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Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Barry:

Thanks for you information. I am a little uncertain of some details. Would
you please summarize for me the following:

The name, address and phone number of the vendor where we can get the IB5076 sensor.
Is it only available from Germany or did you find a USA vendor?
Approximate cost excluding shipping.
Approximate time for shipping from vendor to the USA.
Any idea about import duty if it has to be imported to the USA?

Thanks,

Gary Silver, Amel SM2000 #335


Barry wrote: " Here is an update on the IB5076 sensor. Firstly, it IS available
so the information previously advised on this site that it was not, is
incorrect. Secondly, an alternative replacement is the IB5124. This is the same
diameter but uses only two wires instead of three as with the IB5076. I used the
IB5124 sensor only because I had to wait for a delivery from Germany for the
IB5076 while the alternative was readily available. The price was similar."


Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Barry:

Thanks for you information. I am a little uncertain of some details. Would please
summarize for me the following:

Name, address and phone number of the vendor where we can get the IB5076 sensor.
Is it only available from Germany?
Approximate cost excluding shipping.
Approximate time for shipping from vendor to the USA.
Any idea about import duty if it has to be imported to the USA?

Thanks,

Gary Silver, Amel SM2000 #335


Barry wrote: " Here is an update on the IB5076 sensor. Firstly, it IS available so the information previously advised on this site that it was not, is incorrect. Secondly, an alternative replacement is the IB5124. This is the same diameter but uses only two wires instead of three as with the IB5076. I used the IB5124 sensor only because I had to wait for a delivery from Germany for the IB5076 while the alternative was readily available. The price was similar."


type 2 rotary drive motor brushes

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

I have tried emailing and calling this company that makes the motor for the


Raymarine Rotary autopilot. No answer and an answering machine when called.

Does anyone know where to get spare brushes for this motor?



FRACMO HASTINGS ENGLAND

REF 451-50-109

Part No 3035-007

32 volts dc4.5 amps



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] Re: File space is critical in the files section of this website

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

Thanks for your efforts.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: File space is critical in the files section of this
website





All,

I had several emails and some back-and-forth with Yahoo regarding file space
for the FILES section. As you probably know, they allow us 100MB for the
FILES section and 100GB for the PHOTO section. In my discussions with them,
they stated that "it is all about the total file space they have allocated
for GROUPS." Among other things, I suggested that the 100MB limitation was
really a yesteryear number and that they should do better or combine the
space allowed between FILES and PHOTOS.

Anyway things are looking up...the following is their last email to me:

"Hello Bill,

We appreciate your suggestion, Bill. When the photos section
was refactored, the storage space was increased from 100MB
to 100GB. The Product team has indicated that they are planning
a similar increase for the files area when it is refactored.
Unfortunately, at this time, we don't have any further information
regarding when this change will take place..."

So, if we can live with what we have until this "refactoring" occurs, we
will be in great shape after it.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Bolg www.svbebe.com

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "lji004" <jose.luis.isasi@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I have deleted some old files. I hope nobody is concerned about them.

Thanks for the alert.
Jose Luis
GM

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

To the moderator and All,

The file space allocated for our FILES section is 100mb. Currently we
are at 97% of our 100MB limit. I noticed this when I tried to uplaod a 5mb
service manual for the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator. I am sure
there are some of you that would want this.

First of all, I have a hard time believing that Yahoo has put such a
small limit on their grooups...probably the reason that Google constantly
kicks Yahoo's ass!

Secondly, I suppose we have do some house cleaning. This will involve
each of us taking a look at our postings to the FILES section as well as the
moderator taking a look at older files posted there by inactive members.

In the mean time, if anyone would like a copy of the service manual for
the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator, email me at
bill"at"svbebe.com.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blogspot Blog: www.svbebe.com


Part numbers

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Is someone interested in opening a file on the website listing the parts,
part numbers , and source for items, and comments on our amels ?

I would be happy to add some info, such as that the switches mounted on the
windlass are standard switches available from Vetus denoudem, motors, pumps
and other such things such as the pin striping gadget to paint the stripes
in the desk and many more things.. I do not know how to open the file but I
would be happy to add my info

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Chain Counter





Here is an update on the IB5076 sensor. Firstly, it IS available so the
information previously advised on this site that it was not, is incorrect.
Secondly, an alternative replacement is the IB5124. This is the same
diameter but uses only two wires instead of three as with the IB5076. I used
the IB5124 sensor only because I had to wait for a delivery from Germany for
the IB5076 while the alternative was readily available. The price was
similar.

Since the IB5076 has three wires and the IB5124 has two, the brown wire
being the positive supply to the sensor was not used. Instead, I found the
black wire also a positive (assuming from the gauge to the sensor) connected
to the 1/3 terminal on the sensor, the blue negative connected to the 2/4
terminal on the sensor. This is a normally open circuit as with the IB5076
and provided the correct reading in both directions at the instrument gauge.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Pepe,

That email no longer works. Which IFM location did you get this part? I
checked the US location and was told, "The IB5076 is no longer available and
no direct replacement."

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@> wrote:

HI Bill,
alex.cortes | ifm.com
Pepe Fortuna 223




________________________________
De: svbebe <yahoogroups@>
Para: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Enviado: vie,9 abril, 2010 17:39
Asunto: Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

Â


Iv Pepe,

Yahoo automatically strips the email address removing everything after
the "@". Can you tell me what follows: "alex.corte@ "

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@ > wrote:

Hi all,
The chain counter sensor,IB 5076 inductive sensor is Euro 78,- E mail
alex.corte@ ..
Hope it helps,
Iv Pepe
Fortuna SM 223











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Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

Barry <seagasm@...>
 

Here is an update on the IB5076 sensor. Firstly, it IS available so the information previously advised on this site that it was not, is incorrect. Secondly, an alternative replacement is the IB5124. This is the same diameter but uses only two wires instead of three as with the IB5076. I used the IB5124 sensor only because I had to wait for a delivery from Germany for the IB5076 while the alternative was readily available. The price was similar.

Since the IB5076 has three wires and the IB5124 has two, the brown wire being the positive supply to the sensor was not used. Instead, I found the black wire also a positive (assuming from the gauge to the sensor) connected to the 1/3 terminal on the sensor, the blue negative connected to the 2/4 terminal on the sensor. This is a normally open circuit as with the IB5076 and provided the correct reading in both directions at the instrument gauge.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Pepe,

That email no longer works. Which IFM location did you get this part? I checked the US location and was told, "The IB5076 is no longer available and no direct replacement."

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@> wrote:

HI Bill,
alex.cortes | ifm.com
Pepe Fortuna 223




________________________________
De: svbebe <yahoogroups@>
Para: amelyachtowners@...
Enviado: vie,9 abril, 2010 17:39
Asunto: Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

 


Iv Pepe,

Yahoo automatically strips the email address removing everything after the "@". Can you tell me what follows: "alex.corte@ "

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@ > wrote:

Hi all,
The chain counter sensor,IB 5076 inductive sensor is Euro 78,- E mail alex.corte@ ..
Hope it helps,
Iv Pepe
Fortuna  SM 223






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Re: File space is critical in the files section of this website

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

All,

I had several emails and some back-and-forth with Yahoo regarding file space for the FILES section. As you probably know, they allow us 100MB for the FILES section and 100GB for the PHOTO section. In my discussions with them, they stated that "it is all about the total file space they have allocated for GROUPS." Among other things, I suggested that the 100MB limitation was really a yesteryear number and that they should do better or combine the space allowed between FILES and PHOTOS.

Anyway things are looking up...the following is their last email to me:

"Hello Bill,

We appreciate your suggestion, Bill. When the photos section
was refactored, the storage space was increased from 100MB
to 100GB. The Product team has indicated that they are planning
a similar increase for the files area when it is refactored.
Unfortunately, at this time, we don't have any further information
regarding when this change will take place..."

So, if we can live with what we have until this "refactoring" occurs, we will be in great shape after it.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Bolg www.svbebe.com

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "lji004" <jose.luis.isasi@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I have deleted some old files. I hope nobody is concerned about them.

Thanks for the alert.
Jose Luis
GM

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svbebe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

To the moderator and All,

The file space allocated for our FILES section is 100mb. Currently we are at 97% of our 100MB limit. I noticed this when I tried to uplaod a 5mb service manual for the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator. I am sure there are some of you that would want this.

First of all, I have a hard time believing that Yahoo has put such a small limit on their grooups...probably the reason that Google constantly kicks Yahoo's ass!

Secondly, I suppose we have do some house cleaning. This will involve each of us taking a look at our postings to the FILES section as well as the moderator taking a look at older files posted there by inactive members.

In the mean time, if anyone would like a copy of the service manual for the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator, email me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blogspot Blog: www.svbebe.com


Re: [Amel] Serial Numbers

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

On my boat it is also inscribed very faintly just below the rub rail on the
starboard side.

Not your normal factory impression. It is hard to find.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of richard03801@...
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:52 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Serial Numbers





There should be a brass name plate as you enter the cabin on the starboard
side. If not the it is part of your hull number.
Good luck
Richard on SM 209
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conn" <connwilliamson@ <mailto:connwilliamson%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:40:17
To: <amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Serial Numbers

I am wondering where I can find the production number of our Mango.


Re: [Amel] Serial Numbers

richard03801@...
 

There should be a brass name plate as you enter the cabin on the starboard side. If not the it is part of your hull number.
Good luck
Richard on SM 209
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conn" <connwilliamson@...>
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:40:17
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel] Serial Numbers

I am wondering where I can find the production number of our Mango.


rocella ionica / south italy

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

Fw: Re:rocella ionica Italy
Re:rocella ionica Italy
zondag 18 april 2010 10:22:11
From:
"Phil Berghmans" <phil.berghmans@...>
To:
"" <amelyachtowners@...>
hello everyone,

We where in Rocella Ionica last year i think in august(high season) then they charge 20 euro for the nigth including water.Very reaseneble for the Med.
I used to be free but things change.They only charge in high season i believe.They have great pizzas in the marina restaurant and cheap no nead to cook aboard when you are in there.We like the place very much.A walk to the town and a cappucino on the central squire is worth the trouble.Enjoy it.

phil from miles ahead
santorin 101
Las palmas

Btw It was still ok to enter take a big turn towards the beach as you enter dont go to close to the breakwater.You should have 3meter depth
most off the time.Go slow iff you should touch its sand so dont worry.


Serial Numbers

Conn <connwilliamson@...>
 

I am wondering where I can find the production number of our Mango.


Re: WC Head Pump - Salt Water Supply Pump SM #387

Jose G Venegas <jgvenegas@...>
 

Well Bill, it is also raining here in Boston and it will rain all weekend. Thanks for the pix and info. I will be checking my spares but the current project is to get rid of the shrink wrap. Spring is finally here!

Jose
IPANEMA SM2K
no longer hibernating
Boston

Sent by Jose Gabriel iphone


Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

BM2 <bluemarinemartin@...>
 

Bonjour ,

Thank you for this detailed information. My valves have never been changed.

Since I managed to re-open it, I will wait to be on the hard to do the job according to your operating procedure.

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-17
----- Message reçu -----
De : rossirossix4
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-14, 17:40:02
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


Hi Yves,

Usually, if the ball valve looks like it is glassed over, it has not yet been replaced. If you look closely you should see that the material overlapping the valve is a relatively thin amount of gel coat and paint. There is a through hull fitting (not a seacock?), then a short stand pipe and the ball valve screws onto the top of this. It is my impression (having replaced 3 different valves) that while the stand pipe is very securely glassed in the gel coat/paint will not prevent you from unscrewing the ball valve.

I don't think anyone will tell you to unscrew it in the water because it is always safer to do it on the hard (and do all of them at once, and do them preventatively while you are on the hard). However, I can say that I would do it if it was not convenient to haul out. I would however fit a plug in the outlet while conducting the operation or be ready to plug from the dingy in case Murphey's law comes into effect.

In an earlier posting someone talks about using what I will call a "string saw"--they sell them for cutting PVC pipe--to score the gel coat before rotating the valve out. I did this but didn't make that much progress and worried about wearing the threads on the stand pipe.

I used a pipe wrench with a long 16" handle (or put a pipe on the handle of a shorter pipe wrench) and it eased off using considerable rotational force.

On reassembly you can use many winds of teflon tape or something like Life-Calk Sealant on the threads of the stand pipe. Either one will help establish a leak proof seal and aid in removal next time you replace one.

I'm not on my boat right now but I thought the valve was bonded to the boats ground. If you use a Marelon plastic ball valve you would need to bond the stand pipe and I think this would be difficult to do because there is not a gap between the ball valve and the pipe once you screw it on. So that's it.

Excuse this digression. I've got to tell this related story! On my boat the raw water intake to the engine is set up the same way. I was with my mechanic (who had not had previous experience with Amels but had familiarized himself with mine). I complained that it looked like Amel had glassed in the ball valve and not considered problems with replacement. At that point he became quite serious and even a bit emotional saying something to the effect of "Look at this boat and the way everything is done! Do you REALLY think that they would do that? No...no...no" and he went on a bit brow beating me. He was right, the valve eased right off with a fair amount of torque from the long pipe wrench. Like many Amel owners, I don't often need to have professionals do work for me, but when they do they make comments like "Its good to see a boat where they did things right" or "That's a very well thought out idea". I've even had them bring over other boat owners to show them how something should have been done.

Bob
Brittany de la Mer 1993 Santorin #86

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@...> wrote:

Bonjour John,

The valve itself is definitely above the waterline and can be removed while the boat is in the water.
The problem I am facing is that it is difficult to remove / unscrew from the seacock, beeing sure not to dammage the seacock itself.

The valve is a 1-1/4 in brass. perhaps can it be replaced by a Makrolon one.

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-14
----- Message reçu -----
De : johnabo2003
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 15:46:35
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


I would also like to replace the forward head holding tank drain pipe and service the seacock. Can the seacock and down pipe be safely removed whilst the boat is in the water. In other words is the thread for the seacock above the waterline?

Does anybody know the thread size and material of the seacock so that I can order a spare in advance of going to the boat?

John
SM 394

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@> wrote:

Bonjour John,

I will try to do it that way as soon as I can get a new valve, hoping that mine will come out as easily as yours...dismounting is very often far more difficult than installing a new gear.

Best wishes

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2010-04-13
----- Message reçu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 10:33:55
Sujet : Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


Hello Yves,
I think I understand ! But you have to unscew the whole valve complete and replace it with a new one.
That is what I did a few years ago. It was pretty easy once I got the hose off. The central part of the valve is not removable so far as I know so the whole unit has to be sent to be recycled if you want to get full brownie points.

Best wishes, John, SM 319
----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K



Bonjour Anne and John,

And thank you for your help.

I am not so strong but the shaft has very little material: OD 9 mm threaded, a hole inside of 3 mm. and a cut of 1.5 mm each side for the handle leaving only a maximum of 3 working mm of material where it broke.

I usually wash the tank, while closed, with fresh water and vinegar from the vent on deck...but it nevertheless happened to break !!

I understand how to remove the hose, but...

The problem I am facing is to remove (unscrew) the valve without breaking the seacock.

How can I seize the seacock to avoid distroying it while removing the valve itself ??
The seacock seems to be moulded in the plastic of the hull, without any thing beyond the moulding inside the boat in order to block it, , while unscewing the valve . A bit difficult to explain clearly with my limited English, but I hope you can grasp the point !!

Many Thanks and best wishes to both of you

Yves


BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2010-04-13
----- Message reçu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-12, 10:13:14
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Dear Yves and Marie Christine,
The same valve seized up years ago on my boat and I had to replace it even though I was not so strong as to be able to break the shaft. To replace the valve remove the shelf and the plastic pipe from the holding tank. You will find that it is best to make a vertical slash in it where it is stuck onto the tank and the valve with a razor knife. You will then be able to remove the damaged valve and fit a new one using proper sanitary hose.
It was not my favourite job especially as one inevitably gets on intimate terms with the WC pan !
I suppose that whilst the tube is open you should feel the inside to see whether you should do a descaling job as described by S/V Bebe in the archives.

Best wishes from Anne and John

----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Hello everybody,

I have a problem with the fore heads valve because I closed it for a very short time and when I wanted to reopen it, the handle shaft broke with the valve closed...although I operate it from time to time.

Fortunately, with a lot of efforts, I managed to open it with a Ezy-out left turn screw extractor.

Now I have to change it....without damaging the seacock., which does not seem to be easy !!

Although I cannot immagine I am the first one with this problem, I could not find a word about it on the forum, even with the search fuction, John,

Has anyone faced this problem?

All advices welcome

Regards

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2009-12-11




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Roy Duddy <RDuddy@...>
 

I am looking to replace the Frigiboat refrigerator for a 12V/110V system. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Roy Duddy
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231 North Amherst Road
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Re: [Amel] WC Head Pump - Salt Water Supply Pump SM #387

kimberlite@...
 


WC Head Pump - Salt Water Supply Pump SM #387

So Sad <yahoogroups@...>
 

All,

It is a rainy day in Malaysia so I thought I would investigate why the salt water supply to the heads is not as good as it should be. I documented the process and took photos as I removed each of the pumps and cleaned them. You will find these in the photo section at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1980087538/pic/435662836/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

AND: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1980087538/pic/744893983/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

An interesting thing happened during the process. I pulled the repair kits that I had in my spares for these pumps. One set of repair kits was bought by the original owner and the second set by me. They were each purchased from SAV at Amel and they were identical. The problem was that they were not the correct repair kits. BeBe, #387 has Jabsco 31631-0094 PAR-MAX4 pumps. The kits supplied by Amel are for Jabsco 31630 series pumps rather than 31631 series pumps.

Fortunately, all I needed to do was clean out the debris from each of the pumps. It was a simple and easy job. More importantly, I did not break anything in the process!!!

Some of you have copies of my spares list. My spares Excel spreadsheet lists part Nos. 30682-1000 & 30617-1000 as the repair kits for the pumps...This may be true on an Amel produced before or after #387. However, #387 pumps require No.18920-9053 Service Kit, which is specifically for a Jabsco 31631-0094 PAR-MAX4 pump.

So I guess this email will have all of the SM owners scrambling to see if you have it right or wrong...but like I said at the beginning, it is a rainy day, at least in Malaysia.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
blog: www.svbebe.com


Re: File space is critical in the files section of this website

lji004 <jose.luis.isasi@...>
 

Hi Bill,

I have deleted some old files. I hope nobody is concerned about them.

Thanks for the alert.
Jose Luis
GM

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

To the moderator and All,

The file space allocated for our FILES section is 100mb. Currently we are at 97% of our 100MB limit. I noticed this when I tried to uplaod a 5mb service manual for the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator. I am sure there are some of you that would want this.

First of all, I have a hard time believing that Yahoo has put such a small limit on their grooups...probably the reason that Google constantly kicks Yahoo's ass!

Secondly, I suppose we have do some house cleaning. This will involve each of us taking a look at our postings to the FILES section as well as the moderator taking a look at older files posted there by inactive members.

In the mean time, if anyone would like a copy of the service manual for the 24 volt Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator, email me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blogspot Blog: www.svbebe.com


Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

rossirossix4
 

Hi Yves,

Usually, if the ball valve looks like it is glassed over, it has not yet been replaced. If you look closely you should see that the material overlapping the valve is a relatively thin amount of gel coat and paint. There is a through hull fitting (not a seacock?), then a short stand pipe and the ball valve screws onto the top of this. It is my impression (having replaced 3 different valves) that while the stand pipe is very securely glassed in the gel coat/paint will not prevent you from unscrewing the ball valve.

I don't think anyone will tell you to unscrew it in the water because it is always safer to do it on the hard (and do all of them at once, and do them preventatively while you are on the hard). However, I can say that I would do it if it was not convenient to haul out. I would however fit a plug in the outlet while conducting the operation or be ready to plug from the dingy in case Murphey's law comes into effect.

In an earlier posting someone talks about using what I will call a "string saw"--they sell them for cutting PVC pipe--to score the gel coat before rotating the valve out. I did this but didn't make that much progress and worried about wearing the threads on the stand pipe.

I used a pipe wrench with a long 16" handle (or put a pipe on the handle of a shorter pipe wrench) and it eased off using considerable rotational force.

On reassembly you can use many winds of teflon tape or something like Life-Calk Sealant on the threads of the stand pipe. Either one will help establish a leak proof seal and aid in removal next time you replace one.

I'm not on my boat right now but I thought the valve was bonded to the boats ground. If you use a Marelon plastic ball valve you would need to bond the stand pipe and I think this would be difficult to do because there is not a gap between the ball valve and the pipe once you screw it on. So that's it.

Excuse this digression. I've got to tell this related story! On my boat the raw water intake to the engine is set up the same way. I was with my mechanic (who had not had previous experience with Amels but had familiarized himself with mine). I complained that it looked like Amel had glassed in the ball valve and not considered problems with replacement. At that point he became quite serious and even a bit emotional saying something to the effect of "Look at this boat and the way everything is done! Do you REALLY think that they would do that? No...no...no" and he went on a bit brow beating me. He was right, the valve eased right off with a fair amount of torque from the long pipe wrench. Like many Amel owners, I don't often need to have professionals do work for me, but when they do they make comments like "Its good to see a boat where they did things right" or "That's a very well thought out idea". I've even had them bring over other boat owners to show them how something should have been done.

Bob
Brittany de la Mer 1993 Santorin #86

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@...> wrote:

Bonjour John,

The valve itself is definitely above the waterline and can be removed while the boat is in the water.
The problem I am facing is that it is difficult to remove / unscrew from the seacock, beeing sure not to dammage the seacock itself.

The valve is a 1-1/4 in brass. perhaps can it be replaced by a Makrolon one.

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-14
----- Message reçu -----
De : johnabo2003
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 15:46:35
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


I would also like to replace the forward head holding tank drain pipe and service the seacock. Can the seacock and down pipe be safely removed whilst the boat is in the water. In other words is the thread for the seacock above the waterline?

Does anybody know the thread size and material of the seacock so that I can order a spare in advance of going to the boat?

John
SM 394

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@> wrote:

Bonjour John,

I will try to do it that way as soon as I can get a new valve, hoping that mine will come out as easily as yours...dismounting is very often far more difficult than installing a new gear.

Best wishes

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2010-04-13
----- Message reçu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 10:33:55
Sujet : Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


Hello Yves,
I think I understand ! But you have to unscew the whole valve complete and replace it with a new one.
That is what I did a few years ago. It was pretty easy once I got the hose off. The central part of the valve is not removable so far as I know so the whole unit has to be sent to be recycled if you want to get full brownie points.

Best wishes, John, SM 319
----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K



Bonjour Anne and John,

And thank you for your help.

I am not so strong but the shaft has very little material: OD 9 mm threaded, a hole inside of 3 mm. and a cut of 1.5 mm each side for the handle leaving only a maximum of 3 working mm of material where it broke.

I usually wash the tank, while closed, with fresh water and vinegar from the vent on deck...but it nevertheless happened to break !!

I understand how to remove the hose, but...

The problem I am facing is to remove (unscrew) the valve without breaking the seacock.

How can I seize the seacock to avoid distroying it while removing the valve itself ??
The seacock seems to be moulded in the plastic of the hull, without any thing beyond the moulding inside the boat in order to block it, , while unscewing the valve . A bit difficult to explain clearly with my limited English, but I hope you can grasp the point !!

Many Thanks and best wishes to both of you

Yves


BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2010-04-13
----- Message reçu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
À : amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-12, 10:13:14
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Dear Yves and Marie Christine,
The same valve seized up years ago on my boat and I had to replace it even though I was not so strong as to be able to break the shaft. To replace the valve remove the shelf and the plastic pipe from the holding tank. You will find that it is best to make a vertical slash in it where it is stuck onto the tank and the valve with a razor knife. You will then be able to remove the damaged valve and fit a new one using proper sanitary hose.
It was not my favourite job especially as one inevitably gets on intimate terms with the WC pan !
I suppose that whilst the tube is open you should feel the inside to see whether you should do a descaling job as described by S/V Bebe in the archives.

Best wishes from Anne and John

----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Hello everybody,

I have a problem with the fore heads valve because I closed it for a very short time and when I wanted to reopen it, the handle shaft broke with the valve closed...although I operate it from time to time.

Fortunately, with a lot of efforts, I managed to open it with a Ezy-out left turn screw extractor.

Now I have to change it....without damaging the seacock., which does not seem to be easy !!

Although I cannot immagine I am the first one with this problem, I could not find a word about it on the forum, even with the search fuction, John,

Has anyone faced this problem?

All advices welcome

Regards

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@
2009-12-11








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Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

richard03801@...
 

To all. When we have had to replace the valves we used 2 pipe wrenches one to stop any damage to the mounting (turn as if to tighten the other with a longer handle to loosen) it's worked every time. I know the US and Euro pipe threads or should be the same we find that only the European valves fit properly. Be sure to use a none hardening sealer on the threads.
Good luck
Richard on SM209
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-----Original Message-----
From: "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@...>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:45:35
To: amelyachtowners<amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Bonjour John,

The valve itself is definitely above the waterline and can be removed while the boat is in the water.
The problem I am facing is that it is difficult to remove / unscrew from the seacock, beeing sure not to dammage the seacock itself.

The valve is a 1-1/4 in brass. perhaps can it be replaced by a Makrolon one.

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-14
----- Message reu -----
De : johnabo2003
: amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 15:46:35
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


I would also like to replace the forward head holding tank drain pipe and service the seacock. Can the seacock and down pipe be safely removed whilst the boat is in the water. In other words is the thread for the seacock above the waterline?

Does anybody know the thread size and material of the seacock so that I can order a spare in advance of going to the boat?

John
SM 394

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "BM2"<bluemarinemartin@...> wrote:

Bonjour John,

I will try to do it that way as soon as I can get a new valve, hoping that mine will come out as easily as yours...dismounting is very often far more difficult than installing a new gear.

Best wishes

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-13
----- Message reu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
: amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-13, 10:33:55
Sujet : Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K


Hello Yves,
I think I understand ! But you have to unscew the whole valve complete and replace it with a new one.
That is what I did a few years ago. It was pretty easy once I got the hose off. The central part of the valve is not removable so far as I know so the whole unit has to be sent to be recycled if you want to get full brownie points.

Best wishes, John, SM 319
----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K



Bonjour Anne and John,

And thank you for your help.

I am not so strong but the shaft has very little material: OD 9 mm threaded, a hole inside of 3 mm. and a cut of 1.5 mm each side for the handle leaving only a maximum of 3 working mm of material where it broke.

I usually wash the tank, while closed, with fresh water and vinegar from the vent on deck...but it nevertheless happened to break !!

I understand how to remove the hose, but...

The problem I am facing is to remove (unscrew) the valve without breaking the seacock.

How can I seize the seacock to avoid distroying it while removing the valve itself ??
The seacock seems to be moulded in the plastic of the hull, without any thing beyond the moulding inside the boat in order to block it, , while unscewing the valve . A bit difficult to explain clearly with my limited English, but I hope you can grasp the point !!

Many Thanks and best wishes to both of you

Yves


BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2010-04-13
----- Message reu -----
De : Anne and John Hollamby
: amelyachtowners
Date : 2010-04-12, 10:13:14
Sujet : Re: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Dear Yves and Marie Christine,
The same valve seized up years ago on my boat and I had to replace it even though I was not so strong as to be able to break the shaft. To replace the valve remove the shelf and the plastic pipe from the holding tank. You will find that it is best to make a vertical slash in it where it is stuck onto the tank and the valve with a razor knife. You will then be able to remove the damaged valve and fit a new one using proper sanitary hose.
It was not my favourite job especially as one inevitably gets on intimate terms with the WC pan !
I suppose that whilst the tube is open you should feel the inside to see whether you should do a descaling job as described by S/V Bebe in the archives.

Best wishes from Anne and John

----- Original Message -----
From: BM2
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: [Amel] Heads seacock on SM2K

Hello everybody,

I have a problem with the fore heads valve because I closed it for a very short time and when I wanted to reopen it, the handle shaft broke with the valve closed...although I operate it from time to time.

Fortunately, with a lot of efforts, I managed to open it with a Ezy-out left turn screw extractor.

Now I have to change it....without damaging the seacock., which does not seem to be easy !!

Although I cannot immagine I am the first one with this problem, I could not find a word about it on the forum, even with the search fuction, John,

Has anyone faced this problem?

All advices welcome

Regards

Yves

BM2
bluemarinemartin@...
2009-12-11








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Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
 

Hi Bill,
As i wrote you the inductive sensor IB 5076 is avelible from  ifm espana.  Price e 78,- delivery time 3-5 days e mail @ifm.com info.es  ore alex.cortes@... ( sales menager) tel 0034 934 793 080 fax 0034 973 086 Normaly dey suply companies, if you want i can order a sensor and send it to you. I m in Spain antil 15 of may,after that an the boat in Turkey.
Pepe SM 223




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From: <yahoogroups@...> svbebe
To: amelyachtowners@...
Posted: Tues, April 13, 2010 20:09
Subject: Re: [Amel] Chain Counter

 


Barry,

I Do Not see anything in the files section labeled "Chain Counter."

Could you Recheck and upload or email it to me at svbebe "at" gmail. com.

Best,

Bill
s / v BeBe, SM2k, # 387

I do not think Bill That is correct, I Received a reply from the
WHO manufacturer sent me a brochure of the part Which I Have uploaded in the
Files folder "Chain Counter." Place an order I Have and Have Had the order
Confirmed, Awaiting delivery.






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