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Re: Bow thruster trouble shoot - help needed

Rob Andrews
 

Thank you Bill R & Bill K,

Jaygo (SM#224) does have the aluminium control box as described by Bill R.  It is very similar to Eric's SM#158.  I inspected the micro-switches and they seemed to be clean, and appeared to be switching correctly on the cambered rod when raised and lowered.  Amazingly, the act of me just opening that control box and inspecting the inside somehow miraculously solved the issue and the BT then began to operate as normal again.  I suspect that possibly one of those switches may have temporarily jammed due to relative infrequent use of the BT.  All other connections were clean and corrosion free.  Thanks again for your help, as well as the two other members that reached out to me offline.  I now have a much better understanding of yet another system on our Amel.  Happy Days.

--
Rob & Dee
SV Jaygo.
SM#224
Currently cruising the Great Barrier Reef, Australia


Re: Cherry D45X micro switch for Bowtruster #replacement

EricOpdeweegh
 

Will do Bill.
This is going to be off value to all of the SM owners with this type of bowtruster Pcb.
I am surprised it has not been an issue solved earlier.

Regards 
Eric
Sv Abayomi
SM158

Op 26 jul. 2022 om 00:31 heeft CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> het volgende geschreven:


Eric Opdeweegh,

Mal gave you some good advice. When you find the actual part number and its source, please post it in the Group and CC me.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 5:16 PM Mal Lawrence <mal19lawrence@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

CHERRY is now ZF, exactly the same Micro Switches.
I did a bit of study and the Manufactures Code Should be D459-P4RA?
Contact RS Components they should be able to help you further (help all of US as this could be a new common replacement switch once we find the RS Part Number).
ZF State not all combinations are available, that code is just what i worked out myself from your Switch number and the ZF Data Sheet it's not on RS website, but if available they could order it in as RS obviously wont hold all the 1,000's of different Micro Switches!
The type you are after with those connectors is called 'PCB Terminal' for Printed Circuit Boards.

Just for example to show you a PCB Micro Switch (*this switch is Wrong Amperage and it doesn't have the Roller Lever)
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064228
Just for Example this is the Short Roller Lever, you just need this switch with PCB Terminals and you're laughing:) 
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064284

Let us know how you get on;)


Re: Cherry D45X micro switch for Bowtruster #replacement

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Mal, 
Thank you for the valueble information and heads-up.
I will contact RS and let you all know if we can order this specific one (maybe even for the group)

Regards 
Eric
Sv Abayomi
SM 158

Op 26 jul. 2022 om 00:16 heeft Mal Lawrence <mal19lawrence@...> het volgende geschreven:



[Edited Message Follows]

CHERRY is now ZF, exactly the same Micro Switches.
I did a bit of study and the Manufactures Code Should be D459-P4RA?
Contact RS Components they should be able to help you further (help all of US as this could be a new common replacement switch once we find the RS Part Number).
ZF State not all combinations are available, that code is just what i worked out myself from your Switch number and the ZF Data Sheet it's not on RS website, but if available they could order it in as RS obviously wont hold all the 1,000's of different Micro Switches!
The type you are after with those connectors is called 'PCB Terminal' for Printed Circuit Boards.

Just for example to show you a PCB Micro Switch (*this switch is Wrong Amperage and it doesn't have the Roller Lever)
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064228
Just for Example this is the Short Roller Lever, you just need this switch with PCB Terminals and you're laughing:) 
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064284

Let us know how you get on;)


Re: Removing Interphase thru-hull ?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, yes a later model colour Interphase. I will answer your next question. Does it work. Depends on what you expect. The one I got does forward plus sideways as an option. I never use the sideways. If you want 100 meters forward easy to read totally accurate scan. No. Biggest problem is surface clutter. However if you expect something to add to the inventory of tools to use yes. Eyes, chart plotter depth sounder charts plus forward scan.
I find it is important to get the settings right, range, sensitivity. Get those right and it is a helpful tool. Sensitivity too high and the surface clutter gets worse. Once you learn the right settings and learn to read it it is good.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 26/07/2022 13:48 Paul via groups.io <paulguenette@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,

Did you replace it with another forward scanning sonar ?

thanks

Paul
SM2000 - 444
Aramis
Port Townsend, Washington 


Re: Removing Interphase thru-hull ?

Paul
 

Hi Danny,

Did you replace it with another forward scanning sonar ?

thanks

Paul
SM2000 - 444
Aramis
Port Townsend, Washington 


Re: Removing Interphase thru-hull ?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, ours was removed to be replaced with a newer model. It was on insurance so fitters did the job. They cut the external section off and then used a hole saw from the outside to release the thru hull section. Then they inserted the new transducer. I wasn't doing the job so I don't know what they used to seat the new one. I would assume a sikaflex. 7 or 8 years ago and no leaking or any issues. It was quickly done.
Kind regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 26/07/2022 11:43 Paul via groups.io <paulguenette@...> wrote:


Hello,

I would like to remove the original, (2004),  Interphase thru-hull transducer, (while I am hauled out).

I am wondering if anyone else has completed this task ?  

Tips, tricks, advice, warnings, …. ?

thank you in advance.

Paul Guenette
Aramis
SM 2000 - 444
Port Townsend, Washington



Re: Using water tank for fridge cooling circuit

Teun BAAS
 

Morning Ruedi,

 

I am discussing your set up with the technicians/Company who are going to replace all the CORIAN in my galley and since everything is open I am also looking replacing (as Arno did) the front door fridge with a 2 drawer type unit.

 

Did you have to create additional ventilation for the air cooled compressor under the FRIGOBOAT door unit?

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply 😊

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

July 26, 2022 11:10:11

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2022 18:47
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Using water tank for fridge cooling circuit

 

Hi Nick

 

We changed /converted the Galley “Front door Fridge” to be Air-cooled (Air cooled compressor).  Working well since years, also with 37 degree ambient temp.

We are very happy with this setup, and consequently:

  • less running hours on the water-cooled system (top loading fridge/freezer) and NO coolant pump problems since 5 years.
    • Existing original Frigoboat pump running full year for more than 5 (maybe 7 or 10 years?) w/o any issue!
  • we can keep the front loading fridge running also hauled out.

Ruedi

WASABI – A54 #55

Otranto

 


Removing Interphase thru-hull ?

Paul
 

Hello,

I would like to remove the original, (2004),  Interphase thru-hull transducer, (while I am hauled out).

I am wondering if anyone else has completed this task ?  

Tips, tricks, advice, warnings, …. ?

thank you in advance.

Paul Guenette
Aramis
SM 2000 - 444
Port Townsend, Washington



Re: Cherry D45X micro switch for Bowtruster #replacement

 

Eric Opdeweegh,

Mal gave you some good advice. When you find the actual part number and its source, please post it in the Group and CC me.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 5:16 PM Mal Lawrence <mal19lawrence@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

CHERRY is now ZF, exactly the same Micro Switches.
I did a bit of study and the Manufactures Code Should be D459-P4RA?
Contact RS Components they should be able to help you further (help all of US as this could be a new common replacement switch once we find the RS Part Number).
ZF State not all combinations are available, that code is just what i worked out myself from your Switch number and the ZF Data Sheet it's not on RS website, but if available they could order it in as RS obviously wont hold all the 1,000's of different Micro Switches!
The type you are after with those connectors is called 'PCB Terminal' for Printed Circuit Boards.

Just for example to show you a PCB Micro Switch (*this switch is Wrong Amperage and it doesn't have the Roller Lever)
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064228
Just for Example this is the Short Roller Lever, you just need this switch with PCB Terminals and you're laughing:) 
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/microswitches/7064284

Let us know how you get on;)


Re: Bow thruster trouble shoot - help needed

 

SM 224 probably has the early control box with a microswitch inside the control box. If that microswitch is defective or misaligned it will manifest this problem. There were some really good photos posted earlier today of this control box in this message: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/64726

here is a not-as-good photo of the micro switch inside the aluminum control box:
image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:00 AM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Rob,

Based on your description of the problem, we can eliminate all of the mechanical issues, and the high current 24V supply since you CAN get the motor to run by shorting the relay contacts.

We can pretty much eliminate the relays themselves, since the chances of BOTH relays failing is so remote as to not be worth considering.

The joystick switch supplies power to the coil side of the two relays on separate wires.  Again, the unlikely failure of BOTH wires would be required to disable the BT in both directions.

That pretty much leaves the negative wire that returns the current from both coils to the battery as the only point of failure I can see. Based on your troubleshooting so far, that is the next place I would look.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada


Re: Storage hot water system

Craig Briggs
 

I had an on-demand propane unit in the head on a prior boat. Worked great although the temperature control was a bit coarse. Only a few people were asphyxiated by these units.
--
Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Bow thruster trouble shoot - help needed

Bill Kinney
 

Rob,

Based on your description of the problem, we can eliminate all of the mechanical issues, and the high current 24V supply since you CAN get the motor to run by shorting the relay contacts.

We can pretty much eliminate the relays themselves, since the chances of BOTH relays failing is so remote as to not be worth considering.

The joystick switch supplies power to the coil side of the two relays on separate wires.  Again, the unlikely failure of BOTH wires would be required to disable the BT in both directions.

That pretty much leaves the negative wire that returns the current from both coils to the battery as the only point of failure I can see. Based on your troubleshooting so far, that is the next place I would look.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada


Re: Fire extinguishers

Bill Kinney
 

Eric,

The following is assuming that the USCG regulations for commercial inspected vessels do NOT apply AND your insurance company has nothing specific to say on the matter…

The regulations are about which fire extinguishers are able to be counted toward a vessels minimum carriage requirement.  Out of date extinguishers are not forbidden, and they are not required to be removed, they are just not able to count toward the legal minimum. Kind of the same situation you run into with out of date pyrotechnic flares. For a SM in recreational or 6-Pack service, the minimum carriage requirement for fire extinguishers is easily met with portable units.  I don’t see anything in the regs that would REQUIRE an old system to be decommissioned or removed.

One issue that comes up is that the original CO2 pressure vessels run out of their certification date, and then can not be refilled and serviced.  Even if they are still in date, without a USDOT certification most US based shops will not work on them.

As you suggest, I would do anything possible to avoid an engine room powder system.  Discharging any of the power agents into an engine room is certainly better than having the boat burn, but it would be a serious disaster for ALL the equipment installed in that space. This stuff is corrosive and “sticky”, it is extremely difficult to clean up.  Battery chargers, alternators, generator electronics, inverters, etc will almost certainly not survive even if unaffected by the fire.

Some insurance companies have technical support staff for things like this.  They can be a helpful resource.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada


Re: D Marin Corfu (aka: Gouvia Marina)

Jay Feaver
 

Hi Paul and Christine,

Really good to hear of your adventures.   I can give you some options for storing your boat.   We are currently storing or boat at Lefkas Marina in Greece (where we bought it).   We have also done a journey up to Venice and back via Croatia an Montenegro.  

Lefkas Marina - is a good option.   It is easy to access in summer via Preveza Airport.  It is harder to access in winter via Athens airport and 4 hours of driving.   The marina is (in my books) well protected and decently maintained.  It only uses a single bow mooring line for each boat (which can be a bit concerning for some.) There are good services available there with haul out and parts supply etc.  Our boat was maintained there for the last 2 years and it appears to have been well done.   I can send you an email with some more specific reviews and hints if you want: we use Paleros Yacht Services. It is possible to do all the customs paperwork yourself there if you have a smile and a few hours we also were introduced to a good agent if you prefer  We will be based there through spring of next year (23) then heading west if all goes according to plan.  There are a couple other Amels in the marina.  

No comment on Gouvia.   We will visit in August but have not gone yet.  

The one I would suggest you look at as an option is Porto Novi.   It is also in the D-marin group.   The facilities are quite new.  It is amongst the best executed service we have ever seen at a marina.   Cost was comparable but slightly less than Lefkas.  there are double bow lines and there are 4 other Amels currently stored there so there must be someone who can look after them.  As were transiting we did not investigate.   It is accessible from airports at Tiviat and locals say look closely at possibly from Dobrovnic?   We did not need an agent as the various officials are on the quay and very easy to deal with.  Also of interest if you are going to ship in a large value boat part there is a method to receive it tax free to the boat via the customs man on the end of the quay.   Finally I note that it is not in Schengen so your prep time is "outside" of Schengen.   Honestly, if we had not already signed for Lefkas I would have left the boat there.   We also really liked Montenegro.  Again I can email you details and who to talk to at the marina if you want.  

All the best, Jay
SV Elation


Cherry D45X micro switch for Bowtruster #replacement

EricOpdeweegh
 

Dear Amelians

Last week one of the micro switches  on the pcb  of  my bowtruster failed. It just does not click anymore and cleaning the contacts did not make it work again.
The spring apparently weakened.
It is not to hard to replace the switch but I can't find the right one.
We have asked Maud at SAV, she came back to us very quicky but could not help us this time. Seems they do not any in stock anymore

.

Does any one know where to get this specific micro switch D45X from manufacturer "Cherry". 16(4) / 250  - 15A 1/2HP - 12.5 -25C VAC
See enclosed photos. 

There are a lot of micro switches around on the internet but I can 't find the specific one with the two connectors under 90 degree angle and the third one under neath. 

We have Super Maramu  158 (1996)
Bowtruster  Leroy Somer/ TF 15 /6.3kW/480A/24V  - Serial no 718624/25


Looking forward to help to order a few of these micro switches.

Eric Opdeweegh

Sv Abayomi

Amel Super Maramu Hull# 0030017SM158              Delivered March 1996

Phone  +31621240217

 




 


Re: Found this on deck and don’t know where it came from

Raul Schleier
 

Thanks Gerhard, that’s good to know


Re: Mast lights for A54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Totally agree Teun
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 24/07/2022 22:33 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:


Wow

 

I always mention to other sailors  how our AYOG forum keeps decorum and doesn’t slide to the level I see several other fori.

 

Let’s keep it that way.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

July 24, 2022 20:32:40

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Macdonald via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 20:01
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mast lights for A54


Hi,

Let it be known far and wide that the new Amel people dot not give a f¨¨¨ about old Amel (Maramu and such). They throw away all the remaining spare parts to the great dismay of old Amel hands  and of course owners of older Amel boats. Their only concern is selling million dollars boats  to new clients. I am not saying that their new boats are badly made. They are for sure of vey high quality.

But if you you do not have a couple of millions in your pocket they wont even speak to you. You have  to see the old Amel Hands who have set up their own company. I recommend Secteur Blanc in la Rochelle, not cheap but super reliable.The owner has worked with Henry Amel for more than twenty years and knows absolutely everything that has to be known about Maramus, Euros, Meltems, Santorins, SuperMaramus, Sharkis and the like.

So it goes


Charles








Le 23 juil. 2022 à 19:24, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> a écrit :


Hi Mohammad,

Being in La Rochelle I can say from first hand source, Amel does not have the original spreaderlights anymore as they are no longer made. They do have very nice replacements but at a not so nice price.  

The tri-color is for most 54s the Lopolight Tri-color-anchor light. Quite a dissapointing thing as it promises 50000 hours life and if you are lucky you’ll get 1500 hour. I replaced the lot with Aqua signal series 40 LED lights

Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna
A54-121




Re: Mast lights for A54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Charles you are so out of line it defies belief. First you have grossly violented the rules of this group which are there for good reason, Second you are utterly wrong about Amel and their long term care of their clients. I speak from first hand knowledge owning a 22 year old Amel and having been a member of this forum for 14 years I have watched the care others have experienced. They have always been pleasant to deal with, I never cease to be amazed at the care they give to the ageing sector of their fleet. That care is precious and we must not jeopardize it.
Danny Simms
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 24/07/2022 22:01 Charles Macdonald <c.macdonald@...> wrote:


Hi,
Let it be known far and wide that the new Amel people dot not give a f¨¨¨ about old Amel (Maramu and such). They throw away all the remaining spare parts to the great dismay of old Amel hands  and of course owners of older Amel boats. Their only concern is selling million dollars boats  to new clients. I am not saying that their new boats are badly made. They are for sure of vey high quality.
But if you you do not have a couple of millions in your pocket they wont even speak to you. You have  to see the old Amel Hands who have set up their own company. I recommend Secteur Blanc in la Rochelle, not cheap but super reliable.The owner has worked with Henry Amel for more than twenty years and knows absolutely everything that has to be known about Maramus, Euros, Meltems, Santorins, SuperMaramus, Sharkis and the like.
So it goes

Charles






Le 23 juil. 2022 à 19:24, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> a écrit :

Hi Mohammad,

Being in La Rochelle I can say from first hand source, Amel does not have the original spreaderlights anymore as they are no longer made. They do have very nice replacements but at a not so nice price.  

The tri-color is for most 54s the Lopolight Tri-color-anchor light. Quite a dissapointing thing as it promises 50000 hours life and if you are lucky you’ll get 1500 hour. I replaced the lot with Aqua signal series 40 LED lights

Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna
A54-121



Re: Mast lights for A54

 

Charles Macdonald, 

Your rude message shows indifference to 3 out of 4 of the following requests. Although the damage is done and it has been sent to every member of the group, I will delete the message and lock the thread. All of your future postings will be moderated for a while. Many of us have worked hard to make this group stay on point helping one another without a diversion. Please try to control yourself in the future and remember anything you post anywhere on the Internet may come back to haunt you in the future. I suspect that Amel SAV now has your derogatory remarks sent to them by one of our 1200 members. You need to realize that will probably affect you and could have some impact on every one of us. There are good reasons for the following requests. I will not get into all of the reasons.

We encourage postings that will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. 
  1. Please do not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor.
  2. Please refrain from political issues and rude, or inappropriate language.
  3. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond.
  4. Please register with your given names and please sign postings with your given name. If you currently own an Amel include the boat name, Amel model, and hull number. 
Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 5:01 AM Charles Macdonald <c.macdonald@...> wrote:
Hi,
Let it be known far and wide that the new Amel people dot not give a f¨¨¨ about old Amel (Maramu and such). They throw away all the remaining spare parts to the great dismay of old Amel hands  and of course owners of older Amel boats. Their only concern is selling million dollars boats  to new clients. I am not saying that their new boats are badly made. They are for sure of vey high quality.
But if you you do not have a couple of millions in your pocket they wont even speak to you. You have  to see the old Amel Hands who have set up their own company. I recommend Secteur Blanc in la Rochelle, not cheap but super reliable.The owner has worked with Henry Amel for more than twenty years and knows absolutely everything that has to be known about Maramus, Euros, Meltems, Santorins, SuperMaramus, Sharkis and the like.
So it goes

Charles






Le 23 juil. 2022 à 19:24, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> a écrit :

Hi Mohammad,

Being in La Rochelle I can say from first hand source, Amel does not have the original spreaderlights anymore as they are no longer made. They do have very nice replacements but at a not so nice price.  

The tri-color is for most 54s the Lopolight Tri-color-anchor light. Quite a dissapointing thing as it promises 50000 hours life and if you are lucky you’ll get 1500 hour. I replaced the lot with Aqua signal series 40 LED lights

Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna
A54-121



Re: Using water tank for fridge cooling circuit

Louis Trepanier
 

Sorry for asking about your inverter since the compressor is 24v


On Jul 24, 2022, at 15:08, Louis Trepanier <louis.alepa@...> wrote:

Thanks Ruedi for the details. 

I will ask a local technician if he is comfortable with doing this job.

What is your inverter power?
Louis


On Jul 24, 2022, at 00:20, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Hi Louis

 

It was not a complete replacement. The original Figoboat Refrigerator is still in place but only changed the compressor and Eveporator.

Disconnected the IN/OUT water hoses and connected together. The cooling waterline is a looped line connected with the other fridge/freezer.

 

The compressor is 24V Danfos/SECOP BD35F (can be ordered in Internet for about 450 EURO). The Evaporator is a bit bigger and more powerful than the original Frigoboat evaporator and there was enough space in the original Frigoboat. Don’t remember exact brand, but could be for example a Vitrifrigo S3 boxed Evaporator. The new compressor is consuming same or less Amp. compared to the original setup.

 

Best regards and happy sailing

Ruedi

WASABI A54-55

 

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> im Auftrag von Louis Trepanier <louis.alepa@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Samstag, 23. Juli 2022 um 11:25
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Using water tank for fridge cooling circuit

 

Hı Rudolf,

İnterested by your replacement of the front door Frigoboat by a air cooled refrigerator.

-what refrigerator model did you choose?

- what capacity inverter do you use and how many amps @220 v doest it consume?

Thanks,

Louis Amelia II

 



On Jul 23, 2022, at 11:47, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

 

We typically do not stay on board when hauled, so not as dependent on the fridge.

 

Respectfully;