Date   

New web site for Amel

Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

There is a new site for Amel. The address is the same www.amel.fr
but the content really looks good it was necessary for such a good
boat....

Regards and Fair winds
SM 2000
Alma Libre


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, Jay.As I write I am actually in England, returning to Ecuador in a few weeks.I have bought my spare cam belt and my local Volvo agent here reckons he can teach me to swap it myself.Your experience makes sure I will pay very close attention to what he says! Ian Jenkins


From: Jay Jones <selector6501@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:13:39 -0700 (PDT)

Mr Jenkins
I can not add enough weight to what Joel said about
the Cam Belt, so let me relate a story.
We run 6 generators with this type of motor, all of
them failed from 1050 hours-1370 hours due to cam belt
failure(change of service contract long story). the
least damage done was one generator simply bent all
the valve stems so we got away with simply replacing
all the valves. One engine was a total loss and 2
required complete rebuilds, the other 2 were somewhere
in between.
Admittedly these engines have been runnining against
the stops for their whole lives because they were
right sized for a smaller project however do you
really want a cam belt failure when you are
desperately seeking all the revs you can get.
It could be worth your while to throw away the 300
hours or so and replace the belt before you go, if
there is the slightest possibility you will exceed the
1000 hours.
By the way now that we know about the cam belt
sensitivity we have not had another problem with these
motors and they are going on 7 years old.

Jay P Jones
--- Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
wrote:
Dear Joel, Thanks for your advice. That's good to
know, because they
don't put these things in the Volvo manuals.Thanks
also for the tip on the
cam belt.By the time we have done 1000 hours we
expect to be in Southern
Chile--not a Volvo agent in sight there, but if it's
of any comfort to
anyone else , Volvo do a workshop manual in Spanish
and if I find a good
mechanic down there I'll post the news as I'm sure
everyone will be in a
rush to join us....it's only about 3,000 miles up
wind and Humbolt current
from our present berth in Ecuador...
All the best, Ian


From: "Joel F. Potter" <jfpottercys@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:29:08 -0400

Hello Ian,

Joel Potter here. The turbo boost pop-off valve
really needs A LOT of
requested power to function. To check:

1. Go about 3-4 KTS in reverse
2. Gently go to neutral, then forward to idle
speed.
3. Wait 3 seconds then wide open throttle in
forward. WIDE OPEN.

You will see the rod move ever so briefly. The
engine is governed and you
will never get into the boost limit in cruise power
conditions. Only when
asking for more than you should, like at avoiding a
crash. Hope this
helps.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter, Hull #400

P.S. Change your cam belt every 1000 hours. Trust
me, this is important.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins
[mailto:ianjudyjenkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos




I have SM 302 with the Volvo/Perkins TMD22p. No
complaints after 800
hours,
other than replacing the key switch and the
engine hour meter and rev
counter, both at crazy Volvo prices.Power output
is fine and I take care
to
open up the revs every few hours to ensure the
Turbo is properly
exercised.
When the revs are high and the turbo is really
being used there is a
pressure control valve that opens up if the
turbo pressure gets too
high.As
I understand it the rod attached to this valve
moves back against the
resistance of a spring.I have been advised to
move this rod back
manually
from time to time ( with engine switched off) to
ensure that it is free
moving and it has always been free when I have
moved it.
However, when I use full revs there is no
discernible movement on this
rod
(
possibly 1/2 mm but it's difficult to guage when
the engine is flat
out).It
has been suggested to me that as Amel govern
the output to 60hp the
turbo
pressure doesnt reach the point where the valve
opens.( this wouldn't
prevent the turbo from working ok as mine seems
to be)
Has anyone any experience to suggest that the
rod should or should not
be
seen to move at full revs, and if it does move
is this a momentary and
occasional movement or should the the valve be
seen to stay open above
certain revs?
Ian Jenkins

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos

Jay Jones <selector6501@...>
 

Mr Jenkins
I can not add enough weight to what Joel said about
the Cam Belt, so let me relate a story.
We run 6 generators with this type of motor, all of
them failed from 1050 hours-1370 hours due to cam belt
failure(change of service contract long story). the
least damage done was one generator simply bent all
the valve stems so we got away with simply replacing
all the valves. One engine was a total loss and 2
required complete rebuilds, the other 2 were somewhere
in between.
Admittedly these engines have been runnining against
the stops for their whole lives because they were
right sized for a smaller project however do you
really want a cam belt failure when you are
desperately seeking all the revs you can get.
It could be worth your while to throw away the 300
hours or so and replace the belt before you go, if
there is the slightest possibility you will exceed the
1000 hours.
By the way now that we know about the cam belt
sensitivity we have not had another problem with these
motors and they are going on 7 years old.

Jay P Jones
--- Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
wrote:
Dear Joel, Thanks for your advice. That's good to
know, because they
don't put these things in the Volvo manuals.Thanks
also for the tip on the
cam belt.By the time we have done 1000 hours we
expect to be in Southern
Chile--not a Volvo agent in sight there, but if it's
of any comfort to
anyone else , Volvo do a workshop manual in Spanish
and if I find a good
mechanic down there I'll post the news as I'm sure
everyone will be in a
rush to join us....it's only about 3,000 miles up
wind and Humbolt current
from our present berth in Ecuador...
All the best, Ian


From: "Joel F. Potter" <jfpottercys@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:29:08 -0400

Hello Ian,

Joel Potter here. The turbo boost pop-off valve
really needs A LOT of
requested power to function. To check:

1. Go about 3-4 KTS in reverse
2. Gently go to neutral, then forward to idle
speed.
3. Wait 3 seconds then wide open throttle in
forward. WIDE OPEN.

You will see the rod move ever so briefly. The
engine is governed and you
will never get into the boost limit in cruise power
conditions. Only when
asking for more than you should, like at avoiding a
crash. Hope this
helps.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter, Hull #400

P.S. Change your cam belt every 1000 hours. Trust
me, this is important.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins
[mailto:ianjudyjenkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos




I have SM 302 with the Volvo/Perkins TMD22p. No
complaints after 800
hours,
other than replacing the key switch and the
engine hour meter and rev
counter, both at crazy Volvo prices.Power output
is fine and I take care
to
open up the revs every few hours to ensure the
Turbo is properly
exercised.
When the revs are high and the turbo is really
being used there is a
pressure control valve that opens up if the
turbo pressure gets too
high.As
I understand it the rod attached to this valve
moves back against the
resistance of a spring.I have been advised to
move this rod back
manually
from time to time ( with engine switched off) to
ensure that it is free
moving and it has always been free when I have
moved it.
However, when I use full revs there is no
discernible movement on this
rod
(
possibly 1/2 mm but it's difficult to guage when
the engine is flat
out).It
has been suggested to me that as Amel govern
the output to 60hp the
turbo
pressure doesnt reach the point where the valve
opens.( this wouldn't
prevent the turbo from working ok as mine seems
to be)
Has anyone any experience to suggest that the
rod should or should not
be
seen to move at full revs, and if it does move
is this a momentary and
occasional movement or should the the valve be
seen to stay open above
certain revs?
Ian Jenkins

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Dear Joel, Thanks for your advice. That's good to know, because they don't put these things in the Volvo manuals.Thanks also for the tip on the cam belt.By the time we have done 1000 hours we expect to be in Southern Chile--not a Volvo agent in sight there, but if it's of any comfort to anyone else , Volvo do a workshop manual in Spanish and if I find a good mechanic down there I'll post the news as I'm sure everyone will be in a rush to join us....it's only about 3,000 miles up wind and Humbolt current from our present berth in Ecuador...
All the best, Ian


From: "Joel F. Potter" <jfpottercys@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:29:08 -0400

Hello Ian,

Joel Potter here. The turbo boost pop-off valve really needs A LOT of
requested power to function. To check:

1. Go about 3-4 KTS in reverse
2. Gently go to neutral, then forward to idle speed.
3. Wait 3 seconds then wide open throttle in forward. WIDE OPEN.

You will see the rod move ever so briefly. The engine is governed and you
will never get into the boost limit in cruise power conditions. Only when
asking for more than you should, like at avoiding a crash. Hope this helps.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter, Hull #400

P.S. Change your cam belt every 1000 hours. Trust me, this is important.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins [mailto:ianjudyjenkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos




I have SM 302 with the Volvo/Perkins TMD22p. No complaints after 800
hours,
other than replacing the key switch and the engine hour meter and rev
counter, both at crazy Volvo prices.Power output is fine and I take care
to
open up the revs every few hours to ensure the Turbo is properly
exercised.
When the revs are high and the turbo is really being used there is a
pressure control valve that opens up if the turbo pressure gets too
high.As
I understand it the rod attached to this valve moves back against the
resistance of a spring.I have been advised to move this rod back manually
from time to time ( with engine switched off) to ensure that it is free
moving and it has always been free when I have moved it.
However, when I use full revs there is no discernible movement on this rod
(
possibly 1/2 mm but it's difficult to guage when the engine is flat
out).It
has been suggested to me that as Amel govern the output to 60hp the turbo
pressure doesnt reach the point where the valve opens.( this wouldn't
prevent the turbo from working ok as mine seems to be)
Has anyone any experience to suggest that the rod should or should not be
seen to move at full revs, and if it does move is this a momentary and
occasional movement or should the the valve be seen to stay open above
certain revs?
Ian Jenkins

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Sale of SM 2000

mcgosprey <mglass@...>
 

Listmates: I am selling my SM 2000. Asking price is $475,000. It
is in great shape, has the optional freezer, 150 liter per hr
watermaker, Garmin 2010 chartplotter, 2003 new Genoa and new cockpit
awning and a lot of other extras. Very well maintained. Lying
Montauk, NY for the summer. If you know anyone out there looking,
have them call me. Thanks
Michael Glass
e mail: mglass@...
phone: 631 293 2300 x 112.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos

amelforme
 

Hello Ian,

Joel Potter here. The turbo boost pop-off valve really needs A LOT of
requested power to function. To check:

1. Go about 3-4 KTS in reverse
2. Gently go to neutral, then forward to idle speed.
3. Wait 3 seconds then wide open throttle in forward. WIDE OPEN.

You will see the rod move ever so briefly. The engine is governed and you
will never get into the boost limit in cruise power conditions. Only when
asking for more than you should, like at avoiding a crash. Hope this helps.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter, Hull #400

P.S. Change your cam belt every 1000 hours. Trust me, this is important.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins [mailto:ianjudyjenkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Turbos




I have SM 302 with the Volvo/Perkins TMD22p. No complaints after 800
hours,
other than replacing the key switch and the engine hour meter and rev
counter, both at crazy Volvo prices.Power output is fine and I take care
to
open up the revs every few hours to ensure the Turbo is properly
exercised.
When the revs are high and the turbo is really being used there is a
pressure control valve that opens up if the turbo pressure gets too
high.As
I understand it the rod attached to this valve moves back against the
resistance of a spring.I have been advised to move this rod back manually
from time to time ( with engine switched off) to ensure that it is free
moving and it has always been free when I have moved it.
However, when I use full revs there is no discernible movement on this rod
(
possibly 1/2 mm but it's difficult to guage when the engine is flat
out).It
has been suggested to me that as Amel govern the output to 60hp the turbo
pressure doesnt reach the point where the valve opens.( this wouldn't
prevent the turbo from working ok as mine seems to be)
Has anyone any experience to suggest that the rod should or should not be
seen to move at full revs, and if it does move is this a momentary and
occasional movement or should the the valve be seen to stay open above
certain revs?
Ian Jenkins

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Abandon Ship Bag Recommendations

Zanareva
 

For an excellent review of what to include in an abandon ship bag,
go to: http://www.equipped.org/abndonship.htm
As the web article says "Surviving is nice, but getting rescued as
quickly as possible is the ultimate aim." Major emphasis on having
one or more 406Mhz EPIRBs.
Richard


Volvo Turbos

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

I have SM 302 with the Volvo/Perkins TMD22p. No complaints after 800 hours, other than replacing the key switch and the engine hour meter and rev counter, both at crazy Volvo prices.Power output is fine and I take care to open up the revs every few hours to ensure the Turbo is properly exercised.
When the revs are high and the turbo is really being used there is a pressure control valve that opens up if the turbo pressure gets too high.As I understand it the rod attached to this valve moves back against the resistance of a spring.I have been advised to move this rod back manually from time to time ( with engine switched off) to ensure that it is free moving and it has always been free when I have moved it.
However, when I use full revs there is no discernible movement on this rod ( possibly 1/2 mm but it's difficult to guage when the engine is flat out).It has been suggested to me that as Amel govern the output to 60hp the turbo pressure doesnt reach the point where the valve opens.( this wouldn't prevent the turbo from working ok as mine seems to be)
Has anyone any experience to suggest that the rod should or should not be seen to move at full revs, and if it does move is this a momentary and occasional movement or should the the valve be seen to stay open above certain revs?
Ian Jenkins

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sails

Stephan Regulinski
 

Ian,

Thanks for referral. We have about 17,000 miles also. However, it
is our main that has taken the biggest beating as we have motor
sailed into heavy weather on numerous occasions. The luff tape has
been replaced once and the leach repaired twice. Then genoa will be
with us a while.

Stephan

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@c...>
wrote:
Stephan,

I had a new genoa made by a friend of Joel Potter's in Fort
Lauderdale. It has a foam luff and in general it was a well made sail
and at a good price. The sail maker's name is Peter Grimm and his
email is peter@s... It cost $217 to DHL it to St Lucia.

Unfortunately due to a change in circumstances, I never got to sail
with the new genoa, but I did ensure that it fitted OK. It is now a
spare on my new SM which I take delivery of on July 15th.

Joel tells me that Peter is very familiar with Amel sails and that
he has made a good number of them for US owners.

As a matter of interest, how old are your sails and how many miles
have they done? I changed my genoa after 17,000 nms of hard sailing,
much of which was in the tropics. I did have the leech tape repaired
a couple of times, but eventually due to UV and wear, the rear panels
became too weak and the lower cross tree fitting proved to be too
much for the material when the genoa accidentally backed one day. I
have noticed that the latest SM's now have a different end fitting
which looks kinder to the genoa. I would like to see then covered in
leather too.

Good luck with the new sails.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 "Crusader"



Barrier coat

Mike Gough <mahili_au@...>
 

I have a barrier coat of tar epoxy applied below the waterline of our
Maramu. Works well except for one thing...antifoul will not adhere
for long! Anyone have any ideas about a solution?


Super Maramu jib motor cover for sale

Zanareva
 

New, unused SUPER MARAMU electric motor fiberglass housing for the
jib furler for sale. Includes two 3-strand lengths of line splice to
stainless eye. See actual photos at:
http://www.geocities.com/amelsharki/sharki3 (Even though this web
address says "sharki" the housing is definitely for a Super Maramu.)
Price US$90.00 plus actual shipping cost from 32937 (Florida).
Checks, money orders or paypal ok. Email Richard Tate at
closereach@....


Sharki jib furler cover for sale

Zanareva
 

New, unused Sharki electric motor fiberglass housing for the jib
furler for sale. See actual photos at:
http://www.geocities.com/amelsharki/sharki2
Price US$70.00 plus actual shipping cost from 32937 (Florida).
Checks, money orders or paypal ok. Email Richard Tate at
closereach@....


Re: PHRF rating for the SM ?

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi

According to the Caribbean 1500 web site the Super maramu sailed with
a PHRF of 114 to 117. I dont think this is correct. Since on the same
site a Catalina 42 sailed with a PHRF of 102 and a Hylas 54 is
sailing with a handicap of 57. So if anyone has any better
information please post it.

Vito Ciaravino
asm 283
wanderer


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John Martin"
<jjmartin24@h...> wrote:
Hi all
Can anyone tell me if there is a PHRF rating for the SM ?
Thanks
John
"Moon Dog" SM #248



Kirk for sale

sm2000206 <no_reply@...>
 

Amel Kirk, 78 / 229, only one Swiss owner, Lake of Constance, teak
deck, many extras, fine condition; EUR 40'000.--; please ask for
documentation.


PHRF rating for the SM ?

John Martin <jjmartin24@...>
 

Hi all
Can anyone tell me if there is a PHRF rating for the SM ?
Thanks
John
"Moon Dog" SM #248


Anchor chain

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi

Does anyone know where I can purchase 10mm chain in the US that fits
the gypsy on the Lofrans Tigress.

Thank You

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sails

DHession@...
 

For Florida, try Supersails in Fort Lauderdale. Ask for the "Joel Potter
discount". We got a new main and mizzen for about $3,000 USD.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sails

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Stephan, I had an excellent genoa made by Andrew Dove who is the head of North Sails in the Caribbean, based in Guadeloupe. He made me a slightly smaller genoa higher cut from Dacron as we are about to sail to windward for a cuple of thousand miles to go from Ecuador to Chile. He also added a foam luff to the Amel genoa which has transformed its rolled up performance. You can find his details on the North Sails web site. Not cheap but really knows his stuff. Regards Ian Jenkins






From: "Stephan Regulinski" Reply-To: amelyachtowners@... To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sails Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:45:49 -0000

Has anyone bought new sails lately for a SM 2000? We need main and genoa. Recommendations for Gib or Carribean?

Stephan (Delos)


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drain

Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
 

Dear Members,

The following comments are meant to reflect the thoughts of Joel Potter the
Super Maramu owner. They do not necessarily reflect the thoughts and
policies of my friends and colleagues at Amel.

Dear Mr. Tyers.

The rudder on ALL Amels, from 1967 on, is designed to be hollow with a
hole to let water in. Whereas most builders try to build a rudder that
keeps water out only to eventually fail at great inconvenience and expense,
Captain Amel decided to use sea water as weight to dampen the rudders
movements. I have sold Amels over 30 years of age with original rudders
that were in excellent condition. Make sure the drain hole is open when
diving on the boat or at haul out. If the hole gets plugged or marine
growth covers it, the water trapped inside will become oxygen depleted and
will cause the stainless steel rudder shaft to fail from crevice corrosion.

Most yards attitude towards the "peeing rudder" is best described as an
embracing of the NOT INVENTED HERE SYNDROME. If something is different it
can't possibly be any good or work properly. Another example is the Amel
drive system on the Super Maramu. I get at least one irate phone call a
month from a marine mechanic who informs me that this system will never work
and it voids the engine warranty, neither of which carries any truth
whatsoever.

English speakers are always invited to email me with any Amel related
service difficulties. As Amel's sole associate for the Americas for more
than 20 years, I have confronted most service situations at least once. We
don't carry Amel parts here in Florida, but we are happy to pass along the
benefit of over 20 years experience with Amels.

As a general rule, be wary of boat yards and individuals who take a
negative attitude toward your Amel or any of it's systems, such as the Amel
electrical system. ALL Amels have a "floating" direct current grounding
system. All D.C. electricity comes from the battery, to the equipment, and
then back to the battery NOT to a "ground" on the engine or hull. If
someone doesn't know this and installs electrical items improperly, at the
least you will probably introduce "noise" into your radios and electronics
and at worse, you will promote electrolysis.

Good luck with your Sharki. It's a fine ocean cruiser.

Joel F. Potter
SM#400 "MARY BROWN"


Sails

Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
 

Dear Members,

The following comments are meant to reflect the thoughts of Joel Potter the Super Maramu
owner. They do not necessarily reflect the thoughts and policies of my friends and
colleagues at Amel.

Dear Fellow Amel Owners,

For Amel owners on this side of the Atlantic, we highly recommend you discuss your sail
service and replacement needs with Peter Grimm, Jr. of Super Sailmakers here in Fort
Lauderdale. This loft has their own top quality/nice price Super Sailmakers label as well
as representing the prestige/bigger bucks lofts of DOYLE and HOOD sails. Peter is
extremely knowledgeable, listens carefully to a clients wants and needs, and is nearly
devoid of salesman ego. You will get the right sail at a great price. I make nothing,
not one penny, on my referral. Rather, if you tell Peter that we sent you, you will
receive my discount, usually 10-20% depending on the item, as a professional courtesy.
Labor is the only thing not discountable.

Peter knows Amel boats and has made countless Amel clients happy over the years. He will
make you happy to. You can contact Peter by any of the following means:

Phone: 1 (954) 462-3695 1 (800) 541-7601
Fax: 1 (954) 767-0076
Email: peter@...
Web: www.sail-depot.com

Sincerely,
Joel F. Potter
Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas