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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Again,
I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well. I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing. Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward! The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip. Ian Shepherd "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Stephan,
interesting to read that you too get wet sails when stowed up front. When I arrived in Greenland after a lively crossing from Ireland, I found several inches of water in the forward lockers. I just do not believe that those thin walled seals that crush too easily and which have folds in the corners are man enough for the job. They may keep the rain out, but when the bow buries itself into a wave, they just cannot cope. I have removed the bung in the port side locker to minimize the problem, though this will comprise flotation, though with the seals as they are, I wonder how much real buoyancy there would be if the bow was submerged? I have emailed Amel and suggested that a firmer molded seal is needed on the bow lockers, and the safety locker too, but so far, no response. If anyone has found a solution to this problem, then please let us know. Fortunately, the colours on the new ballooner and staysail do not seem to run when wet like they did with the previous boat. Putting a grate in each locker would at least keep the stowed items out of the water that sloshes about. Ian Shepherd SM 2000 # 414 "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bali Hai SM319 A good nights sleep
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Dear Anne and John,
Thank you for the further info on the aft cabin storage. I did not realize that one of the bunks in the aft cabin can be converted into a double, (like the fore cabin I suspect), as both my boats have been made with the fixed double layout. As a live aboard most of the time, space is always at a premium, even on an Amel. I discarded many other makes of yachts due to lack of storage space. When I sold my first SM 2000 after two and a quarter years, I was astounded at just how much junk I had collected in such a short time. It would never have squeezed into many boats on the market. I use the space under the fixed double for spare duvets, towels, sheets etc and my first boat had a secure locker built in there too. Congratulations on your ingenious conversion. To be able to put everything back to manufacturers specification is mostly a bonus when it comes to selling. I must admit that I have never been able to sleep in the aft cabin underway. The noise from the autopilot linear ram is just too irritating. It would be great if there was room enough to use some engine room sound insulation around that area. Sailing mostly single handed, I close the aft bulkhead door and use the companion way berth where it is much quieter and I can be woken by the radar alarm should an intruder come too close. I have an Autohelm remote control clipped to the wall by the bunk to deal with any alarms and to keep an eye on progress and wind conditions should something feel not right, and also a hand held VHF so that I can switch the main VHF off when sleeping. The handheld on Ch 16 will pick up someone close enough who may wish to communicate without being woken by far off traffic. I can also look around the bulkhead at my laptop which I angle towards the bunk. The Nobeltec display is easily seen, though I am considering installing a mirror so that I can view the laptop and the radar without cricking my neck! Fair Winds Ian "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Delores,
thanks for this good tip. I have also found a marvelous product that keeps all gel coat in show room condition as well as making smoke removal a cinch. It's called Mer, and I believe it is of German origin. I bought mine at the Southampton Boat Show. It been around for a while. It's very easy to apply and polishes off easily too. I did the whole boat in a few hours by myself one sunny day in Kinsale. I guess your protectant might work wonders on the faux teak? Is it a clear liquid, or a white polish that might be difficult to wipe out of the 'grain' on the desks? Best Wishes Ian Shepherd "Crusader"
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Stephan,
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Thanks for the note. A friend of mine on another Amel was thinking pf ordering shorter poles just to prevent them from dipping. My boat is currently in St Thomas. I have been toying with the idea of a trip around the horn, but I have to do my homework first. I found that a gennaker was very handy sail for the trade winds. The wind comes from a direction that does not lend itself to using the pole setup. We had our gennaker up for 6 or 7 days while crossing the Atlantic both day and night. We had an atn sock on it and it allowed us to douse the sail quickly if needed. We use that sail a lot. It is big enough to pull the boat without any other sails up. It is made of 1 ½-ounce material and can be flown up to 25 knots apparent. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:05 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c9fmluk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070528680/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=605222758> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
While delivering my recently aquired Sharki from
Florida to Charleston the main sail, 50% reefed in a I35-40 kt squall was ripped and shredded. This came as a surprise as the Surveyor had prononced the sail to be in good condition. I mention this to restate the need for U.V. protection not only on the head sail but also on the leech of both the Main and Mizzen. Upon investigation it was determined that the wide throat in the mast allows the sun to weaken that part of the sail exposed and whilst the bulk of the sail is protected the leach is slowly being rotted away. In my case the leach ripped and the strong winds took over from this weakness. The bright side is I now have a wonderfull new main for less than 2 "boat units". They even installed the logo --- Philippe Guyot <baligand@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello Eric & Stephan,<http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D= egroupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM> === message truncated ===M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Philippe,
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The foam luff is simply that. The sailmaker sews foam into the luff of the sail. This allows the sail to be furled with a better shape. I had it done by Doyle Sailmakers. There is a Doyle loft in Ft. Lauderdale. Fair winds, Eric
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From: Philippe Guyot [mailto:baligand@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Hello Eric & Stephan, Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cpv7rkk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070614284/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=174657268> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Philippe Guyot <baligand@...>
Hello Eric & Stephan,
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Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and found solutions. We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will be headed for Central America and Panama. Philippe Guyot Baligand SM 245
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From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat (chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like an accidental jibe. Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the pole. We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast. Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out. We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med, Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West Africa. Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn? Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...> wrote: I forgot to ask-where are you located?The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, weon the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you firstin heavy weather.horn? <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411we b. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674¢ç=egroupweb&pos=HM>M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D= eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netfli x. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click hereM=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
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Eric
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From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Dear Stephan, I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite. -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cjdmopp/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070503361/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=755658269> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn
kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
Dear Stephan,
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I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome. Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail locker. It gets a little wet up there. I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled, Fair winds, Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn Eric, We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cnf3v6q/M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1070477418/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web. com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3614674∝=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=259395.3614674.4902533.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=925097335> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: trip around the horn
Stephan Regulinski
Eric,
We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in heavy weather. Stephan ("Delos" SMM303) --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212 <no_reply@y...> wrote: Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
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Oxidation of rub rail
stargazer41amel <no_reply@...>
After owning our Sharki for 8 years now, we have finally found a
product that stops the oxidation of our rub rail. 303 Products makes an item called 303 Aerospace Protectant. The best I can say is WOW! Check out their website www.303products.com and learn all about their line. Delores Carter
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Bali Hai SM319 A good nights sleep
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
Dear Ian,
All the storage on the port side is now full of the clip on parts for the Amel Double bunk.The drawer on the starboard side is not easy to get at but we use the open locker behind it for shoes.All the original storage is easily accessed by tilting the whole bed as in one of the pics. I suppose that one could store a lot of stuff that is not used often in the spaces behind the head and foot rests. There is a space under the bed about 90x80x38cms and we slide the odd box or two into there. I had forgotten to mention the finishing touch to the bed. We got a board about 12cms wide and 2mtrs long and padded one side of it with some upholstery fibre and covered it with some of the fabric from the original cushions stapled on to the blind side. We then drilled three or four holes in the exposed side of the bed base and screwed the padded board on through these holes. The whole job is no big deal and does not require much skill, an easy DIY project. It does help to have a jig saw to cut the curved sections of plywood ! The whole thing could easily be removed to revert to the original configuration if anyone wanted to as there would be no visible marks apart from the butchered cushion. Regards, Anne and John
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM319 A good nights sleep
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi John & Anne,
thanks for all the good ideas. I have one query concerning the aft cabin bed modification. I don't know whether the single berths layout has storage under each bunk, but my double certainly does. I would miss this very useful space if it were to be made inaccessible by the new bed slats. Did you find a solution to this potential problem? Pleasant Dreams Ian Shepherd "Crusader: SM2000 #414
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SM319 A good nights sleep
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
My wife and I are both about 6'1"or1.87m. We nearly did not buy an
Amel because of the bunks in the aft cabin.We settled for the standard design (without the dressing table).Our solution was to buy a queen size bed base with two sets of wooden slats and 2 Dunlopillo type rubber foam mattresses and make them fit it across the cabin.It turned out to be quite easy to do and is a huge improvement. The shop was a bit surprised when we asked them to deliver the base in pieces but fitting in a base 2.0m x1.55m through the aft hatch was too difficult! The frame was roughly assembled in the cabin to see what surgery was needed.The position of the saw cuts was obvious after allowing for each cut section to be long enough to accept the slats and their mounts.The pieces were put in place on the original bed base on top of a sheet of brown paper which was marked up to provide a template to cut suitably shaped pieces of 18mm ply to fix the cut pieces to so that once again we had a bed frame but now tailored to fit the space available. Offcuts of the ply were used to lift up the frame sections that were not already lifted by the jury frame. This left spaces either end of the bed frame and so we used bits of wood cut to size, at 30mm centres, to go from the sides of the frame up to the hidden side of the front bottom of the lockers and roughly secured these with pieces of wood notched to receive the uprights.These pieces were screwed up to the under side of the lockers. We then got a piece of hard board and cut it to be just too long length and heightwise to fill the vertical gaps at the head and foot of the bed frame. We then cut these bits of hardboard across the middle from end to end and fixed what was to become the top half to the top part of the struts tucking it in behind the bottom of the lockers.Then put the other half in place below it and make a pencil line along the top of it. Remove the top piece and cut off the marked strip and refix having sorted out the length. The surprising thing is that the original long back cushion will now fit in around the new bed.All that remains to be done is to cut up the original mattress and its cover to make cushions to fit the gaps between the head and foot of the new bunk and the forward bulkhead.We only made these single thickness. They would have been better double thickness to bring them up to the level of the top of the mattresses. If it is ever necessary to fit the emergency tiller it is easy to split the mattresses and remove one set of slats to give access. Similarly the new frame is easily tilted up and propped with the boat hook to access the rudder quadrant etc.. The new bunk works very well and,of course,when the boat is heeled one person can sleep comfortably lying fore and aft. Regards to all from Anne and John on Bali Hai in Malta.
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Alterations we made,Bali Hai SM319
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
We have just loaded a photo album showing some of the things we have
changed.Nos 1,2&3 show a much more user friendly cockpit seat.It is based on a New Zealand made pedestal which has gas filled struts to raise it and to move the seat fore and aft. The pedestal cost about £100 about three years ago made by softrider@mti.co.nz. The seat shell is available world wide but it would have been better if I had picked one with a hand hold at the top of the back. The seat and top half of the pedestal lift off to give easy access to the locker. The hard bit about fitting it is removing the Amel seat which is fixed with a few bolts and sealant. The latter is removed slowly with a long bladed razor knife whilst pressure is applied to separate the Amel seat. This suddenly comes free and lands on your head as you will be standing in the engine room. Locating the pedestal is simple but the light in the engine room has to be taken down to cut away the insulation to make way for a reinforcing pad of 12 mm ply underneath the pedestal.Bolt the pedestal through the pad using sealant. Refix the insulation and light and have a beer. You now have a problem as the table is homeless.This we solved with a brilliant table mount from Sweden. It costs about £100 and is very well made. It consists of an aluminium plate which we bolted on to the side of the cockpit just forward of the reinforcing web in the locker. The plate comes with two nylon wedges to make it fit vertically and a ply pad to reinforce the inside of the locker. There is then a vertical strut to fit the plate and a horizontal strut to fit that. There is another plate which is screwed to the underside of the Amel table top and this fits onto the strut. The whole thing can be turned and raised as needed. We did not put the plate in the centre of the table as this made it more adaptable. The whole thing dismantles and goes in the locker when not needed. The chart table seat requires the removal of the stool which is through bolted under the cabin sole and then removal of the wooden pad which is securely siliconed to the floor.The pad was removed carefully bit by bit by the great Christian at La Rochelle. He also provided a new thicker pad which we moved forward so that it just hid the hole which was for the stool.The pedestal was then bolted down with bolts made from studding and Dome nuts to be long enough. The cabin sole is extremely strong and needs no reinforcing underneath.The easy adjustments afforded by the gas struts mean that they are much used to work in comfort at the chart table. To be continued including supplying a fax no for the table struts. Best wishes from Malta, Anne and John
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photos of the amel
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
does anyone have new pictures of the construction of the s/m
i would love to see some new photos. fair winds, eric freedman s/m 376 Kimberlite
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dinnerware
Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
I have an Amel Sharki #123 [Unwineding]. When I purchased the boat it had
dinner plates, cups, etc. that fit into the "holder". They were thrown out. Now I am trying to replace them. However, the size of them is not "standard" here in the United States. Any idea where I can obtain replacements? Roy Duddy Law Offices 175 Route 101 Bedford, NH 03110 603-472-8500 603-472-7333 Fax rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net
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