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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
Good point.
________________________________ From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 10:15:55 AM Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Eric, I purchased one of those load testers to test my last set of batteries. Most tested very good. However when I opened the batteries up many cells were almost totally dry. I believe the battery load tester is not the thing to use for deep cycle batteries as they are developed for starting batteries. I had a crewmember on board who spent 11 years in a submarine. They use deep cycle batteries. He said they only is to use a hydrometer on wet cell deep cycle batteries. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:50 AM To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread. Eric Mamaru 105 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ <mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> orange.fr> To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv and Eric, Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Eric,
I purchased one of those load testers to test my last set of batteries. Most tested very good. However when I opened the batteries up many cells were almost totally dry. I believe the battery load tester is not the thing to use for deep cycle batteries as they are developed for starting batteries. I had a crewmember on board who spent 11 years in a submarine. They use deep cycle batteries. He said they only is to use a hydrometer on wet cell deep cycle batteries. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:50 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread. Eric Mamaru 105 ________________________________ From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> orange.fr> To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv and Eric, Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Batteries
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Jean,
Both the “sealed batteries” provided by Amel and their replacements can be opened and have water added . You can also test them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:20 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv and Eric, Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ________________________________ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Howard Berger
This is going to sound really petty and I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of flak for saying this, but can we please start a new thread for this topic? It's making me crazy every time I see, "Hoving To". The correct expression is "Heaving To". One "Heaves To" and then is said to be "Hove To" after the maneuver is accomplished.
Howard Berger s/v JAZZ Maramu 144 To: amelyachtowners@... From: etlindholm@... Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:49:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread. Eric Mamaru 105 ________________________________ From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv and Eric, Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 fvrier 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, Ive had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 charge each pair separately for X minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 measure their voltage after the rest period 5 if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 fvrier 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread.
Eric Mamaru 105 ________________________________ From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv and Eric, Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Jean Boucharlat
Iv and Eric,
Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although some of those can actually be opened). Jean Boucharlat From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ________________________________ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Eric, I may have it on the boat and will be there next week--however, the cost I paid included acquiring and replacing the two cables as well as the rack and pinion so it may not be helpful. Cheers, Ian Pen Azen SM 302
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Iv,
You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Iv, I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ________________________________ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Jean Boucharlat
Iv,
I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound. I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank. The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple: First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V) 1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank 2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V. 3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them) 4 – measure their voltage after the rest period 5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one 6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem. Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong). This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform. All the best, Jean Boucharlat Formerly SM 232 From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, Iv, Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ________________________________ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@... <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> > To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Hi Ian,
Do you recall the approximate cost of the repair? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy Jenkins Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:06 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] Rack and Pinion Hi Eric, I had a problem , not with my rack and pinion, but with a broken cable--once on a Sharki about 16 years ago and the second time on Pen Azen a year ago. The broken cable didn't stop us sailing about 2,300 miles till we got to Guadeloupe to replace it. At the same time the guys in Guadeloupe replaced the rack and pinion--the boat was then 9 years old with about 40,000 miles on the clock. It was not a difficult job except for separating the steering wheel which took a lot of force and care. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hamble To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com From: kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> e.net__________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt. <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/> com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in. My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand. I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah. The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly. If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months. I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem. It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight. Good luck, Kent S/V Kristy SM 243 ________________________________ From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
richard03801@...
We are not on the boat this week when back I will email the instructions on setting the meter when you've got a full charge.
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Be very careful what you lust for when you get over 60 amps you need to start thinking about using two drive belts, two new pulleys on both crank and alternator. We charge for several hours until we get to 26-27 volts. And do it twice a day at sea with everything running. Hope this helps Regards and fair winds Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:55:29 To: <amelyachtowners@...> Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, RIchard, Iv the Amel meter go to 300 remaining I charg in a 35-40 min abb, to get 30-35A more.Iv the voltige gets 24V how long you charge? Rey is a Dolfin I thing? Im thincing to instal a 150A alternator and 80 or 100A battery charge SM223 Fortuna Iv ________________________________ De: "richard03801@..." <richard03801@...> Para: amelyachtowners@... Enviado: jue,4 febrero, 2010 13:31 Asunto: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger. Good luck Richard SM 209 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06 To: <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ________________________________ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy"
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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Eric, I had a problem , not with my rack and pinion, but with a broken cable--once on a Sharki about 16 years ago and the second time on Pen Azen a year ago. The broken cable didn't stop us sailing about 2,300 miles till we got to Guadeloupe to replace it. At the same time the guys in Guadeloupe replaced the rack and pinion--the boat was then 9 years old with about 40,000 miles on the clock. It was not a difficult job except for separating the steering wheel which took a lot of force and care. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hamble
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
Hi, RIchard,
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Iv the Amel meter go to 300 remaining I charg in a 35-40 min abb, to get 30-35A more.Iv the voltige gets 24V how long you charge? Rey is a Dolfin I thing? Im thincing to instal a 150A alternator and 80 or 100A battery charge SM223 Fortuna Iv ________________________________ De: "richard03801@..." <richard03801@...> Para: amelyachtowners@... Enviado: jue,4 febrero, 2010 13:31 Asunto: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger. Good luck Richard SM 209 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06 To: <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ____________ _________ _________ __ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com> Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
richard03801@...
Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger.
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Good luck Richard SM 209 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06 To: <amelyachtowners@...> Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi ,Kent, I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ________________________________ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> Para: amelyachtowners@... Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy"
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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!! Pls explain how youi manage with this. SM223 Fortuna Iv ________________________________ De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> Para: amelyachtowners@... Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28 Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to" Hi, John, et al, I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat? Thanks, Kent SM 243 "Kristy"
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Re: [Amel] Re: Isotherm refrigerators
Ivan Campbell <i-campbell@...>
I believe that the fridge in the Santorin is the CR 100 Can anyone
confirm Ivan Ocean Hobo Ivan Campbell On 3 Feb 2010, at 23:27, "Bob B." <bobbohn@...> wrote: We installed a CR 195 in our Mango and it fit like a glove! We are [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Isotherm refrigerators
Bob B. <bobbohn@...>
We installed a CR 195 in our Mango and it fit like a glove! We are very pleased with its performance and appearance, a very attractive addition to an Amel.
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http://www.isotherm.com/en/product?fixframe=1&produkt=uk_1126 -Bob & Robin -Ces't La Vie -Mango #31
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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion
richard03801@...
Eric we see some surplus grease but that is it. What are the problems you are having? Regards Richard SM 209
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From: "eric" <kimberlite@...> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:28:41 To: <amelyachtowners@...> Subject: [Amel] Rack and Pinion I believe I have a bad steering rack and pinion. has anyone had problems with this on their super maramu? Fair winds eric sm 376 Kimberlite
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Re: [Amel] water heater
murray k. seidel <mseidel@...>
MY WATER HEATER IN SM349 SUFFERED HEAT EXCHANGER FAILURE. Go on internet to
find company in new jersey . It was found under topic Quik-Nautic I believe. They shipped me a replacement at a reasonable price and it was easily installed by us.. I believe it came ups. Murray Seidel From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of kimberlite Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:25 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] water heater Hi, I replaced mine with a isotherm-isotemp. It is available from Budget Marine in the islands. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Danny SIMMS Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 AM To: amel owners Subject: [Amel] water heater Hi All, we are in the US Virgin Islands and our hot water heater tank has sprung a leak. The unit is a Quick Nautic Boiler 40 Litre capacity, 220 volt 1200 watt. Any suggestions as to most economical replacement and given our location where best to try. Regards Danny and Yvonne Ocean Pearl SM 299
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