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Re: Amel Martinique Rally Update...ya'll come
Kent and Iris, As it turns out almost nothing has changed...someone else was just added to the Rally, so the count remains the same. I said almost nothing because I am sure that you and Iris will be missed by everyone. The updated web page can be viewed here: Amel Caribbean Rally
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:56 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Hi Bill and all Caribbean Rally Amelians.
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
CARA is USCG Documented: 26 GRT, 23 NRT
Denise McGovern s/v CARA SM #440 Chesapeake Bay
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Kimberlite is documented in the USA with 28 gross tonnage and 25 net tonnage. That was provided by Amel when they had Kimberlite documented. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
[Edited Message Follows] Pat,
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Re: Sharki shaft alternator
marklesparkle59
Thank you Gerhard this is very interesting and useful information. I am compiling an inventory of my Sharki, do you think it is something all Sharki owners would contribute to and use? It could be invaluable for maintenance, replacing equipment and best practise tips. Do owners already have them? Incidentally Sea Hobo will welcome visitors from the EU and the rest of the world while we sort out our appalling attitudes on our forlorn little island. Mark Sent from my Samsung device
-------- Original message -------- From: "Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io" <carcode@...> Date: 14/03/2019 12:45 (GMT+00:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sharki shaft alternator Mark Coming back to your picture of the gearbox. I have been searching now for my gearbox sticker but it was difficult to read because this sticker was at baboard side of the gearbox. As far as I can see the manufacturer is "Hurth" and the type should be "HBW-20-3R". Type HBW-20 is for sure but the ratio (3R) is guessed only because so hard to read. However it is the same gearbox you have. The oil type is ATF-A and the oil quantity should be 0.3 liters. On top of the gearbox is no ID plate but only the ATF-A sticker. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Sharki shaft alternator
sharki.cigale@...
Hi, here is the sticker of my Sharki
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Re: Sharki shaft alternator
marklesparkle59
Thanks Gerhard, Little by little... Mark Sent from my Samsung device
-------- Original message -------- From: "Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io" <carcode@...> Date: 14/03/2019 12:59 (GMT+00:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sharki shaft alternator Aras I don't have a red light but only a green light at the panel for the shaft alternator. I do have however a red light at the main panel for the second alternator of the engine and a red light for the first engine alternator at the engine panel. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Sharki shaft alternator
Gerhard Mueller
Aras
I don't have a red light but only a green light at the panel for the shaft alternator. I do have however a red light at the main panel for the second alternator of the engine and a red light for the first engine alternator at the engine panel. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul,
sav@ amel dot fr is the email address to use when you want to order parts directly from Amel in La Rochelle. The department is called "Service après-vente", managed by Thierry BILLARD and his assistant is Mrs. Maud TOUILLET. Generally, Maud will answer your emails and her English is excellent. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Earth bonding and watermaker
Hi All,
I'm wondering about a thing after removing my Duo watermaker. I noticed quite some galvanic corrosion despite the fact that the green/yellow bonding wire was attached at several points to the watermaker. I was actually just in time taking the thing apart as I'm still able to salvage all the important bits. From traces I could see I'm guessing one of the endcaps on the pump has been leaking also given the amount of salt build-up at the chassis and pump-base. What I'm wondering about is the bonding sytem. Is it also connected to the shore power earth lead? From earlier conversations I vaguely remember it was not connected. If not then why is the earth connection of the 230 Volt pump connected to the mains earth? Any advise appreciated. Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Pat,
Here's a link to the US Coast Guard's Simplified Measurement Guide I mentioned.USCG Simplified Tonnage Guide You can use this for vessels under 79 feet. As Olivier points out different countries have different methods. You should work it out yourself, but, for your SM it would be ABOUT the following (I had to guess at a couple of numbers but you can fine tune it. GRT = (Hull volume + Deckhouse Volume) / 100 Where Hull Volume = S x K x L x B x D and Deck Structure Volume = Ls x Ds x Bs L, B and D are overall length, breadth and depth, but depth is measured from the deck edge to the bottom of the keel. You consider the Deck Volume to be 0 if it is less than the hull volume, which it is. S is a Shape factor which is 0.5 for sailboats. K is a Keel factor which is 0.75 for our shape of sailboat. So, let's use Richard Colebatch's posting for your SM dimensions. That is 52.49' in Length and 15.09' in Breath. Richard shows a Water Draft of 6.73' from the bottom of the keel to the water line and let me guess another 6' of freeboard to the edge of the deck. That would be a Depth of 11.73' (which seems about right as my Santorin's Depth is 10.5') So the SM Gross Register Tons (GRT) would be (they say to round feet to the nearest tenth): S x K x L x B x D 0.5 x 0.75 x 52.5 x 15.1 x 11.8 = 3507 / 100 = 35 GRT Then, NRT = M x GRT, where M is a Machinery factor which is .9 for sailboats, so NRT = .9 x 35 = 31 (you are instructed to truncate any fraction) So, it does seem your numbers are, indeed, way high and should be more like a GRT of 35 and NRT of 31. Bill Rouse's GRT 27, NRT 24 comes from his Documentation Certificate, I'm sure, but seems low as my Santorin is 31 and 28 and the USCG calculation above is pretty straightforward. Anyway, there are lot of other numbers in this thread that may have their origin in countries other than the US and/or may be weight based. Numbers that have fractions are definitely not US GRT/NRT, which are always whole numbers. Also, in the US the documentation is pretty much self reported with, seemingly, very little checking by the NVDOC. Whatever, your's seems high. The US Coast Guard's National Vessel Documentation center has a super new website that it very easy to navigate and you may be able to change your numbers on-line. Check it out. Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 with GRT 31 NRT 28
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Re: Sharki shaft alternator
Gerhard Mueller
Mark
Coming back to your picture of the gearbox. I have been searching now for my gearbox sticker but it was difficult to read because this sticker was at baboard side of the gearbox. As far as I can see the manufacturer is "Hurth" and the type should be "HBW-20-3R". Type HBW-20 is for sure but the ratio (3R) is guessed only because so hard to read. However it is the same gearbox you have. The oil type is ATF-A and the oil quantity should be 0.3 liters. On top of the gearbox is no ID plate but only the ATF-A sticker. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Hi Paul,
This may apply although it involves the distribution manifold and might be of general interest. When I was in the Amel shop in Le Marin (not that far from you), this caught my eye. François, who had fabricated it explained that it was for an Amel 54 and I believe he said it was €800. Looked like a really great idea to me....I took a pic and made a mental note to think about making up one back in the States using Bill's dimensions. (For you SM owners) he did indicate to me that he would consider fabricating one for an SM. Gotta love the individual ball valves. Plus acid cleaner possibilities....  Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Olivier Beaute
Hello, a vessel's tonnage is indeed a volume (how much can this vessel carry). This international value is now expressed without unit's name. It was previously expressed in tons or tonneaux (for France). This "ton" is not equivalent to a metric ton which is the weight of 1000 liters of water, but it is equivalent to 100 cubic feet which is around 2.837 cubic meter Every country's authority has its own calculation for tonnage (from length, beam and inside height). This is why the tonnage of a Super Maramu is 30.14 in France and is, for instance 33.24 (gross tonnage) and 23.35 (Register tonnage) in UK. It will for sure be different for Australian or NZ or US flag. However, Pat's tonnage seems high. Olivier.
On Wednesday, March 13, 2019, 10:40:10 PM GMT+1, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
I should have mentioned that I knew tonnage was not the weight of the boat ,but a volume measurement . Still it seemed high and apparently that is the case and I will have it changed. Thanks for the correct numbers. Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Opua meeting.
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
For sure
On 14 March 2019 at 13:05 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel Martinique Rally Update...ya'll come
Hi Bill and all Caribbean Rally Amelians.
We are sorry to tell you that we have to go back home before the Rally and will not be able to attend. We were really looking forward to meeting you all and seeing your beautiful Amels. Alas, perhaps another time. Bill, will our pulling out at the last minute like this cost anyone anything? If so, we’d like to reimburse for what ever inconvenience it causes. Regretfully, Kent & Iris Kristy SM243
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Re: Solar Panel Arches
James Cromie <jamescromie@...>
Jose - I asked these same questions of others who have installed various arches on their Super Maramus. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that a heavier stainless steel arch was most appropriate for solidly supporting two 315W panels as well as suspending our dinghy from it . One of the important aspects in my decision was how the arch is secured to the hull structure.
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The Emek arch is designed to transfer force at what seem to be the strongest points on the stern. In addition, my opinion is that the Emek arch is the most attractive looking.. of course I’m biased. (no offense to others!) I continue to receive frequent compliments on the arch and the high quality workmanship (including the Newport welder who helped me). The Welder in Newport, RI stated that he couldn’t fabricate the same arch for anything less than $15000 most likely . It seems to be the primary arch offered as a custom design for this boat. The drawback of ordering the arch from Emek is that shipping internationally is a hassle, and there is a significant amount of work involved in properly fitting the arch perfectly to the hull. Every boat has very slight variations in geometry, and so the arch will not fit perfectly as though it were fabricated on site. Indeed, it comes as a kit that requires some limited welding. To ensure a proper fit, I built up epoxy footings where the arch feet met the hull per the recommendations of others on the forum. The actual tray that carried the panels was not fabricated to the exact measurements that I sent to Emek. I was able to rectify the problem without too much difficulty, and Emek followed through in reimbursing me for the additional costs required for that adjustment. The arch has two cross struts made out of stainless steel pipe that are anchored at the midpoint of the stern just behind the midline removable stanchion. Some have elected to omit these from the installation, but I find these to be critical in providing absolute lateral rigidity and stability. In addition, I find that they provide a great handle for boarding the boat or simply grabbing on to something when working at the stern. The overall weight - with panels - probably around 200 lbs, though I’m not certain. I have no movement or wobble in my arch - even when the dinghy is suspended, though I do not keep the dinghy there when making any passage. The cost may be more than the Atlantic Arch, but I am very happy with the Emek arch, and I would do it the same way if I had to do it again. I will try to post some photos, though it looks essentially the same as others who have posted on the forum. (I did the installation myself, though hired a welder to weld the 6 joints required for full installation - which cost an additional $1000). In all, the total cost for arch, shipment and installation was around $7000. Good luck! James Soteria SM2K 347 Culebra
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Re: Maramu anchor and chain suggestions
eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Michael, SY Sioned, Or any other Amel owner. The chain Buoy looks very interesting. Has anyone had experience with it? https://www.force4.co.uk/force-4-chain-boy.html
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:29 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maramu anchor and chain suggestions
Tom,
I really like your solution. It sounds pretty foolproof, just a bit of hands on work if you are using more than 200’ of your chain! Thanks for the idea, I like this much better than adding the bulkhead. I am also still considering the 8mm chain idea. I feel like weight put into the anchor adds more holding power than putting it into the chain. I am considering both the 85 lbs and the 105 pound Mantus. The 105lb. Mantus is so wide that I am a little concerned that I might loose a degree or two on the wind from the windage! (grin) Glad to hear that your Bruce is treating you so well. Thanks for all of the thoughtful and helpful input.
James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: Solar Panel Arches
Jose,
I personally, with the owners, did two installations of the Atlantic arch. The key is in pre-tensioning the arch by cutting the upper cross members long-ish so the legs are wider than their mounts. You then pull them together when you put them in place using ratchet straps or the like. The instructions from Atlantic Tower have been updated to emphasize this. The last one was Kent's and I'm sure he can chime in on wobbly-ness. It was very stable when we finished the job. I'd recommend you do the job yourself so you get it right - I don't think there are any "professional" Atlantic Arch Installers (except me :-) Cheers, Craig
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Re: Solar Panel Arches
We have the Atlantic Towers arch and are very pleased with the unit. We installed a 1 1/4" stainless corner strut from the aftmost leg of the arch and down to the deck in order to minimize the lateral motion. After four years and a several thousand miles, we believe it was the right thing to do. I will add a picture to the forum tomorrow. Ian & Margaret S/V Loca Lola II SM153 Exumas, Bahamas
On Mar 13, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:
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Solar Panel Arches
I am in the process of ordering an arch for Ipanema. After personally seeing the aluminum arch made by Atlantic Towers, from Lulu and Creamy Puff I was very impressed with the quality, how light they were, and more importantly by the very affordable price. However, both owners (Marc and Mark) mentioned that the arches were somewhat wobbly, but that was corrected to their satisfaction by adding cables or an extra-strut in a corner. Although I have seen some very nice arches made to order, their cost , I think, is typically 3 to 4 times that of an Atlantic Tower and they seem to be much heavier. My questions are for those who have installed arches: 0) if they were from Atlantic Towers, were they wobbly? For this who installed stainless arches: 1) do you have an idea of their weight? 2) how wobbly are they when underway both with and without dink?, 3) did you have to add extra struts or cables to make them stiffer? 4) What was the cost of manufacture and installation? 5) Can you provide a pix of your system? Greatly appreciate your feedback Jose Ipanema SM2K 278 Still freezing in Boston Harbor but hopefully not for too long.
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