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Battery/Bow thruster cable size/gauge

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Does anyone know the battery cable size/gauge of the fat cable from the neg shunt and pos.battery terminal to the battery shut off on a 1997 SM.. which I presume is the same as the Bow Thruster cable?  I need to add an inline fuse so need some lugs of the correct size but can't make out what the exiting lugs are.
Ta!


Gray Water Bilge Toggle switch for SN, SM, 54, 55

 

This switch is not exactly the same switch, but is the same manufacturer and will work.

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How to make the above switch work:

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


Re: Qsails

 

Denis,

It is a good question. I do not have any experience with crosscut HydraNet, so the answer you seek needs to come from someone with experience. There is HydraNet and Radial Hydranet. These are different fabrics. The Radial HydraNet is made for TriRadial construction, whereas HydraNet is made for crosscut construction.

This Amel Book Supplement may help you.


Regarding battens and Amels, Incidence Sails in France has more experience than any sailmaker I know with battened sails on Amels. Today, they do not offer a replacement sail with battens for an Amel. I do not recommend batten sails on an Amel because of this:
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Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:05 AM Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello Bill,

May I ask a question that puzzles me :

Cross cut with no battens (or short battens) was said to be the best choice for trouble free in mast furling. To keep a good shape and that good in mast furling properties Hydranet seems to be the optimal choice.

For cross cut battenless sail is Hydranet as good than Hydranet Radial ?

Thanks for sharing all this useful knowledge.

Best regards.

Denis


Re: Qsails

Denis Foster
 
Edited

Hello Bill,

May I ask a question that puzzles me :

Cross cut with no battens (or short battens) was said to be the best choice for trouble free in mast furling. To keep a good shape and that good in mast furling properties Hydranet seems to be the optimal choice.

For cross cut battenless sail is Hydranet as good than Hydranet Radial ?

Thanks for sharing all this useful knowledge.

Best regards.

Denis


Re: FA 50 GPS Rollover Update - Password for Memory Clear

Dean Gillies
 

Ralph, Wolfgang and Billy,
Ok I understand, thank you for your support.
Best regards,
Dean
SV Stella
A540154 


Re: Qsails

 

OK!!

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 5:00 PM Jason Rutledge <jasonrutledge1@...> wrote:
I got an update today.  I ordered Pro radial at the beginning of December 2021.  They apparently have the material and it will be ready to ship next week.  Fingers crossed!
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: Qsails

Jason Rutledge
 

I got an update today.  I ordered Pro radial at the beginning of December 2021.  They apparently have the material and it will be ready to ship next week.  Fingers crossed!
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: FA 50 GPS Rollover Update - Password for Memory Clear

Billy Newport
 

Can confirm this experience on my 55. No password.

Billy
 


Re: FA 50 GPS Rollover Update - Password for Memory Clear

Ralph Heilig
 

Hi All,
you need no User and Password. The Softwareupdate is storing all your stettings at the beginning and then restoring it after the update. I had nothing to manualy set after the update. All parameters as before. 

Here the procedure:


FA50 Update Procedures via PC
1. Preparation
(1) Connect a PC to the FA50 via ethernet connection
(2) Download the FA50 update program archive to your PC, and unzip it.
(3) Open “View Network Connections” from the start menu on PC, and select the “Local area 
connection” and open the properties. 
(4) Select “Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)” in [Networking] tab and open “Properties”. 
(5) Select the radio button “Use the following IP address:” and enter the following IP address and 
the subnet mask information. Setting of Default Gateway or DNS is not required.
a. PC IP Address: 172.31.1.1
b. Subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
 
 
2. Update Procedure
(1) Open the program folder and run the batch file “nUPFA50”. A Command Prompt window will 
open.
(2) Turn on the FA50. Within approximately 10 seconds the message appears saying 
My IPaddress=172.31.1.1
P0>connection IPaddress=172.31.24.3 000%
P0>Now Writing
(3) A boot program for applications automatically starts updating. When finished, a message saying 
P0>connection IPaddress=172.31.24.3 100%
P0>finish upload program. (size=204048) 
The upload should take approximately 20 seconds to complete. 
(4) When the message “Press any key to continue” appears, press any key for the Command 
Prompt to exit. 
(5) Disconnect the unit and it should be up to date.

More Infos:
fa50_update_procedures_via_pc.pdf (furunousa.com)


Here you can download the software:
FA50 (furunousa.com)

Ralph
SY Santa Isabella
A54-144




Re: FW: Please watch

Mark Erdos
 

I think we've all had one of those bolts stuck like he had on the turbocharger :)
_._,_._,_

Great video, thanks for sharing


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia


Re: FA 50 GPS Rollover Update - Password for Memory Clear

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Dean and Ralph,
You are right there are two different passwords. I found one for  service on the internet and it worked ( 6 ? numbers) fine. I have it on the boat in La Rochelle, but I am now in Florida. If it is not too late for you I will be on the  boat back the first days of April and will send it to the group.
Wolfgang  SY Elise Amel 54#162


Re: Qsails

EricOpdeweegh
 

We ordered a ProRadial / -Tri-radial cut with Qsails half september 2021 and after a 6 weeks delay it was delivered finally 19th November, 2021 
So some delay and some difficulty with the import tax but still not to bad in delivery time. 

We hoisted it just to check. All looks great but due winter time we did not sail with it yet.
Reading Bill Kinney's remark the perfromance seems great after 10000 miles, so that is promissing

Rgrds
Eric & Els
sv Abayomi 
Currently in The Netherlands


Re: B&G Forward Scan Transducer Install

Juan de Zulueta
 

I believe I have the normal one.
I installed it two years ago, there was only one version available.

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 3 mars 2022 à 17:06, Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> a écrit :

Thank you. Do you have the normal or the long version of the forward transducer installed?

Eloi

--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: Qsails

Bill Kinney
 

We had our cross cut genoa made from another Dimension Polyant fabric called "ProRadial" instead of Hydranet.  At the time, it had about a 20% cost savings over Hydranet.  After ~10,000 miles we continue to very happy with it's performance.  According to D-P, a sail made with "ProRadial" fabric has slightly higher stretch in normal use than Hydranet, and significantly lower stretch than a cross-cut sail.

I have no idea what the current supply situation is for this fabric, but if you want a radial-cut sail instead of a cross cut one, it might be worth asking your sailmaker about.

We see only a few Amels sailed with enough attention to the finer points of sail trim that would get a much value from the extra cost of Hydranet.  (When was the last time you actually tensioned your halyards when the wind picked up a bit?)

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Amel 55#56 Coder for sale

Billy Newport
 
Edited

She is located in Charleston Harbor Marina Resort. The boat is listed with McMichael.

The boat is ready to go, new Climma DC35 35k btu HCAV, new kvh v7 hts high speed internet, pepwave max transit cellular router to tie everything together, 1150w of Solar with Mastervolt scm60 mppt, Mastervolt Easy view 5 hooked to all charging sources, led lighting, Merlin 2 controllers on fridge/freezers, Volvo 1200 hour service done, Gen 800 hour done and a lot of spares.

Billy


Re: FA 50 GPS Rollover Update - Password for Memory Clear

Ralph Heilig
 

Hi Dean,

you need no special Keyword. Just follow the Furuno Instruction. I did the FA-50 update 2 weeks ago and it was easy and worked fine on my 54. The Furuno GP-150 I did send to Furuno Germany and got it back last week. This week I reinstalled it and all is working functioning now. Also my Furuno Navtex is working good now again...

Ralph
SV SAnta Isabella
A54-144


Re: FW: Please watch

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Amazing
Danny

On 07/03/2022 04:49 Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


Now we know where those “like new” parts on Alibaba, eBay and Amazon come from!  I loved the “I have restored it to original condition” subtitle. 

Brent
On Mar 5, 2022, 9:24 PM -0600, Eric Freedman <kimberlite.ef@...>, wrote:

 


Check out how he rebuilds an engine 5 min and about 33 seconds later in the video.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wZM7qemGM8&list=RDCMUCEaxX1yQlFPmAKbE6AFpBWQ&start_radio=1&rv=4wZM7qemGM8&t=4




--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Amel 54, Phantom for Sale

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Where is she James.  PM me simms@...
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 07/03/2022 05:24 Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:


I just want to let the group know that my Amel 54, Phantom is going to be for sale shortly. I posted a message in the "Yachts for Sale" subgroup for those who might be interested - yachtforsale@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Thanks,
Jamie Wendell
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Qsails

 

David,

Maybe there is no good substitute currently available for triradial cut "mostly unavailable DP Hydranet."


Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 6:43 PM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
David,

Thanks for that. Good analysis. 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 6:30 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Re Bill's suggestion " I suggest changing your order to Nautosphere Voyager"

Please note that, should you elect to go for Nautosphere Voyager, this will mean that you will (or should) end up with cross-cut sails.

This is because Nautosphere Voyager is manufactured with the dyneema running ACROSS the bolt of the fabric, not _along_ the bolt as is the case with Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial.

For the dyneema in Nautosphere Voyager to take the primary loads in the sail (which run roughly vertically), the weft needs to be vertical, meaning that the warp of the fabric needs be aligned horizontally, leading to cross-cut construction.

When compared to an equivalent tri-radial sail, a cross-cut sail has less bulk in the furled sail, because the seams spiral onto the foil/mandrel, meaning fewer overlapping seams.  Also, with fewer seams, there is less work to make the sail, meaning less cost.  The overall pricing should reflect this - our research over the past 6 months indicates that Cross-Cut Nautosphere Voyager should be in the order of 60% the cost of an equivalent Tri-radial HydraNet sail.   This is due also to the fact that Nautosphere Voyager fabric is cheaper than Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial sailcloth.

Thus far, we have been unable to get an unbiased assessment of the Nautosphere Voyager in the kind of use we intend (or for in-mast furling, as opposed to conventional slab-reefing), but we have gotten heaps of marketing wha-wha, and even sail-makers who are very keen to find a customer to try the Nautosphere Voyager out on, so .... we remain unconvinced either way.

In our minds it remains to be seen whether cross-cut sails made from Nautosphere Voyager are as durable and retain their shape as well as tri-radial sails made from 'conventional' polyester +dyneema fabrics (such as Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial or Contender Fibercon-HYBRID Radial).  At 60% the cost, if we get 60% the life, then perhaps this should not matter so much.

Of course, if the preferred sail-cloth is not available at any cost, then there is not much to discuss.

Best,

David
SM#396, Perigee



From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 7:05 am
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Qsails

This is what the owner of QSails says:

The situation is worse than before. Dimension Polyant (DP) can not give any delivery time for HydraNet Radial fabric. I can share the emails if you want. They also increased the prices again.

We ordered plenty of a Hybrid (in December) from Contender but the delivery will be end-April.

None of the sailmakers in global have HydraNet Radial, for now, I checked this personally.

I was just planning to propose a HydraNet Crosscut (with slightly less price than Hydra Net Radial). OR Nautosphere Voyager (with the same price tag as HydraNet Radial).

We and other sailmakers only manufacture with what they can find as a cloth on the market. This is the situation, business is tough nowadays.  

QSails had a pristine reputation with Amel owners prior to COVID. Their quality has always been good and their delivery good until COVID. Most of the problems were caused by suppliers and shippers. I personally know of the DP problems and I know of 2 cases where the shipper lost the shipment to an Amel owner. The most frustrating problem is the only experience QSails had with satisfying customers is delivering faster than the competition and at prices well below any price anywhere for the same product. From my vantage point, this all fell apart when suppliers, especially DP, stopped supplying sailmakers because their raw material supply chain was broken. QSails has been frustrating for owners to communicate with, and QSails has been overwhelmed with calls because of non-delivery from DP.

I suggest changing your order to Nautosphere Voyager is woven with Dyneema as long as QSails has stock and can give you a definite date for production. This sailcloth appears to be even better than DP HydraNet. The difference between the two sailcloths is probably that  Nautosphere Voyager does not have the brand recognition as DP HydraNet. Check it out for yourself and read the test results as compared to DP HydraNet: 
https://www.nautosphere.com/sailcloth

Bill








Re: Qsails

 

David,

Thanks for that. Good analysis. 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 6:30 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Re Bill's suggestion " I suggest changing your order to Nautosphere Voyager"

Please note that, should you elect to go for Nautosphere Voyager, this will mean that you will (or should) end up with cross-cut sails.

This is because Nautosphere Voyager is manufactured with the dyneema running ACROSS the bolt of the fabric, not _along_ the bolt as is the case with Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial.

For the dyneema in Nautosphere Voyager to take the primary loads in the sail (which run roughly vertically), the weft needs to be vertical, meaning that the warp of the fabric needs be aligned horizontally, leading to cross-cut construction.

When compared to an equivalent tri-radial sail, a cross-cut sail has less bulk in the furled sail, because the seams spiral onto the foil/mandrel, meaning fewer overlapping seams.  Also, with fewer seams, there is less work to make the sail, meaning less cost.  The overall pricing should reflect this - our research over the past 6 months indicates that Cross-Cut Nautosphere Voyager should be in the order of 60% the cost of an equivalent Tri-radial HydraNet sail.   This is due also to the fact that Nautosphere Voyager fabric is cheaper than Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial sailcloth.

Thus far, we have been unable to get an unbiased assessment of the Nautosphere Voyager in the kind of use we intend (or for in-mast furling, as opposed to conventional slab-reefing), but we have gotten heaps of marketing wha-wha, and even sail-makers who are very keen to find a customer to try the Nautosphere Voyager out on, so .... we remain unconvinced either way.

In our minds it remains to be seen whether cross-cut sails made from Nautosphere Voyager are as durable and retain their shape as well as tri-radial sails made from 'conventional' polyester +dyneema fabrics (such as Dimension-Polyant HYDRANET Radial or Contender Fibercon-HYBRID Radial).  At 60% the cost, if we get 60% the life, then perhaps this should not matter so much.

Of course, if the preferred sail-cloth is not available at any cost, then there is not much to discuss.

Best,

David
SM#396, Perigee



From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 7:05 am
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Qsails

This is what the owner of QSails says:

The situation is worse than before. Dimension Polyant (DP) can not give any delivery time for HydraNet Radial fabric. I can share the emails if you want. They also increased the prices again.

We ordered plenty of a Hybrid (in December) from Contender but the delivery will be end-April.

None of the sailmakers in global have HydraNet Radial, for now, I checked this personally.

I was just planning to propose a HydraNet Crosscut (with slightly less price than Hydra Net Radial). OR Nautosphere Voyager (with the same price tag as HydraNet Radial).

We and other sailmakers only manufacture with what they can find as a cloth on the market. This is the situation, business is tough nowadays.  

QSails had a pristine reputation with Amel owners prior to COVID. Their quality has always been good and their delivery good until COVID. Most of the problems were caused by suppliers and shippers. I personally know of the DP problems and I know of 2 cases where the shipper lost the shipment to an Amel owner. The most frustrating problem is the only experience QSails had with satisfying customers is delivering faster than the competition and at prices well below any price anywhere for the same product. From my vantage point, this all fell apart when suppliers, especially DP, stopped supplying sailmakers because their raw material supply chain was broken. QSails has been frustrating for owners to communicate with, and QSails has been overwhelmed with calls because of non-delivery from DP.

I suggest changing your order to Nautosphere Voyager is woven with Dyneema as long as QSails has stock and can give you a definite date for production. This sailcloth appears to be even better than DP HydraNet. The difference between the two sailcloths is probably that  Nautosphere Voyager does not have the brand recognition as DP HydraNet. Check it out for yourself and read the test results as compared to DP HydraNet: 
https://www.nautosphere.com/sailcloth

Bill







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