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Solar Panels, etc.

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duncan,

In my former life I was CFO for a NASDAQ company, so I tend to solve many problems involving spending money with too much financial analysis. So, you can understand that I built a excel financial model entitled "Solar Panel Breakeven Analysis on an Amel Super Maramu."

The short story is that since you already own a diesel generator the breakeven for 4 rail-mounted solar panels is 5 years, with the addition of an arch costing about $3,500 (probably on the low side of the cost of an arch) the breakeven is 10 years. This financial model includes depreciation, maintenance, and, of course, fuel costs.

Adding an arch to the back of your Amel, may limit stern-to docking and may add more weight to the stern than you want.

I decided to buy diesel and maintain what I have on BeBe.

The best advice I can give you is to live aboard your Amel for at least 6 months, maybe a year before you start changing things. If you take this advice, I am sure to get a nice card from you in about a year.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k. #387
Currently N Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Hagemeyer" <wdhagemeyer@...> wrote:

Hi Bill and Richard,



Thanks for the debate. I am learning a critical component of operations. I know little or nothing about the electrical systems.



1. I think that it is highly probable that I will not be on shore power very often in the Caribbean. I prefer to be on a mooring/hook and I like the idea of using the gen to make power when necessary. My old Freedom had an large communications and dingy davit. I have noted that I never see this addition to the Amel54’s. When I was boat shopping one of my top items on the wish list was enough solar panels to charge the systems.

2. I agree with Bill’s point that if the alternative is to buy a ‘world’ appliance that seems like a simple fix.

3. I agree that Richard does have a point. Keeping the batteries safe and charged is a top critical issue.



This brings me to an ‘off subject� question. Does anyone in the group have a design for a functional arch system. I ask this primarily because I really do wish to carry a larger dingy. One with a center cockpit and big enough to explore islands and run well in the chop. (dryer and safer) It appears to me from all the boats I reviewed in the purchase process carried 10-12’ dinks with small motors. I presume that was to be able to deflate and stow in the large aft locker when in passages. Also, small is probably better in Europe.



My thinking is if I can find a place to add solar â€" sufficient to charge the batteries â€" I can buy the appliances and carry the dink I want and not be forced to buy shore power or sit at a crowded dock.



Any davit ideas?



Richard and Bill, thanks for weighing in on one of my critical issues.



Duncan



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Piller
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US





Hi Bill thanks for the input. You are of course you are correct in that outside the US the 220/50 is all you need. On our first Amel based here in the States and Caribbean we found we needed 110/60 as all of our local electrical appliances required that voltage supply. There are a number parts to my recommendation;
1- the 110/60 inverter runs all of the boat items that need that voltage. (24v to 110/60)

2- we can plug in anyplace in and have the batteries charged, smart charger will accept 90 to 260 volts 50 or 60 cycles using the right plug ends.

(by using a smart 100 amp charger we were able to remove the 30 amp 220 volt unit supplied by Amel there by elemminating the risk of it being overloaded and cooking the batteries when shore power is applied to low charged batteries. We have seen examples of the 30 amp charge failing and cooking the house batteries.)

3- when we need 220/50 to run the appliances on the boat that are 220/50 we can start the gen set.

There are lots of ways to skin the cat, we simply find that using the one we suggested ends all the concerns and hassle of the worlds power grid.
Looking in forward to getting back out there.
Regards from SM 209 for sale in Annapolis
Richard Piller
603 767 5330

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


Richard, Duncan, et al,

I am not sold on the 110v conversion. You should check the number of the places in the world that provide 110v 60htz. You will find that the US and a few other places are the only places that have this voltage, while the rest of the world is 230v 50htz. Rather than doing this 110v 60htz inverter, think seriously about adding a 24 to 230v 50htz inverter assuming that you do not already have an Amel-installed 230v 50htz inverter. Then when in St. Martin, Martinique and many other Caribbean islands buy all of the 230v appliances that you need. Also, you will find that almost all of your electronic gear will accept 110 - 240 volts AC 50-60 hertz...all you need to use these is a plug adapter.

If you follow the above suggestion, your Amel will be equipped for worldwide cruising. Also, remember, if worldwide cruising is not in your plans, it will likely be in the plans of a significant number of people who may want to buy your Amel when you are ready to sell her. Be careful not to do something now that you will regret then.

Amel wires the inverter in a separate circuit outside of the AC panel, with no connection between the inverter and the panel. The inverter does not go through the same breakers...there are a number of benefits with this...if you do not know, ask an experienced marine electrician. If you want to know more about the wiring scheme and location of the 230v receptacles done by Amel on a Super Maramu, write me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Solar Panels, etc.

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Bill,



Did you buy Heating Oil (diesel) or RBOB (blended gas) as a hedge against global petroleum price increases???



My dad was the treasurer of a company and a CPA, he tried to teach me an ancient form of spreadsheets. I respect your work and opinion.



Does you analysis include the evaluation of the high priced electricity at the dock?



With all respect to Richard, I think I will take your advice with regard to the energy component. Buy some spare parts for the Gen Set and read the manual. I do hope to solve the dingy issue. Maybe I just tow and go slow while in the Caribbean. If I move on to global ports then I might downsize. I have spent years in the Caribbean and dream of heading into the Pacific. There is another pull and that is to come to Europe. After 6 months, things will become clear for the next sailing season.



Share some of your experience in Cyprus. (my direct email is wdhagemeyer at gmail.com



Thanks,



Duncan



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Solar Panels, etc.





Duncan,

In my former life I was CFO for a NASDAQ company, so I tend to solve many problems involving spending money with too much financial analysis. So, you can understand that I built a excel financial model entitled "Solar Panel Breakeven Analysis on an Amel Super Maramu."

The short story is that since you already own a diesel generator the breakeven for 4 rail-mounted solar panels is 5 years, with the addition of an arch costing about $3,500 (probably on the low side of the cost of an arch) the breakeven is 10 years. This financial model includes depreciation, maintenance, and, of course, fuel costs.

Adding an arch to the back of your Amel, may limit stern-to docking and may add more weight to the stern than you want.

I decided to buy diesel and maintain what I have on BeBe.

The best advice I can give you is to live aboard your Amel for at least 6 months, maybe a year before you start changing things. If you take this advice, I am sure to get a nice card from you in about a year.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k. #387
Currently N Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Duncan Hagemeyer" <wdhagemeyer@...> wrote:

Hi Bill and Richard,



Thanks for the debate. I am learning a critical component of operations. I know little or nothing about the electrical systems.



1. I think that it is highly probable that I will not be on shore power very often in the Caribbean. I prefer to be on a mooring/hook and I like the idea of using the gen to make power when necessary. My old Freedom had an large communications and dingy davit. I have noted that I never see this addition to the Amel54’s. When I was boat shopping one of my top items on the wish list was enough solar panels to charge the systems.

2. I agree with Bill’s point that if the alternative is to buy a ‘world’ appliance that seems like a simple fix.

3. I agree that Richard does have a point. Keeping the batteries safe and charged is a top critical issue.



This brings me to an ‘off subject” question. Does anyone in the group have a design for a functional arch system. I ask this primarily because I really do wish to carry a larger dingy. One with a center cockpit and big enough to explore islands and run well in the chop. (dryer and safer) It appears to me from all the boats I reviewed in the purchase process carried 10-12’ dinks with small motors. I presume that was to be able to deflate and stow in the large aft locker when in passages. Also, small is probably better in Europe.



My thinking is if I can find a place to add solar â€" sufficient to charge the batteries â€" I can buy the appliances and carry the dink I want and not be forced to buy shore power or sit at a crowded dock.



Any davit ideas?



Richard and Bill, thanks for weighing in on one of my critical issues.



Duncan



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Richard Piller
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US





Hi Bill thanks for the input. You are of course you are correct in that outside the US the 220/50 is all you need. On our first Amel based here in the States and Caribbean we found we needed 110/60 as all of our local electrical appliances required that voltage supply. There are a number parts to my recommendation;
1- the 110/60 inverter runs all of the boat items that need that voltage. (24v to 110/60)

2- we can plug in anyplace in and have the batteries charged, smart charger will accept 90 to 260 volts 50 or 60 cycles using the right plug ends.

(by using a smart 100 amp charger we were able to remove the 30 amp 220 volt unit supplied by Amel there by elemminating the risk of it being overloaded and cooking the batteries when shore power is applied to low charged batteries. We have seen examples of the 30 amp charge failing and cooking the house batteries.)

3- when we need 220/50 to run the appliances on the boat that are 220/50 we can start the gen set.

There are lots of ways to skin the cat, we simply find that using the one we suggested ends all the concerns and hassle of the worlds power grid.
Looking in forward to getting back out there.
Regards from SM 209 for sale in Annapolis
Richard Piller
603 767 5330

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...%20%3cmailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


Richard, Duncan, et al,

I am not sold on the 110v conversion. You should check the number of the places in the world that provide 110v 60htz. You will find that the US and a few other places are the only places that have this voltage, while the rest of the world is 230v 50htz. Rather than doing this 110v 60htz inverter, think seriously about adding a 24 to 230v 50htz inverter assuming that you do not already have an Amel-installed 230v 50htz inverter. Then when in St. Martin, Martinique and many other Caribbean islands buy all of the 230v appliances that you need. Also, you will find that almost all of your electronic gear will accept 110 - 240 volts AC 50-60 hertz...all you need to use these is a plug adapter.

If you follow the above suggestion, your Amel will be equipped for worldwide cruising. Also, remember, if worldwide cruising is not in your plans, it will likely be in the plans of a significant number of people who may want to buy your Amel when you are ready to sell her. Be careful not to do something now that you will regret then.

Amel wires the inverter in a separate circuit outside of the AC panel, with no connection between the inverter and the panel. The inverter does not go through the same breakers...there are a number of benefits with this...if you do not know, ask an experienced marine electrician. If you want to know more about the wiring scheme and location of the 230v receptacles done by Amel on a Super Maramu, write me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Hi Bill and Richard,



Thanks for the debate. I am learning a critical component of operations. I know little or nothing about the electrical systems.



1. I think that it is highly probable that I will not be on shore power very often in the Caribbean. I prefer to be on a mooring/hook and I like the idea of using the gen to make power when necessary. My old Freedom had an large communications and dingy davit. I have noted that I never see this addition to the Amel54’s. When I was boat shopping one of my top items on the wish list was enough solar panels to charge the systems.

2. I agree with Bill’s point that if the alternative is to buy a ‘world’ appliance that seems like a simple fix.

3. I agree that Richard does have a point. Keeping the batteries safe and charged is a top critical issue.



This brings me to an ‘off subject” question. Does anyone in the group have a design for a functional arch system. I ask this primarily because I really do wish to carry a larger dingy. One with a center cockpit and big enough to explore islands and run well in the chop. (dryer and safer) It appears to me from all the boats I reviewed in the purchase process carried 10-12’ dinks with small motors. I presume that was to be able to deflate and stow in the large aft locker when in passages. Also, small is probably better in Europe.



My thinking is if I can find a place to add solar – sufficient to charge the batteries – I can buy the appliances and carry the dink I want and not be forced to buy shore power or sit at a crowded dock.



Any davit ideas?



Richard and Bill, thanks for weighing in on one of my critical issues.



Duncan



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Piller
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US





Hi Bill thanks for the input. You are of course you are correct in that outside the US the 220/50 is all you need. On our first Amel based here in the States and Caribbean we found we needed 110/60 as all of our local electrical appliances required that voltage supply. There are a number parts to my recommendation;
1- the 110/60 inverter runs all of the boat items that need that voltage. (24v to 110/60)

2- we can plug in anyplace in and have the batteries charged, smart charger will accept 90 to 260 volts 50 or 60 cycles using the right plug ends.

(by using a smart 100 amp charger we were able to remove the 30 amp 220 volt unit supplied by Amel there by elemminating the risk of it being overloaded and cooking the batteries when shore power is applied to low charged batteries. We have seen examples of the 30 amp charge failing and cooking the house batteries.)

3- when we need 220/50 to run the appliances on the boat that are 220/50 we can start the gen set.

There are lots of ways to skin the cat, we simply find that using the one we suggested ends all the concerns and hassle of the worlds power grid.
Looking in forward to getting back out there.
Regards from SM 209 for sale in Annapolis
Richard Piller
603 767 5330

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


Richard, Duncan, et al,

I am not sold on the 110v conversion. You should check the number of the places in the world that provide 110v 60htz. You will find that the US and a few other places are the only places that have this voltage, while the rest of the world is 230v 50htz. Rather than doing this 110v 60htz inverter, think seriously about adding a 24 to 230v 50htz inverter assuming that you do not already have an Amel-installed 230v 50htz inverter. Then when in St. Martin, Martinique and many other Caribbean islands buy all of the 230v appliances that you need. Also, you will find that almost all of your electronic gear will accept 110 - 240 volts AC 50-60 hertz...all you need to use these is a plug adapter.

If you follow the above suggestion, your Amel will be equipped for worldwide cruising. Also, remember, if worldwide cruising is not in your plans, it will likely be in the plans of a significant number of people who may want to buy your Amel when you are ready to sell her. Be careful not to do something now that you will regret then.

Amel wires the inverter in a separate circuit outside of the AC panel, with no connection between the inverter and the panel. The inverter does not go through the same breakers...there are a number of benefits with this...if you do not know, ask an experienced marine electrician. If you want to know more about the wiring scheme and location of the 230v receptacles done by Amel on a Super Maramu, write me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@...> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Bill thanks for the input.  You are of course you are correct in that outside the US the 220/50 is all you need.  On our first Amel based here in the States and Caribbean we found we needed 110/60 as all of our local electrical appliances required that voltage supply. There are a number parts to my recommendation;
1- the 110/60 inverter runs all of the boat items that need that voltage. (24v to 110/60)

2- we can plug in anyplace in and have the batteries charged, smart charger will accept 90 to 260 volts 50 or 60 cycles using the right plug ends.

    (by using a smart 100 amp charger we were able to remove the 30 amp 220 volt unit supplied by Amel there by elemminating the risk of it being overloaded and cooking the batteries when shore power is applied to low charged batteries.  We have seen examples of the 30 amp charge failing and cooking the house batteries.)

3- when we need 220/50 to run the appliances on the boat that are 220/50 we can start the gen set.


There are lots of ways to skin the cat, we simply find that using the one we suggested ends all the concerns and hassle of the worlds power grid.
Looking in forward to getting back out there.
Regards from SM 209 for sale in Annapolis
Richard Piller
603 767 5330


________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


 
Richard, Duncan, et al,

I am not sold on the 110v conversion. You should check the number of the places in the world that provide 110v 60htz. You will find that the US and a few other places are the only places that have this voltage, while the rest of the world is 230v 50htz. Rather than doing this 110v 60htz inverter, think seriously about adding a 24 to 230v 50htz inverter assuming that you do not already have an Amel-installed 230v 50htz inverter. Then when in St. Martin, Martinique and many other Caribbean islands buy all of the 230v appliances that you need. Also, you will find that almost all of your electronic gear will accept 110 - 240 volts AC 50-60 hertz...all you need to use these is a plug adapter.

If you follow the above suggestion, your Amel will be equipped for worldwide cruising. Also, remember, if worldwide cruising is not in your plans, it will likely be in the plans of a significant number of people who may want to buy your Amel when you are ready to sell her. Be careful not to do something now that you will regret then.

Amel wires the inverter in a separate circuit outside of the AC panel, with no connection between the inverter and the panel. The inverter does not go through the same breakers...there are a number of benefits with this...if you do not know, ask an experienced marine electrician. If you want to know more about the wiring scheme and location of the 230v receptacles done by Amel on a Super Maramu, write me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@...> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Richard, Duncan, et al,

I am not sold on the 110v conversion. You should check the number of the places in the world that provide 110v 60htz. You will find that the US and a few other places are the only places that have this voltage, while the rest of the world is 230v 50htz. Rather than doing this 110v 60htz inverter, think seriously about adding a 24 to 230v 50htz inverter assuming that you do not already have an Amel-installed 230v 50htz inverter. Then when in St. Martin, Martinique and many other Caribbean islands buy all of the 230v appliances that you need. Also, you will find that almost all of your electronic gear will accept 110 - 240 volts AC 50-60 hertz...all you need to use these is a plug adapter.

If you follow the above suggestion, your Amel will be equipped for worldwide cruising. Also, remember, if worldwide cruising is not in your plans, it will likely be in the plans of a significant number of people who may want to buy your Amel when you are ready to sell her. Be careful not to do something now that you will regret then.

Amel wires the inverter in a separate circuit outside of the AC panel, with no connection between the inverter and the panel. The inverter does not go through the same breakers...there are a number of benefits with this...if you do not know, ask an experienced marine electrician. If you want to know more about the wiring scheme and location of the 230v receptacles done by Amel on a Super Maramu, write me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@...> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy











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Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Duncan we removed the entire Amel charging system and installed a 100 dolphin smart charger. You can get them from Budget the in Jolly Harbor or shipped in from the imported in Florida or from Defender in Ct. We then installer a 24 to 110 inverter hard wired to a breaker panel from it we ran 110 (600 volt wire) to ground fault plugs all over the boat using the standard Amel wireways. We can now plug in to most any dock in the world and charge the batteries. Then use your USA stuff at will. Your 220 stuff will generally work so long as there are no timers like the washers and dryer they tend to dislike 60 cycle. Give me a call if you have questions. The above system has work without issue on both my AMELs and a few I've worked on. Smart chargers are the way to go in today's world.

Regards SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 10, 2011, at 13:20, Duncan Hagemeyer <wdhagemeyer@gmail.com> wrote:

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Richard,

You suggested that I convert my electrical system to a broad range (?80-280?) charger. The boat is in the process of being checked by an electrical service company in Antigua and this would be a good time to address the issue. Can you suggest a manufacturer, etc.?

Duncan
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service. It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service. There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis and in Newport RI from May to November. They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale

________________________________
From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy. He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.

I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake. Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out. He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply. We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard. I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats. I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.

Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Hi Bozo Cinq,

Now that I know how to contact you, I want to thank you for your offer to take a sail with you at Annapolis. Chris spoke so very highly of your boat. I am sure she is a beauty. As you may have read I am closing on Reborn V down in Antigua. She has/had some problems which I feel will be fixed in the next month or so, but she is in the right spot for me to start my Amel journey. If you head far enough south be sure to contact me. I would love to buy you a sundowner.

Duncan
Dreamtime II

On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:25 AM, bozo_cinq wrote:

I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate 7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft. Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay. I would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq



Re: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Kent, Epic Yachting has also been in contact with Amel to provide service for the boats. They have a deep water marina in Gloucester, VA that is fully capable of Amel service.  It is a very short run from Norfolk to Severn River Marine Service.  There is also Amel service available at their docks in Annapolis  and in Newport RI from May to November.  They are a mast cap to keel stem to stern service firm.
Richard SM 209 in Annapolis For Sale



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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Service on East Coast of US


 
I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy.  He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.
 
I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake.  Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out.  He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply.  We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard.  I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats.  I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.
 
Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

We spent a year in Isle of hope in Savannah Georgia. Its beautiful, quiet, calm, and they have never been hit by a hurricane. John, "Moon Dog" SM 248




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: karkauai@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:02:09 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida






I looked at a bunch of marinas in Georgia this summer as possible places to leave KRISTY next year. Isle of Hope Marina, Lady's Island Marina, and Morningstar Marina at Golden Isles were my top three picks.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

From: Peter Aubrey <peter.aubrey@stme.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida


I left my SM 2000 "MAIA" 293 in the care of the excellent late Ray Eaton
who was the Amel technical expert in Florida from December 2002 to April
2005. He found a safe berth for me in a canal at the foot of someone's
yard at a very economic price. It was up one of the rivers in Fort
Lauderdale which required passing through a few lifting bridges but was
very safe and easy to access. Of course he was looking after the boat so
it was visited regularly. Since Ray passed away I don't know if there is
anyone filling the support role in Florida. Maybe Joel Potter could
respond if a similar arrangement can be made now. (Thanks Joel!). The
arrangement I made through Ray was hugely less expensive than the Marinas
in Fort Lauderdale. I am not sure whether he had access to shore power to
keep the batteries charged or used some other method. The draft and mast
measurements are very close to the same with the 54 so that wouldn't
present a problem.
Good luck
Peter Aubrey SM293 MAIA from Malta.

I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it
south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good
marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate
7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft.
Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay.
I would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from
Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq

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Re: Amel Service on East Coast of US

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Kent,



I think that is a great idea. Deltaville has a good reputation. Pilot's
Point yard in eastern Connecticut also does good work. I wonder if Amel has
considered sending two Amel people to travel trough the eastern US
periodically to service the boats. I envision a system where one could make
an appointment for work in advance and the team would travel up or down the
coast-perhaps with a large amount of spare parts stored somewhere in the US.




Regards,



Miles (SM 216, LADYBUG)

Newport, RI


Amel Service on East Coast of US

karkauai
 

I was sad to hear of Ray's passing, he was a real peach of a guy.  He worked on Kristy right after I bought her and sailed across the Gulf from Galveston to Key West and Ft. Lauderdale.
 
I had a lot of quality work done on KRISTY over the last few years at Deltaville Marina on the Chesapeake.  Keith, the owner, said he'd worked on several Amels in the past and is enthralled with the way they are built and their systems are laid out.  He contacted Amel to see about becoming an Amel service center but got no reply.  We need somewhere like that where we can get Amel-specific help on the Eastern Seaboard.  I'd like to start a campaign to ask Amel to find a good yard and get them trained to work on our boats.  I'd recommend Deltaville Boatyard but any good yard would be better than having to go to Martinique or deal with folks who just don't get the Amel systems.
 
Any thoughts?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida

karkauai
 

I looked at a bunch of marinas in Georgia this summer as possible places to leave KRISTY next year.  Isle of Hope Marina, Lady's Island Marina, and Morningstar Marina at Golden Isles were my top three picks.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

From: Peter Aubrey <peter.aubrey@stme.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida


 
I left my SM 2000 "MAIA" 293 in the care of the excellent late Ray Eaton
who was the Amel technical expert in Florida from December 2002 to April
2005. He found a safe berth for me in a canal at the foot of someone's
yard at a very economic price. It was up one of the rivers in Fort
Lauderdale which required passing through a few lifting bridges but was
very safe and easy to access. Of course he was looking after the boat so
it was visited regularly. Since Ray passed away I don't know if there is
anyone filling the support role in Florida. Maybe Joel Potter could
respond if a similar arrangement can be made now. (Thanks Joel!). The
arrangement I made through Ray was hugely less expensive than the Marinas
in Fort Lauderdale. I am not sure whether he had access to shore power to
keep the batteries charged or used some other method. The draft and mast
measurements are very close to the same with the 54 so that wouldn't
present a problem.
Good luck
Peter Aubrey SM293 MAIA from Malta.

I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it
south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good
marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate
7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft.
Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay.
I would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from
Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq

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Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida

Peter Aubrey <peter.aubrey@...>
 

I left my SM 2000 "MAIA" 293 in the care of the excellent late Ray Eaton
who was the Amel technical expert in Florida from December 2002 to April
2005. He found a safe berth for me in a canal at the foot of someone's
yard at a very economic price. It was up one of the rivers in Fort
Lauderdale which required passing through a few lifting bridges but was
very safe and easy to access. Of course he was looking after the boat so
it was visited regularly. Since Ray passed away I don't know if there is
anyone filling the support role in Florida. Maybe Joel Potter could
respond if a similar arrangement can be made now. (Thanks Joel!). The
arrangement I made through Ray was hugely less expensive than the Marinas
in Fort Lauderdale. I am not sure whether he had access to shore power to
keep the batteries charged or used some other method. The draft and mast
measurements are very close to the same with the 54 so that wouldn't
present a problem.
Good luck
Peter Aubrey SM293 MAIA from Malta.

I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it
south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good
marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate
7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft.
Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay.
I would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from
Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq



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Isotemp water heater problems

Dave_Benjamin
 

Before leaving for cruising in late 2009, we installed an 11 gallon Isotemp hot water heater. We chose it as we wanted a high quality unit. Just over 2 years from install the heating element failed even though the unit was not really used much during our nearly 8 months in tropical water.

When I removed the heating element for replacement, I was shocked to find that one of the factory workers apparently used the water heater as a trash can. I found a large number of discarded tie wraps inside the heater.

I also discovered signs of leakage at the factory fittings. I've made a photo album titled Isotemp and shared some photos. I have also shared these photos with the US importer/wholesaler for Indel Webasto Marine. I'll let you know how they respond. If I'm not satisfied with the response, I'll make sure many in the sailing community know about this.


Re: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida

Kimberly Cerillo <kcvabeach@...>
 

A couple of suggestions -



Charleston city Marina http://www.charlestoncitymarina.com/





St. Augustine city Marina (Bridge of Lions with accommodate your mast)
http://www.staugustinegovernment.com/visitors/municipal-marina.cfm





Ocean Marina in Stock Island (Key West)
http://marinefuel.com/e-marina/florida/key-west/kings-pointe-marina/





We have been to all three marinas in our Amel SM #353 Indecent and they are
all pretty good. At Ocean Marina, we leased a slip from a private owner and
save about 50%. We can give you information for the owner of the slip if
you want.



Fair winds,



George and Kim Cerillo

s/y Indecent #353



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bozo_cinq
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Looking for Marina in Florida





I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it
south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good
marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate
7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft.
Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay. I
would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from
Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq


Looking for Marina in Florida

bozo_cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

I have am AMEL 54 which is presently in Annapolis, MD. I will be taking it south for the winter around the first of December. I am looking for a good marina that has reasonable rates, close to airport and can accommodate 7'draft and 75' mast clearance to get to, secure and protected. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate as I looked at marina's in Ft. Lauderdale only to find them very, very expensive for a 3 to 4 month stay. I would also be receptive to marina's along the Atlantic coast from Charleston, SC to Florida.
Thank you,
Bozo Cinq


Re: [Amel] Surveyor In Costa Rica or Panama

peter pappas <pjppappas@...>
 

Hi Dennis I am in Queos and I recently flew a surveyor down from the states it was very reasonable (I think like $1300 airfare and all. I am out of town but will be back on Monday and can get you the exact amount.  and he did a great job , i can put you in touch if you would like.



________________________________
From: Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@yahoo.com>
To: "southbound_group@yahoogroups.com" <southbound_group@yahoogroups.com>; "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:43 AM
Subject: [Amel] Surveyor In Costa Rica or Panama


 
We need an out of water survey to re-insure.  Can anyone recommend a surveyor in either Costa Rica or Panama?  Please advise email address if you know it.
Dennis & Virginia Johns
s/v Libertad
Golfito, Costa Rica

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Re: [Amel] what's the trick to removing table in older Maramu?

Dave_Benjamin
 

I've got a set of those screwdrivers with the 90 degree bend but the screws aren't budging. With access the way it is, it's tough to get enough pressure against the fastener. I didn't have much time to play with it and I've got some fresh ideas for when I'm back on the boat next week.

I've been invited to present a seminar to the puddle jumpers so I may see you in La Cruz if you get over that way.

Cheers,
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, David Wallace <svairops@...> wrote:


Dave,
I know they make screwdrivers with a 90 bend at the tip, lots of repositioning but would do the trick. I'm sure you'll get it all sorted out.
All is well indeed. We're aboard, currently in Puerto Escondido where things are quite good right now. We did get out for 8 days and should be heading out again in a couple more.
Take care,
Dave

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@...
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 23:03:26 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] what's the trick to removing table in older Maramu?




























Dave,



On the newer Maramu's the fasteners are visible around the perimeter of the table and removal is pretty straight forward. Some of the screws are really hard to get to because they're basically flush against a piece of wood. I need come up with a better tool than just a regular screwdriver. I don't think all those fasteners are really needed because the newer ones just have the 6 bolts.



Hope all is well with you and Air Ops.



Cheers,

Dave



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, David Wallace <svairops@> wrote:

Hi Dave,
It's been 11 years since I removed the table on Air Ops but if I remember correctly, the 6 large screws around the perimeter of the floor board it's mounted on were the only thing holding it in place. I still have the original floor board in place (we reconfigured the cabin so the table isn't there any more) so I can see the mounting holes -- six large ones and then numerous small ones for the screws that held the table structure to the floorboard. I also just pulled the floorboard up and the only holes in the stringers beneath it correspond to the six large ones in the floor board. There is no structure that other screws could be driven into except a cross stringer in the middle of the floorboard.
Hope this helps.
Daves/v Air OpsMaramu #104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 04:48:14 +0000
Subject: [Amel] what's the trick to removing table in older Maramu?
We have Maramu #29. I want to clean the water tank so the table needs to come up to access the forward section. I've found 6 bolts so far and there's some screws that are really tough to reach. Still the table is firmly attached. Joel Potter told me there's some hard to find fasteners or some other trick to getting the table out of the way.
Anyone have ideas?
I used a pressure washer on the two other areas of the tank and that was quite effective.



















Re: Maramu fuel tank

Jose_Luis Isasi
 

My fault, I read too quickly. :-)
JL

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "rotormaneuros41" <rotormail@...> wrote:

Hi JL,

I found the outside and inside plans in the Xalol folder But on those plans I cant see any baffles in the fuel tank. There is in the water tank, though.

Cheers
Geza

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jose_Luis" <lji0041@> wrote:

Hi Geza,

The plan shows something that could be called baffles.

Check in the photos section. I can also send it to you if necessary.

Regards
JL

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "rotormaneuros41" <rotormail@> wrote:

Hi Mauro,

I also have an Euros 41 and thinking about adding inspection holes to the fuel tanks. Do you remember if the tanks on the Euros has baffles inside?

Cheers
Geza
SV Rotor
Auckland, New Zealand
www.rotorman.hu
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Mauro Iachelli <m_iachelli@> wrote:

Hi maramu 48,
I'm afraid I cannot give many advices on a Maramu 46 (I think that's the right LOA), but I own an Euros 41 in which the diesel tanks were in stainless still nad built inside the hull without any kind of access. When I started having some leak problems I had to cut through the bottom of the locker covering them to cut an access port and eventually to cut them out of the boat. In my case I have been forced to rebuild them in Epoxy fbg integrally to the hull of the boat because of lack of room to fit the new ones back in.
I hope that is not your case, anyway good luck.
Mauro
Euros #41

PS: In case you need I attached a inside plan of the Maramu 46, showing the position of the diesel tank.


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