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Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Hello David,

Aquarius had these hatch protectors on the aft lazaret when I bought Aquarius, but then I put some similar protectors on all the lazarets.  Several photos to look at.  I had them made in New Zealand from 316 stainless.    I like the why the previous owner had them installed, but could not get the guys who installed the protectors in Thailand to do the same.  But, after it was done, it looking pretty good.  

Aquarius SM2K#262
Ken Powers
On Aquarius in Thailand....


Re: Climma work in New York area?

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Eric,
We're headed to eastern LI - could you send me contact info for your A/C /Espar genius, please? May need some assistance reinstalling & diagnosing mine.
You can pm to sangaris at aol dot com.
Thanks
Craig
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

Peter Forbes
 

Good morning Carina,

Long time since we net in St Lucia!

Were the two webasto heaters installed when you bought your 54 or did you fit them? Can you send me a photograph of what they look like?

I would love to retrofit eberspacher or webasto but am afraid of the cost.

Best wishes

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035 
La Rochelle
00447836 209730

On 5 May 2021, at 04:35, CARINA HAMMARLUND <syultimo@...> wrote:



Hi Alexander,
We just lived our second winter on the boat in Sweden, without any major problems. We have two webasto heaters, one just for the after cabin and one for the rest of the boat. We do experienced some condensation but we open up the floor hatches now and then when we leave the boat for a couple of hours to let the air flow. 

we also pulled out the madras a couple of centimeters in the guest cabin so it’s not tight to the hull. 

A dehumidifier is a great help to keep the condensation in control.
this winter we experienced -22 C for about ten days without feeling cold inside, the heaters really makes it cozy.

in summer this is not a problem at all...

welcome up north!
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi Alexander,
We just lived our second winter on the boat in Sweden, without any major problems. We have two webasto heaters, one just for the after cabin and one for the rest of the boat. We do experienced some condensation but we open up the floor hatches now and then when we leave the boat for a couple of hours to let the air flow. 

we also pulled out the madras a couple of centimeters in the guest cabin so it’s not tight to the hull. 

A dehumidifier is a great help to keep the condensation in control.
this winter we experienced -22 C for about ten days without feeling cold inside, the heaters really makes it cozy.

in summer this is not a problem at all...

welcome up north!
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Climma work in New York area?

eric freedman
 

Hi Billy, I have an air conditioning genius that works here on eastern Long Island . He also installs Espar heaters. He is installing one on my friend’s 54 as I write. Where are you located?

Climma parts are available from Coastal Climate Control 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Billy Newport
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 4:43 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma work in New York area?

 

My climma did cool the boat on delivery in June and wouldn't heat it in the winter and now won't cool it today. Does anyone know someone in the new york area (ish) who can work on these. The yard I'm at now won't touch climma as his guy can't get parts.

Any help appreciated
Billy (Amel 55#56).


Re: Climma work in New York area?

 

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Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:42 PM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
My climma did cool the boat on delivery in June and wouldn't heat it in the winter and now won't cool it today. Does anyone know someone in the new york area (ish) who can work on these. The yard I'm at now won't touch climma as his guy can't get parts.

Any help appreciated
Billy (Amel 55#56).


Climma work in New York area?

Billy Newport
 

My climma did cool the boat on delivery in June and wouldn't heat it in the winter and now won't cool it today. Does anyone know someone in the new york area (ish) who can work on these. The yard I'm at now won't touch climma as his guy can't get parts.

Any help appreciated
Billy (Amel 55#56).


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

Ian Park
 

Alexander,
We've cruised the Mediterranean, Caribbean and the Baltic and Scotland in our Santorin. We live in North Wales where we keep the boat at present.
The Eberspacher keeps the boat warm enough and the aft cabin is no colder than anywhere else. Amels are particularly well insulated on the deck and keep the heat in well. Condensation is an issue from hatches and anywhere on the sides of the hull. We have insulated our wardrobes to stop clothes getting damp and mouldy.
A dehumidifier is the best friend in keeping the boat dry.
We find the aft cabin pretty cosy. But in cold climates get an electric blanket for all the bunks. They use very few amps and are a real boon.

Ian
'Ocean Hobo' SN 96


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Alexander,

 We spent three seasons in Chile, including two based in the Beagle channel. We didn't find problems with the cold or condensation. What proved useful were:

  1. The curtain in the cockpit
  2. A good pair of warm slippers
  3. Hot water bottles for your bed  ( the whole of our aft cabin is a large bed which Amel built for us when the boat was new ). Good duvets.
  4. Heating--we have an Eberspacher ( wonderful), reverse aircon ( no great heat but very useful for ventilating the boat ) plus two domestic fan heaters, 2 and 3 kw. With all three systems  going you have 10,000 Btu----too much after about 10 minutes, but great for instant warmth
  5. We did add bubblewrap to the inside of the hatch in the main saloon
  Beyond that, wrap up warm !


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Alexander Hofmann <DACJ@...>
Sent: 04 May 2021 09:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.
 
Dear all,
I am planning to sail higher lattitudes in summer times in the coming years in Europe (Norway / Baltic) and globally later on (NZ South / Patagonia / Alaska / New Foundland etc.) where water temperatures even in summer can be really low, producing a really chilly atmosphere inside - and condensation. This is relevant especially for the aft cabin, which has the most direct contact to sea and air outside, and is not really protected through lockers etc. - Might be very helpful in mid and front ship also. 
The only strategy making sense to me is isolationg with a kind of high performance material on the inside of the hull in lockers below, sidewards in lockers and wardrobes also on the hull, under the inside cover. 
Does anybody has made that already or has any relevant experience with it? Which isolation materials ca be recommended? 
Any experience with measures to avoid condensation on hatches (doubling, protection)? 
I am very thankful for any comment and hint!
Alexander,
SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156


Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Slavko Despotovic
 

Wrong this time. Heat exchanger had to be cleaned. Few hours of cleaning and now the temperatures are 73dC and 23dC. Sea water temperature is 15dC.
Thank you all for help.

--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

JB Duler
 

Alexander, I would be super careful with over insulating and no air circulation. You may discover later mold problems or create allergies.
Can you fit a second heating unit (webasto or espar)?
Create air circulation between the hull and the material you use, In other words glue battens on the hull and apply some isolation material, but with air gaps.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Mike Ondra
 

Eric,
We had both the outhaul and furling motor for the main shear several years ago.
Mike


On May 3, 2021, at 11:01 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi Mike,

What furling motor is this? Main or Genoa?

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

 

Picking up on a thread from last year re shearing of the motor shafts on the furling motors between the motor and gear box.  Happened to SV Delos as shown in Episode 317 around the 10 min. mark. Others have experienced this, all at the same place (Nebo sm251, Aletes SM 240 twice, and I believe Delos is in the 250’s or 260’s). Curious if others have experienced this and if anyone has an explanation. This is a fairly stout shaft and it would seem the motor should stall before shearing if the shaft was healthy (no fatigued). There is no shaft exposure to weather.

 

Mike Ondra

Aleses SM#240

Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hello,

Perhaps you can have a look to aerogel :  https://www.agitec.ch/page/aerogel/index.php?lang=FR

For condensation I put on board a dehumidifier (5-10 liter/day !!) : https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07SR9F56P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Jean Luc

SM 316 CottonBay


Le 04/05/2021 à 11:15, Alexander Hofmann a écrit :
Dear all,
I am planning to sail higher lattitudes in summer times in the coming years in Europe (Norway / Baltic) and globally later on (NZ South / Patagonia / Alaska / New Foundland etc.) where water temperatures even in summer can be really low, producing a really chilly atmosphere inside - and condensation. This is relevant especially for the aft cabin, which has the most direct contact to sea and air outside, and is not really protected through lockers etc. - Might be very helpful in mid and front ship also. 
The only strategy making sense to me is isolationg with a kind of high performance material on the inside of the hull in lockers below, sidewards in lockers and wardrobes also on the hull, under the inside cover. 
Does anybody has made that already or has any relevant experience with it? Which isolation materials ca be recommended? 
Any experience with measures to avoid condensation on hatches (doubling, protection)? 
I am very thankful for any comment and hint!
Alexander,
SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156


Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

Alexander Hofmann
 

Dear all,
I am planning to sail higher lattitudes in summer times in the coming years in Europe (Norway / Baltic) and globally later on (NZ South / Patagonia / Alaska / New Foundland etc.) where water temperatures even in summer can be really low, producing a really chilly atmosphere inside - and condensation. This is relevant especially for the aft cabin, which has the most direct contact to sea and air outside, and is not really protected through lockers etc. - Might be very helpful in mid and front ship also. 
The only strategy making sense to me is isolationg with a kind of high performance material on the inside of the hull in lockers below, sidewards in lockers and wardrobes also on the hull, under the inside cover. 
Does anybody has made that already or has any relevant experience with it? Which isolation materials ca be recommended? 
Any experience with measures to avoid condensation on hatches (doubling, protection)? 
I am very thankful for any comment and hint!
Alexander,
SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156


Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Slavko Despotovic
 

I cleaned exhaust elbow, and cleaned manifold. White smoke is gone, but overheating not. I am now left, my opinion, with heat exchanger and thermostat. The flow of the seawater is stronger then it was before the cleaning, so I am more to the direction of faulty thermostat.
Do I have to drain a coolant from the engine to check on the thermostat?
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

eric freedman
 

Hi Mike,

What furling motor is this? Main or Genoa?

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

 

Picking up on a thread from last year re shearing of the motor shafts on the furling motors between the motor and gear box.  Happened to SV Delos as shown in Episode 317 around the 10 min. mark. Others have experienced this, all at the same place (Nebo sm251, Aletes SM 240 twice, and I believe Delos is in the 250’s or 260’s). Curious if others have experienced this and if anyone has an explanation. This is a fairly stout shaft and it would seem the motor should stall before shearing if the shaft was healthy (no fatigued). There is no shaft exposure to weather.

 

Mike Ondra

Aleses SM#240

Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Mike.  Delos is Hull #303.  

Brent

On May 3, 2021, 9:11 PM -0400, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...>, wrote:

Picking up on a thread from last year re shearing of the motor shafts on the furling motors between the motor and gear box.  Happened to SV Delos as shown in Episode 317 around the 10 min. mark. Others have experienced this, all at the same place (Nebo sm251, Aletes SM 240 twice, and I believe Delos is in the 250’s or 260’s). Curious if others have experienced this and if anyone has an explanation. This is a fairly stout shaft and it would seem the motor should stall before shearing if the shaft was healthy (no fatigued). There is no shaft exposure to weather.

 

Mike Ondra

Aleses SM#240

Chesapeake Bay, USA


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Mike Ondra
 

Picking up on a thread from last year re shearing of the motor shafts on the furling motors between the motor and gear box.  Happened to SV Delos as shown in Episode 317 around the 10 min. mark. Others have experienced this, all at the same place (Nebo sm251, Aletes SM 240 twice, and I believe Delos is in the 250’s or 260’s). Curious if others have experienced this and if anyone has an explanation. This is a fairly stout shaft and it would seem the motor should stall before shearing if the shaft was healthy (no fatigued). There is no shaft exposure to weather.

 

Mike Ondra

Aleses SM#240

Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF

Wolfgang Weber
 

Dean,
thank you for the diagram. As I see the GP 150 has no longer a connection, the new GPS is wired to the junction box and gives data to all instruments etc.
I hope I  can manage to do this. I  ordered the  Tri Nav  GPS, because I  would like the  system is working on 3  satellite systems and should give a good accuracy of the position of the boat and the important thing is I hopefully will have it in 3 days - not in june from china.
Thank you for the help - perhaps I will need more, when  doing/starting the repair.
You all stay healthy - Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54 #162 Fort Lauderdale /Playboy Marina  ( who named this Marina ????)


watertight doors

eric freedman
 

Have any members experienced the watertight door pulling away from the seal at the top when the crossbar is attached?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water Intrusion and watertight bulkheads

 

Hi All.

if you want to convince yourself about the inadequacy of bilge pumps in the case of a hull breach remove your speed log from the through hull when the boat is in the water.

It is down right scary how much water comes in FAST from that relatively small hole. The idea of massive capacity 120 or 230 volt pumps sounds good till you consider Murphy's' law. What can go  wrong, will go wrong, at at the worst possible time. Batteries don't like being under water.

What situation would necessitate that huge volume pump? You can bet not a quiet controlled one. Panic and mayhem may prevail. Gen set wont start. inverter fails, someone in panic gets it all wrong. 

The captains Amel watertight bulkheads make all the sense in the world. But does all your crew know where the locking bars are, and how to fit  them? Do you know where they are so you could put your hand on them in an instant.

Do the valves on the bilge piping that passes through the bulkhead operate, or are they frozen?The water tight bulkheads  will buy valuable time while you find a method to pug the hole. Above the waterline, cushions stuffed in. Below the waterline a more compressed plugging. Large holes, fothering which is drawing a sail or something similar over the outside of the hull.

Certainly large pumps are great but just one of the methods needed. 

Joel is it true that at an Annapolis boat show years ago they flooded the front cabin on a SM and showed the boat could still sail? 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 May 2021 at 03:37 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I recently finished reading the book 66 days Adrift, where a boat was "attacked" by a large pod of pilot whales 1000 miles into the passage between panama and Hawaii and the boat was lost due to water intrusion in the main salon area, in a matter of minutes. I have always thought about the survivability and resilience of our Amels in different scenarios. I have the following questions and hoping the answers are within our group.

  1. Will there be sufficient buoyancy to stay afloat, if there is a large breach in the salon area and the forward and aft bulkhead doors are secured?
  2. Are the forward and aft bulkhead areas watertight only to a certain height about the cabin floor, or could the entire volume be flooded without water intruding into the engine compartment or the salon area. This would be important if there is a large breach at the cabin top, thus allowing the volume to be filled by waves or the boat is inverted.
  3. I have thought about and there has been some discussion about carrying an auxiliary pump, in order to buy some time, in case of a major leak, so that a temporary repair can be implemented. The following chart shows the amount of water flow by hole size and depth of hole. As you can see, at even 2 feet below the water line, a 1.5 inch hole is sufficient to overcome any pumps that we have been discussing in the group. Has anyone come up with a viable design of an engine mounted/operated trash type pump design, or maybe a larger electric pump that could utilize the full  output of the generator (11KW) to allow for significantly more pumping capacity.

Boat Flooding Rates in Gallons per Minute

Depth of Hole Below Waterline

Diameter of Opening or Hole

1 in

1.5 in

2 in

2.5 in

3 in

3.5 in

4 in

1 ft

19.4

43.8

77.9

121.7

175.3

238.6

311.6

2 ft

27.8

62.5

111.1

173.6

250.0

340.2

444.4

3 ft

33.9

76.3

135.7

212.0

305.3

415.6

542.8

4 ft

39.3

88.4

157.1

245.3

353.5

481.2

628.4


Any and all other thought sand plans to add to our tool bag to help in similar situations, would be appreciated.

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