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Re: Amel off white

Ian Park
 

RAL 1013 is the colour of the deck and masts on the SM an SN - oyster white.
I don’t know a RAL colour for the hull white.

Ian


Re: Faux deck stain

Bill Kinney
 

I fear you will usually be disappointed with trying to “rub out” the faded spots on an Amel deck.  

The way these were made was the “brown” gel coat was brushed into the mold by hand, and then white gelcoat sprayed behind that, and then the fiberglass laminate laid down.  Because the brown layer was applied by hand, the thickness control was poor.  The brown pigment slowly fades in the UV sunlight. Places where it was applied thinly, it fades completely and the white shows through.  In many places you will actually see the original brush strokes.  In places where the gel coat was applied thickly, it does not visibly fade, but does become brittle and tends to chip easily.

The brown pigment contains a good deal of iron, which makes also makes it vulnerable to cleaners that contain oxalic acid.  If these are left on for longer than recommended, they will pull more color out of the plastic.  They can be great for removing rust stains and such, but be sure to rinse well as soon as done.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada


Re: Faux deck stain

Richard Dallett
 

Thanks, I will try it.

Richard

 

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Faux deck stain

 

Richard,

 

I have seen acid or products with acid like On-OFF cause this to the colored Gelcoat faux teak. I think if that is the cause there is no reversing unless you can remove just the top surface of the Gelcoat. If while trying the following you see white, you have gone too deep.

 

Gelcoat can be compounded. My European friends refer to it as polishing. Some people in Texas refer to it as polishing with rubbing compound. Specifically, the process I am talking about is actually removing the top layer of the Gelcoat. 

 

I like 3M Super Duty Rubbing Compound. You might also try 2000 Grit Wet/Dry Sandpaper

 



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 1:24 PM Richard Dallett <dallettrichard@...> wrote:

I have some spots where the color is gone from the faux deck, almost like drops of bleach hit it. Is there any stain that can be applied to restore the look?
RichardDallett
Mamba
A54/68


Re: Faux deck stain

 

Richard,

I have seen acid or products with acid like On-OFF cause this to the colored Gelcoat faux teak. I think if that is the cause there is no reversing unless you can remove just the top surface of the Gelcoat. If while trying the following you see white, you have gone too deep.

Gelcoat can be compounded. My European friends refer to it as polishing. Some people in Texas refer to it as polishing with rubbing compound. Specifically, the process I am talking about is actually removing the top layer of the Gelcoat. 

I like 3M Super Duty Rubbing Compound. You might also try 2000 Grit Wet/Dry Sandpaper

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 1:24 PM Richard Dallett <dallettrichard@...> wrote:
I have some spots where the color is gone from the faux deck, almost like drops of bleach hit it. Is there any stain that can be applied to restore the look?
RichardDallett
Mamba
A54/68


Faux deck stain

Richard Dallett
 

I have some spots where the color is gone from the faux deck, almost like drops of bleach hit it. Is there any stain that can be applied to restore the look?
RichardDallett
Mamba
A54/68


locked Re: ****MODERATED PERPETUAL POWER GENERATOR USING A MODIFIED CAR ALTERNATOR****

Mark Erdos
 

 

 

It is a ploy to get clicks and generate advertising revenue, nothing more. They don't show you the cable running under the grass to power it. This video has been debunked many times, but yet people fall prey to "if it's on the internet, then it must be true" idiom.


With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


On 6/30/2022 7:04 AM, Alejandro Paquin wrote:

Hello to all,
I came across this youtube video, which in my mind must have  some major physics laws flaws, it would be interesting to read your opinions on this matter. I apologize if this topic does not directly concern an Amel issue but we all have generally the same energy issues onboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAmVcTD2ZY

--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981


locked Re: ****MODERATED PERPETUAL POWER GENERATOR USING A MODIFIED CAR ALTERNATOR****

Ruslan Osmonov
 

These are just to collect views, somehow people catch on to these and generate views to the makers and makers get ad money. Sorry to ruin your hopes 🙂 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 1:04 PM Alejandro Paquin <paquin.alejandro@...> wrote:
Hello to all,
I came across this youtube video, which in my mind must have  some major physics laws flaws, it would be interesting to read your opinions on this matter. I apologize if this topic does not directly concern an Amel issue but we all have generally the same energy issues onboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAmVcTD2ZY

--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981

--

--
Fair winds
Ruslan Osmonov
Phanthom, A54 #44


Re: Amel off white

Stu and Lana Holmes
 

Hi Sarah & Trev:

The color is RAL 1013. It’s often called Oyster White but goes by other names as well.  I hope this helps.  

Definitely try a test area first. Imay not match the other off-white on the boat perfectly depending on how much UV or general wear has happened in that area. Happy painting!

Stu
SM 373 Oyai

On Jun 30, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Sarah & Trevor McIlwaine <Ourbigboatyadventure@...> wrote:



Hi everyone,

‘’the refit of our Maramu #162 continues with the focus over winter having been inside, with headlining & insulation, soft furnishings, taps, anchor locker and a variety of other items.  We move into the warmer weather and have plans to paint the topsides & deck.  I’ve used the search function on here as I was almost sure that I’d seen the Pantone or RAL code for the hull colour.  For the life of me, I cannot find this. 


If anyone can help at all it would be really appreciated. 


kindest regards,

Sarah & Trev, Elice #162


Re: Keel rust and grounding

Christian Alby
 

good day to you, 
maramu owner
did & do the cleaning once a year; set of scraper & brush on long wooden handle - I remove all suction hoses & replace.
I also have the M32 socket welded on a steel tube to check or remove the keel bolt & replace the ground braided strap.
works fine once decision is taken to tackle the job. (hardest part).
but worth it once it is done
cheers

Le jeudi 30 juin 2022 à 16:39:01 UTC+2, VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...> a écrit :


Hi Ben. 
In my first attempt I reached your same conclusion: it is impossible. Then I found a way around and got it clean by using diapers and an extension gripper (you can buy it in a chinese bazaar). Then I had a bar built with a nut welded to the end the same size as the nut in the bottom of the bilge. It has worked fine every time that I have had to use it.
If you need further explanations, let me know. 
Victor 
Alendoy SM314


Re: Mosquito Nets

Rachael
 



Thanks Richard, our boat's in Greece, when I read your message, this image flashed in my mind!! 🤣
 
Rachael & Robin Courtenay
Pérdika SM232
Leros, Greece


Re: Galvanic corrosion

Bruno COTTE
 


My A 55 #63 from end 2017. I repainted all hatches this year plus different zones on masts . 
Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 30 juin 2022 à 17:19, Bruno COTTE via groups.io <cotte.bruno@...> a écrit :

Classic local corrosion . To be treated locally 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 30 juin 2022 à 15:31, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


I have reviewed about 15 A55s and many more A54s. I can mostly answer your questions with some facts and some opinions. The facts stand for themselves, the opinions are mine.

Mast/spar paint bubbling:
It is very difficult to paint aluminum to last more than 8 - 10 years. I also believe that primers and paints have changed in the last 20 years, removing certain "hazardous" chemicals, and making good adhesion to aluminum more difficult. The manufacturing of the aluminum spar might be a contributor because poor manufacturing will trap pockets of air, gasses and other contaminants within the metal during the manufacturing process. Regardless of who the supplier to Amel is, I wonder if the spars were made in China. If the slightest amount of moisture or air, even microscopic, gets between the aluminum and painted surfaces, the paint will bubble. Also probably contributing to this paint issue is also the environment where the mast is painted and the skill of the painter. For best paint adhesion the mast should be in a climate-controlled environment with an emphasis on controlling humidity to be very low. Lastly, you may notice these bubbles near strees points on the booms and spars because stress is causing some tiny, even microscopic, fissures in the paint and between the paint and the aluminum.

We used to see this on 10 to 15-year-old Amels. With the 55 we saw this in as little as 2 years, but most beginning at about 5 years. I do not know which of the above reasons contributed to the issue but be assured that any aluminum painting is at risk.

Hatches:
This defect falls into the same cause/effect as above. It is a known defect in the manufacturing of these Lewmar powder-coated hatches which I believe were made in China. When I look closely it appears to me that the manufacturer did not use any primer. At one point, Lemar would exchange these for new hatches, but not pay for installation. I was told by a 55 owner that Amel installed new hatches during the 55s 2-year warranty. Lewmar is under new ownership and I doubt you can get them to do anything and all 55s are out of warranty.

Manual Furler and Mainmast Motor:
You have another issue that should be addressed ASAP. Here is a photo. Feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss this.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 04:30 Aleš Marinšek <alesmarinsek67@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
 
I recently saw two AMEL 55, both from 2014, with galvanic corrosion on the mast, mizzen and booms as well as on the hatches. The white paint bubbles and peels off. The underlying aluminium looks oxidized. Please, see attached photos.
I wonder if this is just a cosmetic issue or a structural problem? Does similar corrosion occur on other AMELs (55 or maybe 54)?
I will appreciate your feedback.
 
Ales


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1.jpg

4.jpg


Re: Galvanic corrosion

Bruno COTTE
 

Classic local corrosion . To be treated locally 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 30 juin 2022 à 15:31, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


I have reviewed about 15 A55s and many more A54s. I can mostly answer your questions with some facts and some opinions. The facts stand for themselves, the opinions are mine.

Mast/spar paint bubbling:
It is very difficult to paint aluminum to last more than 8 - 10 years. I also believe that primers and paints have changed in the last 20 years, removing certain "hazardous" chemicals, and making good adhesion to aluminum more difficult. The manufacturing of the aluminum spar might be a contributor because poor manufacturing will trap pockets of air, gasses and other contaminants within the metal during the manufacturing process. Regardless of who the supplier to Amel is, I wonder if the spars were made in China. If the slightest amount of moisture or air, even microscopic, gets between the aluminum and painted surfaces, the paint will bubble. Also probably contributing to this paint issue is also the environment where the mast is painted and the skill of the painter. For best paint adhesion the mast should be in a climate-controlled environment with an emphasis on controlling humidity to be very low. Lastly, you may notice these bubbles near strees points on the booms and spars because stress is causing some tiny, even microscopic, fissures in the paint and between the paint and the aluminum.

We used to see this on 10 to 15-year-old Amels. With the 55 we saw this in as little as 2 years, but most beginning at about 5 years. I do not know which of the above reasons contributed to the issue but be assured that any aluminum painting is at risk.

Hatches:
This defect falls into the same cause/effect as above. It is a known defect in the manufacturing of these Lewmar powder-coated hatches which I believe were made in China. When I look closely it appears to me that the manufacturer did not use any primer. At one point, Lemar would exchange these for new hatches, but not pay for installation. I was told by a 55 owner that Amel installed new hatches during the 55s 2-year warranty. Lewmar is under new ownership and I doubt you can get them to do anything and all 55s are out of warranty.

Manual Furler and Mainmast Motor:
You have another issue that should be addressed ASAP. Here is a photo. Feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss this.
image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 04:30 Aleš Marinšek <alesmarinsek67@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
 
I recently saw two AMEL 55, both from 2014, with galvanic corrosion on the mast, mizzen and booms as well as on the hatches. The white paint bubbles and peels off. The underlying aluminium looks oxidized. Please, see attached photos.
I wonder if this is just a cosmetic issue or a structural problem? Does similar corrosion occur on other AMELs (55 or maybe 54)?
I will appreciate your feedback.
 
Ales


3.jpg

2.jpg

1.jpg

4.jpg


Re: Keel rust and grounding

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Hi Ben. 
In my first attempt I reached your same conclusion: it is impossible. Then I found a way around and got it clean by using diapers and an extension gripper (you can buy it in a chinese bazaar). Then I had a bar built with a nut welded to the end the same size as the nut in the bottom of the bilge. It has worked fine every time that I have had to use it.
If you need further explanations, let me know. 
Victor 
Alendoy SM314


Re: Mosquito Nets

Symphony
 

Another tip that works in the Northeast at least- the tiny gnats and biting flies dislike Catnip. Pet stores and Amazon carry Capt Kitty Catnip spray. We sprayed liberally on all exposed skin dusk and dawn with excellent success.

Nontoxic, no odor, no oily feeling.

I just looked on Amazon and price seems double what I remember.

Best wishes,
Richard
Ex-every boat
New Haven CT.


Amel off white

Sarah & Trevor McIlwaine
 

Hi everyone,

‘’the refit of our Maramu #162 continues with the focus over winter having been inside, with headlining & insulation, soft furnishings, taps, anchor locker and a variety of other items.  We move into the warmer weather and have plans to paint the topsides & deck.  I’ve used the search function on here as I was almost sure that I’d seen the Pantone or RAL code for the hull colour.  For the life of me, I cannot find this. 


If anyone can help at all it would be really appreciated. 


kindest regards,

Sarah & Trev, Elice #162


Re: Keel rust and grounding

 

It is relatively easy if you follow these instructions for a SM (Maramu will be a similar process). 

Obviously, if it has not been cleaned regularly it will be substantially more difficult.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 7:15 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Ben,

I used a pressure washer; an essential tool in my opinion.  

Jean-Pierre Germain, ex Eleuthera, SM007


On 30 Jun 2022, at 07:07, Ben Levy <benjamin.levy@...> wrote:

Thank you for your inputs. I am a bit surprised however that all 3 of you said it was easy to access.. Could it be that on a SM the access to the bildge keel bolt is different and easier than on the original maramu? I have spent days trying to clean the bottom of my bilge and it is not easy at all to even touch the bottom with a 1m stick to pock the dirt off. Can anyone confirm having done it on a Maramu? 
Thanks for the tip about the keel rust, I'll look it up. 

Cheers 
Ben 


Re: Galvanic corrosion

 

I have reviewed about 15 A55s and many more A54s. I can mostly answer your questions with some facts and some opinions. The facts stand for themselves, the opinions are mine.

Mast/spar paint bubbling:
It is very difficult to paint aluminum to last more than 8 - 10 years. I also believe that primers and paints have changed in the last 20 years, removing certain "hazardous" chemicals, and making good adhesion to aluminum more difficult. The manufacturing of the aluminum spar might be a contributor because poor manufacturing will trap pockets of air, gasses and other contaminants within the metal during the manufacturing process. Regardless of who the supplier to Amel is, I wonder if the spars were made in China. If the slightest amount of moisture or air, even microscopic, gets between the aluminum and painted surfaces, the paint will bubble. Also probably contributing to this paint issue is also the environment where the mast is painted and the skill of the painter. For best paint adhesion the mast should be in a climate-controlled environment with an emphasis on controlling humidity to be very low. Lastly, you may notice these bubbles near strees points on the booms and spars because stress is causing some tiny, even microscopic, fissures in the paint and between the paint and the aluminum.

We used to see this on 10 to 15-year-old Amels. With the 55 we saw this in as little as 2 years, but most beginning at about 5 years. I do not know which of the above reasons contributed to the issue but be assured that any aluminum painting is at risk.

Hatches:
This defect falls into the same cause/effect as above. It is a known defect in the manufacturing of these Lewmar powder-coated hatches which I believe were made in China. When I look closely it appears to me that the manufacturer did not use any primer. At one point, Lemar would exchange these for new hatches, but not pay for installation. I was told by a 55 owner that Amel installed new hatches during the 55s 2-year warranty. Lewmar is under new ownership and I doubt you can get them to do anything and all 55s are out of warranty.

Manual Furler and Mainmast Motor:
You have another issue that should be addressed ASAP. Here is a photo. Feel free to contact me if you wish to discuss this.
image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 04:30 Aleš Marinšek <alesmarinsek67@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
 
I recently saw two AMEL 55, both from 2014, with galvanic corrosion on the mast, mizzen and booms as well as on the hatches. The white paint bubbles and peels off. The underlying aluminium looks oxidized. Please, see attached photos.
I wonder if this is just a cosmetic issue or a structural problem? Does similar corrosion occur on other AMELs (55 or maybe 54)?
I will appreciate your feedback.
 
Ales









Re: Keel rust and grounding

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Ben,

I used a pressure washer; an essential tool in my opinion.  

Jean-Pierre Germain, ex Eleuthera, SM007


On 30 Jun 2022, at 07:07, Ben Levy <benjamin.levy@...> wrote:

Thank you for your inputs. I am a bit surprised however that all 3 of you said it was easy to access.. Could it be that on a SM the access to the bildge keel bolt is different and easier than on the original maramu? I have spent days trying to clean the bottom of my bilge and it is not easy at all to even touch the bottom with a 1m stick to pock the dirt off. Can anyone confirm having done it on a Maramu? 
Thanks for the tip about the keel rust, I'll look it up. 

Cheers 
Ben 


Re: Keel rust and grounding

Ben Levy
 

Thank you for your inputs. I am a bit surprised however that all 3 of you said it was easy to access.. Could it be that on a SM the access to the bildge keel bolt is different and easier than on the original maramu? I have spent days trying to clean the bottom of my bilge and it is not easy at all to even touch the bottom with a 1m stick to pock the dirt off. Can anyone confirm having done it on a Maramu? 
Thanks for the tip about the keel rust, I'll look it up. 

Cheers 
Ben 


Re: Group order - Arch from Emek Marin

Nick Newington
 

I had an arch made for me in Grenada by Nick at Spice Island.

I showed him the Emek design, we actually looked at one together on a SM. We shook it and it flexed a lot, so we discussed how to rectify that and the answer was to build a twin wall, a bit like foam sandwich GRP panels are much stiffer that a single skin.
So that is what we did, it does not flex, I can climb all over it. Note forward attachment that goes tight over the bulwark and is bolted through the steel within the toe rail. For the aft pad, there is a big backing plate but in addition I beefed up the GRP of the single skin transom and glassed it to the hull….
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Nick
S/V Amelia
AML54-019 Leros GR

On 30 Jun 2022, at 07:51, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

Well, Bill, I'm an idiot! I know what I'm doing this winter :) So then the arch is perfect. For the other poster, I'm not sure if mine are standard or installed after, but we do have a pair of cross braces you can install for presumably very long passages to stiffen it up even further. But for regular use, they are not at all necessary. After all the wobbly spindly out-of-place angular arches I've seen, I wouldn't even consider another arch if I had to replace this one, I'd be on the phone ordering the same one again. 

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