is, reportedly, worse with in-mast furling systems (as opposed to slab-reefing). This is as explained by several long-term cruising sailors with vastly more experience than us. It makes sense, and aligns with what we have seen over the past few years. Conclusion: no laminates for us.

Which leaves us with more conventional dacron-based woven sail-cloth, including hybrids that utilise high-modulus fibers such as "Ultra-PE" (Ultra-Polyethylene, such as Spectra or Dyneema yarns), which is introduced in order to improve strength and shape stability - once such sailcloth being HydraNet. I have heard that HydraNet starts to lose it's dimensional stability after a few years (maybe as short as 3-4 years), firstly becoming soft to handle, and then baggy. Which creates problems firstly for sail performance, and then also for in-mast furling systems. Which leads me to ...

QUESTION 1:
Does anyone have experience with Hydranet sails beyond 5-7 years? The use-case here being full-time live-aboard cruising, meaning, permanently rigged (not removed for the off season, nor on-anchor, as we have to ready to sail-away at a moments notice; and we generally avoid marinas, so the sails are on 365 days a year); mileage: 3,000 to 5,000nm a year, all-weather blue-water passage-making in the topical (hotter) and mid-latitudes (greater likelihood of encountering stronger than gale-force).

===
Next, the cut of the sail ::: traditional best practice within the AMEL community is to use a TRI-RADIAL cut - in addition to aligning the high-modulus fibres to the load (mainly vertically, roughly parallel to the leech, radiating from the head, tack and clew), this allows the use of differing weight fabric around the sail - heavier at the foot and leech where there are greater loads for fully-unfurled conditions, and needing to bear a greater load in stronger wind-condition when the sail is partially furled; and lighter sailcloth in the luff areas, less loading under fully unfurled conditions, and less likely to be exposed to high winds (because it should furled away) that would permanently deform a lighter fabric. But not easy to re-cut. Meaning that once a sail is 'blown' and starts to deform, or suffers UV-degradation along the leech, it largely becomes a throw-away item. (Proper UV protection in the first place would avoid this, either the paint-on solutions or extra covering such as an extra layer of sailcloth, or Sunbrella or, perhaps preferentially, the lighter WeatherMax.) But the outcome is the same, once UV damaged such that the strength of the outer sailcloth is degraded, even if the rest of the sail-cloth is sound, there is not much that can be done.

So, I have now questions about useful life of Tri-Radial HydraNet sails - especially if/as it starts to age, and becomes soft &/or baggy, thereby potentially introducing problems with our in-mast furlers. As a consequence of which I am now starting to look at other contemporary alternatives.

Sail construction --> CROSS-CUT. Normally, due to the conventional 'best practice' within the AMEL community, I would not consider this. But there are advantages, it would seem, with cross-cut sails with respect to the 'furl-ability' of the sail. Specifically, because the nearly horizontal seams spiral up the mast as the sail is furled, and hence do not overlap during furling (as is the case for a tri-radial cut sail), cross-cut sails can accommodate a heavier cloth within a given mast profile. However, cross-cut sails do not have the advantage of being able to use heavier cloth in areas of greater load, as is the case for tri-radials - each cross-cut fore-to-aft panel uses the same-weight sail-cloth. Offset against the use of a heavier cloth across all the sail.

Type of fabric: "Nautosphere VOYAGER" is a fabric we have just heard of. It is a hybrid fabric (that is, dacron base incorporating high-modulus yarn, in this case, dyneema). Downside, it is not suitable for tri-radial construction - only for cross-cut. It's claim to fame is that the dyneema threads are woven across the bolt of fabric (that is, along the weft), meaning that the strength and dimensional stability of a cross-cut sail built using this fabric will be roughly vertical - that is, approximately parallel to the leech, which is in alignment with the primary load lines. A cross-cut sail made of this fabric can be made of heavier cloth (due to the better furl-ability), meaning greater strength initially and, all other things being equal, greater longevity. And, being a simple cross-cut, simpler construction with a lesser number of panels (and seams, than tri-radial), meaning reduced labour cost. In addition, UV damage at the leech can be more easily re-cut out. Which leads me to ...

QUESTION 2:
Does anyone have experience in cross-cut sails for the main &/or mizzen for the in-mast furling AMELs, and especially the Super Maramu.

QUESTION 3:
Does anyone have experience with, or knowledge of, "Nautosphere VOYAGER" fabric?

Thank you, in anticipation, for your shared insights and knowledge.

David
SM#396, Perigee
On-the-hard, Riverside Drive Marina
Whangarei, New Zealand


Re: Machining AMEL-specific tools in NZ (outhaul puller PLUS wrench for the rudder-post-packing nut)

Raul Schleier
 

Hi David,

Just for your reference…..below is a photo of the puller that I borrowed from my friendly Amel neighbour, Charlie on Gemma.  All credits to him and hopefully I haven’t infringed on his copyright. He said he welded it together from some pieces of steel bars and rods and nuts.  Perhaps not the prettiest thing but I don’t think that was the intention. It can be dismantled and it works which is the most important feature. If I’d owned a welder I’d probably put together a similar contraption. 

 

If you’re still looking for machine shops, I had that little engine/c-drive alignment tool fabricated at BCE Precision Ltd on Port Rd in Whangarei last year (NZD$230 incl GST).  I haven’t tried it yet, but those guys can probably fabricate the puller too.

Cheers

Raul

SM2k #344

 

 


Re: Fixed Prop installation.

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Reudi;

 

Sorry for the late response.

 

The underwater installation was fairly straight forward with a bit of planning. The step on the keel acts as a great work bench to store the required tools. The main consideration is obviously, how not to lose any parts in the process. If possible, it is best to be tied to a dock somewhere, so if you happen to drop an important part, there is a fair chance of recovery. We were lucky that the first anchorage that we selected on the first day of the season, happened to be right outside an ACI marina in Croatia. So we gently motored to the dock which was less than a 1000 yards away. It also helped that my wife Aty, who is excellent at keeping contact with almost everyone we meet along the way, happened to have the information of a boat that winters in the same marina. A British couple that hooked us up with a diver that happened to be an ex Croatian Special forces with heavy underwater diving and repair experience. Having an additional set of hands underwater, definitely helps.

 

We took the fixed prop, that was never used,  to a another marina with a yard and had them apply speed prop anti-fouling. We then applied some grease to the shaft and the fixed prop slid on without issues. With the help of a rubber mallet and a piece of wood, we hammered the fixed prop as far as it would go and inspected the distance to the line cutter to be sure it had seated properly. A large spanner was used to tighten the nut and then it was further extended with a 3 foot PVC pipe so that we could be sure we had sufficient torque applied underwater. The key on the washer that we had with the prop was a bit different than the picture Bill R had attached. The washer itself had to be bent back at the flat part of the nut, rather being inserted.

 

It took us about 30 minutes to take the prop off and about 1 hour to put back on. We have not taken the fixed prop yet, so I cannot comment on the removal yet. We will remove this coming season when we haul out. Porter’s solution sounds like a good one. I do have some underwater video, if interested.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 12:56 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fixed Prop installation.

 

Hi Amelias

 

Does anyone experienced the performance of the Original Fixed Prop delivered by AMEL, compared to the Pruntons Autoprop?

 

@ Mohammad, et all

I have seen you installed the fix prop last year. How was the installation? Exactly as Bill believed?

How do you removed afterwards without puller? Was it easy to take it off?

 

Best regards and thanks

 

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #55

 

Wintering in Almerimar

 

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> im Auftrag von Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Montag, 19. Juli 2021 um 18:32
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Identify this part

 

Hi Bill;

 

Just completed this install under water. Confirm that your depiction is the correct way of installing the fixed prop. Attached please find some pictures of our final installation. Sorry for the blank screens in the screen shots. I have 4 monitors, so that’s how it comes out. But it is easy to zoom in and get a clear picture.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 6:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Identify this part

 

I would appreciate it if someone who has installed the fixed prop will verify the image below and the correct way to lock the prop in place:

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 7:48 AM Richard May via groups.io <airwisrich2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Super Maramu.  


Re: Raising Boot Stripe

Elaine Leishman
 

Thanks everyone for the info and photos.  
Elaine and Michael from Nebo 


On Tue, 18 Jan. 2022 at 1:57 am, Jose Venegas via groups.io
<josegvenegas@...> wrote:
After a new coopercoat work We too raised the stripe following Bill’s directions.
We have also been very happy with the looks and the lack of scrubbing



jose venegas
Ipanema SM2k 278
Bocas del toro  Panamá






Re: 2026 Downwind Circumnavigation Boat Choice: Amel 50 sloop or Amel 55 ketch?

Bruno COTTE
 

In terms of global practicality and easy maintenance it is very easy :
The A50 is better than the 55 which is better than the 54
In terms of pure equipment quality after the big problems with the A 54 furlers from Bamar Amel decided to take the best with Reckman for A 55…. But they are very very expensive ! Consequently they took Facnor for the A 50 … Honestly I am not fan . 
In terms of engine the VW of the A 54 I don’t like , Yanmar is the best Volvo is ok …on the A55 some exotic engines choices make them quite difficult to maintain as the worldwide network for these engines is quite poor … Volvo again is not the best but good in any domain . For the rest You have all the thoughts of us … 
Good choice ….

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Le 17 janv. 2022 à 18:46, Fred Vitale <fredvitale@...> a écrit :



Dear Bob, Nick, Bruno and Justin,

 

Many thanks to each of you for sharing insights!  Because ROW is the purpose of this boat I am more inclined towards the 54 or 55.  The decision is not yet final but you have each helped clarify the choice.

Fred


Re: Fixed Prop installation.

Porter McRoberts
 

Glad I could help Reudi. 

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
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On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Porter

Thanks a lot for the useful hint.

Cheers

Ruedi

 

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Reudi. 

 

You Can use the autoprop puller to remove the fixed prop. 

Use the bolt holes, align with the base of the fixed prop blades and then “sew” the puller to the base of the blades using 5-7mm dynema. 

 

Clearly less than ideal, but it works.

 

 

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On Jan 15, 2022, at 1:25 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Hi Bill

 

Thank you very much for your answer. The pictures are very useful!

In this case I need a lot of grease and some wood pieces to remove it with careful pushes from the front side.

 

Best regards

Ruedi

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #55

 

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Partial answer:

 

The shaft is tapered with a key. The fixed propeller is also tapered. A tapered-shaft propeller will almost always need a prop-puller to remove. The AutoProp puller is not made for the fixed propeller.

 

In terms of performance, someone else will need to answer, but I am sure there is a difference and I am sure how much of a difference is a matter of opinion. Check here for more information: https://www.bruntonspropellers.com/autoprop

 

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On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:56 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Amelias

 

Does anyone experienced the performance of the Original Fixed Prop delivered by AMEL, compared to the Pruntons Autoprop?

 

@ Mohammad, et all

I have seen you installed the fix prop last year. How was the installation? Exactly as Bill believed?

How do you removed afterwards without puller? Was it easy to take it off?

 

Best regards and thanks

 

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #55

 

Wintering in Almerimar

 

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Hi Bill;

 

Just completed this install under water. Confirm that your depiction is the correct way of installing the fixed prop. Attached please find some pictures of our final installation. Sorry for the blank screens in the screen shots. I have 4 monitors, so that’s how it comes out. But it is easy to zoom in and get a clear picture.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

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I would appreciate it if someone who has installed the fixed prop will verify the image below and the correct way to lock the prop in place:

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Super Maramu.  

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