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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail
Woods, Dennis (WMI, Ireland) <dennis.woods@...>
Delores,
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are you talking about protecting and polishiing the stainless steel deck guard rail here ? Im finding it difficult to get this job done. help appreciated, Dennis Woods Co owner Khamsin B Amel Santorin Sloop
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From: stargazer41amel [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: 01 December 2003 21:18 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail After owning our Sharki for 8 years now, we have finally found a product that stops the oxidation of our rub rail. 303 Products makes an item called 303 Aerospace Protectant. The best I can say is WOW! Check out their website www.303products.com and learn all about their line. Delores Carter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c41l68t/M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070399982/A=1853618/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Def ault?mqso=60178338&partid=4116730> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=335224550> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Double berths
Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
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<Dear Ian and Judy, Thanks for your info. To see the pics open "photos" and then click on the thumbnail marked Bali Hai. Of our alterations we rate the double bunk and the cockpit seat as huge improvements. The various movements possible easily with the aid of the gas filled struts in the pedestal mean that, at a guess, the seat is only pointing forward about 5% of the time. It is also relatively comfortable to sit in it pointing upwind when heeled. What I forgot to say is that I fixed two teak hand holds above the wheel on the back edge of the hard dodger so that there is something to hang on to for geriatrics like me to get out of the seat when the boat is well heeled on starboard tack. Let us know if you need any more info. We totally agree with you about the desirability of having a second drive for the autopilot. With my last boat we had several failures of the linear drive. Admittedly the drive fitted on that leaky Oyster only had plastic instead of brass gears in the linear drive unit but we only found that out in mid Atlantic When it happened again in the Pacific the problem was a build up in carbon dust in the drive motor housing. Amel assures me that they fit drive units with brass gears which is very good news.The life of the plastic ones seemed to be about 12,000 miles and the life of the carbon brushes perhaps 40,000 miles. Serious long distance cruisers would be well advised to carry spares. Plastic gear sets cost £12.50 and brass ones £125.0 10 years ago. We were carrying three spare sets of the plastic gears across the Pacific and sold one set to a couple stranded in the Cook Islands and another to a couple stranded in Tonga. The brush problem happened in Vanuatu, and an Email to Raymarine UK asking for spares resulted in them replying that they had changed motor suppliers telling us to contact the previous suppliers direct. Naturally they omitted to tell us where and how to do this. Luckily we then found that the spare brushes which came with the boat when I bought it, and which I thought were for the anchor winch, fitted perfectly. Regards Anne and John Bal Hai SM 319
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photos
eric freedman <kimberlt@...>
hi,
does anyone have factory pictures of the Amel factory . I have already seen the existing ones on the yahoo website. thanks fair winds eric freedman sm 376 kimberlite
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ian -- do you have any more info on the "mer" product ?
eric freedman <kimberlt@...>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail
stargazer41amel <no_reply@...>
Hi Ian,
The 303 product is clear and would not be a problem as far as the "grain" goes. But I doubt I would use on the faux teak decks as it might be slippery. It would effectively prevent the fading that is experienced on the Amel boats but I fear it would be a liability under foot. You may want to go to the web site ... www.303products.com and ask them about their product on the deck. I am going to look into your product recommendation. Do I understand from your emails that you singlehand your Amel? If so, how long have you been doing so? Delores s/v Stargazer --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@c...> wrote: Hi Delores,that keeps all gel coat in show room condition as well as making smoke removal a cinch. It's called Mer, and I believe it is of German origin. I bought mine at the Southampton Boat Show. It been around for a while. It's very easy to apply and polishes off easily too. I did the whole boat in a few hours by myself one sunny day in Kinsale. a clear liquid, or a white polish that might be difficult to wipe out of the 'grain' on the desks?
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Double berths
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Dear Anne and John, I am interested to see your cockpit chair pictures , but being somewhat of a novice on a computerI am struggling to find them---what do I do to download them?
You have my sympathies on the double berth in the aft cabin. We solved our problem in another way ( and am I right in thinking that from 2000 on the SM has more room fore and aft on the aft bed ?) We opted for the vanity table in the aft cabin ( not sure we would do so again, as it merely becomes another shelf with less efficient storage underneath). However, we asked Amel to put a chock between the double berth and that part of the berth which is aft of the vanity unit. The Port side of the chiock is about 12 " longer than than the starboard side , and at their suggestion the matress is in only two parts.This gives us a huge double berth athwartships at very little ( possibly no extra?) cost and we keep the easy access to all underberth lockers. Ian, One solution to the noise of the Autohelm in the aft berth is to fit a second , rotary, drive with a changeover switch.Redundancy, plus a good nights sleep. With just two of us we favour either the aft cabin, in light airs , or the berth above the batteries. However, we have belatedly discovered that the pilot berth in the saloon is much better than expected ( though some means needs to be discovered of stopping the outboard, aft, end of the wooden base from grinding on its supporting shelf), and , much to our surprise, the berths in the forecabin can be very comfortable off the wind ( we have hitherto reserved them for the crew we never sail with...) Sweet dreams, Ian and Judy. Pen Azen _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
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How do you rig the poles when they are not deployed. what do you do besides using the hook on the end of the pole? Fair winds, Eric SM 376 kimberlite
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From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@compuserve.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:30 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hi Again, I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well. I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing. Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward! The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip. Ian Shepherd "Crusader" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c04pie8/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070832810/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=372566928> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Again,
I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well. I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing. Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward! The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip. Ian Shepherd "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Stephan,
interesting to read that you too get wet sails when stowed up front. When I arrived in Greenland after a lively crossing from Ireland, I found several inches of water in the forward lockers. I just do not believe that those thin walled seals that crush too easily and which have folds in the corners are man enough for the job. They may keep the rain out, but when the bow buries itself into a wave, they just cannot cope. I have removed the bung in the port side locker to minimize the problem, though this will comprise flotation, though with the seals as they are, I wonder how much real buoyancy there would be if the bow was submerged? I have emailed Amel and suggested that a firmer molded seal is needed on the bow lockers, and the safety locker too, but so far, no response. If anyone has found a solution to this problem, then please let us know. Fortunately, the colours on the new ballooner and staysail do not seem to run when wet like they did with the previous boat. Putting a grate in each locker would at least keep the stowed items out of the water that sloshes about. Ian Shepherd SM 2000 # 414 "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bali Hai SM319 A good nights sleep
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Dear Anne and John,
Thank you for the further info on the aft cabin storage. I did not realize that one of the bunks in the aft cabin can be converted into a double, (like the fore cabin I suspect), as both my boats have been made with the fixed double layout. As a live aboard most of the time, space is always at a premium, even on an Amel. I discarded many other makes of yachts due to lack of storage space. When I sold my first SM 2000 after two and a quarter years, I was astounded at just how much junk I had collected in such a short time. It would never have squeezed into many boats on the market. I use the space under the fixed double for spare duvets, towels, sheets etc and my first boat had a secure locker built in there too. Congratulations on your ingenious conversion. To be able to put everything back to manufacturers specification is mostly a bonus when it comes to selling. I must admit that I have never been able to sleep in the aft cabin underway. The noise from the autopilot linear ram is just too irritating. It would be great if there was room enough to use some engine room sound insulation around that area. Sailing mostly single handed, I close the aft bulkhead door and use the companion way berth where it is much quieter and I can be woken by the radar alarm should an intruder come too close. I have an Autohelm remote control clipped to the wall by the bunk to deal with any alarms and to keep an eye on progress and wind conditions should something feel not right, and also a hand held VHF so that I can switch the main VHF off when sleeping. The handheld on Ch 16 will pick up someone close enough who may wish to communicate without being woken by far off traffic. I can also look around the bulkhead at my laptop which I angle towards the bunk. The Nobeltec display is easily seen, though I am considering installing a mirror so that I can view the laptop and the radar without cricking my neck! Fair Winds Ian "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Delores,
thanks for this good tip. I have also found a marvelous product that keeps all gel coat in show room condition as well as making smoke removal a cinch. It's called Mer, and I believe it is of German origin. I bought mine at the Southampton Boat Show. It been around for a while. It's very easy to apply and polishes off easily too. I did the whole boat in a few hours by myself one sunny day in Kinsale. I guess your protectant might work wonders on the faux teak? Is it a clear liquid, or a white polish that might be difficult to wipe out of the 'grain' on the desks? Best Wishes Ian Shepherd "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
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Thanks for the note. A friend of mine on another Amel was thinking pf ordering shorter poles just to prevent them from dipping. My boat is currently in St Thomas. I have been toying with the idea of a trip around the horn, but I have to do my homework first. I found that a gennaker was very handy sail for the trade winds. The wind comes from a direction that does not lend itself to using the pole setup. We had our gennaker up for 6 or 7 days while crossing the Atlantic both day and night. We had an atn sock on it and it allowed us to douse the sail quickly if needed. We use that sail a lot. It is big enough to pull the boat without any other sails up. It is made of 1 ½-ounce material and can be flown up to 25 knots apparent. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:05 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c9fmluk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070528680/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=605222758> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
While delivering my recently aquired Sharki from
Florida to Charleston the main sail, 50% reefed in a I35-40 kt squall was ripped and shredded. This came as a surprise as the Surveyor had prononced the sail to be in good condition. I mention this to restate the need for U.V. protection not only on the head sail but also on the leech of both the Main and Mizzen. Upon investigation it was determined that the wide throat in the mast allows the sun to weaken that part of the sail exposed and whilst the bulk of the sail is protected the leach is slowly being rotted away. In my case the leach ripped and the strong winds took over from this weakness. The bright side is I now have a wonderfull new main for less than 2 "boat units". They even installed the logo --- Philippe Guyot <baligand@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello Eric & Stephan,<http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D= egroupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM> === message truncated ===M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
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The foam luff is simply that. The sailmaker sews foam into the luff of the sail. This allows the sail to be furled with a better shape. I had it done by Doyle Sailmakers. There is a Doyle loft in Ft. Lauderdale. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Philippe Guyot [mailto:baligand@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hello Eric & Stephan, Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cpv7rkk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070614284/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=174657268> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Philippe Guyot <baligand@...>
Hello Eric & Stephan,
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Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245
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From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
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Eric
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From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Dear Stephan, I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite. -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Stephan,
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I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
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