Date   

Re: Updating the Furuno GP-150

Ralph Heilig
 

Thanks Bill and Arno,

I was on the Boat and checked my System. My GP-150 showed the date jul 6 2002.

I did the FA-50 update for the AIS. Worked straightforward (I have a HUB-101) as per update instruction. Unfortunately I have to confirm, that now the Software Option Recieve only AIS is gone. I did not need it often, but it was nice. I don't know if I will install the Hardware solution.

For the GP-150 I decided to ship it to Furuno Germany which do the update for 115 Euro within a week. The GP-150 was very easy to remove from the panel within a few minutes. Just one screw on the side. Since I have no cable it's easier for me. 

What I also recogniced was, that my FAX-30 did not recieve any more NAVTEX Messages. I normaly get a couple of them every day in the Med. I think (hope) that it is a result of the wrong date it is getting from the GPS.

Ralph 
Santa Isabella
A54-144
 


Re: Solar Panels and Through Deck Wiring

John Clark
 

Hi Steve,
    Couple of thoughts:

Do not drill holes near the winches.  You don’t want to weaken the deck there.

Do not drill through cored areas of the boat. 
I hate drilling holes but if you have to accessing the mizzen chase is probably the least offensive.  There is a cableway under the aft cockpit port hole that will get you from the base of the mizzen  to the starboard side cable tray.  From there you can reach the batteries from a number of places.  

John

SV Annie. SM37
St Thomas VI

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 7:23 PM Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117 <BODE@...> wrote:
Hey, Friends!! I'm installing solar panels on Intention's new bimini in March 2022 and would like your advice on how to run the wiring from atop the bimini to the batteries. This is a '94 Super Maramu. Specifically, I'm concerned about where to run the wires, especially though the deck. If you have done this, I'd love to hear from you. How did you run your wires? Where did you punch the wires through? What wiring glands did you use? Some candidates:
1. Take wires aft to the mizzen, down the mizzen and punch a hole in the mizzen and down into the aft head then forward to the battery compartment.
2. Run the wires forward and under the dodger and down to the dash. Punch a hole in the dash near where the outside speakers are.
3. Run down the bimini stantions and punch through where the dodger meets the deck.
4. Run down the Bimini stantions and punch a hole next to the winch.

I asked Brian on Delos this question when I was installing the panels in front of my bimini the way he did. His answer was to go back to the mizzen. So, that's a high runner.

As always, thanks for your great suggestions!!
 
--
Steve Bode, Sailing Vessel Intention
bode@...
Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
Western Mediterranean
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp
 


Re: Dimensions- Mizzen ballooner - early SM’s. (Urgent)

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

:-) many thanks. :-)




On 21 Feb 2022, at 12:18, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


SM2k, but should be the same for you

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 4:47 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Greetings Amelian’s,

Does anyone have the exact dimensions for the sail quoted above?

Kind regards

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera, SM007. New Zealand






Solar Panels and Through Deck Wiring

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Hey, Friends!! I'm installing solar panels on Intention's new bimini in March 2022 and would like your advice on how to run the wiring from atop the bimini to the batteries. This is a '94 Super Maramu. Specifically, I'm concerned about where to run the wires, especially though the deck. If you have done this, I'd love to hear from you. How did you run your wires? Where did you punch the wires through? What wiring glands did you use? Some candidates:
1. Take wires aft to the mizzen, down the mizzen and punch a hole in the mizzen and down into the aft head then forward to the battery compartment.
2. Run the wires forward and under the dodger and down to the dash. Punch a hole in the dash near where the outside speakers are.
3. Run down the bimini stantions and punch through where the dodger meets the deck.
4. Run down the Bimini stantions and punch a hole next to the winch.

I asked Brian on Delos this question when I was installing the panels in front of my bimini the way he did. His answer was to go back to the mizzen. So, that's a high runner.

As always, thanks for your great suggestions!!
 
--
Steve Bode, Sailing Vessel Intention
bode@...
Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
Western Mediterranean
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp
 


Re: Onan is not charging the batteries?

 

There were no fuses on the bank when it was built by Amel, but, if there were, the charger lights would still come ON.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 4:52 PM Arthur Sundqvist <arthur@...> wrote:
Hi Bill!
Yes. The button on panel is down of course 100AMP.
Everything has worked fine since 2018 June when we bought Vista.

But I will check the fuse under the hood.
Thank you for showing me.

Can there be fuses on the battery bank also?

Kindest regards
Arthur

> 21 feb. 2022 kl. 11:39 skrev CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:
>
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Re: Dimensions- Mizzen ballooner - early SM’s. (Urgent)

 

SM2k, but should be the same for you

image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 4:47 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Greetings Amelian’s,

Does anyone have the exact dimensions for the sail quoted above?

Kind regards

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera, SM007. New Zealand






Re: Onan is not charging the batteries?

Arthur Sundqvist
 

I took the picture AFTER the genset was running
But during Onan worked the first  green led  was on and the last red.
/arthur

21 feb. 2022 kl. 11:39 skrev CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

No lights are on:
<image.png>

Is the 100 amp battery charger green button pressed down on the 220 volt panel?
<image.png>

There is a fuse inside the charger:
<image.png>


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 3:42 PM Arthur Sundqvist <arthur@...> wrote:
Hello !
The Onan Genset is not charging the battries.
All else is working, Clotheswasher, outlet, Isotherm.
The red ledlamp about FUSES is on, and green on .......
Where is the fuse or fuses.
Are they on the batterybank?

Does anybody  know?
How do I solve this?
Thanks for answering me.<IMG_4379.jpeg>
We are now in Whangarei NewZaeland, coming all the way from Sweden.
SM435 VISTA
Kindest regards
Arthur Sundqvist




Re: Onan is not charging the batteries?

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Hi Bill!
Yes. The button on panel is down of course 100AMP.
Everything has worked fine since 2018 June when we bought Vista.

But I will check the fuse under the hood.
Thank you for showing me.

Can there be fuses on the battery bank also?

Kindest regards
Arthur

21 feb. 2022 kl. 11:39 skrev CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

<image.png>


Dimensions- Mizzen ballooner - early SM’s. (Urgent)

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Greetings Amelian’s,

Does anyone have the exact dimensions for the sail quoted above?

Kind regards

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera, SM007. New Zealand


Re: Onan is not charging the batteries?

 

No lights are on:
image.png

Is the 100 amp battery charger green button pressed down on the 220 volt panel?
image.png

There is a fuse inside the charger:
image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 3:42 PM Arthur Sundqvist <arthur@...> wrote:
Hello !
The Onan Genset is not charging the battries.
All else is working, Clotheswasher, outlet, Isotherm.
The red ledlamp about FUSES is on, and green on .......
Where is the fuse or fuses.
Are they on the batterybank?

Does anybody  know?
How do I solve this?
Thanks for answering me.
We are now in Whangarei NewZaeland, coming all the way from Sweden.
SM435 VISTA
Kindest regards
Arthur Sundqvist


Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Dean Gillies
 

Some really great and focussed information in this thread.

The only thing I would add is that the multiplus 3000/24/70 comes in 2 flavours according to how much AC power you want to pass through.  You have the choice of 16A or 50A.  I think it's a -16 or -50 at the end of the part number. 

If you want to connect all your onboard AC consumers directly to the MP3000 then you will most likely need the -50 model, especially if you have a generator onboard as this can easily generate more than 16A@230V.

If you choose the -16 model, and have a generator bigger than about 3.6kW then you cannot pass the gen/shore AC power directly through the MP3000 since the generator can produce more than 16A (even though shore power may be restricted to 16A). The solution is not difficult (extra switching read) but personally I think it's more elegant to have the boat AC panel powered completely through the MP.

Obviously the MP3000 cannot power every AC consumer simultaneously, it maxes out around 2.5kW and will shut down.  No big deal.  If you really need to have more than 2.5kW continuously then simply turn on the generator. 
I am currently still assessing whether I need a second MP to give me about 5KW continuously. After last season cruising, I don't think I do, but it's an easy addition if I change my mind.

As you see there are a few more things to think about when you change out a charger for an inverter/charger!

Cheers
Dean
SV Stella
A54-154

Ps Dan, thanks for the data points regarding the 65/70A charging. I observed this last season on my system, but had not given it much thought. 

 


Onan is not charging the batteries?

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Hello !
The Onan Genset is not charging the battries.
All else is working, Clotheswasher, outlet, Isotherm.
The red ledlamp about FUSES is on, and green on .......
Where is the fuse or fuses.
Are they on the batterybank?

Does anybody  know?
How do I solve this?
Thanks for answering me.
We are now in Whangarei NewZaeland, coming all the way from Sweden.
SM435 VISTA
Kindest regards
Arthur Sundqvist


Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Dan Carlson
 

I think it is worth adding my experience as well.

I replaced my Dolphin 100amp charger with a Victron Multi-Plus 3000/70/24 inverter/charger.
I chose to use the existing cables from the 100amp charger. They are not labeled but they are at least 50mm (between 1 and 0 guage) size. The Victron manual recommends 1x50mm for up to 5 meter run, and 2x50mm for 5-10 meter run (sum of positive and negative wire length). The run from the battery switch to the Multi-Plus is about 5 meters each way (10 meter run length), so arguably the 2x50mm is in line with Victron recommendation. However one 50mm cable is well within the ABYC standards. 
Now a bit of theory: cable size versus current is based on 1) resistance causing overheating and 2) voltage drop across the cable (also due to resistance over the length). Two small of a cable size can lead to overheating and fire. But the longer the cable run for even an appropriately sized cable will create a voltage drop across the run that can impact performance. That larger voltage drop is due to higher resistance across the run, but the heat generated from that resistance is also dissipated across the longer run. The wire does not get hotter because the run is longer.   Also: if fire was clearly a risk, then ABYC would not allow a 300amp fuse on a 50mm guage wire. 

So what is my experience with my application:
1) charging - in my application I have set my Victron Multi-Plus with two internal limits: a) I derated the charging limit to 65amps. The 70amp Victron capacity is based on optimal cooling of the unit. You don't get this in the Amel engine room! When I first installed the unit I quickly saw that it did not put out 70amps for long before the fan came on and it started internally cutting back on the charge output. By lowering the initial charge output I may protect the unit a bit from the heat stress (actually after an hour with generator and watermaker and Multi-Plus running in the engine room the Victron output will still drop to about 60amps). This charge limit also gives me a few extra amps capacity when I'm running the generator to comfortably run the water maker and perhaps the water heater or washing machine (after the heat cycle has completed). The bottom line is that the maximum charge current is 65 amps. 
2) inverter - my highest load appliance is a water kettle which pulls right at 100amps from the battery for the minute that it takes to heat a pot of water. My induction hob pulls about 70amps from the battery at the higher settings (cycling up and down when temp is achieved). The washing machine heat cycle pulls about 70amps (cycling in and off during the first 5 minutes of the wash cycle). Nothing to overheat a 50mm guage wire!

As for the voltage drop? When I have run the water kettle in the morning with a 25% SOC on my Li battery bank, the battery voltage at the bank Victron BMV reading dropped from about 26.0v to 25.5v by the end of the heating cycle. The difference between the voltage reading from the BMV and the voltage reading from my Victron Multi-Plus was about 0.2 volts. So that's less than a 1% voltage drop. 
On the charging side it is critical that you provide the Multi-Plus with the battery voltage from the shunt at the battery to optimize your charging (particularly if you are charging Li batteries.

My Amel SM was originally equipped with an inverter and circuit. I used that wiring for the output from my Multi-Plus. And the circuit runs through a junction box behind the 230v panel and I installed a 3way switch that allows me to supply power from the inverter to the 230 panel to run the water heater (600watts), dishwasher or AC ...

I hope that helps simplify things for some SM owners considering the Multi-Plus 3000/70/24.  

I'm happy to answer any additional questions. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe SM #387

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 12:04 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
I have installed Victron inverter/chargers on several Super Maramus now.  It is not a drop in replacement.  An inverter/charger is just different beast than a straight charger.  The DC wires to the Victron will need to be larger than those used for the 100 Amp Dolphin, for example, fused differently, and the AC wiring from the transfer switch needs to be at least rerouted, complete with breakers.  If you have a high output generator (> 6KVA) there will also be quite a few design decisions to be made about what runs off the generator, what runs off the inverter, and what runs off either.  Implementing those decisions can be require quite a bit of rewiring of the AC distribution panel. The ease of the mechanical installation varies a lot from one SM to another depending on how the original equipment was installed. In the case of our older Amel, the Victron pretty much just bolted right into the mounting bracket for the original large Dolphin.  New boats required a bit more creativity.

All those complications aside, the Victron inverter chargers are fantastic pieces of kit.  They really do add a lot to the livability of the boat. In my experience, they have been very reliable.

I would not suggest mounting any inverter/charger (or large charger, or inverter!) inside the cabin space.  While it is nice to be able to run short cables, these units are (to my ear) quite loud. When inverting or charging they have make a 60 (or 50!) cycle hum that I find very annoying, and when pushed hard enough to run the cooling fans they would drive me bananas.  Amel design isolated everything possible that smelled, vibrated, or made noise in the engine room. I’d encourage you to continue that.  For the best possible installation, use rubber isolation mounts to prevent transferring that noise to the hull structure. It’s a minor detail, but it’s the accumulation of minor details like that make an Amel special.

When running new cables from the battery to the engine room, you do not need to dig out the potting material used in the original wiring installation.  Every SM I have worked on has had room to add wires into the engine room above the existing potting.  Drill a hole in the bulkhead large enough for a short piece of pvc pipe just a bit larger in diameter than the wire, glue the pipe in place in the bulkhead, run the wire(s) through the pipe, and once done, fill the space around the wire with low expansion urethane foam.  Fully water proof, and air tight.  If the wires are large (which they likely will be) one hole per wire can be a better solution than one huge hole.  That process sounds simple, and it is, but the limited space involved can require some unusual tools.

Just as a bit of something to keep in mind:  High Amperage DC wiring causes far more boat fires than propane.  It should be done with good care and understanding of the issues involved.  Shortcuts should not be taken.  A Victron 3000 Watt inverter can easily draw 130 Amps, and are typically fused at 200A. The wiring and connections for that much current need to be done with care.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Black Point Harbour, Exumas, Bahamas


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Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Bill Kinney
 

I have installed Victron inverter/chargers on several Super Maramus now.  It is not a drop in replacement.  An inverter/charger is just different beast than a straight charger.  The DC wires to the Victron will need to be larger than those used for the 100 Amp Dolphin, for example, fused differently, and the AC wiring from the transfer switch needs to be at least rerouted, complete with breakers.  If you have a high output generator (> 6KVA) there will also be quite a few design decisions to be made about what runs off the generator, what runs off the inverter, and what runs off either.  Implementing those decisions can be require quite a bit of rewiring of the AC distribution panel. The ease of the mechanical installation varies a lot from one SM to another depending on how the original equipment was installed. In the case of our older Amel, the Victron pretty much just bolted right into the mounting bracket for the original large Dolphin.  New boats required a bit more creativity.

All those complications aside, the Victron inverter chargers are fantastic pieces of kit.  They really do add a lot to the livability of the boat. In my experience, they have been very reliable.

I would not suggest mounting any inverter/charger (or large charger, or inverter!) inside the cabin space.  While it is nice to be able to run short cables, these units are (to my ear) quite loud. When inverting or charging they have make a 60 (or 50!) cycle hum that I find very annoying, and when pushed hard enough to run the cooling fans they would drive me bananas.  Amel design isolated everything possible that smelled, vibrated, or made noise in the engine room. I’d encourage you to continue that.  For the best possible installation, use rubber isolation mounts to prevent transferring that noise to the hull structure. It’s a minor detail, but it’s the accumulation of minor details like that make an Amel special.

When running new cables from the battery to the engine room, you do not need to dig out the potting material used in the original wiring installation.  Every SM I have worked on has had room to add wires into the engine room above the existing potting.  Drill a hole in the bulkhead large enough for a short piece of pvc pipe just a bit larger in diameter than the wire, glue the pipe in place in the bulkhead, run the wire(s) through the pipe, and once done, fill the space around the wire with low expansion urethane foam.  Fully water proof, and air tight.  If the wires are large (which they likely will be) one hole per wire can be a better solution than one huge hole.  That process sounds simple, and it is, but the limited space involved can require some unusual tools.

Just as a bit of something to keep in mind:  High Amperage DC wiring causes far more boat fires than propane.  It should be done with good care and understanding of the issues involved.  Shortcuts should not be taken.  A Victron 3000 Watt inverter can easily draw 130 Amps, and are typically fused at 200A. The wiring and connections for that much current need to be done with care.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Black Point Harbour, Exumas, Bahamas


Re: Size PSY PSS shaftseal

Dirk Hazenoot Maramu Huli 171
 

Thanks a lot Ken. I think with a lot off soap i can fit te 54 mm version. 


Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Bertrand Quénot
 

Hi Steve,
We did the same before starting our circumnavigation as we wanted to get permanent 220V from all the outlets and use the kitchen devices (boiler, toaster, coffee machine) without turning the generator on.
It didn’t work well at the beginning and we had a temperature alarm that stopped the Vitron after a while.
We had a Victron certified guy on board in the West Indies and it appeared that the electrician who as installed it has forgotten to connect the temperature sensor with the batteries.
Since then it worked well.
We learned as well that we can use the Victron and the 30A charger together with no harm as the Victron alone is less powerful to load the batteries than the former 100A.
Hope this could help
Bertrand
SV ANTINEA A53#43
Galapagos


Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Richard Dallett
 

 

 

Steve, I just changed my 2 Mastervolt chargers on my Amel 54 for 2 Victron 24/3000/70’s and digging out the material that runs from the engine room to the battery box was a bear, which had to be done to run 4/0 cables due to the inverter loads. No easy task, but I managed.

 

Richard Dallett

Mamba (A54)


Re: Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Steve

Nice to see you guys recently got some good time out back home in Cape Town.

You may still remember the spot where we placed our Victron Multiplus 2  24/70/3000 on SV Island Pearl II, ie we built a very useful Printer desk shelf in the wet locker (which we never used for clothes) and this same Inverter/Charger sat underneath that where it could breathe with good airflow, and from where the large battery cables were less than 1 meter long (max) direct to the rear of the main battery switches. We then placed the remote controller head height above the Dishwasher so never had to switch it under the printer table..

You do need an electrician for this as one also needs to loop a decent size AC cable between the main AC trip switch and the Multiplus.

Our reason for this was to minimize the cable lengths for more efficient inverting and charging. Once we installed that we never used the two Dolphins again but simply left them in place. If you want to still use them as a backup then you need to wire them via the "B" Port on the Victron so they can only charge when shore power is connected, ie don't try to charge from the inverter loop!

This worked so well for us with all the solar that we barely ever used the Genset anymore after this was set up. It took cruising to a whole new level, and we now have the same unit similarly fitted to our land RV.

Best of luck with it.


Colin
ex 2001 SM - SV Island Pearl II
Brisbane, Australia


On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 5:29 PM Steve Bell <stevejb59@...> wrote:
Hi All,
          I intend replacing my Dolphin 100amp charger with a Victron multiplus 2  24/70/3000 , for all who have done this is it just a straight swop or is there anything I need to be aware of.


Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk 378



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Victron multiplus 2 24v/70/3000

Steve Bell
 

Hi All,
          I intend replacing my Dolphin 100amp charger with a Victron multiplus 2  24/70/3000 , for all who have done this is it just a straight swop or is there anything I need to be aware of.


Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk 378

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