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Re: Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM

Jose Venegas
 

Eric I used nylon screws to cap of the threaded access ports. As I said, I used the same thread as that of the access ports of the auto prop so that I could use the same grease gun. in one of the ports while allowing the old grease to exit through the other.

Cheers.

Jose

Ipanema SM 2K 278
Constitution Marina, Boston

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Jose,

Were you able to find nylon grease fittings or just used nylon nuts as exit
holes for the grease?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM






Danny,

Thanks a lot for posting your method for adding grease to the gear boxes. I
started to hear ominous sounds during Genoa furling and rapidly added two
careful drilled and threaded two access ports to the gearbox. I used the
same thread as that of the access ports of the auto prop as I was going to
use the bronze screws that remained from a recent overhaul of the propeller.
However, I thought it would be best to use nylon hardware to avoid any
possible electrolysis. Using the same grease gun I had for the prop, I
injected new grease into one port and allowed it to flow out on the other
while periodically running the gearbox until the color of the exiting grease
was close to that of the one I was injecting.
Magically the ominous sound calmed down to an quiet purr and I believe the
life of this gearbox may have been saved.

I plan to post a couple of pix of the process as I get back to the boat.

Thanks again!

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 2K
Constitution Marina, Boston

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
<simms@> wrote:

We were in Shelter bay Colon and decided to replace the bearings in the
outhaul gearbox as a precaution before the Pacific crossing.I removed the
boom inverted it and hit hard with my best hammer to no avail.In my former
life the standard procedure in this situation is the gas torch. I approached
the yard to see if they could help and instead of a gas torch I got a big
man with a big wheel puller and large hammer. result, shattered end plate on
the gear box. I then got what I had asked for, a gas torch and an experience
operator. Less than a minute, a gentle tap and out it came. Yes some very
localised paint discoloration, very easy to fix. The story of how we got a
new end for the gearbox manufactured in Colon over a weekend is another
story, suffice to say there are fine tradesmen there if you can find them..

regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand




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Re: [Amel] Prop Lok

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Paul
The brake pads should be replaced before it goes down to metal. When this happened to us we ordered from Amel in France and sent along a picture of the pads after we had removed same.
When removing the engine should be running in order to release the brake pads to open to remove.
Hope this helps

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV Nomad SM #362
Currently in Halifax, NS, Canada



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: p.aebersold@yahoo.de
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:59:03 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Prop Lok






Hello everbody

Actually I have a problem with my prop lok on our SM2000 (Volvo TAMD22PB with ZF Hurth gear box). The break is not working anymore. Most probably I have to change the prop lok blates, the actual ones have a thickness of about 3mm and that may be not enough. The adjustment of the screw is not helping.
Has somebody an idea?
Thanks for your input

Paul
SY Luna Blu
SM #328


Prop Lok

p.aebersold
 

Hello everbody

Actually I have a problem with my prop lok on our SM2000 (Volvo TAMD22PB with ZF Hurth gear box). The break is not working anymore. Most probably I have to change the prop lok blates, the actual ones have a thickness of about 3mm and that may be not enough. The adjustment of the screw is not helping.
Has somebody an idea?
Thanks for your input

Paul
SY Luna Blu
SM #328


Re: Forestay Chain (or Tang) plate SM#353 Indecent

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I took a look at BeBe #387..saw nothing like your photos, but I have two ideas:

1.) LESS LIKELY BUT POSSIBLE: Is it possible that you or or the previous owner of this Super Maramu had a problem with the windlass or replaced the windlass? It is possible that anchor chain caused the groove. Your groove is the exact height of the chain which would normally pass by the Forestay Tang about 2 inches to Starboard of the Tang.

2.) MORE LIKELY AND HIGHLY POSSIBLE: The other possible cause is a certain type of anchor snubber. I see many people use a very short snubber which attaches to the anchor chain on deck. Most of these have a hook which attaches to the chain. If this type of snubber was used on your boat and secured to the primary bow cleat, it is very possible that the hook on the snubber would have caused the groove. Securing the snubber to the primary bow cleat would pull the chain 2 or 3 inches to Port and the elasticity of the snubber would cause the snubber hook to move to and fro etching your groove.

BTW, we use an 8 meter long large diameter multiplait nylon snubber with a stainless pelican hook on one end and a loop large enough to go over the primary bow cleat on the other. When we are ready to snub the anchor, we secure the looped end on the primary bow cleat and pass the pelican hook end of the snubber over the center bow roller to the chain, then let out another 8-10 meters of chain...this way the load is on the anchor snubber, the bow roller and the primary bow cleat.

It would be very much appreciated by me and I think all of us, if in the future you post at least your model (Mango, SM, etc.) and your hull #...it will help us help you and help all of us by informing the group properly.

I hope this helps solve your mystery.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in the Greek Islands

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Pirate" <gmcerillo@...> wrote:

We recently had a rigger onboard who looked at the forestay chain plate and said that the groove in the photos I posted was due to wear on the chain plate and needed to be replaced as well as the bolt. Having really looked at the plate once it was removed, there is no sign of rust where the grooves are and they almost look manufactored. Does anyone have any experience with this on SM 2000? The link to the photos is below. The rigger replaced the plate which does not look to be as sturdy as the original. He was not able to source the bolt.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/508307677/pic/list


Buying a Maramu - Help

gioiscrivano
 

Dear friends,

After a research in order to identify a suitable boat to buy for living aboard, I have been attracted by the Maramu. I have two questions to ask:
1- what is the range price for a Maramu from poor to very good conditions?

2- What is the behaviour of the boat in terms of rolling under sail and engine? is it a stable boat at the anchor?

The second question is very important, I will be very grateful to receive your reports.

Many thanks and fair wind to all.

gioi


Outhaul gear on SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi y'all, We are currently in London and our SM in Spain. I need to measure the length and diameter of the driveshaft from the top of the Andersen winch to the bottom of the gearbox in the outhaul on the boom of an SM.Is there anyone on board an SM who could kindly give me those dimensions? Thanks, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Spain


Re: [Amel] Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM

Eric Freedman
 

Jose,

Were you able to find nylon grease fittings or just used nylon nuts as exit
holes for the grease?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM






Danny,

Thanks a lot for posting your method for adding grease to the gear boxes. I
started to hear ominous sounds during Genoa furling and rapidly added two
careful drilled and threaded two access ports to the gearbox. I used the
same thread as that of the access ports of the auto prop as I was going to
use the bronze screws that remained from a recent overhaul of the propeller.
However, I thought it would be best to use nylon hardware to avoid any
possible electrolysis. Using the same grease gun I had for the prop, I
injected new grease into one port and allowed it to flow out on the other
while periodically running the gearbox until the color of the exiting grease
was close to that of the one I was injecting.
Magically the ominous sound calmed down to an quiet purr and I believe the
life of this gearbox may have been saved.

I plan to post a couple of pix of the process as I get back to the boat.

Thanks again!

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 2K
Constitution Marina, Boston

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
<simms@...> wrote:

We were in Shelter bay Colon and decided to replace the bearings in the
outhaul gearbox as a precaution before the Pacific crossing.I removed the
boom inverted it and hit hard with my best hammer to no avail.In my former
life the standard procedure in this situation is the gas torch. I approached
the yard to see if they could help and instead of a gas torch I got a big
man with a big wheel puller and large hammer. result, shattered end plate on
the gear box. I then got what I had asked for, a gas torch and an experience
operator. Less than a minute, a gentle tap and out it came. Yes some very
localised paint discoloration, very easy to fix. The story of how we got a
new end for the gearbox manufactured in Colon over a weekend is another
story, suffice to say there are fine tradesmen there if you can find them..

regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand




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Re: [Amel] Re: Forestay Chain (or Tang) plate SM#353 Indecent

karkauai
 

Hi, George,
Your plate is very different from the one on Kristy (SM243).  It does look like wear, but I'm not sure I can visualize how it could be worn like that unless the forestay was very loose...and even then not sure how it could move enough at the bitter end to wear all the way across the plate.  Can you send a pic of the whole plate and its attachment to the deck and the furling motor?
Hi to Kim.  Hope y'all are having a good summer.
Kent & Dawn
SM243
KRISTY


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Re: Forestay Chain (or Tang) plate SM#353 Indecent

george cerillo
 

We recently had a rigger onboard who looked at the forestay chain plate and said that the groove in the photos I posted was due to wear on the chain plate and needed to be replaced as well as the bolt. Having really looked at the plate once it was removed, there is no sign of rust where the grooves are and they almost look manufactored. Does anyone have any experience with this on SM 2000? The link to the photos is below. The rigger replaced the plate which does not look to be as sturdy as the original. He was not able to source the bolt.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/508307677/pic/list


Re: [Amel] Running both battery chargers at the same time?

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Jose,
The correct advice is to use the 50 amp charger when running the generator and after a minute add the 30 amp one. When the charge rate falls to about 25 amps turn off the big charger. The 30 amp charger will be enough in a marina as it will be working for much longer. Incidentally Olivier of Amel told us that it would take days to reach a fully charged state as the charge rate reduces as the battery fills.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319, Corfu

----- Original Message -----
From: Jose
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:49 PM
Subject: [Amel] Running both battery chargers at the same time?



I was told to use the 50 amp charger while using the generator and the 30 amp while using shore power to charge the batteries.

A few days ago, I was charging up my batteries with the generator, I inadvertently had both chargers on at the same time. I was very happy to see as much as 70 amps going into the batteries, nicely reducing the charging time compared to using only the 50 amp one. Obviously, at some time the total charge is reduced below 50 amp and one can turn off the 30 amp charger.

Is there any risk doing this?

70 amps charge to 4 24V banks is 17 amps per bank, which is still less than the maximum recommended current for a 110 amp-hr AGM battery (C/4=25 amp).

If I am not missing something, I think this could reduce the charging time and cut generator usage.

Comments??


Re: [Amel] Running both battery chargers at the same time?

David Mackintosh <sv.highland.fling@...>
 

i understood the acceptance rate of AGM's is 100% of the A/H rate

One advantage in gel cell type batteries is that they have a higher
acceptance rate than do the common lead acid type. Acceptance rate
calculations made with gel cell batteries should be based on 40% of their 20
hour amp-hr rating rather than the 25% figure used with lead acid.

The highest acceptance rate is obtained with absorbed glass mat batteries
(AGM). Acceptance rate calculations made with AGM batteries should be based
on 100% of their 20 hour amp-hr rating rather than the 25% figure used with
lead acid or 40% used with gel cells. IF we have four 8D batteries 800
amp-hrs AGM would have an incredible acceptance rate of 800 amps instead of
200 amps (lead acid) or 320 amps (gel cell).

regards

David

On 26 July 2011 17:49, Jose <jvenegas@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

**


I was told to use the 50 amp charger while using the generator and the 30
amp while using shore power to charge the batteries.

A few days ago, I was charging up my batteries with the generator, I
inadvertently had both chargers on at the same time. I was very happy to see
as much as 70 amps going into the batteries, nicely reducing the charging
time compared to using only the 50 amp one. Obviously, at some time the
total charge is reduced below 50 amp and one can turn off the 30 amp
charger.

Is there any risk doing this?

70 amps charge to 4 24V banks is 17 amps per bank, which is still less than
the maximum recommended current for a 110 amp-hr AGM battery (C/4=25 amp).

If I am not missing something, I think this could reduce the charging time
and cut generator usage.

Comments??



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Jose, thanks for the comments. It is an easy and straight forward process. Not hard to do was it. When I disasembled a gearbox for the first time and saw the solid muck that was the old grease providing no lubrication at all there was only one thing to do, I did it and am glad to hear it worked for you too. I had equally good results with the headsail furler. I have had a motto most of my life: oil and grease are the cheapest spare parts you will ever buy. (I change my engine oil and filter every 80 hours) Now having been cruising I add another very cheap spare part to my list: WD40 or CRC in NZ.
Say Hi to the city of Boston from us, we really enjoyed our time there on a mooring right in front of the ferry docks. The sound of the under harbour railway was disconcerting until we worked out what it was. 
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
From: Jose <jvenegas@alum.mit.edu>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: [Amel] Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM


 
Danny,

Thanks a lot for posting your method for adding grease to the gear boxes. I started to hear ominous sounds during Genoa furling and rapidly added two careful drilled and threaded access ports to the gearbox. I used a thread equal to that of the access ports to grease the auto prop as I was going to use the bronze screws that remained from a recent overhaul of the propeller. However, I thought it would be best to use nylon hardware to avoid any possible electrolysis. Using the same grease gun I had for the prop, I injected new
grease into one port and allowed it to flow out of the other while periodically running the motor in the direction that forced the grease in the opposite direction of the second port, that is around the worm gear. This was done until the color of the exiting grease was close to that of the one I was injecting.
Magically the ominous sound calmed down to an quiet purr and I believe the life of this gearbox may have been prolonged for a few more years!

I plan to post a couple of pix of the process as I get back to the boat.

Thanks again!

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Constitution Marina, Boston




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Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

John,
Have a look here http://www.penguineng.com/TapsShowers/Traditional-SubCompact-ShowerControls/MM5000PenguinTap.php they may be similar to yours. The taps in the Penguin Engineering range are fitted to a large number of French boats.They are similar to the ones on our Sharki.
 
Regards
Graham

From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011, 20:31
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner


 

John,

The question about taps has come up before. You are pretty much on your own. Some people who have re-plumbed did so with household fixtures.

I have a friend who is an excellent plumber, originally from Europe, who will visit soon. I am going to ask him if he's seen anything like the original galley arrangement that we still have.

Sounds like you have the same manual we do.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jjjk12s" <jjjk12s@...> wrote:

Thanks for the answer. It makes so much sense when you know!

Does anyone have advice on spares such as the galley taps which are a bit unusual. Do Amel still after all these years supply older parts like these or is it best to look elsewhere?

There is good documentation of equipment onboard and I think I have the manual, at least I have a document about 10 pages long in French which includes layout of plumbing, wiring and seacocks (which I can understand bits of but will get translated properly by a friend). It is refered to as Notice d'Utilisation du Maramu". If a more comprehensive manual exists please let me know.

John



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@> wrote:

John,



If your boat has not been modified over time, that shaft alternator key is
the same as the engine ignition key or, alternatively, is on the same
retaining ring, so that you cannot use both at the same time.

The reason is to prevent distracted (or silly)owners from engaging the
shaft alternator when running the engine. This would be both unnecessary, as
the engine alternator would already be operating, and potentially damaging
to the shaft alternator which would be turning too fast.

I bought a Maramu in 1981 from Amel, and then an SM in 1998 and still
remembers most of the these little, but useful, tricks that they taught me
when handing out the boat in La Rochelle.



Being currently boat less, and hating it, I envy you and hope you will enjoy
both the boat and the learning process.



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jjjk12s
Sent: lundi 25 juillet 2011 12:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner







Thankyou for the welcome and the information, and thankyou Joel for the
offer of more information. If you can find more that would be great. What
you have already remembered is nice to know.

Joel's comment about children and boats is very apt as my kids are 7 and 5
years old. A lived-in boat is not a problem and once renovated she should be
great. The woodwork is all surprisingly good. It is also nice to know it has
been a happy boat with a family.

I am on a steep learning curve as the owner is in USA and the broker is not
familiar with Amel. It took a while of googling to figure out how to check
the fuel level (a dipstick attached under the filler cap I believe) and
there are a few mysteries, for example - I guess that the little keyed panel
with a small LCD display and picture of a prop on the starboard side of the
companionway is for the shaft alternator, but why does it have a key? For
someone who knows Amel well it would be entertaining to see a newbe trying
to figure these things out by themselves. For now I am trailing through old
posts about vinyl liners and am very grateful that this forum is here.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joel F Potter"
<jfpottercys@> wrote:

Hello John and welcome to Amel ownership. I am a yacht broker and Amel's
marketing associate for North America. I sold POPEYE to Bill Klein and his
wife from a nice French husband and wife cruising team on a two year
sailing
sabbatical from shore-side life. They had their two young children, almost
teens I think, with them and they were a very happy and close bunch of
passagemaking sailors having crossed the Atlantic after sailing part of
the
Med and then circumnavigating the entire Caribbean before ending their
adventure as planned here in Florida. I believe their last name was Loick
or
something close to that and that there was one previous owner but I am
operating off memory, a more and more unreliable source. The boat was
French
"Orange Book" national registered originally and through the end or the
Loick's ownership. It was well kept but very much "lived in" and sold
after
a few months on the market. I may be able to retrieve more information for
you as I am away from my office and my files for the next ten days or so
but
I am not sure I have that file any more.



When I sold the boat it was in useable condition (that says a lot, many
boats, Amel's included, are certainly not ready to go offshore) and showed
signs of consistent care and proper maintenance. It had never been holed
or
flooded and showed no structural damage. Housekeeping was average, the
interior was a bit beat up as is often the case when children are aboard.
It
was a "happy boat".



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: <mailto:jfpottercys@> jfpottercys@

<http://www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys> www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jjjk12s
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner





Hello all,

I have just signed a contract on Maramu hull 91 "Popeye". She is lying in
Brisbane and as soon as the sale is finalised I will deliver her to her
new
home in Port Douglas in far north Queensland.

The previous owner, Richard Molony, apparently sailed non-stop
singlehanded
from Panama, an impressive achievement. He has left the boat well but no
shortage of jobs to restore her, hopefully keeping as original as
possible.
Headlinings, repainting and perspex are all near the top of the list.
Hopefully, wise and knowledgable members here will be able to provide some
advice down the line...

In the meantime if anyone has any knowledge of Popeye's history I would
love
to hear it. After looking here I can see a previous owner was Bill Klein
in
New York. The boat may have sailed from France to USA in about 2000.

John





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Running both battery chargers at the same time?

Jose Venegas
 

I was told to use the 50 amp charger while using the generator and the 30 amp while using shore power to charge the batteries.

A few days ago, I was charging up my batteries with the generator, I inadvertently had both chargers on at the same time. I was very happy to see as much as 70 amps going into the batteries, nicely reducing the charging time compared to using only the 50 amp one. Obviously, at some time the total charge is reduced below 50 amp and one can turn off the 30 amp charger.

Is there any risk doing this?

70 amps charge to 4 24V banks is 17 amps per bank, which is still less than the maximum recommended current for a 110 amp-hr AGM battery (C/4=25 amp).

If I am not missing something, I think this could reduce the charging time and cut generator usage.

Comments??


Adding grease to Genoa and Main furling gearboxes on SM

Jose Venegas
 

Danny,

Thanks a lot for posting your method for adding grease to the gear boxes. I started to hear ominous sounds during Genoa furling and rapidly added two careful drilled and threaded access ports to the gearbox. I used a thread equal to that of the access ports to grease the auto prop as I was going to use the bronze screws that remained from a recent overhaul of the propeller. However, I thought it would be best to use nylon hardware to avoid any possible electrolysis. Using the same grease gun I had for the prop, I injected new
grease into one port and allowed it to flow out of the other while periodically running the motor in the direction that forced the grease in the opposite direction of the second port, that is around the worm gear. This was done until the color of the exiting grease was close to that of the one I was injecting.
Magically the ominous sound calmed down to an quiet purr and I believe the life of this gearbox may have been prolonged for a few more years!

I plan to post a couple of pix of the process as I get back to the boat.

Thanks again!

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Constitution Marina, Boston


Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner

Dave_Benjamin
 

John,

The question about taps has come up before. You are pretty much on your own. Some people who have re-plumbed did so with household fixtures.

I have a friend who is an excellent plumber, originally from Europe, who will visit soon. I am going to ask him if he's seen anything like the original galley arrangement that we still have.

Sounds like you have the same manual we do.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jjjk12s" <jjjk12s@...> wrote:

Thanks for the answer. It makes so much sense when you know!

Does anyone have advice on spares such as the galley taps which are a bit unusual. Do Amel still after all these years supply older parts like these or is it best to look elsewhere?

There is good documentation of equipment onboard and I think I have the manual, at least I have a document about 10 pages long in French which includes layout of plumbing, wiring and seacocks (which I can understand bits of but will get translated properly by a friend). It is refered to as Notice d'Utilisation du Maramu". If a more comprehensive manual exists please let me know.

John



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@> wrote:

John,



If your boat has not been modified over time, that shaft alternator key is
the same as the engine ignition key or, alternatively, is on the same
retaining ring, so that you cannot use both at the same time.

The reason is to prevent distracted (or silly)owners from engaging the
shaft alternator when running the engine. This would be both unnecessary, as
the engine alternator would already be operating, and potentially damaging
to the shaft alternator which would be turning too fast.

I bought a Maramu in 1981 from Amel, and then an SM in 1998 and still
remembers most of the these little, but useful, tricks that they taught me
when handing out the boat in La Rochelle.



Being currently boat less, and hating it, I envy you and hope you will enjoy
both the boat and the learning process.



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jjjk12s
Sent: lundi 25 juillet 2011 12:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner







Thankyou for the welcome and the information, and thankyou Joel for the
offer of more information. If you can find more that would be great. What
you have already remembered is nice to know.

Joel's comment about children and boats is very apt as my kids are 7 and 5
years old. A lived-in boat is not a problem and once renovated she should be
great. The woodwork is all surprisingly good. It is also nice to know it has
been a happy boat with a family.

I am on a steep learning curve as the owner is in USA and the broker is not
familiar with Amel. It took a while of googling to figure out how to check
the fuel level (a dipstick attached under the filler cap I believe) and
there are a few mysteries, for example - I guess that the little keyed panel
with a small LCD display and picture of a prop on the starboard side of the
companionway is for the shaft alternator, but why does it have a key? For
someone who knows Amel well it would be entertaining to see a newbe trying
to figure these things out by themselves. For now I am trailing through old
posts about vinyl liners and am very grateful that this forum is here.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joel F Potter"
<jfpottercys@> wrote:

Hello John and welcome to Amel ownership. I am a yacht broker and Amel's
marketing associate for North America. I sold POPEYE to Bill Klein and his
wife from a nice French husband and wife cruising team on a two year
sailing
sabbatical from shore-side life. They had their two young children, almost
teens I think, with them and they were a very happy and close bunch of
passagemaking sailors having crossed the Atlantic after sailing part of
the
Med and then circumnavigating the entire Caribbean before ending their
adventure as planned here in Florida. I believe their last name was Loick
or
something close to that and that there was one previous owner but I am
operating off memory, a more and more unreliable source. The boat was
French
"Orange Book" national registered originally and through the end or the
Loick's ownership. It was well kept but very much "lived in" and sold
after
a few months on the market. I may be able to retrieve more information for
you as I am away from my office and my files for the next ten days or so
but
I am not sure I have that file any more.



When I sold the boat it was in useable condition (that says a lot, many
boats, Amel's included, are certainly not ready to go offshore) and showed
signs of consistent care and proper maintenance. It had never been holed
or
flooded and showed no structural damage. Housekeeping was average, the
interior was a bit beat up as is often the case when children are aboard.
It
was a "happy boat".



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: <mailto:jfpottercys@> jfpottercys@

<http://www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys> www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner





Hello all,

I have just signed a contract on Maramu hull 91 "Popeye". She is lying in
Brisbane and as soon as the sale is finalised I will deliver her to her
new
home in Port Douglas in far north Queensland.

The previous owner, Richard Molony, apparently sailed non-stop
singlehanded
from Panama, an impressive achievement. He has left the boat well but no
shortage of jobs to restore her, hopefully keeping as original as
possible.
Headlinings, repainting and perspex are all near the top of the list.
Hopefully, wise and knowledgable members here will be able to provide some
advice down the line...

In the meantime if anyone has any knowledge of Popeye's history I would
love
to hear it. After looking here I can see a previous owner was Bill Klein
in
New York. The boat may have sailed from France to USA in about 2000.

John





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Re: [Amel] Main Outhaul on SM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We were in Shelter bay Colon and decided to replace the bearings in the outhaul gearbox as a precaution before the Pacific crossing.I removed the boom inverted it and hit hard with my best hammer to no avail.In my former life the standard procedure in this situation is the gas torch. I approached the yard to see if they could help and instead of a gas torch I got a big man with a big wheel puller and large hammer. result, shattered end plate on the gear box. I then got what I had asked for, a gas torch and an experience operator. Less than a minute, a gentle tap and out it came. Yes some very localised paint discoloration, very easy to fix. The story of how we got a new end for the gearbox manufactured in Colon over a weekend is another story, suffice to say there are fine tradesmen there if you can find them..

regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: eric <kimberlite@optonline.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Main Outhaul on SM


 
Danny,
With the boom laying on the deck, upside down and supported by alot of wood. the shaft only has to move about 3 cm to come out. bear in mind that all the force on the boom and shaft is directed directly downward to the shaft. There are no worries about burning the lip seals on the gearbox , or for that matter setting it on fire, removing the temper from the metal bracket, or discoloring of the paint
Fair winds
Eric
sm 376.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Ian and Judy, as I have said before, to remove the centre shaft if it is frozen in place the application of heat from an oxyacetylene torch (by a suitably experienced operator) can do a lot less damage than large hammers.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: [Amel] Main Outhaul on SM


 

Hi Y'all, This has been a well documented area but there is one further point worth making. I changed my outhaul gearbox in Guadeloupe two years ago when it was 9 years old and we had sailed about 40,000 miles. It worked OK but was getting noisy.Unfortunately when the gearbox was renewed the original grommets were reused. The outhaul has worked happily since, another 5,000 miles or so, but the other day I noticed that the motor was moving from side to side under use. I hadn't noticed this before, presumably because when unfurling or furling the main you are looking at the sail and not the motor. On inspection I found that three of the bolts attaching the gearbox to the bracket on the boom had sheared. By itself that is a pain as it means driving the driveshaft out of the gearbox to release the gearbox so that you can tap out the broken bolts and replace them.Gary Silver's photos are wonderful for showing you what to expect, as is Kimberlite's photo
showing the necessary use of a sledge hammer! However, that is only part of the problem . After 11 years the bolts have worn oval holes in the bracket so that even if I replace the bolts with fresh grommets the scene is immediately set for renewed wear. One solution is to cut off the lower part of the bracket and weld a fresh one on. Mid-season, in a Spanish seaside town, with the inevitable guests a few days away, this is not easily done. What does occur to me is to improve on the Amel design by adding a fresh plate ( with fresh bolt holes) to the inside of the lower part of the bracket which would also have sides that drop down a few millimeters ,port and starboard, to sit against the outside of the gearbox so that the gearbox is held firmly in place . This would avoid the grommets and the bolts having to withstand the sideways pressure exerted each time the outhaul is used..
Two points1. Has anyone else had the problem of oval holes in the bracket and what solution did they adopt?
2. I encourage everyone to do what we failed to do, namely to check regularly on the tightness of the bolts holding the gearbox onto the bracket and also to look at the condition of the grommets.
Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, San Carles de la Rapita, Spain





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Re: [Amel] Main Outhaul on SM

Eric Freedman
 

Danny,
With the boom laying on the deck, upside down and supported by alot of wood. the shaft only has to move about 3 cm to come out. bear in mind that all the force on the boom and shaft is directed directly downward to the shaft. There are no worries about burning the lip seals on the gearbox , or for that matter setting it on fire, removing the temper from the metal bracket, or discoloring of the paint
Fair winds
Eric
sm 376.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Ian and Judy, as I have said before, to remove the centre shaft if it is frozen in place the application of heat from an oxyacetylene torch (by a suitably experienced operator) can do a lot less damage than large hammers.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 8:43 AM
Subject: [Amel] Main Outhaul on SM


 

Hi Y'all, This has been a well documented area but there is one further point worth making. I changed my outhaul gearbox in Guadeloupe two years ago when it was 9 years old and we had sailed about 40,000 miles. It worked OK but was getting noisy.Unfortunately when the gearbox was renewed the original grommets were reused. The outhaul has worked happily since, another 5,000 miles or so, but the other day I noticed that the motor was moving from side to side under use. I hadn't noticed this before, presumably because when unfurling or furling the main you are looking at the sail and not the motor. On inspection I found that three of the bolts attaching the gearbox to the bracket on the boom had sheared. By itself that is a pain as it means driving the driveshaft out of the gearbox to release the gearbox so that you can tap out the broken bolts and replace them.Gary Silver's photos are wonderful for showing you what to expect, as is Kimberlite's photo
showing the necessary use of a sledge hammer! However, that is only part of the problem . After 11 years the bolts have worn oval holes in the bracket so that even if I replace the bolts with fresh grommets the scene is immediately set for renewed wear. One solution is to cut off the lower part of the bracket and weld a fresh one on. Mid-season, in a Spanish seaside town, with the inevitable guests a few days away, this is not easily done. What does occur to me is to improve on the Amel design by adding a fresh plate ( with fresh bolt holes) to the inside of the lower part of the bracket which would also have sides that drop down a few millimeters ,port and starboard, to sit against the outside of the gearbox so that the gearbox is held firmly in place . This would avoid the grommets and the bolts having to withstand the sideways pressure exerted each time the outhaul is used.
Two points1. Has anyone else had the problem of oval holes in the bracket and what solution did they adopt?
2. I encourage everyone to do what we failed to do, namely to check regularly on the tightness of the bolts holding the gearbox onto the bracket and also to look at the condition of the grommets.
Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, San Carles de la Rapita, Spain





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Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner

Barbara Nairne
 

Hi John,
Congratulations on your purchase. We saw Popeye when we were at Rivergate a couple of months ago.
We are in Mooloolaba at present (Sueno Azul on E5) at the yacht club - call in if you stop in here.
 
Best wishes
Barb and Paul

--- On Sun, 24/7/11, jjjk12s <jjjk12s@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: jjjk12s <jjjk12s@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, 24 July, 2011, 8:15 AM


 



Hello all,

I have just signed a contract on Maramu hull 91 "Popeye". She is lying in Brisbane and as soon as the sale is finalised I will deliver her to her new home in Port Douglas in far north Queensland.

The previous owner, Richard Molony, apparently sailed non-stop singlehanded from Panama, an impressive achievement. He has left the boat well but no shortage of jobs to restore her, hopefully keeping as original as possible. Headlinings, repainting and perspex are all near the top of the list. Hopefully, wise and knowledgable members here will be able to provide some advice down the line...

In the meantime if anyone has any knowledge of Popeye's history I would love to hear it. After looking here I can see a previous owner was Bill Klein in New York. The boat may have sailed from France to USA in about 2000.

John








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Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

Thanks for the answer. It makes so much sense when you know!

Does anyone have advice on spares such as the galley taps which are a bit unusual. Do Amel still after all these years supply older parts like these or is it best to look elsewhere?

There is good documentation of equipment onboard and I think I have the manual, at least I have a document about 10 pages long in French which includes layout of plumbing, wiring and seacocks (which I can understand bits of but will get translated properly by a friend). It is refered to as Notice d'Utilisation du Maramu". If a more comprehensive manual exists please let me know.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

John,



If your boat has not been modified over time, that shaft alternator key is
the same as the engine ignition key or, alternatively, is on the same
retaining ring, so that you cannot use both at the same time.

The reason is to prevent distracted (or silly)owners from engaging the
shaft alternator when running the engine. This would be both unnecessary, as
the engine alternator would already be operating, and potentially damaging
to the shaft alternator which would be turning too fast.

I bought a Maramu in 1981 from Amel, and then an SM in 1998 and still
remembers most of the these little, but useful, tricks that they taught me
when handing out the boat in La Rochelle.



Being currently boat less, and hating it, I envy you and hope you will enjoy
both the boat and the learning process.



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jjjk12s
Sent: lundi 25 juillet 2011 12:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner







Thankyou for the welcome and the information, and thankyou Joel for the
offer of more information. If you can find more that would be great. What
you have already remembered is nice to know.

Joel's comment about children and boats is very apt as my kids are 7 and 5
years old. A lived-in boat is not a problem and once renovated she should be
great. The woodwork is all surprisingly good. It is also nice to know it has
been a happy boat with a family.

I am on a steep learning curve as the owner is in USA and the broker is not
familiar with Amel. It took a while of googling to figure out how to check
the fuel level (a dipstick attached under the filler cap I believe) and
there are a few mysteries, for example - I guess that the little keyed panel
with a small LCD display and picture of a prop on the starboard side of the
companionway is for the shaft alternator, but why does it have a key? For
someone who knows Amel well it would be entertaining to see a newbe trying
to figure these things out by themselves. For now I am trailing through old
posts about vinyl liners and am very grateful that this forum is here.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joel F Potter"
<jfpottercys@> wrote:

Hello John and welcome to Amel ownership. I am a yacht broker and Amel's
marketing associate for North America. I sold POPEYE to Bill Klein and his
wife from a nice French husband and wife cruising team on a two year
sailing
sabbatical from shore-side life. They had their two young children, almost
teens I think, with them and they were a very happy and close bunch of
passagemaking sailors having crossed the Atlantic after sailing part of
the
Med and then circumnavigating the entire Caribbean before ending their
adventure as planned here in Florida. I believe their last name was Loick
or
something close to that and that there was one previous owner but I am
operating off memory, a more and more unreliable source. The boat was
French
"Orange Book" national registered originally and through the end or the
Loick's ownership. It was well kept but very much "lived in" and sold
after
a few months on the market. I may be able to retrieve more information for
you as I am away from my office and my files for the next ten days or so
but
I am not sure I have that file any more.



When I sold the boat it was in useable condition (that says a lot, many
boats, Amel's included, are certainly not ready to go offshore) and showed
signs of consistent care and proper maintenance. It had never been holed
or
flooded and showed no structural damage. Housekeeping was average, the
interior was a bit beat up as is often the case when children are aboard.
It
was a "happy boat".



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: <mailto:jfpottercys@> jfpottercys@

<http://www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys> www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jjjk12s
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Amel maramu beginner





Hello all,

I have just signed a contract on Maramu hull 91 "Popeye". She is lying in
Brisbane and as soon as the sale is finalised I will deliver her to her
new
home in Port Douglas in far north Queensland.

The previous owner, Richard Molony, apparently sailed non-stop
singlehanded
from Panama, an impressive achievement. He has left the boat well but no
shortage of jobs to restore her, hopefully keeping as original as
possible.
Headlinings, repainting and perspex are all near the top of the list.
Hopefully, wise and knowledgable members here will be able to provide some
advice down the line...

In the meantime if anyone has any knowledge of Popeye's history I would
love
to hear it. After looking here I can see a previous owner was Bill Klein
in
New York. The boat may have sailed from France to USA in about 2000.

John





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