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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Jurgen Johanssen <jurgenjohanssen@...>
 

Dimitris,
 
thank you very much for your answer.
 
Best regards
Jurgen


________________________________
From: Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@otenet.gr>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2011, 18:09
Subject: RE: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)


 
Dear Jurgen,

I was reffering to the internal parts of the bowthruster not the housing.
Sorry . The machine shop I used was in Syros and since the replacement
everything was working fine.

Dimitris

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jurgen
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dimitris Krassopoulos"
<dkra@...> wrote:

You can make all the parts in a local machine shop. You can manufacture
them
by high tensil metal without a problem and they are going to function much
better than the original parts. You should leave the plastic screws on the
propeller as a fuse if you catch a rope or plastic bag. According to
others
you can put grease instead of oil so the bowthruster is going to work more
smoothly. I know that the whole system is a weak point of the SM this one
of
the reasons that I decided to buy the Amel 54. Regarding your decision to
buy an Oyster I am sure that you are going to have much more problems with
the after sales support as the boats are manufactured in different yards
with different parts. The important thing with Amel boats of the same
generation is that they are more or less the same with same parts.



Regards



Dimitris

Hi Dimitris,
as you might have read I lost my bowthruster propeller unit into the sea. A
very nice Greek fisherman retrieved it. You mentioned that one could
fabricate all parts in steel. What about the fiberglasstube which attaches
to the thruster motor and houses the motor/propeller shaft. My tube is too
short now because it sheared off where the motor srews are. May be you can
give me some ideas.

Best regards
Jurgen Mango 'ARGO VI'

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jlm@...
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)





YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
----------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?

_____

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Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay










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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Dear Jurgen,



I was reffering to the internal parts of the bowthruster not the housing.
Sorry . The machine shop I used was in Syros and since the replacement
everything was working fine.



Dimitris



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jurgen
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)







--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dimitris Krassopoulos"
<dkra@...> wrote:

You can make all the parts in a local machine shop. You can manufacture
them
by high tensil metal without a problem and they are going to function much
better than the original parts. You should leave the plastic screws on the
propeller as a fuse if you catch a rope or plastic bag. According to
others
you can put grease instead of oil so the bowthruster is going to work more
smoothly. I know that the whole system is a weak point of the SM this one
of
the reasons that I decided to buy the Amel 54. Regarding your decision to
buy an Oyster I am sure that you are going to have much more problems with
the after sales support as the boats are manufactured in different yards
with different parts. The important thing with Amel boats of the same
generation is that they are more or less the same with same parts.



Regards



Dimitris

Hi Dimitris,
as you might have read I lost my bowthruster propeller unit into the sea. A
very nice Greek fisherman retrieved it. You mentioned that one could
fabricate all parts in steel. What about the fiberglasstube which attaches
to the thruster motor and houses the motor/propeller shaft. My tube is too
short now because it sheared off where the motor srews are. May be you can
give me some ideas.

Best regards
Jurgen Mango 'ARGO VI'

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of jlm@...
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)





YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
----------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?

_____

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Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay









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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Jurgen <jurgenjohanssen@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dimitris Krassopoulos" <dkra@...> wrote:

You can make all the parts in a local machine shop. You can manufacture them
by high tensil metal without a problem and they are going to function much
better than the original parts. You should leave the plastic screws on the
propeller as a fuse if you catch a rope or plastic bag. According to others
you can put grease instead of oil so the bowthruster is going to work more
smoothly. I know that the whole system is a weak point of the SM this one of
the reasons that I decided to buy the Amel 54. Regarding your decision to
buy an Oyster I am sure that you are going to have much more problems with
the after sales support as the boats are manufactured in different yards
with different parts. The important thing with Amel boats of the same
generation is that they are more or less the same with same parts.



Regards



Dimitris

Hi Dimitris,
as you might have read I lost my bowthruster propeller unit into the sea. A very nice Greek fisherman retrieved it. You mentioned that one could fabricate all parts in steel. What about the fiberglasstube which attaches to the thruster motor and houses the motor/propeller shaft. My tube is too short now because it sheared off where the motor srews are. May be you can give me some ideas.

Best regards
Jurgen Mango 'ARGO VI'

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlm@...
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)





YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
----------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?

_____

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To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay

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Re: Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Jurgen <jurgenjohanssen@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean-Luc" <jlm@...> wrote:

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay
Hi Jean-luc,

as I wrote recently I lost my bow thruster propeller unit alltogether into the sea (except the motor) while ankering in a Greek bay. I have written twice to Amel asking them whether they have spares.No answer up to now. So I agree the after sales service is not too good. So what are you going to do?
Good luck
Jurgen Mango 'Argo VI'


Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

J'luc,

Be careful what you wish for. You are upset now, but will likely change your tune when you change to that prestigious brand made in multiple yards without sufficient forethought in the combination of complicated systems.

I know several Oyster owners that wish that they had bought an Amel and one of them will even admit it.

A friend of ours owns a Oyster 62 and has constant problems with repairs with difficulties receiving the proper parts. His 3 refrigerator/freezers quit on him in Bonaire. The refrigerator/freezers shared a common part...I think it was the compressor, but do not remember for sure. He was without refrigeration in all 3 units for 6 weeks waiting for Oyster to get him the correct part. At that time his Oyster was about 6-8 years old.

After 30,000 miles and an almost complete circumnavigation, the bow thruster on BeBe works the same as when we bought her. We service the bow thruster every 18-24 months with new seals, new prop hub, new nylon screws and new oil.

I will also say that the bow on BeBe moves faster with the Amel bow thruster than any Oyster I have been on or been near when in operation.

I hope this helps you and good luck.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Luc MERTZ <jlm@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I agree with you if you rapidly change the direction you can loss your
propeller, so I couldn't measured the current in this case.
So to limit as possible the start current and toque at starting or by
rapidly direction change I will try to add an soft-start by adding an
start resistor. Hopping it was enough
jluc
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Le 10/10/2011 12:18, Richard03801 a écrit :

Hi all checking current draw a motor start will ALWAYS show a high
draw without put much power output due to having to start rotation.
When the thrusters is loaded (pushing water) what is the load? When
you rapidly change direction the loads on the prop and the motor go
way up. AMEL designed the unit to move the bow of a 25ton yacht. The
plastic screws are there to protect the drive package, operation of
the unit in rapid direct change will cause problems.

Regarding a brand change you may want to interview a number of owners
of boats you may be considering, you well find AMEL to still be your
best choice.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:23, "Jean-Luc" <jlm@...
<mailto:jlm%40jlmertz.fr>> wrote:

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay

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Bow Thruster,Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello JeanLuc,
Sorry to read about your problems which are most unusual, no one has ever reported any such breakages during the past nine years that this site has been running so I suspect that there must have been something unique to cause this catastrophic happening.
My last boat was an Oyster 435 built 1986 and had many defects which drove us to distraction ands we opted for the Amel and have lived happily ever after. These boats are built in a number of places and some have had all sorts of defects. Amongst these on ours were that the chainplates went through the deck and were near impossible to make waterproof and severely damaged the electronics etc as the chart table on my model was at the front of the saloon. The retiring sales director at Oyster told me that this was a design defect on that model. The toerail was bolted down every four inches and many of these allowed water to leak through so that the bilges were normally wet. The refridgerator was insulated with exfoliated mica (which used to be used for loft insulation in the UK) and having got wet via the toerail bolts shrank like wet puffed wheat to become a soggy mass at the bottom of the insulaion cavity and the deep freeze was insulated with unsealed glass foam so that it absorbed bilge water and became totally saturated and useless.The boat was much heavier than described and thus was not capable of sailing to the level suggested by its handicap for racing and so on.There are many ropes etc which made it difficult to sail shorthanded and indeed many owners of Oyster 54s and 55s have a paid crew member to help the owners sail it and to do the maintenance. When I bought my Amel the cost was around £300,000 whilst the price for an Oyster 54or was it 55 was around £900,000 without many of the extras which are standard on the Amel. In my view Oysters have a great reputation based on a brilliant PR effort. I could go on more but I won't.
I just wish you luck when you get your Oyster and hope that their build standards have improved enormously during the past twenty years. Mind you they do not have an Amel type bowthruster so that should not be a problem!

Converted we were, best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319

----- Original Message -----
From: jlm@jlmertz.fr
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)



YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
----------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :
>
> Jean-luc.
>
> Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
> while using your bow thruster?
>
> Did it happen at one time?
>
> Fair Winds
>
> Eric
>
> Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
>
> ?
>
> _____
>
> From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jean-Luc
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:23 PM
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
> corect)
>
> I broke without making a wrong action :
> - All nylon screw of the propeller,
> - The motor shaft
> - The internal parts
>
> so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
> You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
> st
>
> Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
> jluc CottonBay
>
>
>
>







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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hi all,
I agree with you if you rapidly change the direction you can loss your
propeller, so I couldn't measured the current in this case.
So to limit as possible the start current and toque at starting or by
rapidly direction change I will try to add an soft-start by adding an
start resistor. Hopping it was enough
jluc
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Le 10/10/2011 12:18, Richard03801 a écrit :

Hi all checking current draw a motor start will ALWAYS show a high
draw without put much power output due to having to start rotation.
When the thrusters is loaded (pushing water) what is the load? When
you rapidly change direction the loads on the prop and the motor go
way up. AMEL designed the unit to move the bow of a 25ton yacht. The
plastic screws are there to protect the drive package, operation of
the unit in rapid direct change will cause problems.

Regarding a brand change you may want to interview a number of owners
of boats you may be considering, you well find AMEL to still be your
best choice.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:23, "Jean-Luc" <jlm@jlmertz.fr
<mailto:jlm%40jlmertz.fr>> wrote:

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all checking current draw a motor start will ALWAYS show a high draw without put much power output due to having to start rotation. When the thrusters is loaded (pushing water) what is the load? When you rapidly change direction the loads on the prop and the motor go way up. AMEL designed the unit to move the bow of a 25ton yacht. The plastic screws are there to protect the drive package, operation of the unit in rapid direct change will cause problems.

Regarding a brand change you may want to interview a number of owners of boats you may be considering, you well find AMEL to still be your best choice.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:23, "Jean-Luc" <jlm@jlmertz.fr> wrote:

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay


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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

You can make all the parts in a local machine shop. You can manufacture them
by high tensil metal without a problem and they are going to function much
better than the original parts. You should leave the plastic screws on the
propeller as a fuse if you catch a rope or plastic bag. According to others
you can put grease instead of oil so the bowthruster is going to work more
smoothly. I know that the whole system is a weak point of the SM this one of
the reasons that I decided to buy the Amel 54. Regarding your decision to
buy an Oyster I am sure that you are going to have much more problems with
the after sales support as the boats are manufactured in different yards
with different parts. The important thing with Amel boats of the same
generation is that they are more or less the same with same parts.



Regards



Dimitris



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlm@jlmertz.fr
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)





YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
----------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?

_____

From: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
< <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jean-Luc
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:23 PM
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
< <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

YES,
The torque at starting is to height and perhaps the nominal torque,
All the pieces that brake (see photos) brook under normal condition.
Actually I am studying adding a soft start (for next year)
I am not happy with AMEL after sales they refuse to replace the parts so
Next boat will be an OYSTER .....
JLuc
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Le 09/10/2011 20:01, kimberlite a écrit :

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?

_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jean-Luc
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay

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Re: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

Jean-luc.

Do I understand correctly that all the parts listed in your email broke
while using your bow thruster?

Did it happen at one time?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

?



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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Luc
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her
corect)





I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/li
st

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay


Current in the bow truster at starting !! (link is her corect)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay


Bow Thruster : current at starting

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

I broke without making a wrong action :
- All nylon screw of the propeller,
- The motor shaft
- The internal parts

so I recently measured the current in the bowthuster: 950A! at starting.
You can see the graphics in the Photo section : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1499947610/pic/list.

Hopping it can help you anderstandsomme some problems.
jluc CottonBay


Loose wood trim on fuel tank

kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
 

I had a problem with the wood trim on the top inboard edge of the fuel tank
coming loose.

After reattaching the trim with 4200 adhesive I fashioned 2 braces of
stainless to prevent the trim from ever loosening again

They are the last photos in the Kimberlite photo file.

Fair Winds

Eric

Super Maramu 376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] AMEL 54 - Annapolis Sailboat Show

Sailing Vessel Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

Diane and Pat,



Thank you very much for you kind words about my AMEL 54 "Bozo Cinq". The
true value and quality of a boat is the condition it is in after 5 years out
in the environment. I will tell you that we have had a terrific time on the
vessel doing an Atlantic crossing, Caribbean, Trinidad, Curacao, Turks and
Caicos, Bahamas, Florida and now Chesapeake Bay. WOW, what great memories!
It now has 10,000 nautical miles under the hull. The AMEL is a very, very
easy boat to maintain. For people that want to cruise the AMEL is a terrific
vessel for the money. I have yet to run across another brand that can come
close to the quality and seaworthiness of an AMEL. Sadly, our decision to
sell, it is time that we need to move to a trawler type vessel.



Gary L. Wollenberg

Sailing Vessel "Bozo Cinq"

bozocinq@wollenberg.net





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dianexnielsen@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] AMEL 54 - Annapolis Sailboat Show






Gary,

Pat and I are in Annapolis for the Sailboat Show. We boarded lots of boats
at the show today, the Oyster, Passport, Hylas etc and then I said let's go
see the 54 Amel which was a 2 second walk from the show. We spoke to the
broker who gave us permission to board. The boat is immaculate and
absolutely beautiful. Your boat just blew all those other high end yachts
away. I walked off your boat and said, that it is the most beautiful boat in
the show, and actually should be in the show. Nothing beats the Amel. They
take your breath away. I really wish Amel would return to this show, their
presence is missed.

Diane and Pat
Anchored in from of the Naval Academy, Annapolis
sv Shenanigans #123

-----Original Message-----
From: bozo_cinq <bozocinq@wollenberg.net <mailto:bozocinq%40wollenberg.net>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:13 pm
Subject: [Amel] AMEL 54 - Annapolis Sailboat Show

If any of you are going to attend the upcoming Annapolis Sailboat show. This
is to let you know that my AMEL 54 will be on display at the Annapolis
Sailboat show October 6-10th. For photo's & specification go to
www.walczakyach.com and click on "Yachts For Sale".

Gary, AMEL 54 #44


Re: [Amel] AMEL 54 - Annapolis Sailboat Show

dianexnielsen@...
 

Gary,

Pat and I are in Annapolis for the Sailboat Show. We boarded lots of boats at the show today, the Oyster, Passport, Hylas etc and then I said let's go see the 54 Amel which was a 2 second walk from the show. We spoke to the broker who gave us permission to board. The boat is immaculate and absolutely beautiful. Your boat just blew all those other high end yachts away. I walked off your boat and said, that it is the most beautiful boat in the show, and actually should be in the show. Nothing beats the Amel. They take your breath away. I really wish Amel would return to this show, their presence is missed.

Diane and Pat
Anchored in from of the Naval Academy, Annapolis
sv Shenanigans #123

-----Original Message-----
From: bozo_cinq <bozocinq@wollenberg.net>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 5:13 pm
Subject: [Amel] AMEL 54 - Annapolis Sailboat Show




If any of you are going to attend the upcoming Annapolis Sailboat show. This is to let you know that my AMEL 54 will be on display at the Annapolis Sailboat show October 6-10th. For photo's & specification go to www.walczakyach.com and click on "Yachts For Sale".

Gary, AMEL 54 #44


Re: Mast paint

Jose Venegas
 

That is a great suggestion, Thanks

Jose
Ipanema SM278

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby" <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

I followed previous advice. one answer was a Reanult car paint number and the other,which I used,was to take the plastic cover near the base of the mast to an auto paint supplier and they will make up a computer selected copy of the colour. I was given a perfect match.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319


Re: [Amel] Frigoboat Refrigerator

Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Bill,



The colors are the new Amel standard they do not make any custom coloring as
you know.



Regards



Dimitris



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:25 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Frigoboat Refrigerator







Thanks Pat...I will await your response...please check my thoughts below:

Thanks Serge and Dimitris...and Dimitris, of course I remember you in Soros.
I wanted to ask you if the boot stripe and rub rail color was something
custom you had done. The platinum color really changes the overall
appearance of the 54. I noticed that the 55 uses this color.

My Thoughts:
I am beginning to think that there may be some moisture in the line that
freezes causing an obstruction, or possibly some other material causing an
obstruction.

I am sure the control box turns the compressor OFF with high pressure or
high heat. I wish I knew if under this circumstance where the compressor is
turned OFF for high pressure or temp by the Control Module, and assuming
that the thermostat is closed (on), if the Control Module is programmed to
turn back on without a delay. The delay is important for the pressure to
reduce before the compressor turns back on.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Diane Nielsen
<dianexnielsen@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, Pat and I are on our way sailing to Annapolis for the annual
sailboat show. I will read your email to the Frigoboat vendor when we attend
the show tomorrow.

Diane & Pat
Shenanigans
SM#123

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:08 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I am looking for advice.

The Frigoboat refrigerator cycles on/off frequently and is showing an
error code of 3 flashes which according to Frigoboat, "Indicates that the
compressor cannot start due to too high a differential pressure in the
compressor. This is a common problem where poor voltage, or breaks in the
power supply or thermostat wiring cause the controller to attempt a
compressor restart too soon after it has been stopped for some reason. It
can also be caused by a refrigerant overcharge."

I have replaced the Danfoss control box, part number #101N0210, and the
Frigaboat thermostat, Part number E250500. I replaced these at different
times and each time defrosted and removed the refrigerator. Each time I also
checked all wiring connections. Each time when I re-installed and turned on
the refrigerator, it worked fine for 2-3 days, freezing the freezer
compartment and the temperature in the refrigerator at 41 degrees
Fahrenheit. It would cycle normally for 2-3 days, then start the short cycle
and the 3 flash error code.

The closed system has never been touched with gauges or the addition of
Freon.

We are not currently where we can get expert repair service.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Northern Cyprus




Mast paint

John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

I followed previous advice. one answer was a Reanult car paint number and the other,which I used,was to take the plastic cover near the base of the mast to an auto paint supplier and they will make up a computer selected copy of the colour. I was given a perfect match.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319


Re: [Amel] Frigoboat Refrigerator

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks Pat...I will await your response...please check my thoughts below:

Thanks Serge and Dimitris...and Dimitris, of course I remember you in Soros. I wanted to ask you if the boot stripe and rub rail color was something custom you had done. The platinum color really changes the overall appearance of the 54. I noticed that the 55 uses this color.

My Thoughts:
I am beginning to think that there may be some moisture in the line that freezes causing an obstruction, or possibly some other material causing an obstruction.

I am sure the control box turns the compressor OFF with high pressure or high heat. I wish I knew if under this circumstance where the compressor is turned OFF for high pressure or temp by the Control Module, and assuming that the thermostat is closed (on), if the Control Module is programmed to turn back on without a delay. The delay is important for the pressure to reduce before the compressor turns back on.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Diane Nielsen <dianexnielsen@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, Pat and I are on our way sailing to Annapolis for the annual sailboat show. I will read your email to the Frigoboat vendor when we attend the show tomorrow.

Diane & Pat
Shenanigans
SM#123

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:08 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I am looking for advice.

The Frigoboat refrigerator cycles on/off frequently and is showing an error code of 3 flashes which according to Frigoboat, "Indicates that the compressor cannot start due to too high a differential pressure in the compressor. This is a common problem where poor voltage, or breaks in the power supply or thermostat wiring cause the controller to attempt a compressor restart too soon after it has been stopped for some reason. It can also be caused by a refrigerant overcharge."

I have replaced the Danfoss control box, part number #101N0210, and the Frigaboat thermostat, Part number E250500. I replaced these at different times and each time defrosted and removed the refrigerator. Each time I also checked all wiring connections. Each time when I re-installed and turned on the refrigerator, it worked fine for 2-3 days, freezing the freezer compartment and the temperature in the refrigerator at 41 degrees Fahrenheit. It would cycle normally for 2-3 days, then start the short cycle and the 3 flash error code.

The closed system has never been touched with gauges or the addition of Freon.

We are not currently where we can get expert repair service.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Northern Cyprus