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Dessalator D160 pre-pump / lift-pump / Low Pressure LP-pmp #replacement

Michael & Robyn
 

Greetings!
The LP gauge of our Dessalator D160 is always in the orange near the read range.
So I started to think that the installed pump's impeller has corroded away just as it had happened on our AC circulation pump. Both pumps were F.E.I.T. C20M CCM MATR P4258.
The image in the Dessalator D160 Owners manual shows a pump of a different type.
I have seen the messages in Mark's "Dessalator 160 Lift Pump" topic and Dominique's answer that his is a
CALPEDA BTM 61E.
The different pump diagrams may explain my issue with the LP pump not generating enough pressure for the flow through the 25/5 micron filters to feed the HP CAT pump.
The previous owners had a lightning strike while on the hard in Panama and I wounder, whether the wrong type of pump was installed back then.

Can anyone please confirm that the LP pump should be the CALPEDA B-TM 61E
or the more powerful B-TM 65E ?
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
currently in Cambridge MD USA
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Tilo & Jeannette Peters
 

That one is on my boat—there may even be two. I believe that it was a high-quality sales brochure.

Best,

Tilo

On 1Sep, 2022, at 04:45, Darren Moore <Kazdaz@...> wrote:

Hello All,

We have an Amel picture style book with our 1996 model SM, I'm not sure if it is common, I haven't seen any scans in the files section, but maybe I've just missed it

It has perhaps a dozen or so hard card pages with gloss photos on it (like a children's book), I think it shows pictures of how to rig the poles and bits like that.

I'll dig it out next week and try and scan it if anyone interested, we are hauling out next week so might take a week or so to get the book to a scanner

--
Darren & Karen
SM171
LaGecko
Tasmania, Australia

Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 

I have to be very careful what i say here. Please be patient with me.

I will obviously rig my boat in steel. But dyneema is insanely strong. Steel may not hold the mast up under gust loading or capsize. Why would one not install two or four dyneema safety lines from the top of the mast to the gunwale. The dyneema wouldn't even need to apply tension to the mast. To avoid any chafing, they would not touch the steel shrouds and would be mounted within the confined protection of the steel shrouds.

Boats often carry a dyneema emergency shroud. Why not have emergency shrouds permanently mounted?

Other than aesthetics; i don't see the downside.
Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 
Edited

Thank you, Denis, Louis, Jean-Pierre, Richie and Bill. This is a great list to consider.

I was up the mast yesterday and there is actually a bit of rust on all four of the lesser main mast shrouds. So it might be the mizzen and a reefed jib to Malta lol

Blessings
Daniel 
Oronia Mango #14
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Darren Moore
 

Hello All,

We have an Amel picture style book with our 1996 model SM, I'm not sure if it is common, I haven't seen any scans in the files section, but maybe I've just missed it

It has perhaps a dozen or so hard card pages with gloss photos on it (like a children's book), I think it shows pictures of how to rig the poles and bits like that.

I'll dig it out next week and try and scan it if anyone interested, we are hauling out next week so might take a week or so to get the book to a scanner

--
Darren & Karen
SM171
LaGecko
Tasmania, Australia
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Bill Kinney
 

As the owner of a 1996 Super Maramu that came with every piece of paper ever generated, I am pretty sure that there were NO owners manuals specifically prepared for Amels of this age.  They DID come with the manuals for every piece of hardware installed, but Amel had not yet written a comprehensive manual for the boat yet.

I am 99.9% sure that the SM2K manual is the first one written.  I am pretty sure that Amel's logic was that the extensive training they supplied when the boat was delivered obviated the need for a manual for the original owner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Exactly, I think Nicky is one of the best: 
https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/nicky-rigging-marine-services.html

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:44 AM Richie Whyte <richiewhyte@...> wrote:
Hi Daniel
I just did something similar. We sailed from Siracusa in Sicily to Valletta in Malta. Our rigging was sent by Acmo to Marina di Valletta where Nicky Sammut replaced our rig in a couple of days. We sailed from there to Carloforte in Sardinia and on to Palma..and now in Ibiza. Nicky did a great job and was a pleasure to do business with.

Richie

Why Knot
SM2K#261
Salinas, Ibiza
Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Malta may not be too far out of your way for the rigger I recommend.
https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/nicky-rigging-marine-services.html


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 8:37 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Daniel,

Contact Mallorca Yacht Services, Peter Kukluck, at +34 619 658 312

He is a brilliant engineer and works closely with an excellent rigger.  The rigger in question has been J24 world champion for many years.  

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, formerly Eleuthera, SM 007



On 31 Aug 2022, at 06:57, Louis Trepanier <louis.alepa@...> wrote:

Personally, I would prefer to stop in Hyeres where Amel has a service base with all the contacts for Amel experienced riggers 


On Aug 31, 2022, at 11:31, Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:

Hello,

We changed our standing rig with Nacho of Mediterranean rigging in Port Blanis N of Barcelona.
Very professional and experience in large boats.
chose him since he had multiple and recent references.
very satisfied of his work.

Denis

Re: Early SM: Battery compartment for Lithium

Mark Barter
 

The batteries are MG Batteries HE Series 200. I am not sure of the dimensions. I'm sure it will be on their website.

https://www.mgenergysystems.eu

I specifically checked that they could be mounted on their sides before doing so. The installation instructions say that it is perfectly fine.

MG appear to be connected in some way to Victron because their systems are fully compatible and they share almost identical branding. The MG Master was much neater than anything Victron were selling at the time and made installation very easy.

Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello Andreas
Is it possible for you to send me the Owner‘s manual on pdf.
my email : 
hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail dot ch
Thanks a lot if its possible.
Greetings to Carloforte. I love it !

Hanspeter
SM 16; Tamango 2
Costa Rica

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.08.2022 um 10:56 schrieb Tilo & Jeannette Peters <ambiente.sm163@...>:

Hi Andreas,

Thanks, although I already have the English version, the German version is new to my search and will be great for Jeannette, as she’s more used to doing repairs and ordering parts in German for her Kielzugvogel on the Zurisee. My German is functional, but my vocabulary of nautical and mechanical terms isn’t up to that level and we end up resorting to a form of techno-GermLish from time to time.

I’ve got to hand it to the Swiss, though; we haven’t even bought the boat or started the documentation process, but from a simple request about availability of our vessel name, they just sent a confirmation that it’s reserved for us!

Cheers,

Tilo

On 31Aug, 2022, at 16:15, Andreas Irion via groups.io <Andreas.irion@...> wrote:

Hi Tilo

Congrats to your ownership. I have two PDF of the SM 2K Manual, which serve well also for SM models. And yours is a relatively recent one, so the similarity to the 2K models ist high.

Andreas

FORTUNA; SM #194; Carloforte
<amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf><amel_super_maramu_2000_manual II.pdf>
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Tilo & Jeannette Peters
 

Hi Andreas,

Thanks, although I already have the English version, the German version is new to my search and will be great for Jeannette, as she’s more used to doing repairs and ordering parts in German for her Kielzugvogel on the Zurisee. My German is functional, but my vocabulary of nautical and mechanical terms isn’t up to that level and we end up resorting to a form of techno-GermLish from time to time.

I’ve got to hand it to the Swiss, though; we haven’t even bought the boat or started the documentation process, but from a simple request about availability of our vessel name, they just sent a confirmation that it’s reserved for us!

Cheers,

Tilo

On 31Aug, 2022, at 16:15, Andreas Irion via groups.io <Andreas.irion@...> wrote:

Hi Tilo

Congrats to your ownership. I have two PDF of the SM 2K Manual, which serve well also for SM models. And yours is a relatively recent one, so the similarity to the 2K models ist high.

Andreas

FORTUNA; SM #194; Carloforte
<amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf><amel_super_maramu_2000_manual II.pdf>
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Andreas Irion
 

Hi Tilo

Congrats to your ownership. I have two PDF of the SM 2K Manual, which serve well also for SM models. And yours is a relatively recent one, so the similarity to the 2K models ist high.

Andreas

FORTUNA; SM #194; Carloforte

PDF
amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
PDF
amel_super_maramu_2000_manual II.pdf

Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Daniel
I just did something similar. We sailed from Siracusa in Sicily to Valletta in Malta. Our rigging was sent by Acmo to Marina di Valletta where Nicky Sammut replaced our rig in a couple of days. We sailed from there to Carloforte in Sardinia and on to Palma..and now in Ibiza. Nicky did a great job and was a pleasure to do business with.

Richie

Why Knot
SM2K#261
Salinas, Ibiza
Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Daniel,

Contact Mallorca Yacht Services, Peter Kukluck, at +34 619 658 312

He is a brilliant engineer and works closely with an excellent rigger.  The rigger in question has been J24 world champion for many years.  

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, formerly Eleuthera, SM 007



On 31 Aug 2022, at 06:57, Louis Trepanier <louis.alepa@...> wrote:

Personally, I would prefer to stop in Hyeres where Amel has a service base with all the contacts for Amel experienced riggers 


On Aug 31, 2022, at 11:31, Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:

Hello,

We changed our standing rig with Nacho of Mediterranean rigging in Port Blanis N of Barcelona.
Very professional and experience in large boats.
chose him since he had multiple and recent references.
very satisfied of his work.

Denis

Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Tilo...and congratulations on becoming an Amel "caretaker"...is that a bit like Patek Phillippe?

Have you asked Amel in La Rochelle if they have the manual??
Sometimes they can surprise you with what they have (but also what they don't have!)

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: Early SM: Battery compartment for Lithium

Michael Fuchs
 

As far as I know there's no technical, chemical or electrical reason for the LiFePo4 cells and the internal BMS electronic to keep them upright.

However I do know for Victron Smart Lithium 12V that only the 330Ah is certified to be placed not upright. All other Victron Smart Lithium 12V need to be placed upright. This could be becuase of packaging, weight distribution etc.

Mastervolt should provide similar information.

Michael


Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> schrieb am Mi., 31. Aug. 2022, 10:25:

Hello,
May I bump in this thread.

is there a problem disposing the battery on its side? 

For example Mastervolt Ultra has a confusing statement it’s ok but better to have them on it’s bottom.

Hard to find a definitive answer to this simple question.

Regzrds

Denis
Re: Is there an Amel Rigger en route from Italy to Spain?

Louis Trepanier
 

Personally, I would prefer to stop in Hyeres where Amel has a service base with all the contacts for Amel experienced riggers 


On Aug 31, 2022, at 11:31, Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:

Hello,

We changed our standing rig with Nacho of Mediterranean rigging in Port Blanis N of Barcelona.
Very professional and experience in large boats.
chose him since he had multiple and recent references.
very satisfied of his work.

Denis

Re: Early SM: Battery compartment for Lithium

Louis Trepanier
 

Personally, I would not take a chance and set them upside…if headroom permits 


On Aug 31, 2022, at 11:25, Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:



Hello,
May I bump in this thread.

is there a problem disposing the battery on its side? 

For example Mastervolt Ultra has a confusing statement it’s ok but better to have them on it’s bottom.

Hard to find a definitive answer to this simple question.

Regzrds

Denis
Re: Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Roland Mueller
 

Hi Tilo,

I know that pain too. I’m using the SM2K owners manual and I wasn’t able to get hold of an SM manual. It differs in some details but in most cases it’s useful.

Regards,
Roland 
SM150 Aventura, Genua


On 31 Aug 2022, at 12:15, Tilo & Jeannette Peters <ambiente.sm163@...> wrote:

After years of lurking in and being involved with this great group, my wife Jeannette and I are finally on the way to being Amel caretakers (does one ever really own a boat, or does the boat own you?)! We will take possession of Doctor Bird, SM#163 from 1996. It is a single-owner vessel that completed a circumnavigation in 2005. We are pleased that we are able to maintain the Swiss Flag Registry that she has flown since her birth. 

Despite her relatively good condition and constant care, I am disappointed to report that everything except for original purchase and transfer documents and the originals of the VAT payment documents, there is very little in the way of documentation for the vessel. Most importantly, the Amel Owner's Manual is absent. I've checked in the files section, as well as with Bill Rouse, but there is no digital version of the manual as yet. Have any of you good people scanned your owner's manual? 

As I understand, the 1995-1998 SMs implemented a number of changes that featured some of the SM2K features and thus separated them from earlier builds. Yet I see many things in the SM2K manual that don't align with what I'm seeing and I want to know if these were customizations or as-built. So while I'd ideally like to get a digital version of the years immediately preceding the SM2Ks, any SM owner's manual would be a great help!

Thanks,

Tilo
SM#163, soon to be Ambiente, Sanremo

Owner's Manual for 1996 Super Maramu

Tilo & Jeannette Peters
 

After years of lurking in and being involved with this great group, my wife Jeannette and I are finally on the way to being Amel caretakers (does one ever really own a boat, or does the boat own you?)! We will take possession of Doctor Bird, SM#163 from 1996. It is a single-owner vessel that completed a circumnavigation in 2005. We are pleased that we are able to maintain the Swiss Flag Registry that she has flown since her birth. 

Despite her relatively good condition and constant care, I am disappointed to report that everything except for original purchase and transfer documents and the originals of the VAT payment documents, there is very little in the way of documentation for the vessel. Most importantly, the Amel Owner's Manual is absent. I've checked in the files section, as well as with Bill Rouse, but there is no digital version of the manual as yet. Have any of you good people scanned your owner's manual? 

As I understand, the 1995-1998 SMs implemented a number of changes that featured some of the SM2K features and thus separated them from earlier builds. Yet I see many things in the SM2K manual that don't align with what I'm seeing and I want to know if these were customizations or as-built. So while I'd ideally like to get a digital version of the years immediately preceding the SM2Ks, any SM owner's manual would be a great help!

Thanks,

Tilo
SM#163, soon to be Ambiente, Sanremo
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