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Chlorine in Bilges

Bob Fritz
 

Consider this. The issue here is not chlorine gas in the bilge somehow reacting with diesel fuel and causing an explosion. The "chlorine pellets" are not chlorine gas, but likely contain sodium hypochlorate, the active chemical found in low concentration in ordinary bleach. This is an oxidizing agent which may react violently with diesel fuel at high concentration, but is not a problem at low concentration. The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission recommends using low concentrations of sodium hypochlorate to clean diesel tanks found at nuclear power plants. Presumably, the danger is insignificant based on this recommendation.

In the Amel situation the pellets are added to the aqueous solution in the sump. An insignificant amount of chlorine gas might be released by the reaction of the chemical with organic material in the sump. Unless the sump were full of diesel and lots of sodium hypochlorate was added, there would be no problem. The chances of blowing the boat up with a propane leak are infinitely greater. If the bilge were full of chlorine gas, you'd be dead long before you had to worry about an explosion.

Bob


Re: Chlorine in Bilges

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

Does anyone relise how explosive chlorine and diesel is?


Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
 

Trevor, SEAFEVER OF CUAN



Thanks for the info on the chlorine tablets. Clearly they do not appear to harm the pump diaphragms or hoses so i will get some tablets now. ( Before I leave for Mull of Kintyre and the sound of Cuan ! )



Malcolm,

S/M 464

Bon Jovi



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of gwollenberg
Sent: 12 June 2010 16:06
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question





Trevor,
Where do you put the chlorine tablets? In the bulge? Second,where did you get the chlorine tablets (vendor,size, type, etc.?)?
Thanks,
Gary Wollenberg
AMEL 54
"Bozo Cinq"

--- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for ,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


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This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "svresolute" <svresolute@> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144







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Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Odour Solution - Chlorine Tablets

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi all:

I have never experienced this issue but then I only get to be on my boat for about three weeks at a time. I do use some bilge cleaner in my bilge about once a week while aboard.

Please keep in mind that chlorine tablets and the resultant released chlorine are very corrosive to metals. Chlorine is a gas and may find its way out of the bilge to other nearby metals. If you have ever left the lid off your chlorine table bucket for a few dasy you will find corrosion on metals nearby the bucket. There is a keel bolt and the copper grounding strap in the gray water bilge that could be adversely affected by the dissolved chlorine and the gas can spread.

Have those who use the chlorine tablets noticed any issues in this regard?

Gary Silver
Amel SM2000
Hull #335

--- In amelyachtowners@..., bootlegger@... wrote:

This is the most useful piece of information I've seen in here for a
while. It has provided me with and instant solution to a problem I've been
unable to properly overcome since purchasing my SM2 three years ago.

Thankfully I've got the solution before leaving the ABC islands for the
San Blas islands where I suspect any enquiries for items such as chlorine
tablets is unlikely to result in anything more than blank stares by way of
response.

Thank you and thank you again Trevor.

FRANK NEWTON
"Bootlegger of Mann"
Amel SM2 # 321




Hi Gary,
just chuck a couple in the bilge every two or three weeks when
living on board and I always throw in three or four before I leave
the boat for a while.
I have no idea of brand, but the boat has been in South America for the
past eighteen months and I have been able to find them in hardware stores
or supermarkets. Every time that I do spot them I tend to purchase a
quantity.
your aye,
Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
#425
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "gwollenberg" <bozocinq@>
wrote:

Trevor,
Where do you put the chlorine tablets? In the bulge? Second,where did
you get the chlorine tablets (vendor,size, type, etc.?)?
Thanks,
Gary Wollenberg
AMEL 54
"Bozo Cinq"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan"
<seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of
chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to
a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for
,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw
the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft
cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board
and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses
them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@>
wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously
prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and
milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons.
However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source
with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than
even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this
sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you
with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and
shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the
trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and
underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter
ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory
results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@>
wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it
looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the
bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can
envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144







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Maramu Galley Sink Drain Odour Solution - Chlorine Tablets

bootlegger@...
 

This is the most useful piece of information I've seen in here for a
while. It has provided me with and instant solution to a problem I've been
unable to properly overcome since purchasing my SM2 three years ago.

Thankfully I've got the solution before leaving the ABC islands for the
San Blas islands where I suspect any enquiries for items such as chlorine
tablets is unlikely to result in anything more than blank stares by way of
response.

Thank you and thank you again Trevor.

FRANK NEWTON
"Bootlegger of Mann"
Amel SM2 # 321

Hi Gary,
just chuck a couple in the bilge every two or three weeks when
living on board and I always throw in three or four before I leave
the boat for a while.
I have no idea of brand, but the boat has been in South America for the
past eighteen months and I have been able to find them in hardware stores
or supermarkets. Every time that I do spot them I tend to purchase a
quantity.
your aye,
Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
#425
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "gwollenberg" <bozocinq@...>
wrote:

Trevor,
Where do you put the chlorine tablets? In the bulge? Second,where did
you get the chlorine tablets (vendor,size, type, etc.?)?
Thanks,
Gary Wollenberg
AMEL 54
"Bozo Cinq"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan"
<seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of
chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to
a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for
,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw
the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft
cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board
and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses
them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@>
wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously
prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and
milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons.
However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source
with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than
even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this
sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you
with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and
shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the
trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and
underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter
ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory
results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@>
wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it
looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the
bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can
envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144










Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Hi Gary,
just chuck a couple in the bilge every two or three weeks when living on board and I always throw in three or four before I leave the boat for a while.
I have no idea of brand, but the boat has been in South America for the past eighteen months and I have been able to find them in hardware stores or supermarkets. Every time that I do spot them I tend to purchase a quantity.
your aye,
Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
#425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "gwollenberg" <bozocinq@...> wrote:

Trevor,
Where do you put the chlorine tablets? In the bulge? Second,where did you get the chlorine tablets (vendor,size, type, etc.?)?
Thanks,
Gary Wollenberg
AMEL 54
"Bozo Cinq"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for ,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144









Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

gwollenberg <bozocinq@...>
 

Trevor,
Where do you put the chlorine tablets? In the bulge? Second,where did you get the chlorine tablets (vendor,size, type, etc.?)?
Thanks,
Gary Wollenberg
AMEL 54
"Bozo Cinq"

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for ,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144







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Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Kent,
when I bought my Super Maramu in 07, there were several bottles of chlorine tablets on board, similar to those that you would add to a swimming pool daily. I couldn't understand what these were for ,so I threw them out!
Mid Atlantic December 2008 the smell was so bad I was ready to throw the fridge over board. The odour had travelled to the fore and aft cabins from the bilge along the plastic pipes, it was gut wrenching.
On arriving in Brazil I had Patrick Nagels from "Amelcaramel" on board and I was apologising for the smell. His reply,
"don't you have any chlorine tablets on board? everyone in France uses them"
I have never had a problem since!
fair winds,
Trevor Lusty
Seafever of Cuan
no 425

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144







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[Amel] Re: Autohelm 7000 low battery

joseph mc donnell
 

Hi all
We found the problem to be the circuit board in the wiring junction box attached to the course computer. Over time (ours is a 1992 Santorin) the metal circuit strips decayed and developed hair line cracks, this in turn caused intermittent problems with the auto pilot, namely o switch itself of or loose course. 3 years ago,after checking everything else, one of our club members, an electronics wiz, found the problems with the circuit board, removed it and replaced itwith a new board. There have been no problems since,and thats despite some serious cruising from Norway to Spain from our base in Dublin

Regards Joe McDonnell

--- In amelyachtowners@..., " Anne and John Hollamby" <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Pat, You could take it to a local electronics guru and ask him to check the power transistors as these are the ones that make the connection to the 12 volt rudder drive.

Worth a try, John, SM319 Bali Hai

----- Original Message -----
From: sailw32@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Autohelm 7000 low battery



Richard, I have 24v going into the computer terminal but nothing coming out
to the motor.I figure the computer is responsible for making this happen,(
electric to flow out the other terminals to the motor.) I could send it
off to Ray Marine, but I suppose they would charge a fortune to fix it or
more likely tell me to replace it.
Thanks,Pat SM123


In a message dated 6/9/2010 6:57:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
richard03801@... writes:

Hi Pat, did you check the power terminals to be sure the connections are
good at both ends?
You might also try a jumper between a good working 24 volt terminal set
and the 7000 to see if maybe there is a wire issue.
I'd do a lot more checking before looking for a replacement.$$$$
Good luck.
Richard and Joan on SM 209

________________________________
From: "_sailw32@..._ (mailto:sailw32@...) " <_sailw32@..._
(mailto:sailw32@...) >
To: _amelyachtowners@...
(mailto:amelyachtowners@...)
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 6:46:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Autohelm 7000 low battery

I sprayed Corrosion X in all the terminals saturating the wire and
connections. The autohelm is still displaying a low battery message.I fear
I may
have to replace the computer. If anyone has any thoughts to anything else
the
problem may be, I would welcome their insight.

Thanks,Pat SM 123

In a message dated 6/3/2010 5:36:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_mbidwell@..._ (mailto:mbidwell@...) writes:

I first came across Corrosion X in Trinidad where they told me that the
heavy duty Corrosion X was the only thing that would prevent rust on the
travel lift. I have used it ever since. Last week it brought a water pump
back to life. Unlike WD-40, Corrosion X is a good high pressure lubricant.
I agree with you that the stuff is great.

Miles Bidwell SM 216 (LADYBUG)

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Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

The solution we have used on all three Amels we have owned--Sharki, Maramu and SM--was passed on to us 20 years ago by a very particular Swiss lady owner. Where the pipes from the galley and forward shower enter the sump we added stainless tubes about 3 inches long. This enables us to put the foot of a nylon stocking over these pipes and the nylon acts as a very fine sieve, catching everything except water. This helps hugely in keeping the smell of the bilge down though we still give the bilge a good clean out with a hose every so often. Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hamble .

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: yahoogroups@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:22:43 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

I spent some time in the "large and very nice yacht" business. With that point of view, what Amel does with gray water is quite normal unless you have the option of a treatment system. Another point of view favorable to the Amel system for gray water is minimizing the number of thru-hulls.

Frankly, I have great admiration for the approach that Amel has taken with gray water and tell myself this over-and-over every time I clean the sump to freshen things up...this helps my point of view.

Anyway, my two cents.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Singapore




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Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

karkauai
 

I KNEW someone would have answers to the odor problem.
Thanks, Bob, will give it a try.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:


From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:06 AM


 



This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144







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Re: [Amel] Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

Howard Berger
 

I received a reply from a friend, Dave Wallace, who also owns a Maramu and he told me on his boat, the galley sinks drain out a through-hull in the lazarette. Seems like they changed that setup in the SM.

I agree with the comment of not using bleach. Over time, it can wreck the pick up hoses as happened to another friend's boat.

Interesting comment about hair....

Thanks for all the responses. Any Maramu owners out there want to add in?

Regards,
Howard

--- In amelyachtowners@..., richard03801@... wrote:

We use Simply Green we do NOT use bleach because it will attach the rubber and SS. We also flush the bilge when we can.
Richard SM209
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Phillips <MPhillips@...>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:16:55
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

Hi Kent,



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: 09 June 2010 14:07
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question





Hi, Howard,
That is how Amel does their grey water. We have to be very careful on
Kristy SM243 not to put any foodstuffs down the sink, but even so will
get a funky smell from the bilge every few days even when we're not
cooking...just from shower/sink drainage. I put a little bleach and a
little soap in each of the sinks and run it into the bilge, let it sit a
while, then pump it out using the whale pump that takes almost all of
the water out (rather than the electric pump that leaves a good bit in
the bilge). If I do that about twice a week I don't get any smell from
the bilge, and I use the whale pump on a regular basis to keep it from
drying out and make sure it works.

I'd be interested if anyone else has another solution to the grey water
smells. I have thoroughly cleaned the bilge last Fall, but it didn't
really change the odor issue.

Kent
SM243
KRISTY







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Re: Plexiglass

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Here is some more information on the Micro-mesh kit I usually use:

http://www.sisweb.com/micromesh/acrylic_plastic_hand_kits.htm

Gary


Re: Plexiglass

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Tom & Kirstin:

I am an certified aircraft mechanic (among other things) and we deal with plexiglass
a lot as most aircraft windows are plexiglass. You don't post whether the scratches
are on the surface of within the substance of the material but there is a difference.

In my experience the majority of the scratches we have on our Amel SM2000 Hull #
335 are surface scratches. These arose when we left our boat in Antigua with the
Amel supplied window cover on and the Montserrat volcano spread ash over the area.
The abrasive ash got between the cover and the plexiglass and as the cover flapped
in the breeze it upbraided the window. Those types of scratches can be polished
out. Hand polishing is best. You can go online to www.aircraftspruce.com and search
for a "micromesh" kit. It comes with all the components needed to treat a couple of
windows, but be prepared to spend hours and hours doing this. If you use power
tools to do this you need to use lots of cooling water and low speeds so that heat
build up on the window won't distort the optics. We now place terri cloth covers
between the window and the window cover and that has mitigated the entrance of
dirt and abrasive grit when the boat is stored.

More common than the above is what is called crazing. This can be on the surface
but is also deep within the matrix of the plexiglass. It first appears as small
spicules or pin point dots that are seen when the sunlight strikes the window at
a particular angle. It can then over time progress to long scratch like appearing
"craze" marks within the plexiglass. It seem nobody really knows why this occurs
but it is thought to be induced by heat, stress, and UV and is probably some sort
of crystaline change in the molecular structure of the plexiglass. The only cure
for bad crazing is replacement as it is deep within the matrix of the plexiglass
and no amount of polishing will work. Preventive measures include keeping the heat
down (i.e. covering the window with airspace between so that there isn't heat
build up in the window) , minimizing stresses (not stepping on the windows and
avoinding rogue waves from crashing upon them) , and shielding the window
from UV (i.e. using a cover when the boat isn't being used. All of those things
are hard to do on boats and airplanes. So we just resign ourselves to replacing
those windows periodically. Fortunately the boat windows are cheap compared
to the airplane windows. My last set of aircraft windows (2) cost me around
$15,000.

Lastly, there are special techniques for cutting and drilling plexiglass and I
would agree that you can do your own for relatively little money. I think if
you do some searching on the internet you will find the necessary skills. If
not call Aircraft Spruce and ask for their instructions on doing it.

All the best, Gary Silver

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@...> wrote:

Don't know the source of the damage (new boat to us) but our plexiglass in the cockpit is scratched/damaged in places. Looks like either UV or someone went crazy with an abrasive compound. Anyone have a source for replicating the four pieces ? I asked around my marina and was shocked at the prices I heard.

THX- Tom and Kirstin on L'ORIENT SM2K #422


Re: [Amel] Re: Plexiglass

Jean Boucharlat
 

Another method, for rather small patches, is to use toothpaste (no joke). It
contains a mild abrasive, to avoid scratching one's tooth enamel, and does
the job quite well. Obviously it turns out to be quite expensive on large
surfaces.



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of joemac4sail
Sent: jeudi 10 juin 2010 13:03
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Plexiglass






Hello Tom
I recently heard of a solution for getting rid of scrathes on Plexiglass and
that is to use Brasso metal polish.There are polishing compounds on sale for
the purpose, but I hear it is used in a certain yard in La Rochelle. It
comes in liquid form and has a very mild abrassive compound. Try it on a
corner of the plexiglass and see if it helps. There is one drawback, you
have to supply the elbow grease.
Regards Joe McDonnell


[Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I spent some time in the "large and very nice yacht" business. With that point of view, what Amel does with gray water is quite normal unless you have the option of a treatment system. Another point of view favorable to the Amel system for gray water is minimizing the number of thru-hulls.

Frankly, I have great admiration for the approach that Amel has taken with gray water and tell myself this over-and-over every time I clean the sump to freshen things up...this helps my point of view.

Anyway, my two cents.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Singapore


Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

richard03801@...
 

Thanks that was a great way to put it. We had never heard the HAIR story before. Thanks. Richard SM209
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-----Original Message-----
From: "rossirossix4" <rossidesigngroup@...>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:06:20
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144


Re: Plexiglass

joseph mc donnell
 

Hello Tom
I recently heard of a solution for getting rid of scrathes on Plexiglass and that is to use Brasso metal polish.There are polishing compounds on sale for the purpose, but I hear it is used in a certain yard in La Rochelle. It comes in liquid form and has a very mild abrassive compound. Try it on a corner of the plexiglass and see if it helps. There is one drawback, you have to supply the elbow grease.
Regards Joe McDonnell


Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

Hi All, We have a 1982 vintage Mango wich had the same system. I'm quite surprised to find out that such a prestigious yacht as the Super Maramu still uses this system. The previous owner of our boat was a ship builder as was so revolted at the thought of grey water in  the bilge that he made the forward shower with a watertight sump and it's own special pump and float switch. I think its teed into the head outlet. The sink doesn't drain into the bilge either as I have never heard the pump go off when the plug is pulled. I'll have to check when I'm at the boat next to see what he did there.....Cheers... Conn SV Jasmyn 




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From: rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 3:06:20 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

 
This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144






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Re: Maramu Galley Sink Drain Question

rossirossix4
 

This may seem bizarre but its true. Even though we religiously prevented ANY food material (using paper towels to wipe out food and milk residues, we had some odor problems in previous seasons. However, during the last 2 seasons we have eliminated another source with impressive results--HAIR. Yes hair. Nothing smells worse than even extremely small amounts of hair in the bilge. I know this sounds far fetched but it made all the difference--for those of you with XY chromosomes, when you shave your beards, wipe the hair and shaving cream off you face with a paper towel and throw it in the trash. Those of you with XX chromosomes, do the same with leg and underarm hair. While the plastic mesh catches longer hairs, shorter ones pass right through into the bilge with devastating olfactory results.

Cheers,

Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

We are installing new sinks in the galley on Maramu 144 and it looks like the boat as designed had them drain directly into the bilge. Is that correct? If so, I don't much care for it as I can envision food particles winding up there and rotting.

Would appreciate any feedback from other Maramu owners.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ
Maramu 144