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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head sail furling
sailor63109@...
Kent,
I had the same trouble with the furler not holding a partially furled sail. My problem was a slightly bent clutch pin (which effectively shortened it) and a pin plate with elongated and ramped holes - I imagine due to those before me ignoring the problem. I had a new clutch pin fabricated about 2mm longer and that solved the problem. I had considered reinforcing the pin plate but as long as the pin goes all the way through it wasn't necessary. There is room for the extra 2mm below the pin plate. Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: TMD22 Turbo
Peter de Groot
My TMD22 has a Garrett 466770-0006S turbo on it. I purchased a new “cartridge” (compressor/turbine and bearing block) for $300. I’m waiting for the gaskets to arrive from Volvo, so I can’t tell you if it’s a success or not. I could not find a complete “rebuild kit” on line anywhere. Feel free to contact me if you would like more supplier details on the cartridge supplier. They are in North Hollywood California.
Peter de Groot La Querida SM207 Moss Landing, CA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head sail furling
Thank you Steve and Bill K, and Vlad made an offer of his spare rebuild kit, too. It sounds like I need to go to Ft L and dismantle my gearbox before I do anything else. If I need help I’ll call Nance&Underwood. Yes, Steve, please send me the list of seals. Where did you get your spare shaft and gears?
On Jan 2, 2019, at 2:12 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, Before you condemn the gearing inside the box, be sure that the drive pin in the furling drum is fully engaging in the drive plate that is mounted on top of the gearbox. We had our drive plate blow apart a few years ago, and other people have had trouble with the hole rounding over and pushing the pin up. That sounds like the more likely cause. Having just had our furling gearbox apart for routine maintenance, I think it very unlikely that the gearing inside the gearbox is the problem. Certainly possible, but unlikely given what you describe as symptoms. For the manual furling line, we have 10mm double braid dacron. That worked great for us on the two occasions we needed it. I wonder if the StaySet might be too stiff? 7/16" would not be too big. If you need this unit disassembled and looked at, you might try Nance and Underwood, riggers in Fort Lauderdale. They know Amel's very well, and Roger Underwood has been a help when we have used him. If you need a new drive plate, I know they can make one for you. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi Mark, You mentioned cutlass bearing. What model Amel do you have? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:56 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
Thanks Mark
I’ll check the engine mounts. Looking at the prop shaft when in gear today there does seem to be a slight misalignment by eye. I had the cutlass bearing replaced in the canaries so perhaps alignment has been out but somehow got worse via the engine mounts movement etc after prolonged free running of the prop shaft at speed on the long passage. There was also LOTS of weed on the passage. A boat we are travelling with seems to have issues with their prop after weed fouling on the trip so perhaps we also were fouled whilst running the prop shaft alternator hard which has exacerbated a prop shaft alignment issue.
Hmmm
I’ve bled the system but only up to the injector pump. I am rather ignorant about how air might cause rough running. Perhaps if the air was just in one of the high pressure fuel lines to a single cylinder ? Wonder if this would get worse not better on higher revs.
I’ll also chase the fuel line as you mention to see if there is any obvious signs of problems at unions etc.
The last fuel we took on was in the canaries. Only about 50L. We don’t use much really but that which we did take on in a few places in the canaries always seemed ok and always had lots of throughput at the pumps with all the other boats. I treat with a biocide too but I could have a look at the fuel just in case.
I also have a switchable double canister off engine primary fuel filter. I tried switching that to the new unused filter and the problem remained unchanged.
Many thanks again for the helpful thoughts. Very much appreciated
All the best
Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Repower for Super Maramu
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi Dan, I don’t know about the new yanmar engines. However the older engines like the 4jh4hte in later production was available with an isolated ground. If that option is not available, it is not a terrible problem to make the engine an isolated ground engine. If the option is not available I can walk you through the steps to rewire the engine. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 9:41 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Repower for Super Maramu
Happy New Year!
This spring I will be repowering Feierabend, our 1992 Super Maramu which currently has a very tired Perkins Prima 80. I'm in the pacific northwest, and looking at putting in a Yanmar 110hp. The yard I plan to use has repowered another SM, and are well aware of needing an ungrounded engine. Their concern is the other Yanmar 110hp they installed was modified to be ungrounded., but not sure if the new Yanmars can be with their electronics. They have contacted Yanmar to see if this can be done with the new electronic version.
This has spurred on a couple questions: 1. I've read through some of the previous conversations, but don't have a good understanding why the Amel requires an ungrounded engine. With major rewiring and replacing many of the electronics the boat has required, is there a point where it would no longer need an ungrounded engine?
2. There is currently a Kohler 8EoZ generator that is original with the boat. Is this also ungrounded, or is that not a consideration for the generator?
Thanks, Dan SV Feierabend SM #86
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sludge in fuel tank
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi Paul, Do you use a fuel conditioner in your diesel tank? Do you have inspection ports that are accessible in the tank? With a contaminate in the tank I would suggest using a finer racor filter. I believe that a 10 micron is recommended. I have always used a 2 micron. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 8:58 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sludge in fuel tank
Bill, Thanks, that is quite reassuring. The "sludge" is very sticky - I only noticed it when I went to lift the gauge rod up and I could feel it sticking to the bottom of the tank. What I found on the end was some dark brown very sticky residue. I have never had a problem with dirty or watery fuel, so I do believe that what I am seeing is not an urgency. It doesn't strike me as a DIY job though, so as you suggest, next time we're in a reasonably up to date location, we'll call an expert. Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Miles, If you have a vetus coupling. I think the knocking sound could be caused by the breakdown of the bushings in the coupling. The engine mounts and the C-Drive mounts are also something to check. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 8:52 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
First easy check is the engine mounts. We had your symptoms at certain harmonic rpms. Standing next to the ending rock it vigorously athwartships. If you can recreate the knocking sound, it is likely one of the mounts. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 St. Augustine FL
From: amelyachtowners@...
Hello fellow amelians
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Re: Sludge in fuel tank
ya_fohi
Bill, Thanks, that is quite reassuring. The "sludge" is very sticky - I only noticed it when I went to lift the gauge rod up and I could feel it sticking to the bottom of the tank. What I found on the end was some dark brown very sticky residue. I have never had a problem with dirty or watery fuel, so I do believe that what I am seeing is not an urgency. It doesn't strike me as a DIY job though, so as you suggest, next time we're in a reasonably up to date location, we'll call an expert. Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
First easy check is the engine mounts. We had your symptoms at certain harmonic rpms. Standing next to the ending rock it vigorously athwartships. If you can recreate the knocking sound, it is likely one of the mounts. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 St. Augustine FL
From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 11:58 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
Hello fellow amelians
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Fuel in Colombia
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi Mark, I have no problem with biodiesel in my car or boat in Colombia. However I use a cetane booster additive when I burn Biofuel. Most people say it is not necessary.
I also use Howes meaner power cleaner. One bottle is good for 350 gallons. It eliminates sludge and water from my tank. It is guaranteed to increase fuel efficiency 5% . Most importantly –no more black smudge on the hull, I carry a case on board. I don’t think you can get it ibn Colombia. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 https://www.soundingsonline.com/features/will-biodiesel-ever-work-for-boaters
From: Mark Erdos [mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 6:13 PM To: kimberlite@... Subject: Fuel in Colombia
Eric,
I know you have spent some time in the Colombia area and are wise to all things Colombian. We are going to need fuel here and several sailors express concerns due to the bio diesel being the only option. Thoughts?
By the way, our boat is filthy. It is not coal but dust. It hasn’t rained since we arrived here and it is very dry and windy. I swear the mountain is being blow away.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
smiles bernard
Thanks Mark
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I’ll check the engine mounts. Looking at the prop shaft when in gear today there does seem to be a slight misalignment by eye. I had the cutlass bearing replaced in the canaries so perhaps alignment has been out but somehow got worse via the engine mounts movement etc after prolonged free running of the prop shaft at speed on the long passage. There was also LOTS of weed on the passage. A boat we are travelling with seems to have issues with their prop after weed fouling on the trip so perhaps we also were fouled whilst running the prop shaft alternator hard which has exacerbated a prop shaft alignment issue. Hmmm I’ve bled the system but only up to the injector pump. I am rather ignorant about how air might cause rough running. Perhaps if the air was just in one of the high pressure fuel lines to a single cylinder ? Wonder if this would get worse not better on higher revs. I’ll also chase the fuel line as you mention to see if there is any obvious signs of problems at unions etc. The last fuel we took on was in the canaries. Only about 50L. We don’t use much really but that which we did take on in a few places in the canaries always seemed ok and always had lots of throughput at the pumps with all the other boats. I treat with a biocide too but I could have a look at the fuel just in case. I also have a switchable double canister off engine primary fuel filter. I tried switching that to the new unused filter and the problem remained unchanged. Many thanks again for the helpful thoughts. Very much appreciated All the best Miles
On 2 Jan 2019, at 15:00, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Bill Kinney
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rough engine at idle
Ryan Meador
Hi Miles, We had a problem that sounds similar and yet different from yours -- a vibration above 2000 rpm that got worse with higher revs. I suspected the engine alignment, and was proven right as soon as we had a mechanic look at in in Le Marin. He replaced the engine mounts, C drive mounts, and Vetus coupling rubber bits. It's smoother than ever now. I was very happy with his work. The mechanic's name is Didier, and his number is +596 696 81 57 22. Ryan and Kelly SM 233 Iteration Portsmouth, Dominica
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:35 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
mfmcgovern@...
Gentlemen,
This thread inspired me to take a look at the condition of the pulleys on my 2004 SM. Thankfully there are no signs of cracking on either pulley but when I tried to remove them I found at least one fastener on each pulley had "welded" itself to the pulley due to galvanic corrosion. It took me hours of heating, beating, and gentle coaxing to remove the corroded screws in the controlled environment of my workshop. And in doing so I caused some minor damage to the threads in one of the pulleys. I would not want to try doing this on the boat. Given all that, I'm going to have my machinist make me a new set of these pulleys so I can replace them preemptively in a controlled environment. I am going to have him replicate the original two-piece design as closely as possible with the raised ribs on each side offset so that the line will "weave" through them. However, they will be made from 316 Stainless Steel to eliminate the risk of galvanic corrosion between the machine screws and the pulleys. It won't be much trouble to machine a few more sets at the same time so if you are interested in purchasing some, send me an email at mfmcgovern@... (mfmcgovern at gmail dot com). I won't have a final cost until we've made the first one but I estimate around US$200 per pulley made from 316 Stainless Steel (+/- ~10%). Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Sludge in fuel tank
greatketch@...
If the only thing in there is "sticky sludge" that adheres to the walls of the tank, then it is important, but not probably not urgent.
If there is a significant amount of water, or other liquid that is NOT fuel then you have an issue both important AND urgent. I am not sure of the piping on the 54, but on a SM you can extend a small diameter hose straight down the diesel fill pipe, and use a hand pump or vacuum oil extractor to get a sample from the very bottom of the tank. If that is clean, you are (most likely) safe for now. If you get a sample that contains water, or anything other than clear fuel, you'll need to get as much of it out as you can. The easiest way to do it is to hire a tank cleaning specialist to do the dirty work. They are available in most places with a high concentration of large boats, and are usually mobile services mounted on a boat. Short of that resource, I have used a manual oil change pump to suck fuel from the bottom of a tank, put it through a good, clean, water separating filter funnel, and put it back. Keep doing it until no more water or "sludge" comes out. Have lots of primary fuel elements handy, and monitor them closely until you can get the tank professionally cleaned. My old boat got its first real tank cleaning as it approached the ripe old age of 40, so if you keep clean fuel going in, you'll get clean fuel out for a long time! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sharongbrown@...> wrote : Hi all, Out Amel 54 is 10 years old, and the fuel tank has never been cleaned. I noticed today from the dip stick gauge that there is a coating of sticky sludge at the bottom off the tank. I have no prior experience of treating this, and am reluctant to try while we are on a mooring buoy. I would appreciate ny advice on a) if this should be addressed urgently and b) how best to do it. Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
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Re: Head sail furling
greatketch@...
Kent,
I hope this doesn't show as a duplicate message, I thought I had responded, but no message has appeared... Before you condemn the internal gearing of the furler gearbox, be sure that the drive pin is engaging in the drive plate. A number of people have reported having the hole enlarge and roundoff, which drives the pin out of engagement. That matches the symptoms you are seeing. We have had that drive plate fracture and totally fail. I have just had our jib furler gearbox completely disassembled for normal maintenance of seals and bearings. It seems very unlikely that the gearing would cause the issues you describe. Mind you "unlikely" is not impossible! We have twice had to use our manual furling system, and never had any trouble with it. Our furling line is standard 10mm double braid polyester line. I wonder if the StaySet is just a little too stiff? I am sure that 7/16" line would not be too large for the drum. Locally, the go-to guys for Amel rigging are Nance and Underwood in Fort Lauderdale. If you needed a new drive plate made, they can do it for sure. Roger Underwood is the guy to get in touch with. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA Back underway tomorrow morning! Finally!
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Re: Engine Repower for Super Maramu
Dan Wilcox
Danny and Miles, thank you for the warning. I greatly appreciate the helping nature of this group, and constantly leverage these conversations get things resolved on Feierabend.
I'll contact Amel to get a little more insight into their warning. The other SM I mentioned (1991 vintage) has had the Yanmar 110hp installed since 2006 with no issues (and was actively used). I have a Maxprop which may provide less stress than a 3 bladed fixed prop? Thanks, Dan SV Feierabend SM#86
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] TMD22 Turbo
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Steve, I have a barely used turbo from a TMD 22 Volvo. I fitted it when I was trying to get the engine to perform to specs. I failed and very soon after replaced the engine. The turbo has been on my shelf since. NZ $500 ( about 320 USD) plus shipping from New Zealand. Money back (less shipping) warranty for functioning on install. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 03 January 2019 at 07:16 "caliber33@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head sail furling
Stephen Davis
Hi Kent, I can’t help you with expertise in the area you are in, but if you are willing to backtrack to St Augustine, you can get some help. We had some work performed at St Augustine Marine in 2015, and they have a good rigger there who removed and rebuilt my headsail furler. His name is Andrew, he is still working there, and I’d trust him to do the work. In our case, the shaft and bronze gear were in good shape, but he replaced every seal in the unit, put it back together, and re-installed on the boat. I’m on my way back to Hawaii from Florida tomorrow. I have a new bronze gear and stainless shaft for the furler, and would be willing to ship to you if needed. I would need you to get me replacements within a few months, as I don’t want to give up my spares. Also, I have a list of the all the seal sizes for the furler on my boat I can send you. With a little luck, Maude has some spares on the shelf to send you. Another option should be to take my new ones to a machine shop for duplication, and then send mine back to me. Let me know if any of this will help you out. Happy New Year, Steve Aloha SM 72 Hawaii
On Jan 2, 2019, at 12:31, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Engine Repower for Super Maramu
Miles
Hi Dan,
I also repowered two years ago with a Volvo Penta D2-75 after Amel warned me not to go to 110 hp. The D2-75 has a much broader torque curve and feels more powerful than the old engine. It is also very smooth and quiet and fuel efficient.
Smooth sailing,
Miles
s/y Ladybug sm 216, Martinique
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