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Galley fridge failing

karkauai
 

Hi all, hope everyone is getting back out on the water after a rather bizarre two years.
Our galley fridge isn't keeping things cold enough any more.  I've had it worked on several times over the last 10 years and think it may be time to consider a new fridge.  It has always run waaay more than the boxes under the dinette seats, and I suspect it doesn't have efficient insulation.
I read Mark's fix from a few years ago, but I've spent enough money and time on this unit that I could have bought a new one and saved the money and headaches.

Has anyone replaced the upright galley fridge with a new fridge-only unit?  Drawers vs upright?  What model?

I think I could make/install wooden panels that would keep the original look.
I don't want to get into plumbing for a water cooled unit.

Thanks for any help.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Test

karkauai
 

Test

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Sharki engine replacement

Lance Leonard
 

The yard is finishing installation of a Beta 62T in our Maramu. The only hiccup was the motor mounts, I had the engine shipped with the 22” wide mounts which fit the engine bed but wouldn’t allow enough adjustment to align the engine. S new mounts were fabricated as well as modifications to the engine bed.


Re: Foresail Halyard Wrapping and/or Jamming

Matt Salatino
 

I need to adjust my previous comment about 2, A50’s experiencing halyard wrap. After discussing in that group, at least 4 people admitted to having this issue.


Re: Amel 39 #newboat

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...>
 

Hey Adi
Yes 39/41 are the same i think the rick is the same too , by the 41 Amel pulls the hull in the heck area , so you have a litte box in the last 30 cm for fender ore other things

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Re: Amel 39 #newboat

Adi Hirzer.
 

Hi JB, 
yes, Renault Couach it is. 
ok, sounds like parts are not a nightmare to find. good to know. 
thanks a lot. 
Adi


Re: Amel 39 #newboat

Adi Hirzer.
 

Hey Elja, yes, this is the 39. mizzen boom protruding over stern. 

somebody said 39 and 41 are the same but the 41 is a bit longer aft. 
thank you for the picture. 



Re: DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

Andreas Stuben
 
Edited

Thank you all.  I did inquire about the gauge at dessalator.com in France based on a recommendation from Bill Rouse.  I received a quote for 62 Euro for a Wika gauge 100 bar plus 60 Euro shipping.  I probably go this route or just get a gauge that matches the technical spec.  I do prefer the color coded scale if possible as anyone on board including guests or my mom will understand "green is good".

TDS meter is on the way, at about $13 on Amazon that was an easy decision.
--
Michael SM078
Currently Tahiti French Polynesia


Re: Foresail Halyard Wrapping and/or Jamming

 

Bill,

Here is a photo of the top of a mast that likely needs constant surveillance regarding halyard wrap. 
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And here is a photo of halyard wrap about to happen, although probably it already has.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 11:23 AM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
I'll limit my comments to SM and 54, because those are the only Amels I have experience with.  For those boats, the comments from Amel and Bill R. are 100% correct. Any mistake with extra halyards (including the balooner halyard!) can lead to a wrap. and that can cause all kinds of trouble. No spare halyards of ANY flavor should ever be stored on the bow pulpit--EVER. Even at the dock, it is just too easy to forget to move them.  It would also be a very bad idea to ever run the genoa furler when a spinnaker or other extra sail is deployed.  None of these comments are at all unique to the Amel furling system, halyard wraps are a problem that needs addressing with EVERY roller furling headsail.

A halyard wrap is the only way I have seen to twist the rods that are used to stop the rotation of the upper part of the swivel that is connected to the genoa halyard.  Under normal use these rods have only trivial loads, they don't fail from time or use, they fail when somebody makes a mistake and wraps a halyard. 

If these rods are noticed to be twisted, the genoa should be either taken down (if it is unfurled) or left furled.  The furling motor should NOT be run until the cause of this has been understood, and someone has inspected the swivel and head stay.  If these rods have been twisted, it is very likely that the key that locates the lower part of the swivel in line with the balooner track has been sheared off.  When this happens the ability to lock the balooner mouse into the latch becomes a matter of luck as the latch rotates independent of the foil tracks.

If the swivel is tangled with second halyard, or is jammed for some other reason, the failure of this key allows the foil to rotate inside the swivel.  It's not a very free rotation, but it does limit the amount of torque that the furler can impart to the halyards tangled around the head stay.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: Foresail Halyard Wrapping and/or Jamming

Bill Kinney
 

I'll limit my comments to SM and 54, because those are the only Amels I have experience with.  For those boats, the comments from Amel and Bill R. are 100% correct. Any mistake with extra halyards (including the balooner halyard!) can lead to a wrap. and that can cause all kinds of trouble. No spare halyards of ANY flavor should ever be stored on the bow pulpit--EVER. Even at the dock, it is just too easy to forget to move them.  It would also be a very bad idea to ever run the genoa furler when a spinnaker or other extra sail is deployed.  None of these comments are at all unique to the Amel furling system, halyard wraps are a problem that needs addressing with EVERY roller furling headsail.

A halyard wrap is the only way I have seen to twist the rods that are used to stop the rotation of the upper part of the swivel that is connected to the genoa halyard.  Under normal use these rods have only trivial loads, they don't fail from time or use, they fail when somebody makes a mistake and wraps a halyard. 

If these rods are noticed to be twisted, the genoa should be either taken down (if it is unfurled) or left furled.  The furling motor should NOT be run until the cause of this has been understood, and someone has inspected the swivel and head stay.  If these rods have been twisted, it is very likely that the key that locates the lower part of the swivel in line with the balooner track has been sheared off.  When this happens the ability to lock the balooner mouse into the latch becomes a matter of luck as the latch rotates independent of the foil tracks.

If the swivel is tangled with second halyard, or is jammed for some other reason, the failure of this key allows the foil to rotate inside the swivel.  It's not a very free rotation, but it does limit the amount of torque that the furler can impart to the halyards tangled around the head stay.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:46 AM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Running a watermaker without an accurate pressure gauge is truly flying blind.  Proper pressure is key to running these properly.  My guess is that there is something wrong with the gauge.  It looks like it has been removed in the past, the orientation is not what I would expect for the factory installation.

You are unlikely to find EXACTLY that gauge style, the color coded dial is a Dessalator special.  But any gauge for the right pressure range will work.  Pressure gauges like this are pretty standard in sizes and connections. Once you have it disassembled and in hand, matching with something commercially available should be pretty easy.  The normal working pressure for these membranes is about 50 bar, maximum rated pressure is 60 bar, and the watermaker should shut down at 65 bar.  I would chose a gauge with a maximum pressure rating of 75 0r 80 bar to get a good measuring range.  The option is to get it from Dessalator, if they can still get one of these the price they charge will make your eyes water.

On older units Dessalator  used gauges with real numbers so you could actually understand what was happening. I guess they figured that was too complicated and users couldn't be trusted with that information.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

Bill Kinney
 

Running a watermaker without an accurate pressure gauge is truly flying blind.  Proper pressure is key to running these properly.  My guess is that there is something wrong with the gauge.  It looks like it has been removed in the past, the orientation is not what I would expect for the factory installation.

You are unlikely to find EXACTLY that gauge style, the color coded dial is a Dessalator special.  But any gauge for the right pressure range will work.  Pressure gauges like this are pretty standard in sizes and connections. Once you have it disassembled and in hand, matching with something commercially available should be pretty easy.  The normal working pressure for these membranes is about 50 bar, maximum rated pressure is 60 bar, and the watermaker should shut down at 65 bar.  I would chose a gauge with a maximum pressure rating of 75 0r 80 bar to get a good measuring range.  The option is to get it from Dessalator, if they can still get one of these the price they charge will make your eyes water.

On older units Dessalator  used gauges with real numbers so you could actually understand what was happening. I guess they figured that was too complicated and users couldn't be trusted with that information.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: Sharki engine replacement

Damon Cofer
 

So from what I'm hearing is, that unless something major happens like cracking the block, you can rebuild the Perkins forever(?). Thanks to all!
D

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 09:57 Walter van Grieken <Vangriekenbladel@...> wrote:
Hello
i'm walter
are the proud owners of an amel sharki
we got an overhauled perkins 4108 last year
put back in our ship
did it myself
costs 3250
I bought the bike in the Netherlands
If you want I can put you in touch with the mechanic
greetings walter

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 11 mrt. 2022 om 14:40 heeft Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode@...> het volgende geschreven:

Very eager to get more informations about that task. I still have the old 4108 Perkins and either it will be repaired or replaced. Is the Beta 43 simple like the Perkins e.g. without electronics?
Reason to repair or replace the Perkins is some oil getting through the valve guidance of inlet or outlet valves and so the old Perkins uses some oil refill and smokes. But otherwise the engine runs fine, starts immediately and so I hesitated to do something. You know the rule: Never change a running system.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently North Sea, Germany


Re: Sharki engine replacement

Walter van Grieken
 

Hello
i'm walter
are the proud owners of an amel sharki
we got an overhauled perkins 4108 last year
put back in our ship
did it myself
costs 3250
I bought the bike in the Netherlands
If you want I can put you in touch with the mechanic
greetings walter

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 11 mrt. 2022 om 14:40 heeft Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode@...> het volgende geschreven:

Very eager to get more informations about that task. I still have the old 4108 Perkins and either it will be repaired or replaced. Is the Beta 43 simple like the Perkins e.g. without electronics?
Reason to repair or replace the Perkins is some oil getting through the valve guidance of inlet or outlet valves and so the old Perkins uses some oil refill and smokes. But otherwise the engine runs fine, starts immediately and so I hesitated to do something. You know the rule: Never change a running system.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently North Sea, Germany


Re: Sharki engine replacement

Gerhard Mueller
 

Very eager to get more informations about that task. I still have the old 4108 Perkins and either it will be repaired or replaced. Is the Beta 43 simple like the Perkins e.g. without electronics?
Reason to repair or replace the Perkins is some oil getting through the valve guidance of inlet or outlet valves and so the old Perkins uses some oil refill and smokes. But otherwise the engine runs fine, starts immediately and so I hesitated to do something. You know the rule: Never change a running system.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently North Sea, Germany


Re: Sharki engine replacement

Damon Cofer
 

Hey David,
I may need to do just that. Did it work? cost? where did you get it done?


Re: DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Michael;

 

I’m not familiar with the D60. On our 150L/Hr A/C water maker, we have a similar looking HP gauge. The gauge is connected to the pressurized side of the HP pump, with a small diameter hose. This hose and sometimes the pressure gauge itself, can get buildup and prevent the gauge from working properly. I would suggest first just removing and cleaning the gauge itself and testing. If this does not work, locate the small diameter hose from the HP pump to the gauge and replace, if possible, or clean. I believe the gauge itself is fairly robust and of a simple design. The main issue we have seen has been buildup that prevents the proper operation. Therefore changing the gauge may or may not resolve the problem, and if it does, it may be temporary. By removing and inspecting the condition, I think you will have a better answer as to how to resolve the issue. It is probably a good idea to have a spare, nonetheless. We have purchased one directly from Dessalator.

 

Please keep in mind that our experience is on a different unit that may or may not apply to yours.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Stuben via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

 

Hello all;

our D60 water maker appears to run fine even so the TDS seems to be high in the first few minutes based on taste.  I do not yet have a device to test TDS but will get one soon.

My concern right now is the gauge shown below.  When powered off the gauge sits above zero which I likely makes it inaccurate but it seems to function somewhat.

Can anyone suggest a direct replacement that I can easily obtain in the US or PF?  Anything to look out for besides unbolt/install?

--
Michael SM078
Currently Tahiti French Polynesia


DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

Andreas Stuben
 

Hello all;
our D60 water maker appears to run fine even so the TDS seems to be high in the first few minutes based on taste.  I do not yet have a device to test TDS but will get one soon.
My concern right now is the gauge shown below.  When powered off the gauge sits above zero which I likely makes it inaccurate but it seems to function somewhat.
Can anyone suggest a direct replacement that I can easily obtain in the US or PF?  Anything to look out for besides unbolt/install?
--
Michael SM078
Currently Tahiti French Polynesia


Re: DESSALATOR D60 gauge question - replacement gauge

 

I would order the gauge from Contact@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 12:28 PM Michael Stuben <stuben@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello all;
our D60 water maker appears to run fine even so the TDS seems to be high in the first few minutes based on taste.  I do not yet have a device to test TDS but will get one soon.
My concern right now is the gauge shown below.  When powered off the gauge sits above zero which I likely makes it inaccurate but it seems to function somewhat.
Can anyone suggest a direct replacement that I can easily obtain in the US or PF?  Anything to look out for besides unbolt/install?


--
Michael SM078
Currently Tahiti French Polynesia


Greetings!

Damon Cofer
 

New to group so I thought I would introduce myself. I am Damon Cofer currently living in North Carolina, USA. I hope to be an Amel owner soon which is in Malaysia. I have done many things in my life but only a little of what I hope will be the next and extended chapter, Sailing/cruising. 
I have one pressing question- where would be a good boat yard in Malaysia? I plan on doing as much work as I can on the new-to-me boat but where the boat is now does not seem to have services to a great extent. Suggestions? 
Thanks to all!
Cheers!
D

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