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Re: [Amel] SM Davits

richard03801@...
 

Come to Annapolis see Madden and other good quality vendors here that will build what you need.
Richard SM 209
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 04:14:43
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Subject: [Amel] SM Davits

Back again...trying to keep these ?'s separate for future searches.

I'm going to put some davits on KRISTY. Have read all the prior posts I could find, and looked at the few posted pics of davits. So far I think I'd like to have just davits without the overhead panel for solar panels, etc. Those of you that have relatively low profile swing-out davits have any thoughts about performance, installation problems, electric winches, raising the dink with outboard attached, or other issues I should know about? What brands have been tried on the SM with success or failure? Any problems with certain size/weight dinks? Anybody have a separate "crane" to lift the outboard without having to use the mizzen boom?
Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


Re: [Amel] Replacing Standing Rigging

richard03801@...
 

If You are in the Annapolis area look up Madden Mast they are as good as it gets. Has something failed or broken?
Good luck
Richard SM209
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Kent Robertson" <karkauai@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 04:03:32
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Replacing Standing Rigging

Hey, Y'all,
Just got back from New Orleans, where I grew up. Boy, they are really struggling with the oil spill down there...and just about the time it looked like they were going to survive Katrina.

But I digress...

I'm going to have my standing rigging replaced this summer and have read all the previous posts I could find regarding same. What are your thoughts about swaged vs mechanical fittings? Would you replace all the hardware, too? I'm thinking I'll go with the swaged fittings and keep the best old one of each size as spares. Maybe buy an extra-long mechanical fitting of each size to do repairs as I'm told that breaks usually occur at the lower-end fittings. Could maybe do a repair even at sea??? Would you change to US sizes instead of metric?...I'll be sailing in S. Pacific before these start to wear out, so I'd like to have some ability to do repairs if something snapped.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


Painting a SM

Eric Freedman
 

I was wondering how many gallons of bottom paint you all use to do 2 coats
of paint and an extra coat at the water line.

I have had my boat painted many times but something unusual happened this
season and I wonder what the consensus is. I use an ablative paint.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] Re: Mounting of AIS GPS ANTENNA

Eric Freedman
 

Bill,

I already had an ais receive only antenna mounted on the top of the mizzen
dedicated to the AIS only.



I have now purchased an AIS transceiver and my question was where do I mount
the GPS dome for the new AIS unit?



Thanks for all of your work, photos and advice on our boats.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Mounting of AIS GPS ANTENNA





Eric,

You will loose a lot of distance with VHF by mounting it low.

Our AIS receiver which currently shares the AM/FM antenna on the main mast.
The AM/FM antenna on SM #387 is identical to the VHF antenna. I used a BNC
"T" to split the antenna wire for the radio and the AIS receiver. I have
noticed no problems with either the radio or the AIS receiver. This will not
work for a AIS transponder, but, I am considering buying a small antenna for
the radio, placing it inside the radio drawer. This will leave the AM/FM
antenna exclusively for the AIS transponder.

On SM #387, the triadic stay is rigged with insulators and the coax cable
from the stay terminates in a coil behind the radio/Hydra drawer. I think it
is too long for proper VHF (300mhtz = 1.6 feet of antenna for one-half of
the signal's total wavelength), but possibly could be used to receive AM/FM,
freeing up the Main Mast AM/FM antenna for your transponder.

Let me know what you do.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
currently Malaysia

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
wrote:


Hi,
I just changed out my AIS receive only for a AIS Transceiver.
We are receiving ships up to 120 miles away.
However I am wondering where I can mount the GPS antenna on my Amel Super
Maramu #376 Kimberlite.

One side of the stern rail has the HF antenna the other the ships GPS.
The mizzen top has the navtex antenna, a seeme transponder and the AIS
receive antenna.

Any Ideas as to where to mount the antenna.
Fair Winds Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: Mounting of AIS GPS ANTENNA

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

You will loose a lot of distance with VHF by mounting it low.

Our AIS receiver which currently shares the AM/FM antenna on the main mast. The AM/FM antenna on SM #387 is identical to the VHF antenna. I used a BNC "T" to split the antenna wire for the radio and the AIS receiver. I have noticed no problems with either the radio or the AIS receiver. This will not work for a AIS transponder, but, I am considering buying a small antenna for the radio, placing it inside the radio drawer. This will leave the AM/FM antenna exclusively for the AIS transponder.

On SM #387, the triadic stay is rigged with insulators and the coax cable from the stay terminates in a coil behind the radio/Hydra drawer. I think it is too long for proper VHF (300mhtz = 1.6 feet of antenna for one-half of the signal's total wavelength), but possibly could be used to receive AM/FM, freeing up the Main Mast AM/FM antenna for your transponder.

Let me know what you do.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
currently Malaysia

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,
I just changed out my AIS receive only for a AIS Transceiver.
We are receiving ships up to 120 miles away.
However I am wondering where I can mount the GPS antenna on my Amel Super
Maramu #376 Kimberlite.

One side of the stern rail has the HF antenna the other the ships GPS.
The mizzen top has the navtex antenna, a seeme transponder and the AIS
receive antenna.

Any Ideas as to where to mount the antenna.
Fair Winds Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: Loosing oil from Furler Genua

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Casper

Yes it is normal to loose greas from the bottom of your furling drum. Amel fills the entire foil with grease to help the foil to turn. I am sure at some point this needs to be replaced. Has anyone done this.

Vito

ASM 283

Wanderer Currently in Opua NZ
captain in Tonga

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "camacfinancial" <camacfinancial@...> wrote:

Dear all,

I am loosing oil (greece) from the bottom of the electric furler of the Genua.

Is this a normal thing?

I see there is a nipple on top where I could refill. Does someone know if that is the solution and if so what should I put in there?

Kindest Regards

Caspar

Sueno Azul
SM 39


SM Davits

karkauai
 

Back again...trying to keep these ?'s separate for future searches.

I'm going to put some davits on KRISTY. Have read all the prior posts I could find, and looked at the few posted pics of davits. So far I think I'd like to have just davits without the overhead panel for solar panels, etc. Those of you that have relatively low profile swing-out davits have any thoughts about performance, installation problems, electric winches, raising the dink with outboard attached, or other issues I should know about? What brands have been tried on the SM with success or failure? Any problems with certain size/weight dinks? Anybody have a separate "crane" to lift the outboard without having to use the mizzen boom?
Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


Replacing Standing Rigging

karkauai
 

Hey, Y'all,
Just got back from New Orleans, where I grew up. Boy, they are really struggling with the oil spill down there...and just about the time it looked like they were going to survive Katrina.

But I digress...

I'm going to have my standing rigging replaced this summer and have read all the previous posts I could find regarding same. What are your thoughts about swaged vs mechanical fittings? Would you replace all the hardware, too? I'm thinking I'll go with the swaged fittings and keep the best old one of each size as spares. Maybe buy an extra-long mechanical fitting of each size to do repairs as I'm told that breaks usually occur at the lower-end fittings. Could maybe do a repair even at sea??? Would you change to US sizes instead of metric?...I'll be sailing in S. Pacific before these start to wear out, so I'd like to have some ability to do repairs if something snapped.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


Mounting of AIS GPS ANTENNA

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,
I just changed out my AIS receive only for a AIS Transceiver.
We are receiving ships up to 120 miles away.
However I am wondering where I can mount the GPS antenna on my Amel Super
Maramu #376 Kimberlite.

One side of the stern rail has the HF antenna the other the ships GPS.
The mizzen top has the navtex antenna, a seeme transponder and the AIS
receive antenna.

Any Ideas as to where to mount the antenna.
Fair Winds Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] Loosing oil from Furler Genua

leonorebt@...
 

Hello Casper and Maud,
Sorry to hear about your furler problem. We have not had any leaking from Genua furler and I do not believe that leaking is normal; seems a seal has failed. On our SM 72 there is not a grease fitting. When we replaced our main furler motor, we used a silicone based grease on the gearing and expect that is good for all the gearing systems except for the windlass which uses oil. How has your trip been going?
Regards, Bill and Trudy Leonore of Sark

----- Original Message -----
From: camacfinancial
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/23/2010 6:21:57 PM
Subject: [Amel] Loosing oil from Furler Genua



Dear all,

I am loosing oil (greece) from the bottom of the electric furler of the Genua.

Is this a normal thing?

I see there is a nipple on top where I could refill. Does someone know if that is the solution and if so what should I put in there?

Kindest Regards

Caspar

Sueno Azul
SM 39




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Loosing oil from Furler Genua

camacfinancial <camacfinancial@...>
 

Dear all,

I am loosing oil (greece) from the bottom of the electric furler of the Genua.

Is this a normal thing?

I see there is a nipple on top where I could refill. Does someone know if that is the solution and if so what should I put in there?

Kindest Regards

Caspar

Sueno Azul
SM 39


Re: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu 1991 -price?

richard03801@...
 

Take a look on the Yacht World site regarding prices as they vary from boat to boat based on condition and equipment. You may also wish to contact Joel Potter in the States he is a broker that sells a lot of Amels.
Good luck
Richard SM 209
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Subject: [Amel] Amel Super Maramu 1991 -price?

Hi,
We are considering buying a Super Maramu from 1991, however with engine and generator from 2007. What would be an appropriate price for a boat this old? Is 200.000 Euros too much asked? And question nr. 2: what are the 5 greatest benefits of the Super Maramu and what are its weekest points. The aim is long term sailing with family (incl. 2 younger kids)in the Med and Caribbean.
Thanks for any advice.
regards, Ingo


Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

hardystock@ymail.com <hardystock@...>
 

Hi Amalia...

ohhh... competition ;-))) LOL... thanks for sharing your experience with us...

If you have any questions and I know the answer... please ask...

Tomorrow we will write to AMEL... maybe we're lucky and will get some additional docs and information... we have a bussiness card of one guy from the selling people, we met at the BOOT fair in Duesseldorf January this year...

If you`re interested we can share this with you, if we have some success...

Good luck for your search...

Heike & Hardy

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "amalia.sunto" <amalia.sunto@...> wrote:

Hi there,

I have also recently started to look for Santorin and what I found from my researches:
1. there is not a lot of info regarding this model in the web.
2. sailors with experience will tell you this:
the Santorin is actually a smaller version of the Super Maramu with less few features, however as it is Amel product the boat concept is focused in:
Safety - the center (deep) cockpit the heavy keel and the hull are giving very safe feel even in high seas (can't compare this to any of the new mass production boats), and you will be surprised how this boat feels in relatively strong winds and high seas compare to others.
Easy handling - thanks to the electric furling motors, the bow thruster and the remote windlass - all necassary controls are coming to the cockpit.
Dry - the amels are very dry boats, I have inspected 3, all were dry at the normal problem areas, moreover, all were with the original wood works and upholstery looked like new.
All major areas of maintenance are very access able including the rudder, autopilot, electrical switches and obviously the engine.

The thing which you must check, except of all technical issues is the ceiling vinyl covers which have to be replaced after 10 - 15 years, this can be costly to replace and the last Santorin produced in 1997, by now there is no way that the original is / was due to be replaced.

otherwise, for a couple who is looking for good comfortable cruising boat more to the classic than mass production, with a bit of character, this must be the right boat.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:



Heike & Hardy,

I am convinced that you are making a very good decision on the Amel brand. My wife and I own a Super Maramu 2000 rather than a Santorin, but as you know, there are similarities. The following is a list of things I put together for someone buying a Super Maramu...most of these are in addition to all of the normal things your surveyor will check. Possibly it will help you:

• My experience with an Amel is that the components and systems chosen by Mr. Amel operate in harmony and balance. I have seen serious problems caused by modifications that change this harmony. Document all of the non-Amel modifications previous owners have made to the boat. Verify with someone familiar with Amel that the modifications are not harmful to other systems. You can probably get an experienced answer by posing a question regarding a modification to this group.
• Have the ground (bonding) system for a leak or short. Modifications can change how these systems were designed and electrolysis can ruin your day. If you are your surveyor is not familiar with how to check this, find a marine electrician…identifying a problem is this area will be worth the cost.
• Check the Amel specific Periodic Maintenance Schedule and document that Amel recommended maintenance has been performed. A copy of the Super Maramu Maintenance Schedule is at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF8gTIaqoUxzN2Z0Z5UPf3507s-MbccW0JYZRZn6Rii8gFARjRIZ9gdJSavm3b75wl1rc5U6-G1dAekLrgHomyqeRh4/Super%20Maramu%20Maint.%20Info%20/Maintenance%20Schedule.pdf
• When was the last time the brass wear bushing and 3 seals were replaced on the propeller shaft? Max should be less than 800-1,000hrs
• When was the last time seals were replaced on the bow thruster? Max 2 years
• Check for play in the bow thruster propeller…any noticeable play means that the nylon hub and steel pin plus all of the nylon screws should be replaced…replace oil, seals, etc. when doing this.
• Look for signs of water in the front cabin...water stains on the carpet inside the storage under the bunks. (this is likely caused by leaving the bow thruster deployed when sailing). But, if there are signs, get an answer.
• The water maker is an expensive item...run it for at least an hour and check to see if it is making the rated amount of water and have the TDS measured (should be less than 500ppm and if new membranes as low as 100ppm. A TDS measurement device will cost as little as $25USD and all of these devices use the same Siemens chip.
• Run the washer for a full "Economy" cycle...do not worry with a dryer cycle as the dryer is not good and you will not use it.
• Run the three A/C units...but not while the water maker is running...too many amps.
• Load-test each of the batteries
• Get someone to check the rigging standing and running...probably no problems, but this will ease your mind that you have a good starting point.
• Locate the two extra sails: mizzen ballooner and foresail ballooner and the running rigging for these sails.
• Check the top of the rudder post...everything tight? Any signs of water?
• If equipped with an AutoProp, when were the bearings last replaced?…probably should be replaced at 2,000 hours
• Check the electric furling on the headsail and the main furling and outhaul. Should operate smoothly and without grinding gear noises.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blog: http:www.svbebe.com


Re: [Amel] Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

hardystock@ymail.com <hardystock@...>
 

Hi Lars...

thans for these information... yesterday we found in the archive of the German YACHT magazine a review of the Santorin of 1993... there we found a lot of new things about that boat, e.g. sailing capabilities, noise of motor and so on... looks really great...

Unfortunatelly, as Amalia Sunto pointed out, there are not so many infos on the web... at least I know that there have been 145 Santorin built till 1997 and the most expensive offer is about 240000 Euro (Amel No 139 from 1997)...

The problem with the vinyl cover is alredy know from the AMEL Sharki... but I have already checked some other Amels on the WEB, doing a circumnavigation, and it seems to me, they so solved the problem by reclueing the vinyl and putting some addtional wood stripes in the edges of the inner boat celling

e.g. look at these nice pictures of an AMEL Ketch

http://www.segelyacht-cayenne.at/bilder/cayenne/index.html

so there might be a solution...

and maybe you can do me a big favour and send me a scan of your original electric wiring scheme... my wife speaks a perfect French and I'm an electronics engineer... so I should be able to read the symbols anyway...

Any other informations or docs are really welcome...

Thanks a lot and best greetings from "Good Old Germany"

Heike & Hardy...

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Lars H. Knudsen" <museum@...> wrote:

Hi Heike & Hardy



I am the owner of an Amel Santorin from 1993. In my experience very little
can go wrong with this model and it is basically identical to the Super
Maramu except for all the very expensive and maintenance demanding systems
like water maker, air conditioner, generator etc.



My largest problem with my 1993 model was the vinyl inner liner which
eventually got loose from the heat in The Med and did fall off. This has
given me a big job reattaching the vinyl. Besides this I would recommend to
check the engine and sails. And be very careful that there are not made
unauthorized modifications to the electrical system. This can be a nightmare
to fix or rewire as the Amel drawings (in my boat) are hand-made and in
French. This actually goes for all the documentation except the Perkins
engine which is luckily also in English.



I would also recommend to check the servicing of fire extinguishers and life
raft. It will be expensive to renew the life raft if the service is overdue
or the raft is more than 13 years old – which is about the service-life
producers like Zodiac recommends.



Electronics are sturdy and unlikely to fail – ever. But most Santorins got
old instrumentation which is expensive to integrate into newer technology.
If a boat got the old B&G Hercules system you may need to upgrade ROM's and
buy a special NMEA-capable display in order to connect it to auto pilot etc.
But it is possible.



Hope that this helps.



Good luck with your search. I would recommend an Amel Santorin at any time
to serious sailors.

Lars.



Fra: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af hardystock@...
Sendt: 22. juni 2010 11:06
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [Amel] Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...





Hello Judy and Bill...

thanks so much for this long answer... we will extract all nesessary itmes
and will prepare a list of checkouts and questions we will use when visiting
an offered Santorin next time...

Of course AMEL is fantastic... we have seen the AMEL 54 on a fair (BOOT in
Duesseldorf) here in Germany in Jan this year... unfortunatelly our budget
is not so big ;-))) LOLOL so we have to think a little bit smaller... and...
we do not have children so a boat of the Santorin size will be perfect for
us...

Do you know, if there are members out of Germany here in the forum, owning a
Santorin???

And do you have some experience with the people at AMEL itself... who can I
ask for more detailed information about the Santorin...

Again many thanks from Germany and good luck to you and your familiy...

Heike & Hardy...







Amel Super Maramu 1991 -price?

ikroksnes <ikroksnes@...>
 

Hi,
We are considering buying a Super Maramu from 1991, however with engine and generator from 2007. What would be an appropriate price for a boat this old? Is 200.000 Euros too much asked? And question nr. 2: what are the 5 greatest benefits of the Super Maramu and what are its weekest points. The aim is long term sailing with family (incl. 2 younger kids)in the Med and Caribbean.
Thanks for any advice.
regards, Ingo


Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

Amalia Sunto
 

Hi there,

I have also recently started to look for Santorin and what I found from my researches:
1. there is not a lot of info regarding this model in the web.
2. sailors with experience will tell you this:
the Santorin is actually a smaller version of the Super Maramu with less few features, however as it is Amel product the boat concept is focused in:
Safety - the center (deep) cockpit the heavy keel and the hull are giving very safe feel even in high seas (can't compare this to any of the new mass production boats), and you will be surprised how this boat feels in relatively strong winds and high seas compare to others.
Easy handling - thanks to the electric furling motors, the bow thruster and the remote windlass - all necassary controls are coming to the cockpit.
Dry - the amels are very dry boats, I have inspected 3, all were dry at the normal problem areas, moreover, all were with the original wood works and upholstery looked like new.
All major areas of maintenance are very access able including the rudder, autopilot, electrical switches and obviously the engine.

The thing which you must check, except of all technical issues is the ceiling vinyl covers which have to be replaced after 10 - 15 years, this can be costly to replace and the last Santorin produced in 1997, by now there is no way that the original is / was due to be replaced.

otherwise, for a couple who is looking for good comfortable cruising boat more to the classic than mass production, with a bit of character, this must be the right boat.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:



Heike & Hardy,

I am convinced that you are making a very good decision on the Amel brand. My wife and I own a Super Maramu 2000 rather than a Santorin, but as you know, there are similarities. The following is a list of things I put together for someone buying a Super Maramu...most of these are in addition to all of the normal things your surveyor will check. Possibly it will help you:

• My experience with an Amel is that the components and systems chosen by Mr. Amel operate in harmony and balance. I have seen serious problems caused by modifications that change this harmony. Document all of the non-Amel modifications previous owners have made to the boat. Verify with someone familiar with Amel that the modifications are not harmful to other systems. You can probably get an experienced answer by posing a question regarding a modification to this group.
• Have the ground (bonding) system for a leak or short. Modifications can change how these systems were designed and electrolysis can ruin your day. If you are your surveyor is not familiar with how to check this, find a marine electrician…identifying a problem is this area will be worth the cost.
• Check the Amel specific Periodic Maintenance Schedule and document that Amel recommended maintenance has been performed. A copy of the Super Maramu Maintenance Schedule is at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF8gTIaqoUxzN2Z0Z5UPf3507s-MbccW0JYZRZn6Rii8gFARjRIZ9gdJSavm3b75wl1rc5U6-G1dAekLrgHomyqeRh4/Super%20Maramu%20Maint.%20Info%20/Maintenance%20Schedule.pdf
• When was the last time the brass wear bushing and 3 seals were replaced on the propeller shaft? Max should be less than 800-1,000hrs
• When was the last time seals were replaced on the bow thruster? Max 2 years
• Check for play in the bow thruster propeller…any noticeable play means that the nylon hub and steel pin plus all of the nylon screws should be replaced…replace oil, seals, etc. when doing this.
• Look for signs of water in the front cabin...water stains on the carpet inside the storage under the bunks. (this is likely caused by leaving the bow thruster deployed when sailing). But, if there are signs, get an answer.
• The water maker is an expensive item...run it for at least an hour and check to see if it is making the rated amount of water and have the TDS measured (should be less than 500ppm and if new membranes as low as 100ppm. A TDS measurement device will cost as little as $25USD and all of these devices use the same Siemens chip.
• Run the washer for a full "Economy" cycle...do not worry with a dryer cycle as the dryer is not good and you will not use it.
• Run the three A/C units...but not while the water maker is running...too many amps.
• Load-test each of the batteries
• Get someone to check the rigging standing and running...probably no problems, but this will ease your mind that you have a good starting point.
• Locate the two extra sails: mizzen ballooner and foresail ballooner and the running rigging for these sails.
• Check the top of the rudder post...everything tight? Any signs of water?
• If equipped with an AutoProp, when were the bearings last replaced?…probably should be replaced at 2,000 hours
• Check the electric furling on the headsail and the main furling and outhaul. Should operate smoothly and without grinding gear noises.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blog: http:www.svbebe.com


Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

Amalia Sunto
 

Hi there,

I have also recently started to look for Santorin and what I found from my researches:
1. there is not a lot of info regarding this model in the web.
2. sailors with experience will tell you this:
the Santorin is actually a smaller version of the Super Maramu with less few features, however as it is Amel product the boat concept is focused in:
Safety - the center (deep) cockpit the heavy keel and the hull are giving very safe feel even in high seas (can't compare this to any of the new mass production boats), and you will be surprised how this boat feels in relatively strong winds and high seas compare to others.
Easy handling - thanks to the electric furling motors, the bow thruster and the remote windlass - all necassary controls are coming to the cockpit.
Dry - the amels are very dry boats, I have inspected 3, all were dry at the normal problem areas, moreover, all were with the original wood works and upholstery looked like new.
All major areas of maintenance are very access able including the rudder, autopilot, electrical switches and obviously the engine.

The thing which you must check, except of all technical issues is the ceiling vinyl covers which have to be replaced after 10 - 15 years, this can be costly to replace and the last Santorin produced in 1997, by now there is no way that the original is / was due to be replaced.

otherwise, for a couple who is looking for good comfortable cruising boat more classic than mass production, with a character rath

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:



Heike & Hardy,

I am convinced that you are making a very good decision on the Amel brand. My wife and I own a Super Maramu 2000 rather than a Santorin, but as you know, there are similarities. The following is a list of things I put together for someone buying a Super Maramu...most of these are in addition to all of the normal things your surveyor will check. Possibly it will help you:

• My experience with an Amel is that the components and systems chosen by Mr. Amel operate in harmony and balance. I have seen serious problems caused by modifications that change this harmony. Document all of the non-Amel modifications previous owners have made to the boat. Verify with someone familiar with Amel that the modifications are not harmful to other systems. You can probably get an experienced answer by posing a question regarding a modification to this group.
• Have the ground (bonding) system for a leak or short. Modifications can change how these systems were designed and electrolysis can ruin your day. If you are your surveyor is not familiar with how to check this, find a marine electrician…identifying a problem is this area will be worth the cost.
• Check the Amel specific Periodic Maintenance Schedule and document that Amel recommended maintenance has been performed. A copy of the Super Maramu Maintenance Schedule is at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF8gTIaqoUxzN2Z0Z5UPf3507s-MbccW0JYZRZn6Rii8gFARjRIZ9gdJSavm3b75wl1rc5U6-G1dAekLrgHomyqeRh4/Super%20Maramu%20Maint.%20Info%20/Maintenance%20Schedule.pdf
• When was the last time the brass wear bushing and 3 seals were replaced on the propeller shaft? Max should be less than 800-1,000hrs
• When was the last time seals were replaced on the bow thruster? Max 2 years
• Check for play in the bow thruster propeller…any noticeable play means that the nylon hub and steel pin plus all of the nylon screws should be replaced…replace oil, seals, etc. when doing this.
• Look for signs of water in the front cabin...water stains on the carpet inside the storage under the bunks. (this is likely caused by leaving the bow thruster deployed when sailing). But, if there are signs, get an answer.
• The water maker is an expensive item...run it for at least an hour and check to see if it is making the rated amount of water and have the TDS measured (should be less than 500ppm and if new membranes as low as 100ppm. A TDS measurement device will cost as little as $25USD and all of these devices use the same Siemens chip.
• Run the washer for a full "Economy" cycle...do not worry with a dryer cycle as the dryer is not good and you will not use it.
• Run the three A/C units...but not while the water maker is running...too many amps.
• Load-test each of the batteries
• Get someone to check the rigging standing and running...probably no problems, but this will ease your mind that you have a good starting point.
• Locate the two extra sails: mizzen ballooner and foresail ballooner and the running rigging for these sails.
• Check the top of the rudder post...everything tight? Any signs of water?
• If equipped with an AutoProp, when were the bearings last replaced?…probably should be replaced at 2,000 hours
• Check the electric furling on the headsail and the main furling and outhaul. Should operate smoothly and without grinding gear noises.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blog: http:www.svbebe.com


Re: [Amel] Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

Lars H. Knudsen <museum@...>
 

Hi Heike & Hardy



I am the owner of an Amel Santorin from 1993. In my experience very little
can go wrong with this model and it is basically identical to the Super
Maramu except for all the very expensive and maintenance demanding systems
like water maker, air conditioner, generator etc.



My largest problem with my 1993 model was the vinyl inner liner which
eventually got loose from the heat in The Med and did fall off. This has
given me a big job reattaching the vinyl. Besides this I would recommend to
check the engine and sails. And be very careful that there are not made
unauthorized modifications to the electrical system. This can be a nightmare
to fix or rewire as the Amel drawings (in my boat) are hand-made and in
French. This actually goes for all the documentation except the Perkins
engine which is luckily also in English.



I would also recommend to check the servicing of fire extinguishers and life
raft. It will be expensive to renew the life raft if the service is overdue
or the raft is more than 13 years old – which is about the service-life
producers like Zodiac recommends.



Electronics are sturdy and unlikely to fail – ever. But most Santorins got
old instrumentation which is expensive to integrate into newer technology.
If a boat got the old B&G Hercules system you may need to upgrade ROM’s and
buy a special NMEA-capable display in order to connect it to auto pilot etc.
But it is possible.



Hope that this helps.



Good luck with your search. I would recommend an Amel Santorin at any time
to serious sailors.

Lars.



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Emne: [Amel] Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...





Hello Judy and Bill...

thanks so much for this long answer... we will extract all nesessary itmes
and will prepare a list of checkouts and questions we will use when visiting
an offered Santorin next time...

Of course AMEL is fantastic... we have seen the AMEL 54 on a fair (BOOT in
Duesseldorf) here in Germany in Jan this year... unfortunatelly our budget
is not so big ;-))) LOLOL so we have to think a little bit smaller... and...
we do not have children so a boat of the Santorin size will be perfect for
us...

Do you know, if there are members out of Germany here in the forum, owning a
Santorin???

And do you have some experience with the people at AMEL itself... who can I
ask for more detailed information about the Santorin...

Again many thanks from Germany and good luck to you and your familiy...

Heike & Hardy...





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Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

hardystock@ymail.com <hardystock@...>
 

Hello Judy and Bill...

thanks so much for this long answer... we will extract all nesessary itmes and will prepare a list of checkouts and questions we will use when visiting an offered Santorin next time...

Of course AMEL is fantastic... we have seen the AMEL 54 on a fair (BOOT in Duesseldorf) here in Germany in Jan this year... unfortunatelly our budget is not so big ;-))) LOLOL so we have to think a little bit smaller... and... we do not have children so a boat of the Santorin size will be perfect for us...

Do you know, if there are members out of Germany here in the forum, owning a Santorin???

And do you have some experience with the people at AMEL itself... who can I ask for more detailed information about the Santorin...

Again many thanks from Germany and good luck to you and your familiy...

Heike & Hardy...


Re: Any Information on Amel Santorin welcome...

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Heike & Hardy,

I am convinced that you are making a very good decision on the Amel brand. My wife and I own a Super Maramu 2000 rather than a Santorin, but as you know, there are similarities. The following is a list of things I put together for someone buying a Super Maramu...most of these are in addition to all of the normal things your surveyor will check. Possibly it will help you:

• My experience with an Amel is that the components and systems chosen by Mr. Amel operate in harmony and balance. I have seen serious problems caused by modifications that change this harmony. Document all of the non-Amel modifications previous owners have made to the boat. Verify with someone familiar with Amel that the modifications are not harmful to other systems. You can probably get an experienced answer by posing a question regarding a modification to this group.
• Have the ground (bonding) system for a leak or short. Modifications can change how these systems were designed and electrolysis can ruin your day. If you are your surveyor is not familiar with how to check this, find a marine electrician…identifying a problem is this area will be worth the cost.
• Check the Amel specific Periodic Maintenance Schedule and document that Amel recommended maintenance has been performed. A copy of the Super Maramu Maintenance Schedule is at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cF8gTIaqoUxzN2Z0Z5UPf3507s-MbccW0JYZRZn6Rii8gFARjRIZ9gdJSavm3b75wl1rc5U6-G1dAekLrgHomyqeRh4/Super%20Maramu%20Maint.%20Info%20/Maintenance%20Schedule.pdf
• When was the last time the brass wear bushing and 3 seals were replaced on the propeller shaft? Max should be less than 800-1,000hrs
• When was the last time seals were replaced on the bow thruster? Max 2 years
• Check for play in the bow thruster propeller…any noticeable play means that the nylon hub and steel pin plus all of the nylon screws should be replaced…replace oil, seals, etc. when doing this.
• Look for signs of water in the front cabin...water stains on the carpet inside the storage under the bunks. (this is likely caused by leaving the bow thruster deployed when sailing). But, if there are signs, get an answer.
• The water maker is an expensive item...run it for at least an hour and check to see if it is making the rated amount of water and have the TDS measured (should be less than 500ppm and if new membranes as low as 100ppm. A TDS measurement device will cost as little as $25USD and all of these devices use the same Siemens chip.
• Run the washer for a full "Economy" cycle...do not worry with a dryer cycle as the dryer is not good and you will not use it.
• Run the three A/C units...but not while the water maker is running...too many amps.
• Load-test each of the batteries
• Get someone to check the rigging standing and running...probably no problems, but this will ease your mind that you have a good starting point.
• Locate the two extra sails: mizzen ballooner and foresail ballooner and the running rigging for these sails.
• Check the top of the rudder post...everything tight? Any signs of water?
• If equipped with an AutoProp, when were the bearings last replaced?…probably should be replaced at 2,000 hours
• Check the electric furling on the headsail and the main furling and outhaul. Should operate smoothly and without grinding gear noises.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Malaysia
Blog: http:www.svbebe.com