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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

Ian Townsend
 

Duane, if you've exhausted all other options (and it seems you might have) and are looking at a replacement unit, we installed three 10,000BTU 50/60Hz Webasto units last year. Though it's only been 12 months, they've had plenty of use. We are pleased with them so far. Let me know if you want more info.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA

On Oct 9, 2018, at 1:48 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane,

 

I would suggest you contact Ian and Margaret on Loca Lola II, they just did a ton of research on AC to outfit their boat. Ian is the new expert.

 

As and added two cents, I would shop stores other than Coastal Climate Control for your AC needs. I have had multiple issues with them after the sale.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

 

 

I had a problem earlier this year with the heater not working, so I replaced the three smaller capacitors and it began working again.

 

Then when it got to the summer, the AC stopped working - the compressor would not start.  I rechecked the capacitors, and all were within spec.  I decided to have a tech work on it and when we turned on the power to the unit it immediately tripped the boat breaker - this was new - before the unit just wouldn't start.  The other two units run fine, so I don't think it's the dock power.

 

The technician checked for a short to the compressor case, which he said was the leading cause of tripping the breaker, but there was no short.  He recommended a new unit as more cost effective than repair.  As he was leaving he recommended I check the power coming to the unit to be sure the short wasn't in the power supply.

 

I checked the breaker and have continuity when on and none when off.  I took the wires off the AC and the breaker and the wires have continuity, so no broken wires.  I put the wires back on the breaker and checked continuity at the AC unit with the breaker on (and power off) and that's fine.  With the power wires disconnected from the unit and the breaker and power ON nothing trips the breaker.



In an earlier thread, several people recommended the thermostat as the problem, the tech opined that if it were the problem, it would not trip the breaker.

 

Any other ideas for troubleshooting?  I've read that the relays sometimes fail, are they the clear plastic enclosed things in the box with the capacitors?

 

Coastal Climate Control quotes a replacement Climma 9EH at $3,228.  They also sell "Marinaire" brand, a 9,000BTU unit is quoted at $1,399 but it's a 60HZ unit.  What other brands have you replaced this with?

 

Thanks,

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

CW Bill Rouse
 

For what it is worth:
There are many causes of a short or ground-fault causing this symptom. The ones I know about are in order of probability, followed by a possible solution:
  1. There is a wire inside the control box grounding to the case. This is possible because you have been inside the control box - Check very carefully
  2. There are two more capacitors that you did not change...they are the compressor start and run capacitors - Change them
  3. Corrosion on the Main Control PCB - clean and use CorrosionX
  4. Corrosion on the PCB on the ON/OFF thermostat module  - test by removing small green/yellow wire (EARTH) on the metal frame of the thermostat module, taking appropriate safety precautions...if you don't know how to safely do this, don't do it. If the AC stops tripping, there is a short in the  thermostat module and it is probably caused by corrosion - clean and use corrosionX
  5. Short in the Blower Unit - replace the blower about $375 
  6. Sort in the Compressor unit - Buy a new AC.
If I had completed 1-4 above, without success, I would buy the Blower Unit. Even if it changing the blower with a new one didn't solve your problem, you will have 2 more chances of using it.😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:26 PM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Mark.


Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A54 bilge pump capacity

CW Bill Rouse
 

OK, here goes, and I apologize for the LOOOONG reply.

PUMPS
The last gray water pumps that Amel installed were Reya, but that is because Reya bought the company that made the Marina ZZ pump. It has a rated capacity of 30 liters/min 1800 liter/hour. Reya no longer sells this Marina ZZ. This pump was the Amel OEM pump installed on most SMs and all 54s.

A good replacement for the above is: Vetus WASTE PUMP, 24V SKU: EMP14024B Self-priming pump designed to prevent blockages when pumping water with solids. Rated at 27 l/min. LINK: https://www.vetus.com/en/waste-water-bilge-pump-24-v.html
OR, Johnson Pumps 10-13373-08 Viking Power 32 Vacuum Pump, 24V Rated at 32 liters/min LINK: https://www.pumpvendor.com/Johnson_10-13373-08.html

Both of the above pumps are diaphragm type pumps and rated for waste water containing solids...this is important.

The manual pump is also rated at 30 liters/minute

INSURANCE
Of course these guys know nothing and don't understand that you do not have a common bilge and that you have watertight compartments. It may be difficult to educate them, so I suggest that you buy this pump. Have a long electrical cord and discharge hose. Have it ready to deploy. AND, you can use it to pump out your freshwater tank when cleaning: Rule 1100 GPH Non-Automatic, Bilge Pump, Submersible LINK: https://www.amazon.com/Rule-28D-Marine-Non-Automatic-Submersible/dp/B002FVQ19Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1539110040&sr=8-3&keywords=rule%2Bsubmersible%2B24%2Bvolt&dpID=4177GgOsf7L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&th=1&psc=1

Good luck with your insurance company. I was able to educate Velos Insurance UK.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:29 AM 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

Could anyone pls confirm the flow of the A54 bilge pump? it is a REYA tipo Marina.
We have seen in a separate thread that the SM one is rated 75L/min (~19GPM), and same for the manual.
Wondering if the SM and A54 share the same specs, and same combined bilge pumping capacity (yes, over the 25GPM required by some insurances...)

Thanks

Soraya
GARULFO A54-122
Spanish Waters, Curacao
Re: Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

I'd also check the capacitor in the A/C pump (10 Mf). I've actually had the same symptoms and even 2 units working while 1 trips the breaker.......with the cause being a slowly dying capacitor in the the A/C pump.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

sailor63109@...
 

Thanks Mark.

Duane
Re: Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

sailor63109@...
 

Tom,

Could you explain your issue on the control unit?

Thanks,
Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

Danny Simms
 

Hi,
I replaced my TMD 22 (perkins) with the Volvo D2 75. Amel told me not to increase HP as my C drive was not built for it (SM 299) When later models were fitted with the 110 hp the C drive was up graded. Check with Amel yourself for your model. While the new motor functions perfectly the replacement process is expensive. In retrospect I would overhaul the old motor in preference. There is a whole lot of stuff to replace with the new motor over and above the motor itself and the Perkins is a great unit..
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 20:04, davi.rozgonyi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey all.... So I'm repowering my SM and have been presented (maybe) with two options: Complete overhaul and rebuild/rebore of the original Perkins Prima 80T (80 horses) or dropping in the Volvo D3 out of a 54 (110 hp). I know they're completely different beasts, and I'd love the extra HP, but am also more interested in absolute reliability. The Volvo is claimed to run perfectly by people I trust (the future rebuilder of the Perkins and the previous owner of my boat, who is probably reading this and who has been nothing but 1000% honest with me). 


I've done some research and read that Volvos dont seem much desired and/or finicky and/or expensive to fix. BUT that's a lotta extra juice :) My question: Is it worth the squeeze? 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

Thomas Peacock
 

Our AC in the V-berth died this summer. After some research, we replaced it with a Webasto (German) 10,000 BTU, 220 volts, both 50 and 60 Hertz. It seems to be working well. The heat is from the compressor, not resistance like the Climma was. The fit was very tight but doable. The control unit does not perfectly match the old unit, I am still working on that. Total cost was US$ 1,635. So far so good!

Tom Peacock 
Aletes #240
Rock Hall. Maryland 


On Oct 9, 2018, at 1:48 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane,

 

I would suggest you contact Ian and Margaret on Loca Lola II, they just did a ton of research on AC to outfit their boat. Ian is the new expert.

 

As and added two cents, I would shop stores other than Coastal Climate Control for your AC needs. I have had multiple issues with them after the sale.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

 

 

I had a problem earlier this year with the heater not working, so I replaced the three smaller capacitors and it began working again.

 

Then when it got to the summer, the AC stopped working - the compressor would not start.  I rechecked the capacitors, and all were within spec.  I decided to have a tech work on it and when we turned on the power to the unit it immediately tripped the boat breaker - this was new - before the unit just wouldn't start.  The other two units run fine, so I don't think it's the dock power.

 

The technician checked for a short to the compressor case, which he said was the leading cause of tripping the breaker, but there was no short.  He recommended a new unit as more cost effective than repair.  As he was leaving he recommended I check the power coming to the unit to be sure the short wasn't in the power supply.

 

I checked the breaker and have continuity when on and none when off.  I took the wires off the AC and the breaker and the wires have continuity, so no broken wires.  I put the wires back on the breaker and checked continuity at the AC unit with the breaker on (and power off) and that's fine.  With the power wires disconnected from the unit and the breaker and power ON nothing trips the breaker.



In an earlier thread, several people recommended the thermostat as the problem, the tech opined that if it were the problem, it would not trip the breaker.

 

Any other ideas for troubleshooting?  I've read that the relays sometimes fail, are they the clear plastic enclosed things in the box with the capacitors?

 

Coastal Climate Control quotes a replacement Climma 9EH at $3,228.  They also sell "Marinaire" brand, a 9,000BTU unit is quoted at $1,399 but it's a 60HZ unit.  What other brands have you replaced this with?

 

Thanks,

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

I would suggest you contact Ian and Margaret on Loca Lola II, they just did a ton of research on AC to outfit their boat. Ian is the new expert.

 

As and added two cents, I would shop stores other than Coastal Climate Control for your AC needs. I have had multiple issues with them after the sale.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

 

 

I had a problem earlier this year with the heater not working, so I replaced the three smaller capacitors and it began working again.

 

Then when it got to the summer, the AC stopped working - the compressor would not start.  I rechecked the capacitors, and all were within spec.  I decided to have a tech work on it and when we turned on the power to the unit it immediately tripped the boat breaker - this was new - before the unit just wouldn't start.  The other two units run fine, so I don't think it's the dock power.

 

The technician checked for a short to the compressor case, which he said was the leading cause of tripping the breaker, but there was no short.  He recommended a new unit as more cost effective than repair.  As he was leaving he recommended I check the power coming to the unit to be sure the short wasn't in the power supply.

 

I checked the breaker and have continuity when on and none when off.  I took the wires off the AC and the breaker and the wires have continuity, so no broken wires.  I put the wires back on the breaker and checked continuity at the AC unit with the breaker on (and power off) and that's fine.  With the power wires disconnected from the unit and the breaker and power ON nothing trips the breaker.



In an earlier thread, several people recommended the thermostat as the problem, the tech opined that if it were the problem, it would not trip the breaker.

 

Any other ideas for troubleshooting?  I've read that the relays sometimes fail, are they the clear plastic enclosed things in the box with the capacitors?

 

Coastal Climate Control quotes a replacement Climma 9EH at $3,228.  They also sell "Marinaire" brand, a 9,000BTU unit is quoted at $1,399 but it's a 60HZ unit.  What other brands have you replaced this with?

 

Thanks,

Duane
Climma AC - Breaker Tripping - New unit recommendations?

sailor63109@...
 

I had a problem earlier this year with the heater not working, so I replaced the three smaller capacitors and it began working again.


Then when it got to the summer, the AC stopped working - the compressor would not start.  I rechecked the capacitors, and all were within spec.  I decided to have a tech work on it and when we turned on the power to the unit it immediately tripped the boat breaker - this was new - before the unit just wouldn't start.  The other two units run fine, so I don't think it's the dock power.


The technician checked for a short to the compressor case, which he said was the leading cause of tripping the breaker, but there was no short.  He recommended a new unit as more cost effective than repair.  As he was leaving he recommended I check the power coming to the unit to be sure the short wasn't in the power supply.


I checked the breaker and have continuity when on and none when off.  I took the wires off the AC and the breaker and the wires have continuity, so no broken wires.  I put the wires back on the breaker and checked continuity at the AC unit with the breaker on (and power off) and that's fine.  With the power wires disconnected from the unit and the breaker and power ON nothing trips the breaker.


In an earlier thread, several people recommended the thermostat as the problem, the tech opined that if it were the problem, it would not trip the breaker.


Any other ideas for troubleshooting?  I've read that the relays sometimes fail, are they the clear plastic enclosed things in the box with the capacitors?


Coastal Climate Control quotes a replacement Climma 9EH at $3,228.  They also sell "Marinaire" brand, a 9,000BTU unit is quoted at $1,399 but it's a 60HZ unit.  What other brands have you replaced this with?


Thanks,

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

Ryan Meador
 

Thank you all for the very valuable info.  Lots of food for thought.  I'd still like to hear from anyone who has used the marine weather function while at sea.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:36 AM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

This may help: https://theboatgalley.com/weather-on-the-delorme-inreach/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Paul and Mark,

 

Thank you!  The InReach sounds great!  I don't know how I missed that in my earlier searches.  How is the signal inside the boat?  It doesn't seem to have an external antenna option, which I hear is basically required with the IridiumGo.  Also, are the "premium" marine forecasts any good?  Can you use them for route planning?  Can you see them on the paired mobile app on your phone, or only on the device itself?

 

Project Fi is also a great idea... I recently upgraded my T-Mobile plan to one that allows unlimited everything internationally, but the data speed isn't great outside the US.  Project Fi might be both faster and cheaper, and my existing phone is capable.  I think I could also get a second SIM for the boat to use when we're in range.  Also, I hear Google is going to launch the new Pixel 3 tomorrow.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:15 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

We have several choices aboard Cream Puff:

 

·        InReach – we love it and have the unlimited text plan. It works best when synced to a smart-phone or tablet. Texting becomes much easier then. Friends can track us in real time.

·        SSB/Pactor/Sail Mail – Once the initial investment is made into the equipment, this is the least expensive way to get forecasts and email at sea.

·        Iridium 9555 Satellite Phone – This is a stupid expensive communication device but much easier to use than the SSB. We use it mostly for data. We keep a plan that is called an emergency plan. We pay high cost per minute when we use it (which is rarely). This keeps the phone active withut having to buy pre-paid minutes. In the past we purchased minutes but they just expired and were wasted. We use it as a modem (no need for IridiumGo). They have a PC download you can use to set the phone up as a modem. It is not hard to do. It is mostly connected to the ship’s computer where we can download weather using our TimeZero navigations software. A complete 7 day forecast takes about 5 minutes and about $7.50. This setup eliminates the need for IridiumGo. The 9555 set-up is basically a back up to the SSB.

 

In addition to at sea communication devices look into a Google Project Fi phone while you are still in the USA. It works in 170+ countries. When you land in a port, turn on the cell phone and you will have instant internet and cell service without have to visit local cell providers. If you do not use the phone then you do not pay for the data. We have had this for about 6 months now and love it. Our lowest monthly bill is about $20. Our highest maximum bill allowed is $80 if we use a ton of data. They do not throttle you back if you use a lot of data.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 5:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Hi all,

 

As Kelly and I prepare to go cruising, we're investigating all the possibilities for communication while at sea.  Is there an alternative to WLO, which has recently gone out of business?

 

It seems the IridiumGo is the go-to solution for this, but we'd like to avoid buying more equipment if possible.  For weather, we can probably get by with weatherfax and listening to the forecasts.  It would be nice to have some way to contact folks back home.  I'm aware of SailMail, but it requires a Pactor modem, so if that is the only option we'd go with the Iridium.


Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, Why don't you check between the windlass and rail with a meter both ways , see if you get a voltage reading. What about running a wire from the neg. and then pos. side in the battery bank to your meter up at the windlass and again using the meter ,see if you have a reading ,also check the railing.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2018 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass

 
Ok, thanks Bill and Bill.  Going to check it out tomorrow.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Oct 6, 2018, at 4:50 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent,

If there was no AC shore power connected, then that makes things a lot simpler--and safer.

24 Volts DC will normally not give enough current flow through the human body to notice. With very sweat-wet skin I have felt feel what might best be called a "tingle," not anything I'd call a "jolt" although it can be surprising.  

You can certainly put one hand on each terminal of a 24 Volt battery and not feel a thing, because your body has a far higher resistance than that wrench shorted across those same terminals.

Anything less than 50 Volts is normally considered "safe" for people.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
A54 bilge pump capacity

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

Could anyone pls confirm the flow of the A54 bilge pump? it is a REYA tipo Marina.
We have seen in a separate thread that the SM one is rated 75L/min (~19GPM), and same for the manual.
Wondering if the SM and A54 share the same specs, and same combined bilge pumping capacity (yes, over the 25GPM required by some insurances...)

Thanks

Soraya
GARULFO A54-122
Spanish Waters, Curacao
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

Mark Erdos
 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

This may help: https://theboatgalley.com/weather-on-the-delorme-inreach/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Paul and Mark,

 

Thank you!  The InReach sounds great!  I don't know how I missed that in my earlier searches.  How is the signal inside the boat?  It doesn't seem to have an external antenna option, which I hear is basically required with the IridiumGo.  Also, are the "premium" marine forecasts any good?  Can you use them for route planning?  Can you see them on the paired mobile app on your phone, or only on the device itself?

 

Project Fi is also a great idea... I recently upgraded my T-Mobile plan to one that allows unlimited everything internationally, but the data speed isn't great outside the US.  Project Fi might be both faster and cheaper, and my existing phone is capable.  I think I could also get a second SIM for the boat to use when we're in range.  Also, I hear Google is going to launch the new Pixel 3 tomorrow.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:15 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

We have several choices aboard Cream Puff:

 

·        InReach – we love it and have the unlimited text plan. It works best when synced to a smart-phone or tablet. Texting becomes much easier then. Friends can track us in real time.

·        SSB/Pactor/Sail Mail – Once the initial investment is made into the equipment, this is the least expensive way to get forecasts and email at sea.

·        Iridium 9555 Satellite Phone – This is a stupid expensive communication device but much easier to use than the SSB. We use it mostly for data. We keep a plan that is called an emergency plan. We pay high cost per minute when we use it (which is rarely). This keeps the phone active withut having to buy pre-paid minutes. In the past we purchased minutes but they just expired and were wasted. We use it as a modem (no need for IridiumGo). They have a PC download you can use to set the phone up as a modem. It is not hard to do. It is mostly connected to the ship’s computer where we can download weather using our TimeZero navigations software. A complete 7 day forecast takes about 5 minutes and about $7.50. This setup eliminates the need for IridiumGo. The 9555 set-up is basically a back up to the SSB.

 

In addition to at sea communication devices look into a Google Project Fi phone while you are still in the USA. It works in 170+ countries. When you land in a port, turn on the cell phone and you will have instant internet and cell service without have to visit local cell providers. If you do not use the phone then you do not pay for the data. We have had this for about 6 months now and love it. Our lowest monthly bill is about $20. Our highest maximum bill allowed is $80 if we use a ton of data. They do not throttle you back if you use a lot of data.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 5:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Hi all,

 

As Kelly and I prepare to go cruising, we're investigating all the possibilities for communication while at sea.  Is there an alternative to WLO, which has recently gone out of business?

 

It seems the IridiumGo is the go-to solution for this, but we'd like to avoid buying more equipment if possible.  For weather, we can probably get by with weatherfax and listening to the forecasts.  It would be nice to have some way to contact folks back home.  I'm aware of SailMail, but it requires a Pactor modem, so if that is the only option we'd go with the Iridium.


Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

CW Bill Rouse
 

Davi,

You should be absolutely 100% positive that whatever you do, the complete engine and attached components are "isolated ground." 

There is probably a 30% chance that you will regret using a D3. This engine is a modified automotive engine, that since about 2006, when Volvo introduced the D3, it has been modified by Volvo 8 times. Some D3s have been replaced at the owner's expense because Volvo couldn't determine why it wouldn't start. Yes, hard to believe, but true.

 Look at Yanmar, but BE SURE that you also install the isolation ground kit, either from Amel or Yanmar. This must be done!

If it were me, I would rebuild what you have.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 06:57 Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I agree with Mark!

Don’t put a Volvo D3 is your boat. 
For many reasons. 
Rebuild the Perkins would be my vote. 

Porter
A54-152 Volvo D3 owner. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 9, 2018, at 6:43 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My vote would be to keep the Perkins. We had a Perkins on a previous boat and it ran like a champ. It was easy to get parts and easy to work on. Anything with a turbo charger has no place on a boat. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

 

 

Hey all.... So I'm repowering my SM and have been presented (maybe) with two options: Complete overhaul and rebuild/rebore of the original Perkins Prima 80T (80 horses) or dropping in the Volvo D3 out of a 54 (110 hp). I know they're completely different beasts, and I'd love the extra HP, but am also more interested in absolute reliability. The Volvo is claimed to run perfectly by people I trust (the future rebuilder of the Perkins and the previous owner of my boat, who is probably reading this and who has been nothing but 1000% honest with me). 

 

I've done some research and read that Volvos dont seem much desired and/or finicky and/or expensive to fix. BUT that's a lotta extra juice :) My question: Is it worth the squeeze? 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] model number of CAT pump on watermaker.

CW Bill Rouse
 

Heinz,

Why are you ordering a 3-phase electric motor? You need to check this carefully. Your generator is single phase, so is shore power except if you have a very large yacht.

The CAT pump you are ordering is NOT the original OEM pump.

I will send you some information on the motor and pump later today.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 06:49 Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello all

 

After the manufacturer of my duo 160 L had offered me a price of 1350,00 Euro + 750,00 Euro = 2100,00 Euro for the delivery in Panama only for the 220 V engine, I decided to contact CAT - Pumps with the request to make me an offer for a pump with 220 V engine.

 

I received the following offer.

1 CAT PUMPS high pressure plunger pump Model: 3CP1231, Pump head: stainless steel, Seal material: NBR, Plunger: Ceramic, Flow rate: 7.5 l/min, Operating pressure: 140 bar, Speed: 1420 min-1

Drive: direct, by means of elastic clutch, the pump is controlled by a pump support flange-mounted to the engine

Motor: three-phase motor 2.2 kW 4-pole, 3~230/400 V - 50 Hz, Building..: B34 Insulation class: F, Protection class IP55

IP55

Pump-motor-unit completely mounted on

Base plate (stainless steel) with rubber-bonded metals at the Underside.

Total 1492,00 Euro.

 

That  is a big  difference.

I have now ordered a similar engine in Berlin, which I will take with me in the plane to Panama. It costs 350,00 Euro.

If the pump has to be replaced I will reorder it.

I will let you know if this works.

 

Fair Winds

Heinz Stutenbäumer SM 2000, 292
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Here is a Google Fi discount code...it will save you $20 and I'll get $20. I have used it for 2 years. It's great.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 06:36 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

When the InReach is inside the boat, we have it on a suction hook attached to the window in the salon. Not only does this add to the décor but works well using this method. Once the InReach is synced to a device you basically don’t need to touch the InReach unit. I don’t use InReach for weather so I can’t comment of that part of your question. It can be done on the phone or tablet app: https://youtu.be/5rDY2bIUOwc

 

As an FYI, after you are out of the USA for a couple of months, T-Mobil will cut you off. In the mice type of their plan they say it is for temporary international travel. We have know several cruisers how were left high and dry by T-Mobil..

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Paul and Mark,

 

Thank you!  The InReach sounds great!  I don't know how I missed that in my earlier searches.  How is the signal inside the boat?  It doesn't seem to have an external antenna option, which I hear is basically required with the IridiumGo.  Also, are the "premium" marine forecasts any good?  Can you use them for route planning?  Can you see them on the paired mobile app on your phone, or only on the device itself?

 

Project Fi is also a great idea... I recently upgraded my T-Mobile plan to one that allows unlimited everything internationally, but the data speed isn't great outside the US.  Project Fi might be both faster and cheaper, and my existing phone is capable.  I think I could also get a second SIM for the boat to use when we're in range.  Also, I hear Google is going to launch the new Pixel 3 tomorrow.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:15 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ryan and Kelly,

 

We have several choices aboard Cream Puff:

 

·        InReach – we love it and have the unlimited text plan. It works best when synced to a smart-phone or tablet. Texting becomes much easier then. Friends can track us in real time.

·        SSB/Pactor/Sail Mail – Once the initial investment is made into the equipment, this is the least expensive way to get forecasts and email at sea.

·        Iridium 9555 Satellite Phone – This is a stupid expensive communication device but much easier to use than the SSB. We use it mostly for data. We keep a plan that is called an emergency plan. We pay high cost per minute when we use it (which is rarely). This keeps the phone active withut having to buy pre-paid minutes. In the past we purchased minutes but they just expired and were wasted. We use it as a modem (no need for IridiumGo). They have a PC download you can use to set the phone up as a modem. It is not hard to do. It is mostly connected to the ship’s computer where we can download weather using our TimeZero navigations software. A complete 7 day forecast takes about 5 minutes and about $7.50. This setup eliminates the need for IridiumGo. The 9555 set-up is basically a back up to the SSB.

 

In addition to at sea communication devices look into a Google Project Fi phone while you are still in the USA. It works in 170+ countries. When you land in a port, turn on the cell phone and you will have instant internet and cell service without have to visit local cell providers. If you do not use the phone then you do not pay for the data. We have had this for about 6 months now and love it. Our lowest monthly bill is about $20. Our highest maximum bill allowed is $80 if we use a ton of data. They do not throttle you back if you use a lot of data.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 5:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] alternative to WLO for SSB ship-to-shore communication?

 

 

Hi all,

 

As Kelly and I prepare to go cruising, we're investigating all the possibilities for communication while at sea.  Is there an alternative to WLO, which has recently gone out of business?

 

It seems the IridiumGo is the go-to solution for this, but we'd like to avoid buying more equipment if possible.  For weather, we can probably get by with weatherfax and listening to the forecasts.  It would be nice to have some way to contact folks back home.  I'm aware of SailMail, but it requires a Pactor modem, so if that is the only option we'd go with the Iridium.


Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

Porter McRoberts
 

I agree with Mark!
Don’t put a Volvo D3 is your boat. 
For many reasons. 
Rebuild the Perkins would be my vote. 

Porter
A54-152 Volvo D3 owner. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 9, 2018, at 6:43 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My vote would be to keep the Perkins. We had a Perkins on a previous boat and it ran like a champ. It was easy to get parts and easy to work on. Anything with a turbo charger has no place on a boat. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Aruba

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

 

 

Hey all.... So I'm repowering my SM and have been presented (maybe) with two options: Complete overhaul and rebuild/rebore of the original Perkins Prima 80T (80 horses) or dropping in the Volvo D3 out of a 54 (110 hp). I know they're completely different beasts, and I'd love the extra HP, but am also more interested in absolute reliability. The Volvo is claimed to run perfectly by people I trust (the future rebuilder of the Perkins and the previous owner of my boat, who is probably reading this and who has been nothing but 1000% honest with me). 

 

I've done some research and read that Volvos dont seem much desired and/or finicky and/or expensive to fix. BUT that's a lotta extra juice :) My question: Is it worth the squeeze? 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] model number of CAT pump on watermaker.

Heinz Stutenbäumer <heinz@...>
 

Hello all

 

After the manufacturer of my duo 160 L had offered me a price of 1350,00 Euro + 750,00 Euro = 2100,00 Euro for the delivery in Panama only for the 220 V engine, I decided to contact CAT - Pumps with the request to make me an offer for a pump with 220 V engine.

 

I received the following offer.

1 CAT PUMPS high pressure plunger pump Model: 3CP1231, Pump head: stainless steel, Seal material: NBR, Plunger: Ceramic, Flow rate: 7.5 l/min, Operating pressure: 140 bar, Speed: 1420 min-1

Drive: direct, by means of elastic clutch, the pump is controlled by a pump support flange-mounted to the engine

Motor: three-phase motor 2.2 kW 4-pole, 3~230/400 V - 50 Hz, Building..: B34 Insulation class: F, Protection class IP55

IP55

Pump-motor-unit completely mounted on

Base plate (stainless steel) with rubber-bonded metals at the Underside.

Total 1492,00 Euro.

 

That  is a big  difference.

I have now ordered a similar engine in Berlin, which I will take with me in the plane to Panama. It costs 350,00 Euro.

If the pump has to be replaced I will reorder it.

I will let you know if this works.

 

Fair Winds

Heinz Stutenbäumer SM 2000, 292
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repowering: Good running Volvo D3 or rebuild Perkins Prima 80T??

karkauai
 

I had nothing but problems with my Volvo TMD, I am ecstatic with my 4 y/o Yanmar 4JH4HTE 110HP.  The fit required some shims, but nothing complicated.

I strongly suggest an engine that’s “old-school”, that you can work on...no computer, only sensors are gear and oil pressure.

I repowered in Puerto Rico after having the Volvo guru of the Caribbean (Danny Ramos in Fajardo) diagnose a cracked block on the old Volvo.  When I told him I planned to sail to the S Pacific, he suggested and installed the Yanmar.  He said parts and good Volvo mechanics are hard to find and expensive.  I found that true in the mid-Atlantic states and throughout the Caribbean, too.

Why isn’t Yanmar an option?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2018, at 3:03 AM, davi.rozgonyi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey all.... So I'm repowering my SM and have been presented (maybe) with two options: Complete overhaul and rebuild/rebore of the original Perkins Prima 80T (80 horses) or dropping in the Volvo D3 out of a 54 (110 hp). I know they're completely different beasts, and I'd love the extra HP, but am also more interested in absolute reliability. The Volvo is claimed to run perfectly by people I trust (the future rebuilder of the Perkins and the previous owner of my boat, who is probably reading this and who has been nothing but 1000% honest with me). 


I've done some research and read that Volvos dont seem much desired and/or finicky and/or expensive to fix. BUT that's a lotta extra juice :) My question: Is it worth the squeeze? 
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