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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator

Hanspeter Bättig <hanspeter.baettig@...>
 

Dear Gary
The official water maker supplier for AMEL is the company
"DESSALATOR"
Addresse:
Dessalator SA
67 Av. des Anemones
France-06600 Antibes
Contact: Mr. Wagner
Tel: +33 4 93 95 04 55
Fax: +33 4 93 95 04 66

I hope this infos are helpful for you
regards
Hanspeter
SY SM "Tamango 2"

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From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator


I would like to contact the technical support people of the company
that manufatures the water maker for Amel. I have e-mailed Amel with
this request but thought someone on this forum might know how to
contact that company.
Thanks, Gary Silver Amel SM #335 Liahona



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks for your reply Erick. I tried the link you suggested for
Amel's desalinator company butit came up as an unkown URL. Is there
something that I am missing?
Sincerely,
Gary Silver Amel SM #335 Liahona


-- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Erick MEJEAN" <maramu@h...>
wrote:
Here it is

dessalator@w...

Regards

Erick

----Original Message Follows----
From: amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:01:54 -0000

I would like to contact the technical support people of the company
that manufatures the water maker for Amel. I have e-mailed Amel
with
this request but thought someone on this forum might know how to
contact that company.
Thanks, Gary Silver Amel SM #335 Liahona

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Re: security Windward Islands

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I left Liahona (AM SM # 335) in Grenada from July 2002 to December
2002 at the NEW yard facility of the Spice Island Marina in Prickley
Bay on the south end of the island. I stayed aboard in the yard
while I did work for 10 days and found their security good. There
was always someone present at the yard and he had a phone to call
for help if needed. There is a lot of surge in Prickley Bay and I
would not want to leave my boat in the water there un-attended. I
felt safe in the yard and the boat seemed safe. No damage and no
theft.

From January 2003 to March 2003 we left the boat in the water in
Granada around the corner from Prickley Bay Grenada at the Secret
Harbor Marina (The Moorings base). It was well tended by a local
and we found it clean and safe when we returned. I felt safe
everywhere I went in Grenada (using common sense of course). I
would not hesitate to again leave the boat in the water at Secret
Harbor or on the hard at Spice Island Marina.

Sincerely , Gary Silver


Re: Super Maramu for Sale in Australia

koenvelleman <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, slavko_despotovic
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, koenvelleman
<no_reply@y...>
wrote:
My Super Maramu Flash IV is now for sale
She is on the hardstand in Bundaberg QLD and in perfect condition.
Hello,

is Maramu Flash IV avaliable? Or sold?

Best regards,

Slavko
Hi Slavko,

Yep Flash IV, a 1990 Super Maramu is for sale. I will be back in
Australia by the end of Jan, do some sailing till Easter and put
Flash IV on the market after Easter.
Pls let me know if interested.
Best Regards,

Koen Velleman
koenvelleman@hotmail.com


Re: Light Bulb Replacement

Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, sv_alchemy wrote:
I am seeking replacement light bulbs for the
brass cabin light in the main saloon of my Sharki. The
lamp is made by Poinsard. The bulb is a 12v 25w
bayonet type with two contact points. The base is
approximately .875" (22mm) and the bulb is approximately 1.25"
(32mm)diameter. It is about 2 5/8" high overall. Writing on the
bulb is: SPLENDOR 12V 25W AUSTRIA J4. I haven't been
able to locate such a bulb locally and would
appreciate any help. Thanks!
Did anyone get an answer to this request. I have the same need.
I also am missing the Port side main cabin aft light fitting .
Advice as to a source for one would be welcome.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator

Erick MEJEAN <maramu@...>
 

Here it is

dessalator@wanadoo.fr

Regards

Erick

----Original Message Follows----
From: amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Desalinator
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:01:54 -0000

I would like to contact the technical support people of the company
that manufatures the water maker for Amel. I have e-mailed Amel with
this request but thought someone on this forum might know how to
contact that company.
Thanks, Gary Silver Amel SM #335 Liahona

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Re: Batteries

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Regarding: "in the case of Sealed batteries (like the original Amel
Delphi/Delco batteries), voltage after you finish charging. "

Hi Roy:

I have the original Amel supplied sealed batteries. My monitor will
show 100% after charging but I haven't really paid attention to the
voltage after charging. What should it be when the batteries are
fully charged?

Thanks, Gary Silver SM #335 Liahona


Amel Desalinator

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I would like to contact the technical support people of the company
that manufatures the water maker for Amel. I have e-mailed Amel with
this request but thought someone on this forum might know how to
contact that company.
Thanks, Gary Silver Amel SM #335 Liahona


Re: Batteries

rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Ian & Judy,
I think I can help you sort out your battery questions, but please
tell me first: what brand and model batteries do you have installed,
and what battery monitor do you have? Also, what brand and size
battery chargers do you have? And, do the battery chargers have an
equalization cycle?
Some battery monitors are programmed to show a % charge number
based on an assumed recharge efficiency. That is, to replace 100 amp-
hrs into batteries, you will need to generate 130 or 140 or 150 amp-
hrs, depending on the program that is in the battery monitor. A more
accurate measure of battery charge is Specific Gravity of the battery
acid, or in the case of Sealed batteries (like the original Amel
Delphi/Delco batteries), voltage after you finish charging.
Let me know what you have, and I will let you know what I think
based on 21 years experience with Amel batteries!!
Best regards, and Feliz Navidad,
Roy Benveniste
SM Excalibur #195


Re: Batteries

jjwiggin02 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian & Judy Jenkins"
<ianjudyjenkins@h...> wrote:
On our SM, 302, June 2000 launch, now lived aboard for 18 months,we
find
that at sea we run the genset about every six hours for an hour to
an hour
and a half on each occasion. Less when at anchor without autohelm,
nav
lights radar etc.Our first batteries ( we have 420 amps) lasted two
years,
since when I tend to recharge when we are down to 90% ( We found
that the
fridge cut out somewhere below 87% notwithstanding the fact that we
still
had 24v).
I find that the recharge quickly up to 99% but that those last few
amps,say the last 7, take for ever.
Does anyone know how important it is to always recharge to 100%?
The one thing I would suggest when running the genset is to check
that the
220v fan is working ( put your hand over the outlet in the cockpit
coaming.
) Ours failed in the Caribean and the extra heat in the engine room
was
appparently the reason why our 50 amp charger failed after 3 years,
to be
followed by the 30 amp one ten weeks later.This, despite the fact
that both
chargers have heat cut outs.The first failed in Guadeloupe and was
beyond
the knowledge of Pochon for a speedy repair.but both were repaired
by Manuel
in Ecuador ( thank God for the third world--they still know how to
fix
things there).He said he had never seen anything so hi tech and
powerful in
such a small box--the last time he saw such a powerful gadget it was
the
size and weight of his mother in law!
The cost of a new 220v fan ,one new 50 amp and two repairs was
unwelcome,
and I don`t understand the need for the 220v fan. The two 24v fans
are much
more powerful,give you an element of redundancy, much cheaper and
can be
sourced anywhere.Is there a good reason why they could not be wired
up to
come on with the genset just as they come on with the Volvo/Yanmar?
Ian. Pen
Azen
Azen,

If you are trying to charge to 100% you will be running your genset
far more than necessary. Conventional wisdom is that it is bad for
the batteries to go below 50% and that above 80% further recharging
becomes increasingly less cost-effective. Therefor an optimal program
would be to dischage to 50% and re charge to only 80%. Crossing the
Atlantic 19 days with 6 people, radar on most of the time,
transmitting daily on SSB, two refrigerators and a freezer, we ran it
for 1 to 1 1/2 hours twice a day.

Hope this helps,

Jim Wiggin, ANTARES, Amel SM
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

Ian,
The last few amps in the bank are not important and take a lot of
generator time to put in.
I usually look at the volt/amp meter and when the amps go below 25 or so
I turn off the generator.
You could remove the 220 volt fan and install a 220 volt relay and when
the genset goes on the relay would close and the fan will go on.
Feliz navidad,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins [mailto:ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries

On our SM, 302, June 2000 launch, now lived aboard for 18 months,we
find
that at sea we run the genset about every six hours for an hour to an
hour
and a half on each occasion. Less when at anchor without autohelm, nav
lights radar etc.Our first batteries ( we have 420 amps) lasted two
years,
since when I tend to recharge when we are down to 90% ( We found that
the
fridge cut out somewhere below 87% notwithstanding the fact that we
still
had 24v).
I find that the recharge quickly up to 99% but that those last few
amps,say the last 7, take for ever.
Does anyone know how important it is to always recharge to 100%?
The one thing I would suggest when running the genset is to check that
the
220v fan is working ( put your hand over the outlet in the cockpit
coaming.
) Ours failed in the Caribean and the extra heat in the engine room was
appparently the reason why our 50 amp charger failed after 3 years, to
be
followed by the 30 amp one ten weeks later.This, despite the fact that
both
chargers have heat cut outs.The first failed in Guadeloupe and was
beyond
the knowledge of Pochon for a speedy repair.but both were repaired by
Manuel
in Ecuador ( thank God for the third world--they still know how to fix
things there).He said he had never seen anything so hi tech and
powerful in
such a small box--the last time he saw such a powerful gadget it was the

size and weight of his mother in law!
The cost of a new 220v fan ,one new 50 amp and two repairs was
unwelcome,
and I don`t understand the need for the 220v fan. The two 24v fans are
much
more powerful,give you an element of redundancy, much cheaper and can be

sourced anywhere.Is there a good reason why they could not be wired up
to
come on with the genset just as they come on with the Volvo/Yanmar? Ian.
Pen
Azen

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Batteries

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

On our SM, 302, June 2000 launch, now lived aboard for 18 months,we find that at sea we run the genset about every six hours for an hour to an hour and a half on each occasion. Less when at anchor without autohelm, nav lights radar etc.Our first batteries ( we have 420 amps) lasted two years, since when I tend to recharge when we are down to 90% ( We found that the fridge cut out somewhere below 87% notwithstanding the fact that we still had 24v).
I find that the recharge quickly up to 99% but that those last few amps,say the last 7, take for ever.
Does anyone know how important it is to always recharge to 100%?
The one thing I would suggest when running the genset is to check that the 220v fan is working ( put your hand over the outlet in the cockpit coaming. ) Ours failed in the Caribean and the extra heat in the engine room was appparently the reason why our 50 amp charger failed after 3 years, to be followed by the 30 amp one ten weeks later.This, despite the fact that both chargers have heat cut outs.The first failed in Guadeloupe and was beyond the knowledge of Pochon for a speedy repair.but both were repaired by Manuel in Ecuador ( thank God for the third world--they still know how to fix things there).He said he had never seen anything so hi tech and powerful in such a small box--the last time he saw such a powerful gadget it was the size and weight of his mother in law!
The cost of a new 220v fan ,one new 50 amp and two repairs was unwelcome, and I don`t understand the need for the 220v fan. The two 24v fans are much more powerful,give you an element of redundancy, much cheaper and can be sourced anywhere.Is there a good reason why they could not be wired up to come on with the genset just as they come on with the Volvo/Yanmar? Ian. Pen Azen

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] espar heater

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Eric,

sounds like you are most of the way there if you have the ducting already in place. I guess you have the stainless pipe through the aft heads too? It makes for a good towel heater. The fuel piping is routed down the engine room rear bulkhead and is T'd into the outlet from the Racor filter. On later boats, the Espar intake pipe is molded through the rear of the port side seat locker into the rope box. You lose a small amount of storage space in the locker, but the overall gain is a better looking cockpit and no worries about not opening the intake flap before starting the heater. There is also less risk of sea water getting down the intake too if you use it underway.

I shall be fitting a carbon monoxide detector soon. I believe that they are available for about $50 from Wal-Mart in Canada, and of a good design. A friend of mine is bringing me one back. He is a GA pilot and has fitted these units into several aircraft. Once I know the make and model number, I will circulate it here.

I am not sure when I will get back sailing. Yes I was on my way from Newfoundland south to Panama but I have suffered a major setback (again). I won't go into details on here for the moment, but if you send me your email address to g4ljf@winlink.org I will update you on my sailing plans.

Cheers

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] espar heater

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Ian,
Thanks for the note. I thought you were on your way to Chile.
I had Amel install the fresh air system and the fan is in the location
of your heater in the port locker.
So I have the necessary ductwork. I have my air intake above the seat.
If anyone has the heater with the intake in the rope locker I would love
to see some photos.
When do you get back to the boat?
Fair winds,
Eric

When you are back on board can you send me some photos and also photos
of the diesel plumbing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@compuserve.com]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] espar heater

Hi Eric,

I can't tell you the BTU output as I am in Cyprus at the moment, but the
unit is mounted in the port side cockpit up and under the horizontal
part upon which the winches are mounted. So you don't see it, and it
does not rob you of any useful storage space, though caution is needed
as it can get hot.

Later boats have the air intake in the rope box in front of the mizzen.
Earlier boats have a flap in the cockpit sidewall above the seat. This
was a pain as it is easy to forget to open it before firing the Espar
up. The result was overheating and an automatic shutdown.

To retrofit one of these units may prove very difficult when it comes to
installing the ducting around the boat. I remember that Amel specified a
deadline by which I had to specify a diesel heater during construction.
I am glad that I chose it. It was worth it's weight in gold whilst in
Greenland and Labrador.

Good luck

Ian

SM2000 "Crusader"







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] espar heater

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Eric,

I can't tell you the BTU output as I am in Cyprus at the moment, but the unit is mounted in the port side cockpit up and under the horizontal part upon which the winches are mounted. So you don't see it, and it does not rob you of any useful storage space, though caution is needed as it can get hot.

Later boats have the air intake in the rope box in front of the mizzen. Earlier boats have a flap in the cockpit sidewall above the seat. This was a pain as it is easy to forget to open it before firing the Espar up. The result was overheating and an automatic shutdown.

To retrofit one of these units may prove very difficult when it comes to installing the ducting around the boat. I remember that Amel specified a deadline by which I had to specify a diesel heater during construction. I am glad that I chose it. It was worth it's weight in gold whilst in Greenland and Labrador.

Good luck

Ian

SM2000 "Crusader"


Trip 2003

r.zurkirchen
 

Hi all,
we , Rita and Rudy , SM # 407 had a super trip and
have documented it on
our site " < <http://www.sam-yacht.ch/> http://www.sam-yacht.ch/>
www.sam-yacht.ch" in Ggerman language. If interested how a SM stays in
50 kn
Wind and what bad surprise you can get in south of Italy ..
Have fun
Rudy and Rita on SAMANTHA


Re: Super Maramu for Sale in Australia

slavko_despotovic <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, koenvelleman <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
My Super Maramu Flash IV is now for sale
She is on the hardstand in Bundaberg QLD and in perfect condition.
Hello,

is Maramu Flash IV avaliable? Or sold?

Best regards,

Slavko


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting 110 volts to 220 volts

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Bob,
If the power post on the dock has two 30 amp 120 volt outlets it most
likely has a 240 volt outlet that takes a 50 amp plug as I described.
Just return the cord and “y” adapter and get a 50 amp plug. You can go
to home depot and get wire that will work to extend your power cord.
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: rossirossix4 [mailto:equinoxsolstice@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting 110 volts to 220 volts

My posting earlier may not have been clear. My boat, a 1993
Santorin, is presently in the Annapolis area and I am needing to
provide 220 volts (which my Santorin is wired for) from the 110
volts that is available in the USA. Presently I'm using a small
transformer to provide 220 to the boat via its 220 cord. The
transformer works well but is very limited in terms of its power
output. (The transformer is fused at 8 amps, 110 volts).

I've purchased a Marinco "reverse Y" at the suggestion of Joel
Potter when we talked together at the Annapolis Boat Show.
The "reverse Y" is capable of supplying 220 with more amperage than
the transformer, but I have couple of questions. The boat has a 220
cord in its lazarette with a French? three pronged male fitting on
the end using three round contacts in a "v" arrangement. Does any
one have any recommendations for how to mate it with the "reverse Y"
female plug?

Also, the 220 volt cord in the lazarette is not very long. I
already have one 50' 110v Marinco cord. It seems to make sense to
just buy another matching cord and connect the "reverse y" closer to
the boat or even in the lazarette at the end of two 110 cords
(rather than plugging the "reverse Y" into the two 110 30 amp plugs
that the marina supplies). Feeding two 110 cords into the secured
lazarette might also prevent the expensive "reverse y' from
disappearing. Does anyone have any advice on this?

I've been told that ABYC standards require a breaker within just
a few feet of where AC power enters the boat. Mine doesn't go
through a breaker until it gets to the GFI breaker in my galley
panel. I am aware of the boat's conformance with CE standards, but
my insurance company likes ABYC, and the idea of a breaker BEFORE
the cord enters the conduit from the lazarette makes sense to me.
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks again, Bob Santorin "Hanalei"




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Converting 110 volts to 220 volts

rossirossix4 <equinoxsolstice@...>
 

My posting earlier may not have been clear. My boat, a 1993
Santorin, is presently in the Annapolis area and I am needing to
provide 220 volts (which my Santorin is wired for) from the 110
volts that is available in the USA. Presently I'm using a small
transformer to provide 220 to the boat via its 220 cord. The
transformer works well but is very limited in terms of its power
output. (The transformer is fused at 8 amps, 110 volts).

I've purchased a Marinco "reverse Y" at the suggestion of Joel
Potter when we talked together at the Annapolis Boat Show.
The "reverse Y" is capable of supplying 220 with more amperage than
the transformer, but I have couple of questions. The boat has a 220
cord in its lazarette with a French? three pronged male fitting on
the end using three round contacts in a "v" arrangement. Does any
one have any recommendations for how to mate it with the "reverse Y"
female plug?

Also, the 220 volt cord in the lazarette is not very long. I
already have one 50' 110v Marinco cord. It seems to make sense to
just buy another matching cord and connect the "reverse y" closer to
the boat or even in the lazarette at the end of two 110 cords
(rather than plugging the "reverse Y" into the two 110 30 amp plugs
that the marina supplies). Feeding two 110 cords into the secured
lazarette might also prevent the expensive "reverse y' from
disappearing. Does anyone have any advice on this?

I've been told that ABYC standards require a breaker within just
a few feet of where AC power enters the boat. Mine doesn't go
through a breaker until it gets to the GFI breaker in my galley
panel. I am aware of the boat's conformance with CE standards, but
my insurance company likes ABYC, and the idea of a breaker BEFORE
the cord enters the conduit from the lazarette makes sense to me.
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks again, Bob Santorin "Hanalei"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 220Volt Power

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Gary,
That is correct.
That is the way I wired Kimberlite.
Please note that he USA white and green are at the same potential. If
you happen to check the voltage (when plugged into a 220 volt USA
configuration) the voltage between the green and either hot leg you will
find 110 volts.
Just to prevent plugging into some weird power pedestals I installed a
power monitor.
It consists of an ammeter, a voltmeter, a frequency meter, and a circuit
breaker.
I measure what is coming into the boat and if it is satisfactory, I flip
the breaker and let the current run into the Amel ac panel.

Fair Winds,
Eric
S/m 376

-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 220Volt Power

RE the color codes wires posting earlier:
I have been watching these postings and studying the differences
between USA and European power for some time. I had some questions
about this posting and would like to state my understanding and have
those in the know do a reality check for me. ( NOTE that this
discussion doesn't consider the difference in frequency of the
two
types of power, i.e. 60 Hertz in the USA and 50 Hertz for European
power or the differences in European grounding practices as compared
to the USA. )

Lets start with what I have. The 220 Volt AC cord that comes from
my Amel SM 2000 (Hull # 335) has three wires in it. Alivier
Beauteau told me that it was rated at 30 Amperes at 220 Volts AC.
The color coding is based on the latest European color code and is
as follows:

1. Brown = European Hot
2. Blue = European Neutral
3. Green with Yellow Stripe = European Grounding (or
Safety Ground)

USA 220 Volt AC typically has 4 wires with color codes as follows:

1. Red = USA Hot
2. Black = USA Hot
3. White = USA Neutral for 110 volt
circuits only
4. Green = USA Grounding (of Safety
Ground)

NOW, as you measure Voltage AC (RMS = root mean square voltage,
which is what your digital volt meter more or less shows you)
between the following points you will get the following readings:

EUROPEAN: Between the Brown and Blue Reads 220 Volts AC
Between the Blue and the Green with Yellow Stripe
Reads Zero Volts AC
Between the Brown and the Green with Yellow Stripe
Reads 220 Volts AC


USA: Between the Red and Black Reads 220 Volts AC
Between the Red and White Reads 110 Volts AC
Between the Black and White Reads 110 Volts AC
Between the White and Green Reads Zero Volts AC

When wiring the Amel 220 Volt AC cable from the boat to USA
power the following should be done:

a. The Amel Brown Wire (European Hot) should go to either the
USA Red or Black wire
b. The Amel Blue Wire (European Neutral) should go to the USA
Red or Black wire (whichever the Amel Brown wire isn't connected
to. My understanding, and please somebody correct me if I am wrong,
is that the polarity of these two connections (red and/or black to
blue and/or brown makes no difference).
Finally the Amel Green with Yellow Stripe wire should go to the USA
Green wire.
The USA white wire has nothing connected to it from the European
cable.

The given appliance or load doesn't care about polarity since it
is
alternating current (AC). All the load cares about is that there is
an EMF (ElectroMotive Force) of 220 Volts pushing the electrons back
and forth in the wires of the load (e.g. the lamp, motor etc.) Again
this discussion doesn't take into consideration the frequency
with
which the electrons are moved back and forth (Hertz). If I
understand it correctly the naming of the wires (Hot, Neutral etc is
somewhat arbitrary) and hence confusing at times.

So there you have it, the distillation of my many sources. I have
an electronics background but there we deal mostly with DC voltage
and theory. I have approached two commercial electricians here in
the USA to verify the differences between USA and European power and
they both stammered and stuttered until I had basically no
confidence in their confused explanations. I haven't tried
wiring
up my Amel to this standard yet so if someone else would try it out
and let me know if anything smokes I can then refine the theory
further. Please, your comments and criticisms are welcome.

Sincerely, Gary Silver s/v Liahona currently in Tortola at
Nanny Cay






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