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Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Rick Stanley
 

Thanks man I'll look into it. Much appreciated.

Rick Stanley

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ian Fraser <keyproperties@...>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 5:53:43 AM
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Cc: Ian Fraser <keyproperties@...>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K Dodger Overhead Light
 
Rick, there’s not much info on here but so far ours have been good. Only been in place about 3 months.

Ian



On 16 May 2022, at 01:08, Vladan SV PAME <vladan.bojic@...> wrote:

Ian,

do you know what brand of the led bulbs you got? I bought Osculati https://www.osculati.com/en/11436-14.450.34/led-smd-bulb-whitered-24-v but not happy how they perform. In beginning worked well but after month or so I need to switch it on / off for more then 10 times in order to change color from red to white.

Rick,

You don't need 3 way selector switch. Those bi-color led works on normal on / off switch.

Best Regards,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


locked Re: tb/AMEL 54 outhaul protector burn out Mid Atlantic/AYOG

Brent Cameron
 

Tuen, as was pointed out (correctly) here a few weeks ago, fuses and circuit breakers are NOT designed to protect the load device but protect the wire going to it. I don’t know the size of the wire that this fuse is protecting (it would be the wire between the fuse and the load) but if you can measure the diameter and ensure it’s copper, a quick look up will give you the amps that wire can safely carry at the specified voltage.   I strongly believe that a 100A breaker would be too big if the original was 40-55A. Installing this could have the same impact as no fuse or circuit breaker at all and could result in the wire melting and a fire.   

A few decades ago there was an Air Canada pilot who noticed that the toilet pump in the rear lavatory  on his jet was popping the circuit breaker so kept resetting it so the passengers could use it and this resulted in an inflight fire, emergency landing and significant number of deaths.   

The long and the short of it is that this breaker very likely tripped because there was something wrong with the circuit and not because it was underside for the wires. The fact that it emitted a lot of smoke tends to confirm that. 

I’d figure out the size/gauge of the smallest wire between the breaker and the load, do a look up to see what current it can safely carry and ensure that it is more than 100A before I’d even dream of installing that as it wouldn’t be much better than bypassing it altogether if it isn’t (other than the ability to shut the circuit down manually).   

I would also be VERY careful even if installing a new one of the same size to figure out why the original failed rather than tripped. Could it be a bad connection at the breaker or at the load? An internal short in the load?    Is there some issue with the load causing it to draw way more current than normal?  To measure the current draw, you need a clamp on type Ammeter capable of measuring DC Amps of that size). Most of the cheap knock off meters can’t do that but good ones like Flukes can.     

Twin, please tell Arno NOT to install the 100A breaker until you or someone here can confirm it isn’t too big for the wires.  A fire at sea is all our worst nightmares.    

Brent

On May 16, 2022, 5:33 AM -0400, Teun BAAS <teun@...>, wrote:
A friend of mine (Arno) is currently with his A54 (#122) 1200 NM into his passage to the AZORES and texted me this afternoon that the main outhaul protector burned. This protector is behind a panel next to the breakers in the bulkhead of the Guest cabin. There are 2 black protectors: he informed me that he has a 55A and a 40A. At this point I don't know which one burned. He also confirmed he had the Purple spare 100A fuse which he is going to plug in in the morning (the burn out happened during the night). 
He also told me that there was a massive amount of smoke & stench and feels that somebody sleeping in that cabin could have died from smoke inhalation.

BTW - one of the reasons I installed 3 smoke & carbon etc. detectors in the boat 2 weeks ago. 

On my A54 (#128) there is a heavy black spot of charred wood at the top left corner of the protector closest to the cabinet (the left one) - this was there from the original owner. I now remember that in 2018/2019 I had a malfunctioning protector and ordered from AMEL a new protector and they sent a 75A black box. I now also remember that on installation of this new 75A protector (in NEW CALEDONIA) it didn't work and we used the Purple 100A fuse between the white and the orange wire and it worked fine.

Until today, when I checked for Arno, I completely forgot about this happening and noticed today that I carry in that compartment 3 spare Purple 100 A  fuses. The other (right hand side) black box protector on my boat is 55Amp and appears to be original. 

This would mean that AMEL changed the 45A protector into a 75A protector????

Arno remembers a discussion on the forum on this A54 protector burn out but has no access to the internet/Forum. Can anybody actually familiar with this issue tell us their experience; what caused it and what to do other than using the 100A fuse.

Discussing with an AMEL 53 couple laying right next to me here in the Marina they remarked that a 100A fuse is a massive, massive fuse - what are the potential consequences using this (AMEL installed spare) fuse?

Thanks for the help

Teun
SV AMELIT #128
HOPE ISALND, QLD, AUSTRALIA 

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Ian Fraser
 

Rick, there’s not much info on here but so far ours have been good. Only been in place about 3 months.

Ian



On 16 May 2022, at 01:08, Vladan SV PAME <vladan.bojic@...> wrote:

Ian,

do you know what brand of the led bulbs you got? I bought Osculati https://www.osculati.com/en/11436-14.450.34/led-smd-bulb-whitered-24-v but not happy how they perform. In beginning worked well but after month or so I need to switch it on / off for more then 10 times in order to change color from red to white.

Rick,

You don't need 3 way selector switch. Those bi-color led works on normal on / off switch.

Best Regards,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


locked tb/AMEL 54 outhaul protector burn out Mid Atlantic/AYOG

Teun BAAS
 

A friend of mine (Arno) is currently with his A54 (#122) 1200 NM into his passage to the AZORES and texted me this afternoon that the main outhaul protector burned. This protector is behind a panel next to the breakers in the bulkhead of the Guest cabin. There are 2 black protectors: he informed me that he has a 55A and a 40A. At this point I don't know which one burned. He also confirmed he had the Purple spare 100A fuse which he is going to plug in in the morning (the burn out happened during the night). 
He also told me that there was a massive amount of smoke & stench and feels that somebody sleeping in that cabin could have died from smoke inhalation.

BTW - one of the reasons I installed 3 smoke & carbon etc. detectors in the boat 2 weeks ago. 

On my A54 (#128) there is a heavy black spot of charred wood at the top left corner of the protector closest to the cabinet (the left one) - this was there from the original owner. I now remember that in 2018/2019 I had a malfunctioning protector and ordered from AMEL a new protector and they sent a 75A black box. I now also remember that on installation of this new 75A protector (in NEW CALEDONIA) it didn't work and we used the Purple 100A fuse between the white and the orange wire and it worked fine.

Until today, when I checked for Arno, I completely forgot about this happening and noticed today that I carry in that compartment 3 spare Purple 100 A  fuses. The other (right hand side) black box protector on my boat is 55Amp and appears to be original. 

This would mean that AMEL changed the 45A protector into a 75A protector????

Arno remembers a discussion on the forum on this A54 protector burn out but has no access to the internet/Forum. Can anybody actually familiar with this issue tell us their experience; what caused it and what to do other than using the 100A fuse.

Discussing with an AMEL 53 couple laying right next to me here in the Marina they remarked that a 100A fuse is a massive, massive fuse - what are the potential consequences using this (AMEL installed spare) fuse?

Thanks for the help

Teun
SV AMELIT #128
HOPE ISALND, QLD, AUSTRALIA 


New mainsail from Qsails

Nick Newington
 

Nice job
Good service
Competitive price
Nick
S/Y Amelia
Amel 54-019 Fethiye bay


Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi All,

These are pretty good:

Hopefully the link works.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
NZ

On Mon, May 16, 2022, 5:09 PM Vladan SV PAME <vladan.bojic@...> wrote:
Ian,

do you know what brand of the led bulbs you got? I bought Osculati https://www.osculati.com/en/11436-14.450.34/led-smd-bulb-whitered-24-v but not happy how they perform. In beginning worked well but after month or so I need to switch it on / off for more then 10 times in order to change color from red to white.

Rick,

You don't need 3 way selector switch. Those bi-color led works on normal on / off switch.

Best Regards,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


Re: Fresh Water Tank cleaning with isopropyl alcohol

 

Bob,

Good job!!!

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:15 AM rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:
Bill,
Thanks for emphasizing the need for a portable pump for cleaning, de-watering and even emergency use. Got me to thinking--I'm going to cut and paste and edit  an earlier posting I made on this because I wanted to share and emphasize what I think are important characteristics of such a pump--1)portability, so you can easily take it to  the place you want to use it by grabbing it with a dedicated handle.  It needs to be ready to grab and go as a complete unit yet accessible and compact  2) a long cord to its power source so you can power it anywhere in the boat.  For us it is a 24v high capacity pump so we have a 30' power cord with alligator clips for attachment to the house batteries 3) an on off switch at the pump so once connected you can control it at the pump 4) a rigid pick up hose that will not collapse 5) a clog preventing intake screen on the pick up 6) a longer exit hose that can be thrown out a hatch or taken to the cockpit 7)a way to secure the electric pump above the water and to keep it from sliding around or damaging the interior of your boat.

So,  from a much earlier post......"Regarding a portable bilge pump we can show you what we have.  I had a high capacity 24V self-priming pump aboard and decided to make it into such a kit.  Management of a rigid intake hose, longer output hose, and 24V cord are all issues.  I came up with a design using a thin board with integrated handle, and a hour glass shape for managing the hoses and electrical cord.  The nylon cord that holds everything together can also be used to secure the pump in operation.  I think the suction hose was at least 1.5 meters, output hose 5 meters, and a 10 meter electrical cord with alligator clips.  The output hose can be a thin collapsible lightweight type hose that saves space. The carpenter at Yacht Marin in Turkey made me the board for $7USD!!!, and so for the cost of a switch, hoses we have a handy, organized, and compact unit that we hope never to use except for cleaning tasks.  Many of us carry a spare bilge pump around anyway, so here is an idea. Sorry you can't see the switch but it is a waterproof push pull mounted near the pump and the 24V cord with alligator clips is also there  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/xkgm3urt583wqzx/AAAHNL0aoLQ0aYM5SMruLZrqa
"
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM429


Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Vladan SV PAME
 

Ian,

do you know what brand of the led bulbs you got? I bought Osculati https://www.osculati.com/en/11436-14.450.34/led-smd-bulb-whitered-24-v but not happy how they perform. In beginning worked well but after month or so I need to switch it on / off for more then 10 times in order to change color from red to white.

Rick,

You don't need 3 way selector switch. Those bi-color led works on normal on / off switch.

Best Regards,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


Re: Feruno GPS workaround

Nick Newington
 

It may be the internal battery…though when it needs replacing it should show up as a battery bar graph sign in the corner of the screen. In addition in Menu mode open Display unit test and it says Internal battery OK.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019


On 15 May 2022, at 08:06, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Just a guess here too, but is there a battery in the Navnet2 MFD that needs changing?

+1 for the mushroom, zip-tied to the cable loom behind the chart table panel/cupboard. It does "work a treat"'
--
Dean Gillies
SV Stella *****,  Amel 54-154


Re: Feruno GPS workaround

rossirossix4
 

We might need to change this somehow to Furuno so we can find it in a future search.  
Cheers, Bob 


Re: Fresh Water Tank cleaning with isopropyl alcohol

rossirossix4
 

Bill,
Thanks for emphasizing the need for a portable pump for cleaning, de-watering and even emergency use. Got me to thinking--I'm going to cut and paste and edit  an earlier posting I made on this because I wanted to share and emphasize what I think are important characteristics of such a pump--1)portability, so you can easily take it to  the place you want to use it by grabbing it with a dedicated handle.  It needs to be ready to grab and go as a complete unit yet accessible and compact  2) a long cord to its power source so you can power it anywhere in the boat.  For us it is a 24v high capacity pump so we have a 30' power cord with alligator clips for attachment to the house batteries 3) an on off switch at the pump so once connected you can control it at the pump 4) a rigid pick up hose that will not collapse 5) a clog preventing intake screen on the pick up 6) a longer exit hose that can be thrown out a hatch or taken to the cockpit 7)a way to secure the electric pump above the water and to keep it from sliding around or damaging the interior of your boat.

So,  from a much earlier post......"Regarding a portable bilge pump we can show you what we have.  I had a high capacity 24V self-priming pump aboard and decided to make it into such a kit.  Management of a rigid intake hose, longer output hose, and 24V cord are all issues.  I came up with a design using a thin board with integrated handle, and a hour glass shape for managing the hoses and electrical cord.  The nylon cord that holds everything together can also be used to secure the pump in operation.  I think the suction hose was at least 1.5 meters, output hose 5 meters, and a 10 meter electrical cord with alligator clips.  The output hose can be a thin collapsible lightweight type hose that saves space. The carpenter at Yacht Marin in Turkey made me the board for $7USD!!!, and so for the cost of a switch, hoses we have a handy, organized, and compact unit that we hope never to use except for cleaning tasks.  Many of us carry a spare bilge pump around anyway, so here is an idea. Sorry you can't see the switch but it is a waterproof push pull mounted near the pump and the 24V cord with alligator clips is also there  https://www.dropbox.com/sc/xkgm3urt583wqzx/AAAHNL0aoLQ0aYM5SMruLZrqa
"
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM429


Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Ian Fraser
 

On 15 May 2022, at 14:43, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I can't really give you any more sorry. I have 3 different kinds on the boat for the different bulb attachment methods. I would imagine most marine outlets should have them


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 1:25:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K Dodger Overhead Light
 

Hi Alan
i would love to know more about these led bulbs !! 

thanks 
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille



Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Alan Grayson
 

I can't really give you any more sorry. I have 3 different kinds on the boat for the different bulb attachment methods. I would imagine most marine outlets should have them


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 1:25:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K Dodger Overhead Light
 

Hi Alan
i would love to know more about these led bulbs !! 

thanks 
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Watermaker low pressure connectors

 

David,

The pipe you circled was made up by dessalator.com (Dessalator <contact@...>).

If you contact them and include this photo, I am sure they can help.

The solenoid is made by Berkert.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sun, May 15, 2022, 10:42 David Crisp <david@...> wrote:

Just taken the solenoid valve out to give it a clean/pickle with some acid hopefully to cure a suspected slow leak.

Reassembling the solenoid and associated plumbing, one particular connection would only stop leaking when the pipe was rotated to a particular position (see attached).  Maybe the internals had become 'moulded' over the last 14 years, time to replace and renew perhaps.  I am referring to the small bore, black pipe and push fit connectors for the low pressure fresh and sea water.  Does anyone know what make these are and from where they can be sourced?

 
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Alan Grayson
 

You can get led bulbs which come both red and white and they drop right in. Switch the light on and it's white, turn it off and back on again and it's red.
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Ft Lauderdale 


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Rick Stanley <rstanley907@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 9:44:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K Dodger Overhead Light
 
Hey folks any recommendations on a replacement/upgrade to our overhead cockpit light? Maybe something with white/red bulbs and a three way selector switch?

Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!!

Rick Stanley, Capt
S/V Althea
AMEL SM2K HN317
Rock Hall, MD


Re: Climma Compact 9EH M60018AMEL with M61037AMEL Electrical Box

Tony Elliott
 

OK, I believe I have the answer to what the component is for those that are interested.

The 40uF capacitor as an additional cap that is added in parallel with the 10uF cap only to improve (reduce current spike and duration) startup. The "device" is likely a PTC (Positive Temperature Coefficient) ceramic "relay" that is normally closed at ambient temperatures. At startup the 10 and 40uF caps are in parallel yielding a higher capacitance to overcome the "hard" starting conditions of all AC compressors. As the current flows through this device it heats up and finally disconnects the 40uF capacitor so that the unit can maintain its running state. In standard AC terminology this is called a "Hard Start Kit". 

It seems that the technician who operated on this unit removed the 10uF run cap and used the 40uF cap instead because I assume the ceramic relay failed. The unit starts perfectly fine but what the longer term effects are of running the unit with a run capacitor 4 times larger than needed is yet to be determined.

Anyway, thought I would close this off. Now to go find a PTC ceramic "relay".

Tony
SM#443, Grand Cru


SM2K Dodger Overhead Light

Rick Stanley
 

Hey folks any recommendations on a replacement/upgrade to our overhead cockpit light? Maybe something with white/red bulbs and a three way selector switch?

Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!!

Rick Stanley, Capt
S/V Althea
AMEL SM2K HN317
Rock Hall, MD


Watermaker low pressure connectors

David Crisp
 

Just taken the solenoid valve out to give it a clean/pickle with some acid hopefully to cure a suspected slow leak.

Reassembling the solenoid and associated plumbing, one particular connection would only stop leaking when the pipe was rotated to a particular position (see attached).  Maybe the internals had become 'moulded' over the last 14 years, time to replace and renew perhaps.  I am referring to the small bore, black pipe and push fit connectors for the low pressure fresh and sea water.  Does anyone know what make these are and from where they can be sourced?

 
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Feruno GPS workaround

Dean Gillies
 

Just a guess here too, but is there a battery in the Navnet2 MFD that needs changing?

+1 for the mushroom, zip-tied to the cable loom behind the chart table panel/cupboard. It does "work a treat"'
--
Dean Gillies
SV Stella *****,  Amel 54-154


Re: Feruno GPS workaround

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi Nick. 
I have a gp 80 that I brought back to life with a battery change. I also bought a mushroom antenna and installed it just like you. Tied up in the cabinet and "works a treat" as my English friends say. Don't get the right date though but everything else is functional. 
All the best!
Chuck and Kim 
Joy SM 388

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 9:54 PM Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
No the GP 90 is disconnected from the network.

It still works but only to give lat/long on its own display. In practice it is turned off.
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
Aml55-019
Fethiye Bay


On 14 May 2022, at 18:12, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Just a guess but is the GP90 still connected to the network?



On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 4:23 PM Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have a Feruno GP90 that still works but now all the data ports have quit.
I bought an inexpensive mushroom GPS receiver and an Actisense NMEA expander that works well so the VHF,  SSB, and Navnet 2 all have position.

Interestingly the mushroom gps antenna is just tie wrapped in the cabinet above the chart table and gets position as well as the external antenna on the main gps.

The problem is that the Navnet keeps forgetting the installation when I turn it off, though not always. I have to go through the installation wizard to get it working.

Why would this be?
Especially not always?
When I check the parameters that I set and NMEA sentences they are as I set them…so not a memory problem..

It is not a big deal as I can on powering up press MENU and POWER simultaneously and go to the wizard each time….but baffling.

Does anyone know of a trick/solution. I am wondering if it is Feruno trying to make me buy their new GPS!

Nick
S/Y Amelia
Anchored Fethiye bay
AML 54-019





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