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Re: [Amel] Re: Battery Replacement SM2000

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi you can buy the tapered terminals and then buy adaptive with the screw studs if you must.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:43, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Thanks to all!
I have some trouble with Varta brand, because I can't find battery with screwed poles.

I find that battery, made by "Fiamm": FG2A007, 100 Ah AGM: do you know something about it?

Datasheet:

http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0eba/0900766b80ebac19.pdf

I don't know how to interpretare the numbers in diagrams... :)

If You tell me that's ok I'll proceed to buy it!

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion

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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Two days ago in Piraeus, Greece we bought 13 Varta (A25) 12 volt 105 amp/hour batteries for BeBe #387.

These batteries have 3/8" bolt lugs that are in exactly the same location as the original Delphi Freedom batteries installed by Amel when BeBe was new. The case is exactly the same size in L x W x H. I was told that they were made by Varta in the plant previously owned by Delphi. When Delphi closed Varta acquired the plant and some other entity acquired the Delphi brand, or so I was told.

I paid 165.38 Euro each, or 2,150 Euro for 13 of these batteries including VAT, delivery, installation, and removal of the old batteries.

If you are coming to the Athens area contact Bobby at Elka, phone +30210 42 03 153, email elka"at"elka.com.gr. Tell Bobby that you are interested in exactly the same batteries that he delivered to BeBe at Zea Marina.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Greece

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "hanspeter.baettig@..." <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Lorenzo
The batteries you would like to replace (old Delphi) are the new Varta Hobby 12 V 105 AH
Pol 8
Connection 3/8
" 15 mm high
Varta Code: 811 054 057
These are the batteries Amel puts in all SM (Delphi) renamed now Varta Hobby 12 V

Varta is now a subsidary of US Company Johnson Controls but the manufacturing plant is the same in Europe.
I mixed 6
Delphi batteries with 4 new Varta Hobby with out any problem. I know dont do that; replace all batteries at the same
time, but it is the same fabrication spec.
The price here in Turkey was extremly cheap. 280 TL.
In Italy you shoud get
them for approx. 200 Euro

regards
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Krusadasi , Turkey




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Von:
grahamjohnston42@...
Datum: 28.06.2011 09:48
An: "amelyachtowners@..."<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>
Betreff: Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

Hi Lorenzo,
If it is of any help to you  the Delphi batteries were
manufactured under license in the EU by Varta and marketed by Numax and Vetus under their own brands. They are no
longer made by Varta.
 
Here in the UK Numax stock a similar battey: XV31MF Terminal  1 DT   which I think has both
taper and screw terminals but you would need to check if they are suitable as the terminal layout on out Delphi
batteries on our Sharki are Type 2. I think I will be able to re-drill the copper connecting bar to fit and use these
batteries when our existing ones fail.
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf
 
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/assets/numax_marine2.pdf
 
If they are suitable perhaps there is an Italian
distributor.
 
Good luck,
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr
 

From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To:
"amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011, 0:41
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000


 

Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard
it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are
big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set
so they are fresh and the same age.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"


On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts
non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi
marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in
Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k
#420 Red Passion






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message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

hanspeter baettig
 

Lorenzo
The batteries you would like to replace (old Delphi) are the new Varta Hobby 12 V 105 AH
Pol 8
Connection 3/8
" 15 mm high
Varta Code: 811 054 057
These are the batteries Amel puts in all SM (Delphi) renamed now Varta Hobby 12 V

Varta is now a subsidary of US Company Johnson Controls but the manufacturing plant is the same in Europe.
I mixed 6
Delphi batteries with 4 new Varta Hobby with out any problem. I know dont do that; replace all batteries at the same
time, but it is the same fabrication spec.
The price here in Turkey was extremly cheap. 280 TL.
In Italy you shoud get
them for approx. 200 Euro

regards
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Krusadasi , Turkey




----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von:
grahamjohnston42@...
Datum: 28.06.2011 09:48
An: "amelyachtowners@..."<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>
Betreff: Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

Hi Lorenzo,
If it is of any help to you  the Delphi batteries were
manufactured under license in the EU by Varta and marketed by Numax and Vetus under their own brands. They are no
longer made by Varta.
 
Here in the UK Numax stock a similar battey: XV31MF Terminal  1 DT   which I think has both
taper and screw terminals but you would need to check if they are suitable as the terminal layout on out Delphi
batteries on our Sharki are Type 2. I think I will be able to re-drill the copper connecting bar to fit and use these
batteries when our existing ones fail.
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf
 
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/assets/numax_marine2.pdf
 
If they are suitable perhaps there is an Italian
distributor.
 
Good luck,
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr
 

From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To:
"amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011, 0:41
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000


 

Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard
it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are
big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set
so they are fresh and the same age.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"


On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts
non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi
marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in
Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k
#420 Red Passion

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message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Battery Replacement SM2000

Arca di Noè
 

Salve Lorenzo,

le batterie ho trovate in Italia a Sarzana, al Punto Diesel, un deposito batterie e altro.
Per acquistarle direttamente occorre la partita Iva, altrimenti pu andare a vederle e poi farle ordinare da un elettrauto o da un cantiere navale.
Nel 2009 ne ho acquistate 4 autentiche USA, ma si trovano anche quelle prodotte in Europa con le stesse dimensioni, lo stesso tipo di poli e lo stesso amperaggio, costano un po' meno e durano meno.

Se ha bisogno di altre informazioni, ci scriva in italiano o ci chiami al 3337842624, abbiamo acquistato l'Arca nel 1998 e l'abbiamo completamente rimodernata in Italia secondo la filosofia Amel.

Buona ricerca!

Ettore & Silvana
Arca di No
Mango n. 50

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From: "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:43 AM
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Battery Replacement SM2000

Thanks to all!
I have some trouble with Varta brand, because I can't find battery with screwed poles.

I find that battery, made by "Fiamm": FG2A007, 100 Ah AGM: do you know something about it?

Datasheet:

http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0eba/0900766b80ebac19.pdf


I don't know how to interpretare the numbers in diagrams... :)


If You tell me that's ok I'll proceed to buy it!


Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion



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Re: Battery Replacement SM2000

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

Thanks to all!
I have some trouble with Varta brand, because I can't find battery with screwed poles.

I find that battery, made by "Fiamm": FG2A007, 100 Ah AGM: do you know something about it?

Datasheet:

http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0eba/0900766b80ebac19.pdf


I don't know how to interpretare the numbers in diagrams... :)


If You tell me that's ok I'll proceed to buy it!

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion


Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

lior 555 <lior246@...>
 

Hi Lorenzo

My Amel Maramu is it Turkey (not SM). I asked there for an offer for
battaries and they sent me a qoute for Delphi.
Here is the link:
http://dufour31.pagesperso-orange.fr/astuces/charge%20batteries%20delphi%202.pdf

Das any one know those batteries? Is it the same like the other ones?

Regards
Lior
Maramu #155 SABABA

2011/6/28 Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...>

**


Hi Lorenzo,
If it is of any help to you the Delphi batteries were manufactured under
license in the EU by Varta and marketed by Numax and Vetus under their own
brands. They are no longer made by Varta.

Here in the UK Numax stock a similar battey: XV31MF Terminal 1 DT which
I think has both taper and screw terminals but you would need to check if
they are suitable as the terminal layout on out Delphi batteries on our
Sharki are Type 2. I think I will be able to re-drill the copper connecting
bar to fit and use these batteries when our existing ones fail.
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf

http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/assets/numax_marine2.pdf

If they are suitable perhaps there is an Italian distributor.

Good luck,
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr


From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011, 0:41
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000




Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard
it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or
large automotive truck supply house. These are big batteries with a weight
of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store
order a full set so they are fresh and the same age.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...>
wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can
suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105
AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered
poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with
Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion







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Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hi Lorenzo,
If it is of any help to you  the Delphi batteries were manufactured under license in the EU by Varta and marketed by Numax and Vetus under their own brands. They are no longer made by Varta.
 
Here in the UK Numax stock a similar battey: XV31MF Terminal  1 DT   which I think has both taper and screw terminals but you would need to check if they are suitable as the terminal layout on out Delphi batteries on our Sharki are Type 2. I think I will be able to re-drill the copper connecting bar to fit and use these batteries when our existing ones fail.
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/brochures/battery_specification.pdf
 
http://www.manbat.co.uk/cm/files/assets/numax_marine2.pdf
 
If they are suitable perhaps there is an Italian distributor.
 
Good luck,
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr
 

From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011, 0:41
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000


 

Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set so they are fresh and the same age.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion

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Outhaul gearbox and battery replacement

John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

The outhaul gearboxes are industrial qulity and designed to run continuously. In use for outhauling they only run for perhaps five minutes a day.The only part likely to wear is the bronze drive gear wheel and this is available from Amel for 200 euros plus carriage. When mine were stripped down after ten years use the wheel on the in-mast furling was perfect but the outhaul one was pretty badly worn apparently because it had been fitted the wrong way round originally thus putting the wear off centre.
Varta batteries are made in Germany and of high quality, many other brands come from the Far East and may not be so good. I believe that Winner is made in Taiwan. Fittings are readily available to convert battery posts to bolt on type.

Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319


Re: Battery Replacement SM2000

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yesterday I bought 13 of the Varta 105 amp/hr (A25) batteries. I was told that Varta (very good brand in EU) purchased the French Delphi plant about 2006 and another company bought the Delphi brand name...not sure if this is correct, but it is what I was told.

The Varta 105 amp/hr (A25) has exactly the same case and dimensions as the Delphi Freedom battery installed by Amel on our 2003 Super Maramu. Everything fits perfectly including the copper connection straps.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k #387
Currently Athens, Greece

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.


Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion


Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Having had to search for large group 31 batteries in Europe I know how hard it is to find them. The best is to visit a store like perhaps a Giant or large automotive truck supply house. These are big batteries with a weight of 30 kg each. DO NOT GET SMALLER BATTERIES. best may be to have a store order a full set so they are fresh and the same age.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:58, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion


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Re: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Mark,

Please put in touch with the distributor who could handle the gearbox order.

Thanks

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number





I finally reached someone in the US who is responsive and appears to be able
to source the gearbox. I haven't actually ordered yet as we are overseas and
need to figure out timing etc.

--Mark

__________________________

Mark,

The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA Charleston, SC and
delivery time is about 8 weeks.

The product would be available from the factory in France in 4 weeks if you
wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about $3.50 per kg.

If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in touch with one of our
distributors.

Best regards,

Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager

Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA
8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA
T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Eric,

Check the photo at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/315
936164/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/31
5936164/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

This should give you all you need for the part.

Bill
BeBe

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@> wrote:

Bill,

This is the alternator division of Emerson electric that handles Leroy
Somer.

When I called the number they said that they do not handle the
gearboxes.

Do you have any other info?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill
aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number





Eric,

Here it is...my first email was sent to gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com...I
got
the response from:TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com
___________________________
from TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com
to brouse@ <mailto:brouse%40gmail.com>
date Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18 PM
subject RE: RFQ


Hi Bill,

Good day.

Here is the number of Leroy Somer for direct contact on this reducer.
7319673000. Thank you. Have a great weekend.

Regards,

Tech
____________________________________________
From: svbebe@ <mailto:svbebe%40gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:05 AM
To: gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com
Subject: RFQ

Availability and price of gearbox number 102014 - see attached photo

Regards,

Charles W Bill Rouse
Yacht BeBe
3919 Ruskin St.
Houston, TX 77005

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@>
wrote:





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From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlite@]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:48 PM
To: 'kimberlite'
Subject: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number



Hi,

I called the phone number and they have no info on the gearbox.

Would you please email me your correspondence with them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



Eric and all,

The Leroy Somer gear reduction gearbox is part number 102014. It can
be
ordered from Leroy Somer at the US phone 731-967-3000. I got this
information from gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com. They told me via email
that
it was available.

I have not called the number for a price because I am in Greece now.
Let
me
know if this works out for you.

Best,

Bill
BeBe SM2k, #387
Currently Sounion, Greece

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , kimberlite <kimberlite@>
wrote:

I am also looking for a gearbox for this motor.

Does anyone have a good contact?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number





It seems like quite a few people are tackling the problems servicing
their
outhaul gearboxes. I happened to notice the other day that the top
lip
seal
was shot on mine and started on a two day project to disassemble the
gearbox.

I tried just about everything to get the inner shaft removed, except
"getting medieval with a sledge hammer" as one of the other owners
demonstrated. After bending several 8mm steel brackets and breaking
my
puller tool, we finally succeeded with a 20mm thick steal bracket
that
was
fabricated for the purpose. The nice thing about the approach that
finally
succeeded for us was that all the force was placed on the outer
shaft of
the
gearbox, none on the boom or the other components of the gearbox.
I'll
post
a picture when I have a chance.

I found the model information posted by one of the other owners
here:

Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer
Made in France
6015 Angoulene
Reducteur N 0256889
Type MVA M33C
Rduction 1/60

I have not been able to reach Leroy Somer via their contact page.
Can
anyone
recommend a reliable and inexpensive source to order the gearbox or
parts
from? Any pricing info?

One other question: it seems that the outhaul gearbox causes more
problems
than the main sail furling gearbox. Is that right? Is the latter
just
less
exposed to the elements?

thanks, Mark

SM331

















Re: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Try looking for a group 31 truck battery,

Here in the USA it is a common exact replacement

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite,





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Battery Replacement SM2000





Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can
suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105
AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered
poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.

Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google
trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion


Battery Replacement SM2000

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

Hi to all!

Reading older posts non answer to my question; does anyone of You can suggest me wich battery I have to buy to sostitute the 12 Delphi marine 105 AH?

I like the Varta Automotive Deep Cycle 115 Ah, but it have the tapered poles!!

Ps I am in Italy.


Thanks a lot and sorry for my bad English, next times i'll write with Google trans! :)

Lorenzo, Sm2k #420 Red Passion


Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

karkauai
 

I LIKE it, Bob.
Thanks.
Kent
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

karkauai
 

Well OK then! Here are my next 40 questions:

A joke! Thought I heard a collective sigh.

Y'all are the BOMB!

Kent
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

karkauai
 

Thanks Mike. I guess the Amel drive must be pretty bullet proof. I now have a ss wearing ring but will keep it0for a spare and go with the majority opinion and use bronze. Just hoping the new seals will last longer than a few months this time. It was odd finding no springs in the seals as I know they were there at installation. Can only guess they were NOT ss and rusted completely away when water intruded.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
KRIStY
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Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

rossirossix4
 

Just my 2 cents on the "C" drive and seals.
My oil reservoir is labeled "15w40" and I've read the same in manuals. The 15 rating means that it is thinner at lower temperatures (when you first start up) but retains 40 weight protection at higher temps.

In earlier postings there is mention that Amel went to 1 seal facing inward (toward the oil) and 2 outward toward the sea water. This is because there is more often a problem with sea water leaking into the system then oil leaking out--although both are possible in severely worn or damaged systems.

A key to keeping the stainless lip seal springs from corroding is to pack them in grease. I have had very good luck with the grease that is marketed for packing the wheel bearings of boat trailers. It is designed to keep sea water from permeating and causing corrosion. It is also designed to withstand high rpm and temps and to avoid being washed away by sea water. It is inexpensive--usually blue and green in color and is marketed as "marine boat trailer grease" .

Bob
Brittany de la Mer

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Richard, what is your solution to the chronic "weak link" in the seals for the Amel drive?  I am finding water and oil leaking after just 6 months since the last change.  What's your take on putting the seals in the opposite of how the Amel drawing depicts, with the two inner seals keeping water out, and the outer seal keeping oil in?  Someone on this website said that when the Amel service center in Martinique changed theirs, that's how they did it.
 
I have a transmission fluid reservoir but no oil reservoir for the drive shaft, so I can't easily tell if it's losing oil or being contaminated with water.  I think others have a reservoir for the oil as well.  Can anyone tell me (or better yet, send pics) how this is connected?
 
Frustrated,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

My c drive has a factory label saying use 15-40 weight oil.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Richard03801
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking





Hi Guys the proper oil for the "c" drive is 40 wt MOTOR OIL not ATF.

The prop shaft turns inside the bronze bushings. Should you get a line on
the shaft or bearing wear and the shaft and SS bushing come in contact you
will most likely gaul both and damage the "c" drive. That is y Amel used
bronze a bearing material just in case the ball bearing fail.

SM 209 FOR SAIL IN ANNAPOLIS
Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 24, 2011, at 18:27, amelliahona <no_reply@...
<mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



Hi Kent:

I just posted the pic in a folder entitled Amel SM Transmission / C-drive/
prop shaft.

It wasn't me that made a SS prop shaft wearing-out ring. I have always
used the bronze ring supplied by Amel. However, I didn't understand Richards
comment on the stainless ring being dangerous. It is true that generally you
don't want two metals of the same type as wearing against each other, but
the wearing out ring doesn't "wear" against the prop shaft. The ring is just
basically a sleeve that seals to the prop shaft with an internal o-ring. It
provides a sleeve against which the lip seals "wear". There should be no
rotation of the wearing-out sleeve/ring relative to the prop shaft.

Let me know if from the picture your reservoir is incorrectly filled with
ATF. I am not sure of the miscibility of ATF and engine oil. If the
reservoir has been incorrectly filled with ATF, when you change the prop
shaft seals/wearing out-ring, once the seals are removed you should be able
to use a small tube to insert along side the prop shaft to suck any residual
oil/ATF out and then after installing new seals refill with the correct oil.
I actually used an old pediatric fiberoptic bronchoscope inserted along side
the shaft in this manner to inspect the gears in my C-drive. I am not even
sure that the term C-drive is the correct term, but it serves the purpose as
long as we are all on the same page of what it represents.

Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
wrote:

Thanks, Gary,
That's interesting...there is a single reservoir on Kristy (SM243) in
the location you describe, but it's full of transmission fluid. I have
never traced it's hose to the transmission to confirm, but since there's no
transmission fluid in the drive oil, I assume it's going to the
transmission. There is no reservoir for the drive oil. I look forward to
seeing your pics an will probably install a reservoir for my drive oil as
well.
Â
I'll install my seals as you suggest and see what happens. Wasn't it
you who put the SS retaining ring in place of the brass one? I've had one
machined, but now I'm not sure I should use it after Richard's posts.
Â
Kent

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<mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Gary,

If you use grade 10 Black cap screws instead of the s/s bolts provided the
autoprop puller works every time without any hammering.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking






Thanks Chris for that information. Very valuable. The first time I tried to
remove my prop I stretched out two sets of screws and the thing would not
budge (1 year old boat and the autoprop was recalled by the factory). No
amount of hammering on the puller bolt worked but gently tapping "around"
the hub of the prop where it fit on the shaft resulted in an immediate
"snap" as the prop released. The key is to put tension on the prop with the
puller then tap circumferentially around the prop hub (radially if you
will).

All the best,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM # 335

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Chris Smither
<yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

Hi Kent (et al),
  I've been reading the posts about the prop seals and the "C" drive
with interest. Just to add a little to the correspondence, on our Santorin,
the seals failed shortly after we set out from the Caribbean for the Med.
(in 1998)

  By the time we reached Gibraltar and hauled out, the oil in the
reservoir was almost pure white. On stripping down and checking there was no
sign of any excess wear or play in the gears. They were "squeaky clean". A
local engineer commented that what had been in there was an oil & water
emulsion, and in the days before deterging engine oils that was what was
used to wash out engines & gearboxes - known as flushing oil. Fresh water
would have been better. but no harm had been done.
  We washed the drive out with water, (fresh), from the bottom, using
the drain hole, and the shaft space, then flushed with oil before replacing
the ring and 3 seals, filled with oil, rotated, drained, refilled, until
there was no sign of any water contamination.Â
  I spoke with Amel, at that time the SAV was run by J-Y Selo, and he
confirmed our actions, and advised that the likely cause was monofilament
line in the water, winding round the prop and melting with the friction,
thus ruining the seal. He also said that there was little likelyhood of any
harm being done. He said that he would not advise me to leave the boat
unused for any length of time with the "white stuff" in the reservoir and
gearbox.

  Since 1998, I have replaced the seals 3 times, each time as a result
of contamination, only once at anything other than a planned haulout. (We
were going on a cruise into an area where there were no haulout facilities)
  I, also, have never even considered using anything other than a
bronze wearing ring on the prop shaft, in fact I have two spares, with
seals, (and yes the seals do have s/s springs), one purchased from Amel on a
visit to France, the other locally made, I find it hard to tell the
difference. It's relatively easy to change the ring, a HUGE job to do
anything to the shaft.
  In passing, I was told by another Amel owner that to remove the fixed
pitch prop the best way was to heat it gently whilst applying gentle
pressure with a puller, there will be a "pop" and the prop will be free. I
once managed it without a puller-but remember to wear gloves!
  Hope this helps everyone.

Mike & Chris
Akwaaba
SN027

 Â



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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking


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Thanks, Gary. I should be able to figure it out, especially with your
pic. I won't get back to the boat until Nov, so can't report back what I
have yet. I'd be willing to bet that when the new engine was installed,
that drive (and reservoir) was filled with transmission fluid...instead of
oil. What a mess! I'll let you know what I find. Sometimes it feels
like I'm no farther along now than I was 3 years ago in knowing what I need
to know to take care of a boat like this. Thanks again for dragging me
along with you...hope I don't get too heavy.
Â
Anyone else want to weigh in on the pros/cons of switching to the SS
retaining ring/bushing on the drive shaft for the prop?
Â
Thanks,
Kent

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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Drive Seals leaking

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Guys the proper oil for the "c" drive is 40 wt MOTOR OIL not ATF.

The prop shaft turns inside the bronze bushings. Should you get a line on the shaft or bearing wear and the shaft and SS bushing come in contact you will most likely gaul both and damage the "c" drive. That is y Amel used bronze a bearing material just in case the ball bearing fail.

SM 209 FOR SAIL IN ANNAPOLIS
Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Jun 24, 2011, at 18:27, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:



Hi Kent:

I just posted the pic in a folder entitled Amel SM Transmission / C-drive/ prop shaft.

It wasn't me that made a SS prop shaft wearing-out ring. I have always used the bronze ring supplied by Amel. However, I didn't understand Richards comment on the stainless ring being dangerous. It is true that generally you don't want two metals of the same type as wearing against each other, but the wearing out ring doesn't "wear" against the prop shaft. The ring is just basically a sleeve that seals to the prop shaft with an internal o-ring. It provides a sleeve against which the lip seals "wear". There should be no rotation of the wearing-out sleeve/ring relative to the prop shaft.

Let me know if from the picture your reservoir is incorrectly filled with ATF. I am not sure of the miscibility of ATF and engine oil. If the reservoir has been incorrectly filled with ATF, when you change the prop shaft seals/wearing out-ring, once the seals are removed you should be able to use a small tube to insert along side the prop shaft to suck any residual oil/ATF out and then after installing new seals refill with the correct oil. I actually used an old pediatric fiberoptic bronchoscope inserted along side the shaft in this manner to inspect the gears in my C-drive. I am not even sure that the term C-drive is the correct term, but it serves the purpose as long as we are all on the same page of what it represents.

Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks, Gary,
That's interesting...there is a single reservoir on Kristy (SM243) in the location you describe, but it's full of transmission fluid. I have never traced it's hose to the transmission to confirm, but since there's no transmission fluid in the drive oil, I assume it's going to the transmission. There is no reservoir for the drive oil. I look forward to seeing your pics an will probably install a reservoir for my drive oil as well.
Â
I'll install my seals as you suggest and see what happens. Wasn't it you who put the SS retaining ring in place of the brass one? I've had one machined, but now I'm not sure I should use it after Richard's posts.
Â
Kent

--- On Fri, 6/24/11, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

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