Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pointing ability of Super Maramu
Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
HELLO,
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It is very interesting to read all these mails. My comment is that the SM2000 is a superb boat for cruising and in cruising mode it outperforms many cruisers/racers. My example is our recent common cruising with a superb cruiser/racer from Denmark the X-562 (56 feet). I was sailing with my wife and children the other boat had a crew of 3 sailors. We were able to arrive always first to our end destination because we were able to start sailing 15 minutes before they were and we were able to reef online as we call it. When the wind changed we wre able to hoist our mizzen staysail and we were again faster although they were trying to hoist a gennaker. So the boat is designed for cruising and it is fast, safe and easy to handle what are we looking more than that. Dimitris SM 2000 "Alma Libre" www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr>
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From: Horst Pause [mailto:horst@...] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:47 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pointing ability of Super Maramu Hello All, I have read the various messages about the pointing ability of your boats, saw, to my horror, the suggestion to have an inside track fitted. Please don't - the Amel boats are the only ones where one can walk around on the deck without having to wear shoes with steel caps! Also, it must have occurred to you that the (flatter) in-mast mainsail may have some influence on the drive of the boat when she's pointing high. I have only compared this on two Maramus, one with furling, the other with conventional main - the difference was just under 5 degrees (they both had reasonably new foresails). Anyway, a ketch is not supposed to win races round the cans. Horst ' ' Hi David ' ' I agree with everyone about the pointing ability of the SM. On my ' boat with a new 140 headsail by super sailmakers I am seeing about 40 ' dg apparent. This weekend I came in 2nd in one of the local races. My ' main competition were a Cardinal 46, J35 and a Benetau 42s7. Boats ' known for their performance characteristics. In winds of 25 to 30 ' knots I held my own against these boats to windward and nailed them ' off the wind. Most of the other boats including a J35 were nowere ' close. Any pointing ability that I gave up to my competition was more ' than made up to the ability of the SM to stand up to a breeze and its ' pure speed. ' --- In amelyachtowners@..., "davidcrisp" <david@f...> ' wrote: ' > Hi All, ' > ' > How close hauled should a Super Maramu sail? The best I can do is ' > 45deg apparent, which basically means going to windward is very ' slow ' > and frustrating. In calm seas I can pinch up to maybe 40deg ' > sometimes but speed suffers badly and I usually end up with an ' > accidental tack. Am suspecting (hoping) I have a problem. Having ' > raced a lot I believe I know how to trim sails and I have a new ' > genoa. ' > ' > So is 45deg apprent normal? If not anyone ahve any suggestions as ' to ' > my problem? ' > ' > Regards ' > David ' > Gallant of Fowey ' ' ' To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ' amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... ' ' ' ' Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050657 92:HM/A=1706996/R=0/SIG=11p5b9ris/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3050 9&media=atkins> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.3897168.5135684.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1706996/rand=250236746> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pointing ability of Super Maramu
Horst Pause <horst@...>
Hello All,
I have read the various messages about the pointing ability of your boats, saw, to my horror, the suggestion to have an inside track fitted. Please don't - the Amel boats are the only ones where one can walk around on the deck without having to wear shoes with steel caps! Also, it must have occurred to you that the (flatter) in-mast mainsail may have some influence on the drive of the boat when she's pointing high. I have only compared this on two Maramus, one with furling, the other with conventional main - the difference was just under 5 degrees (they both had reasonably new foresails). Anyway, a ketch is not supposed to win races round the cans. Horst ' ' Hi David ' ' I agree with everyone about the pointing ability of the SM. On my ' boat with a new 140 headsail by super sailmakers I am seeing about 40 ' dg apparent. This weekend I came in 2nd in one of the local races. My ' main competition were a Cardinal 46, J35 and a Benetau 42s7. Boats ' known for their performance characteristics. In winds of 25 to 30 ' knots I held my own against these boats to windward and nailed them ' off the wind. Most of the other boats including a J35 were nowere ' close. Any pointing ability that I gave up to my competition was more ' than made up to the ability of the SM to stand up to a breeze and its ' pure speed. ' --- In amelyachtowners@..., "davidcrisp" <david@f...> ' wrote: ' > Hi All, ' > ' > How close hauled should a Super Maramu sail? The best I can do is ' > 45deg apparent, which basically means going to windward is very ' slow ' > and frustrating. In calm seas I can pinch up to maybe 40deg ' > sometimes but speed suffers badly and I usually end up with an ' > accidental tack. Am suspecting (hoping) I have a problem. Having ' > raced a lot I believe I know how to trim sails and I have a new ' > genoa. ' > ' > So is 45deg apprent normal? If not anyone ahve any suggestions as ' to ' > my problem? ' > ' > Regards ' > David ' > Gallant of Fowey ' ' ' To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ' amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... ' ' ' ' Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pointing ability of Super Maramu
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Hi David,
Full water tank helps the boat to weather (stands up better, weight is down low) 100' of chain is like having a fat boy on your bow pulpit and probably worth about 2 degrees. Really. If the keel has any growth, ANY, it stalls early. The reason weight forward is bad is because it increases the polar moment of inertia. Makes the bow go up and down more and a bit more side to side which interrupts the flow, increases drag, and degrades your pace. Hope this helps. Joel F. Potter - SUPER MARAMU MILLENNIUM # 400 "MARY BROWN"
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Re: Pointing ability of Super Maramu
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hi David
I agree with everyone about the pointing ability of the SM. On my boat with a new 140 headsail by super sailmakers I am seeing about 40 dg apparent. This weekend I came in 2nd in one of the local races. My main competition were a Cardinal 46, J35 and a Benetau 42s7. Boats known for their performance characteristics. In winds of 25 to 30 knots I held my own against these boats to windward and nailed them off the wind. Most of the other boats including a J35 were nowere close. Any pointing ability that I gave up to my competition was more than made up to the ability of the SM to stand up to a breeze and its pure speed. --- In amelyachtowners@..., "davidcrisp" <david@f...> wrote: Hi All,slow and frustrating. In calm seas I can pinch up to maybe 40degto my problem?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pointing ability of Super Maramu
David Crisp
Claude,
I concur, the inner headstay is too much hassle and I would be conncerned to make a modification to a proven design. Those guys in Rochelle have got more things right than I have seen on any other boat. I'll go for the idyllic reaches. Are you out in the Caribbean, that's our domain at the moment, would be nice to cross tracks one day hsould the wind blow the right way. David --- In amelyachtowners@..., Claude Roessiger <nearlynothing@y...> wrote: Dear David,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pointing ability of Super Maramu
David Crisp
Hi Joel,
Thanks for the feedback. I was at the Southampton boatshow yesterday and the Amel rep talked of 35deg or even less as being normal with the La Rochelle demo boat he sails. When I apply your comments to his claim it now makes sense - an empty boat, new sails. Darn it I had hopes of going to windward better!! I think 45deg is the reality for most of us in cruising mode. I don't believe we have a particularly heavily loaded boat (famous last words with all that storage maybe I deceive myself?!) and I have always been very careful to keep weight out of the bows - most lockers empty or light stuff. That said I have maybe sacrificed that weight consciousness with 100' extra chain. My genoa is a brand new Doyle 115% which I had made specifically for the Caribbean trades. From day one we were still stuck in the 43- 45deg range (fully unfurled). Being technically minded what puzzles me is how weight effects pointing ability. I had always assumed the problem was fundementally the wide sheeting angle. As they always say boats are about compromises and the Amel is a very very good one. That said I'll be sad to sell Gallant when we return to the UK, but for sailing around Europe in our variable winds one needs good windward ability. Again thanks for your usual precise advice. I will take a hard look at our weight when we get back aboard and definately have a campaign to shift things aft. Maybe keeping the water tanks half empty will also help - 500l water is a lot of weight. Best regards David --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Joel F. Potter" <jfpottercys@w...> wrote: Hello David,concentration and 40 degrees is easy. 45 degrees can be counted on in all but the worseoriginal, I'll bet they have deteriorated more than you imagine. Weight plays animportant part of the equation as most Amels are too front heavy when loadedfor cruising. Get weight out of the bow. A clean bottom and anundamaged leading edge to the keel are obvious further considerations.degrees in flat water and 38 degrees is easy enough for the pilot to managewhen steering to the wind instrument. Watch the weight! It's easy toaccumulate lotsa stuff!
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pointing ability of Super Maramu
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Hello David,
Flat water, 34-36 degrees apparent is achievable with concentration and 40 degrees is easy. 45 degrees can be counted on in all but the worse wind/wave conditions with an unfurled jib. If your sails are original, I'll bet they have deteriorated more than you imagine. Weight plays an important part of the equation as most Amels are too front heavy when loaded for cruising. Get weight out of the bow. A clean bottom and an undamaged leading edge to the keel are obvious further considerations. My new boat with new sails and relatively empty will go to 33 degrees in flat water and 38 degrees is easy enough for the pilot to manage when steering to the wind instrument. Watch the weight! It's easy to accumulate lotsa stuff! Hope this helps. Joel F. Potter, Super Maramu Millennium # 400 ( MARY BROWN)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pointing ability of Super Maramu
Claude Roessiger <nearlynothing@...>
Dear David,
Basically the SM doesn't do well closer than 45 wind apparent. The sheeting angle is surely a major factor. It is a hallmark of Amel boats; they are built to cruise, for the open sea, where sailing close hauled for any period of time isn't wonderful in any case. This said, it is an issue, and one can only hope that in a future boat Amel will improve upwind performance. I have sometimes wondered if fitting an inboard track and combining this with a smaller headsail might not help, but I have concluded that it's more bother than it's worth. If you are really adamant about gaining another 5 degrees upwind, I suspect a headsail with a very modern construction might achieve that. Maybe someone has tried? Basically, think in terms of idyllic reaches under the stars of tropical skies.... Claude Roessiger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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Pointing ability of Super Maramu
David Crisp
Hi All,
How close hauled should a Super Maramu sail? The best I can do is 45deg apparent, which basically means going to windward is very slow and frustrating. In calm seas I can pinch up to maybe 40deg sometimes but speed suffers badly and I usually end up with an accidental tack. Am suspecting (hoping) I have a problem. Having raced a lot I believe I know how to trim sails and I have a new genoa. So is 45deg apprent normal? If not anyone ahve any suggestions as to my problem? Regards David Gallant of Fowey
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Re: LOOKING FOR A NECO 692 AUTOPILOT CONTROL UNIT
I have posted a photo of the unit on the PHOTO section of the group.
Please have a look and tell me if you recognize the unit. There is also a metal label on the back identifying the unit. Alex Paquin --- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Hi do you have a picture of the unit that you are looking for?
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Re: LOOKING FOR A NECO 692 AUTOPILOT CONTROL UNIT
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
Hi do you have a picture of the unit that you are looking for?
i might have one. eric kimberlt@... --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Alejandro Paquin" <alex.paquin@u...> wrote: I'm looking for a 12 volt Control Unit for a NECO 692 autopilotfor my 1981 Maramu. Does anyone on this list have a discarded unit in
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Re: Hotwater tank anode
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
Dear Ian,
i think the annode is made of magnesium. fair winds, eric --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ian & Judy Jenkins" <ianjudyjenkins@h...> wrote: Hi Ed, I got mine from Amel when I was last in La R. Its a pipeof zinc about 12 " long and .75" diameter with a screw attachment at oneend. Ian up atFrom: "edmund_steele" <edmundsteele@e...> halfWest Marine or another special order item? messiestused,after three years and about 18 months aboard.I´ll look again in2006!IanFrom: asm283 <no_reply@...> waterjob Ihave done so far on My SM # 283. Basically drain out as much a lotasyou can. Unmount the tank, unscrew the element at this point waterofwater and rust will come out. You can controll the amount of Remove thethat comes out and be able to capture much but not all. next 2element clean it, replace the zinc and reasemble. Spend the that yourhours cleaning your engine compartment. The good thing is yearsheater will work like never before. with theoldI amabout to replace the anode. The instructions that came theboat areactually for a different Nautic model but recommend that toanodebechanged annually. Amel told me it wasnt strictly necessary whichchange sooften unless we had been using shore power all the time, freshwehaventbeen . youwaterfrom thetank, slacken off the two stainless fixing bands so that replacingcanwhereuponmove thetank sufficiently to remove the plastic cover on the basenutall willbe revealed, and that then it´s just a matter of undoing a heatertheaccessnew one.(I´m assuming that I will find that the anode has its ownhole intothe tank and that it´s not , for instance, part of the knows ofelementfixing) interested toanyproblemsor tips that you should look out for, I should be Messenger_________________________________________________________________hear.Thanks, Ian JenkinsExpress yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN _________________________________________________________________http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/today!http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! _________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hotwater tank anode
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Ed, I got mine from Amel when I was last in La R. Its a pipe of zinc about 12 " long and .75" diameter with a screw attachment at one end. Ian
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LOOKING FOR A NECO 692 AUTOPILOT CONTROL UNIT
I'm looking for a 12 volt Control Unit for a NECO 692 autopilot for
my 1981 Maramu. Does anyone on this list have a discarded unit in good working condition available for sale? These units were manufactured in the late 70's through mid 80's.
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hotwater tank anode
edmund_steele
Hi Ian,
I am seriously contemplating the same task on SM331. Where did you get your hot water heater anode? Is this something you can pick up at West Marine or another special order item? Ed Steele DoodleBug --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ian & Judy Jenkins" <ianjudyjenkins@h...> wrote: Thanks Vito, you werent kidding about the mess!What a lousydesign..why couldnt they just have the anode on its own screw in from theoutside....the good news however was that the existing anode was only about halfused, after three years and about 18 months aboard.I´ll look again in2006!Ian job IFrom: asm283 <no_reply@...> ashave done so far on My SM # 283. Basically drain out as much water ofyou can. Unmount the tank, unscrew the element at this point a lot oldwater and rust will come out. You can controll the amount of water anodeI amabout to replace the anode. The instructions that came with theboat areactually for a different Nautic model but recommend that the webechanged annually. Amel told me it wasnt strictly necessary tochange sooften unless we had been using shore power all the time, which waterhaventbeen . canfrom thetank, slacken off the two stainless fixing bands so that you whereuponmove thetank sufficiently to remove the plastic cover on the base nutall willbe revealed, and that then it´s just a matter of undoing a in thethe bottomof the tank , removing the stub of the old anode and replacing accessnew one.(I´m assuming that I will find that the anode has its own anyhole intothe tank and that it´s not , for instance, part of the heaterelementfixing) _________________________________________________________________problemsor tips that you should look out for, I should be interested tohear.Thanks, Ian Jenkins http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messengertoday!http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hotwater tank anode
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Thanks Vito, you werent kidding about the mess!What a lousy design..why couldnt they just have the anode on its own screw in from the outside....the good news however was that the existing anode was only about half used, after three years and about 18 months aboard.Ill look again in 2006!Ian
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo agent
amelforme
Hello Ian,
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It's my 50th Birthday and I'm assisting my mid life crisis by improving my open wheel racing skills, what fun! I'm up at ROAD AMERICA in Wisconsin for some formula car racing school at my favorite track. The BEST Volvo diesel mechanic I have ever had experience has moved North from Ft. Lauderdale to the Palm Beach area. He is KLAUSE of KLAUSE MARINE. His phone # is 1 (561) 383-5055. He is as strident and opinionated as I am which may rub some the wrong way but he knows what he is doing. If he can't fix it...cant be fixed. The local guy in Fort Lauderdale is John O'Hara of O'Hara Marine, 1 (954) 765-1960. I have not had occasion to try him yet. Hope this helps. All the best, Joel F. Potter - Super Maramu #400
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From: Ian & Judy Jenkins [mailto:ianjudyjenkins@...] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo agent Can anyone send me the email address of a good Volvo agent in Florida-- maybe the one who Joel Potter uses--he is away until 12 Sept. Thanks. Ian Jenkins SM 302 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: Hotwater tank anode
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hi Ian
Replacing the anode in the hot water tank has been the messiest job I have done so far on My SM # 283. Basically drain out as much water as you can. Unmount the tank, unscrew the element at this point a lot of water and rust will come out. You can controll the amount of water that comes out and be able to capture much but not all. Remove the element clean it, replace the zinc and reasemble. Spend the next 2 hours cleaning your engine compartment. The good thing is that your heater will work like never before. Vito Ciaravino Wanderer --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ian & Judy Jenkins" <ianjudyjenkins@h...> wrote: I have a Nautic 45 hotwater tank on my SM 302.Now three years oldI am about to replace the anode. The instructions that came with theboat are actually for a different Nautic model but recommend that the anodebe changed annually. Amel told me it wasnt strictly necessary tochange so often unless we had been using shore power all the time, which wehavent been .from the tank, slacken off the two stainless fixing bands so that you canmove the tank sufficiently to remove the plastic cover on the base whereuponall will be revealed, and that then it´s just a matter of undoing a nut inthe bottom of the tank , removing the stub of the old anode and replacing thenew one.( I´m assuming that I will find that the anode has its own accesshole into the tank and that it´s not , for instance, part of the heaterelement fixing)problems or tips that you should look out for, I should be interested tohear. Thanks, Ian Jenkinstoday! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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Hotwater tank anode
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
I have a Nautic 45 hotwater tank on my SM 302.Now three years old I am about to replace the anode. The instructions that came with the boat are actually for a different Nautic model but recommend that the anode be changed annually. Amel told me it wasnt strictly necessary to change so often unless we had been using shore power all the time, which we havent been .
I assume that to change the anode you drain down the fresh water from the tank, slacken off the two stainless fixing bands so that you can move the tank sufficiently to remove the plastic cover on the base whereupon all will be revealed, and that then its just a matter of undoing a nut in the bottom of the tank , removing the stub of the old anode and replacing the new one.( Im assuming that I will find that the anode has its own access hole into the tank and that its not , for instance, part of the heater element fixing) If anyone has already carried out this operation and knows of any problems or tips that you should look out for, I should be interested to hear. Thanks, Ian Jenkins _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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Volvo agent
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Dear Bill, Marty and Joel,
Thanks for all your replies. Im in Ecuador looking to get some spares shipped out ( theyve not heard of Volvo here) and between you I think Ive got all the info I need. Happy birthday Joel! Life is about to begin! Best regards, Ian _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband
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