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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Duane,

Last time I anchored (a month ago), I was just thinking of your accident and (since a boat anchoring too closed) I put out all my 30 fenders.
And this is unfair that “we” care about our vessels and other just don’t care…

Really sorry Pantaenius is treating like that as well…

I wish we could create our own insurance.

Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/23/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 4:21 PM


 









I'll tell you all, Pantaenius does not get my
recommendation.
We were
struck by another boat, while both were at anchor during a
windstorm.  I had asked the other boat to move days before
and they refused saying they would "keep and eye on
it".  The anchorage got very crowded and there was
nowhere to go when we were expecting heavy winds.  The
night of the heavy winds (35 to 40 knots) they approached my
port very close by and I set out fenders in anticipation of
a collision.  The next thing we knew they were on our
starboard bearing down on us and dragging anchor.  We had a
collision on our starboard, the fenders were on
port...
It took 3
weeks for Pantaenius to send a surveyor, and now at 6 weeks
I'm in a boatyard with the "investigation"
phase over (to see if there was structural damage to the
hull laminate).  Now, I can't get the claims agent to
call me back to schedule the surveyor that the may or may
not want to review the hull laminate.  On top of that they
won't even state whether this is a covered event!!!  I
pasted their letter below.  Would this give you any
confidence that they are going to pay the
claim?===============================================Duane:
 We acknowledge receipt of your two emails dated
February 13th and February 20th,
2017.  We
review your comments set forth in your email along with the
estimate you provided from Rybovich to determine if the
charges are fair, reasonable, loss-related, and covered in
accordance with the terms and conditions of your Pantaenius
America Yacht Policy.  We have cc’d our assigned surveyor
on this matter who will advise as to whether or not a
follow-up inspection of the reported damages is
required.
 I am presently out of the office traveling for
work until Friday, February 24th, 2017, but will
be occasionally checking my emails from a remote
location.
 Our claim file
remains open, active, and under investigation. The foregoing
request and steps taken during our investigation are not
intended to be and shall not be construed as an indication
or guarantee of coverage.  The foregoing is not an
admission of liability and is strictly without prejudice,
and all rights , exclusions, and defenses available under
the policy and the law are hereby reserved.
 Thomas Mullady |
Claims 
Pantaenius America 
500 Mamaroneck Avenue|Harrison, NY 10528|United
States of America 
Dear
Tom,
Attached is the
estimate for the repairs.  Note that the attached firm
price Additional Work Authorization (AWA) is in addition to
the previous estimate. 
The repair
company noted there was some structural laminate
delamination, but it was limited to a few square inches.
 They are more than willing to talk to the Surveyor or you
if that would be desireable.
This  does not
include the yard charges, electric, and holding tank and
holding tank connections costs.  We decided to stay on the boat, so
that will help keep the insurance claim down.
 
Please let me
know whether:
1.) The charges
are reasonable per the insurance policy, and;2.) If the
surveyor needs to review the damage with the gel coat
removed prior to repairs proceeding.  We would like this to
happen as immediate as possible to reduce the time in the
yard. 
Thank
you,Duane
==============================I thought Pantaenius
was one of the best in the industry, but their not earning
that reputation for me.
DuaneWanderer
SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

jandrkennedy@...
 

Interesting article from another source on Insurance - with some basics.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Duane Siegfri
 

I'll tell you all, Pantaenius does not get my recommendation.

We were struck by another boat, while both were at anchor during a windstorm.  I had asked the other boat to move days before and they refused saying they would "keep and eye on it".  The anchorage got very crowded and there was nowhere to go when we were expecting heavy winds.  The night of the heavy winds (35 to 40 knots) they approached my port very close by and I set out fenders in anticipation of a collision.  The next thing we knew they were on our starboard bearing down on us and dragging anchor.  We had a collision on our starboard, the fenders were on port...

It took 3 weeks for Pantaenius to send a surveyor, and now at 6 weeks I'm in a boatyard with the "investigation" phase over (to see if there was structural damage to the hull laminate).  Now, I can't get the claims agent to call me back to schedule the surveyor that the may or may not want to review the hull laminate.  On top of that they won't even state whether this is a covered event!!!  I pasted their letter below.  Would this give you any confidence that they are going to pay the claim?
===============================================

Duane:

 

We acknowledge receipt of your two emails dated February 13th and February 20th, 2017.

 

We review your comments set forth in your email along with the estimate you provided from Rybovich to determine if the charges are fair, reasonable, loss-related, and covered in accordance with the terms and conditions of your Pantaenius America Yacht Policy.  We have cc’d our assigned surveyor on this matter who will advise as to whether or not a follow-up inspection of the reported damages is required.

 

I am presently out of the office traveling for work until Friday, February 24th, 2017, but will be occasionally checking my emails from a remote location.

 

Our claim file remains open, active, and under investigation. The foregoing request and steps taken during our investigation are not intended to be and shall not be construed as an indication or guarantee of coverage.  The foregoing is not an admission of liability and is strictly without prejudice, and all rights , exclusions, and defenses available under the policy and the law are hereby reserved.

 

Thomas Mullady | Claims 
Pantaenius America 
500 Mamaroneck Avenue|Harrison, NY 10528|United States of America
 


Dear Tom,


Attached is the estimate for the repairs.  Note that the attached firm price Additional Work Authorization (AWA) is in addition to the previous estimate. 

The repair company noted there was some structural laminate delamination, but it was limited to a few square inches.  They are more than willing to talk to the Surveyor or you if that would be desireable.

This  does not include the yard charges, electric, and holding tank and holding tank connections costs.  We decided to stay on the boat, so that will help keep the insurance claim down.  

Please let me know whether:

1.) The charges are reasonable per the insurance policy, and;
2.) If the surveyor needs to review the damage with the gel coat removed prior to repairs proceeding.  We would like this to happen as immediate as possible to reduce the time in the yard. 

Thank you,

Duane

==============================

I thought Pantaenius was one of the best in the industry, but their not earning that reputation for me.


Duane

Wanderer SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Bob Grey
 

Guys as the owner of a 55 with the 110 D3, I do my own service, the dealer gave me the same advice about the motor when I said I usually only motor at 1500rpm, he said then I will glaze the bores and kill the turbo early. He also suggested full revs (2500) on my boat for short intervals to get the turbo and cylinders working at design heat and stresses.


Bob Grey
Renaissance 3
Amel 55 #25
Melbourne Australia.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017, 21:46, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Bill,
Your explanation of the d3 110 was exactly what the service manager explained. As a result of the inability to identify faults, often the problems encountered by d3 owners can be a trial and error path that can lead to major expenses, frustrations, and ultimately, a lack of confidence in your propulsion system. Not good.
The service rep came down HIMSELF, as a curtisy (sp) to me, knowing that the d3 was a difficult animal to tame after shooting the crap for an hour about various diesel related bullcrap. He was aboard for 3 hours. The tech was there 3 times over 3 days and left scratching his head.
Only trying to make a point here.
Thanks for your input. You are a very intelligent and helpful man, and I appreciate  that input!


On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 04:27 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hanspeter,

I agree with your advice regarding RPM...and, if age had anything to do with participating in this forum, I would have to quit.

The issue with Volvo mechanics completely understanding the newer D3-110 is a common issue worldwide. Even the Volvo test equipment will not identify system faults in some cases. From what I know about this issue, it seems as though the initial programming of the onboard engine control computer has issues, but more than that, with the introduction of this engine Volvo mechanics had to move from being diesel engine mechanics in a completely analog and mechanical world to being diesel mechanics with an engine controled by software in an onboard computer connected to sensors and also connected electronically to mechanical valves and gates controlling fuel, air, timing, etc. It is very understandable that some owners of the D3-110 give up and replace the engine.

From what I hear, this is improving, and newer model Volvos have not had all of the same problems. If I had to decide between the rebuilding of an older pre-computer controled diesel engine or buying a new computer controled engine, I would pay more to rebuild than the cost of new.

Also, not all D3-110 owners have suffered the "unsolved mysteries" that this engine has presented to others.

I hope this clears things up.

Best,

Bill
Ex-BeBe

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:03 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss )
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson clothes washer

Mark Pitt
 

Bill,

   Exactly what model Braun did you install? 

  Mark Pitt, S/V Sabbatical III, ASM #419


On 2/23/2017 1:54 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Kent,


And, if you need a new pump, this is the one that I bought: http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es1087464/high-quality-universal-washing-machine-drain-

There was no need for modification and the pump from the UK is 230VAC. I paid 19.95GBP plus 6.95GBP for delivery to the US. I see they had a price increase.

This appears to be the same pump via Amazon.uk: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Askoll-Drain-Pump-Washing-Machines/dp/B000N5LM86

Anyone else reading this should buy this pump because this is the number 1 thing to go wrong with your Thompson washer. I replaced my Thompson while in Spain wit a Braun...fit perfectly.

Bill
X-BeBe




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Dominique Guenot
 

I insured S/V Viva with Panteanius 20 months ago after trying to work with French Insurance brokers/ French insurance companies to no avail. I always felt I was not insured. In addition there was so many limitations in the geographical scope for a round the world tour. 


As far as I know by reading contracts and internet:

Insurance laws and markets are historically very different in France than in Germany [Pantaenius].

As a key example in France for Yatchs you are insured in "valeur d'usage" [used value hence "vetuste" will reduce the amount of your claim] while in Germany Pantaenius will insure you for "valeur a neuf" - new value or value to replace.


I requested upfront quotes for round the world and I ended up with 3 prices: Med, Atlantic including Caribbean and then Pacific.


So far so good with no claim to test my choice.


Dominique Guenot

S/V Viva

Opua, New Zealand

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson clothes washer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,


And, if you need a new pump, this is the one that I bought: http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es1087464/high-quality-universal-washing-machine-drain-

There was no need for modification and the pump from the UK is 230VAC. I paid 19.95GBP plus 6.95GBP for delivery to the US. I see they had a price increase.

This appears to be the same pump via Amazon.uk: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Askoll-Drain-Pump-Washing-Machines/dp/B000N5LM86

Anyone else reading this should buy this pump because this is the number 1 thing to go wrong with your Thompson washer. I replaced my Thompson while in Spain wit a Braun...fit perfectly.

Bill
X-BeBe



On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Kent,

It may be caused by the water pump no longer working, or clogged.

Remove the two bolts and remove the L shaped wood surrounding your washer...be careful with the washer cabinet lid which will come loose.

On the front of the washer is a clean-out and inspection port for the water pump. On the front of the washer is a manual drain hose.

Do a little investigation...if it is the water pump, I have a source for you...if it is just clogged have your wet-vac handy and of course buckets to drain the washer through the manual drain hose on the front of the washer.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Ahoy, all!
My Thompson Washer/Dryer has just stopped spinning (Essorage) the water out of the clothes.  It stops when the Essorage light comes on.  I don't have any info on this unit and need some advice about what to look for...?and how?

Muchas Gracias from Panama
Kent
S/V Kristy SM243






Re: Popping sound from Thomson clothes washer

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Ahoy Kent,

I hope you can get it fixed.

Otherwise, I'd like to share my findings on the subject of these washers.  The Thomson is probably one of the nicer models from 15 years ago for what is simply the "old standard" small-apartment washer/dryer in South Europe.  Newer apartments, even if small, often install larger front-load units similar to those that have now become common in the U.S.

Replacements for the Thompson are usually €500 (unless of the "Miele" brand —see below), though on sale you can basic models for about €300.  These can be found everywhere in Spain (but not in Portugal, I think), France, and Italy.  I have the impression you can't get them in North Europe, but I might be wrong.

Can you get one in Martinique?  Never been there, but even if unavailable, one should be able to order one from mainland France, at some cost and patience.

You can also get one, get this, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 230V-only: Miele has a global megayacht program, and will happily supply you one for about $2500, with a world-wide warranty.  Which is only a $1000 markup over the exact same Miele you can buy in Spain, and which retails for €1,000 (basic model) to €1,400 (bells/whistles).

Bill Rouse replaced his Thomson when he was in Spain, and it was probably a wise decision given his circumstances.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
Venice, Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Jeff,

Do you happen to have direct links to the articles on “Marine Law” or “Maritime Law”, as I am a bit short on time (have to work) an on top of that have serious back pain…
I am also considering only taking Liability.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/23/17, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 12:08 PM


 









Alexandra,If you have some free time, and
the inclination to verify your paragraph regarding lawyers
and insurance companies trying to justify less reimbersment,
google marine law, limitation of liability. You'll learn
why maritime insurance companies are protected in many ways
that most would find outrageous. It will discuss the
historical precedents and the "why" limited
liability exists.In
the Maritime legal world, there is no such thing as a slam
dunk situation (you seem to have found out, unfortunately),
regardless of what the circumstances would appear to reveal
to the rational mind, and a reasonable person.There aren't a lot of poor
insurance brokers. I wonder why? They're selling you peace
of mind, but when you need them, often the payoff is nothing
but disappointment.My insurance is coming up for
renewal, and the thread you good folks have engaged in will
get a renewed focus from me. I saved it for later digestion.
It's a topic that, for me, is like going to get a tooth
pulled. You know you gotta get it done, but you would rather
not go there.Fair
Winds to All,Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]
wrote:


 









Definitely true.



I can’t resist mention I purchased my insurance from
DeLassee base on the forum, if I never had a claim I would
have advertise them.

But I had an accident (my boat is ins its slip at the marina
- another boat looses control hit me, then he owner panic
put full reverse and destroyed the bow pulpit).

While “my” insurance recognized I was a “zero”
fault, they deem not worth pursing the other insurance…


They also never sent an expert to help assessing the damaged
(while the other insurance did for the other boat).

At the end between the “vetuste” (not being new) I
received 1/4 of the total damages.

Not to mention, they said the estimate for the repair quote
($20.000) was too much, took them 3 months to get me someone
else for the same amount… (delay and cost at my expense).




I was told nowadays insurers are more like “lawyers”
with the way they handle cases, will always find something
somewhere not to reimbursed.

And I totally believe that even with several crews onboard,
insurance will find ways to justify less reimbursement.



Talking with Y Yacht insurance, I told them I was often make
fun of because I have “30” fenders onboard racing from
8” to 21” diameter which I use in marina as well as
anchor (if I have neighbors).

My reason is simple: too many times I see people not knowing
what they do, plus the so called “local captain”
(smelling beer 3ft away) delivering boat and who couldn’t
care less (not too long ago, one used the corner of the
concrete dock to pivot/rotate the boat…), and of course
there is always the possibility that “I” will be at
fault because current or wind are against me.

Fenders are a lot less expensive than deductible or/and
repairs.



Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/23/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More
comments & Group Insurance Question

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 7:38 AM





 



















In my experience we all compare

prices of insurance without really being able to
completely

compare everything we are buying. So, in most cases we
wind

up buying from the low-cost provider, and/or because the

policy has clauses that are meaningful to us, such as

hurricane coverage. 

We

certainly did not buy our Amels based on Amel being a

low-priced boat that does one thing. Also, most of us
really

will not know what we have bought until we have to make
a

claim. I never had to make a claim. So, in my 16+ years

experience all of the carriers I had were great...they

accepted my money.

Regarding

"single handed" coverage, I believe that

regardless of whether the vessel has 1 or 6 crew, if
there

is any indication that an accident occurs because of
crew

not maintaining a proper watch, or if there is any

indication that the boat is not being operated safely
and

maintained properly, your insurance company will refuse
to

pay a claim.



It is too bad

that there is not a member of this group that could
leverage

the reliability and safety record of Amel and the

power of this group's membership to provide a

policy written just for Amel owners. Is there someone in

this group that has the experience to put this together?



BillX-BeBeGalveston

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at

6:56 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Good morning Bill,







The liability is for 3 million Euro (mu current insurance
is

7 million euro).







Ho yes, I can’t believe the difference between
Pantaenius

that quoted me for 7.000 Euro (or $7500)



My current insurance which is 3700 Euro (or $3900)



And Y Yacht insurance which 2400 Euro (or $2600).







Therefore Y Insurance is the strictest regarding
coverage

during named storm, there is no coverage unless you are on
a

crate in specific location.







Sincerely, Alexandre







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On Thu, 2/23/17, greatketch@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com> wrote:







Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) -
Single

handed coverage??



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com



Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 6:45 AM











 







































Alexandre,



Was



that quote for hull insurance only?  or did it include



liability coverage as well? 



That is about what we pay for our



Pantaneous policy, just for hull insurance.  US$3M



liability adds another $1200 per annum.



It is fascinating to me to see the



differences in terms and pricing even between policies



written by the same company.  It just reinforces the

advice



to shop and negotiate for your own situation, and not

rely



on anecdotal comments from others to decide what works

for



you.  Although those anecdotes can sure help with the



negotiation :)



Bill KinneySM#160



HarmonieMayaguez, Puerto



Rico







---In



amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com, <uster@...> wrote



:







Good morning,















Just to add information to the subject.







I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.







for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400

Euro



($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to

19N



and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and



Curacao).







There is NO coverage between June and November during



windstorm name, unless the vessel is:







-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC







-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose

built



crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)







-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip

with



all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)







-Solo is limited to 18 hours.















We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my

lines



are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc.

so



they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple

dock



lines.















I am seriously considering using them once my current



insurance expires.















Sincerely, Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson clothes washer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Kent,

It may be caused by the water pump no longer working, or clogged.

Remove the two bolts and remove the L shaped wood surrounding your washer...be careful with the washer cabinet lid which will come loose.

On the front of the washer is a clean-out and inspection port for the water pump. On the front of the washer is a manual drain hose.

Do a little investigation...if it is the water pump, I have a source for you...if it is just clogged have your wet-vac handy and of course buckets to drain the washer through the manual drain hose on the front of the washer.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ahoy, all!
My Thompson Washer/Dryer has just stopped spinning (Essorage) the water out of the clothes.  It stops when the Essorage light comes on.  I don't have any info on this unit and need some advice about what to look for...?and how?

Muchas Gracias from Panama
Kent
S/V Kristy SM243





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson clothes washer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

It may be caused by the water pump no longer working, or clogged.

Remove the two bolts and remove the L shaped wood surrounding your washer...be careful with the washer cabinet lid which will come loose.

On the front of the washer is a clean-out and inspection port for the water pump. On the front of the washer is a manual drain hose.

Do a little investigation...if it is the water pump, I have a source for you...if it is just clogged have your wet-vac handy and of course buckets to drain the washer through the manual drain hose on the front of the washer.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ahoy, all!
My Thompson Washer/Dryer has just stopped spinning (Essorage) the water out of the clothes.  It stops when the Essorage light comes on.  I don't have any info on this unit and need some advice about what to look for...?and how?

Muchas Gracias from Panama
Kent
S/V Kristy SM243




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Definitely true.

I can’t resist mention I purchased my insurance from DeLassee base on the forum, if I never had a claim I would have advertise them.
But I had an accident (my boat is ins its slip at the marina - another boat looses control hit me, then he owner panic put full reverse and destroyed the bow pulpit).
While “my” insurance recognized I was a “zero” fault, they deem not worth pursing the other insurance…
They also never sent an expert to help assessing the damaged (while the other insurance did for the other boat).
At the end between the “vetuste” (not being new) I received 1/4 of the total damages.
Not to mention, they said the estimate for the repair quote ($20.000) was too much, took them 3 months to get me someone else for the same amount… (delay and cost at my expense).

I was told nowadays insurers are more like “lawyers” with the way they handle cases, will always find something somewhere not to reimbursed.
And I totally believe that even with several crews onboard, insurance will find ways to justify less reimbursement.

Talking with Y Yacht insurance, I told them I was often make fun of because I have “30” fenders onboard racing from 8” to 21” diameter which I use in marina as well as anchor (if I have neighbors).
My reason is simple: too many times I see people not knowing what they do, plus the so called “local captain” (smelling beer 3ft away) delivering boat and who couldn’t care less (not too long ago, one used the corner of the concrete dock to pivot/rotate the boat…), and of course there is always the possibility that “I” will be at fault because current or wind are against me.
Fenders are a lot less expensive than deductible or/and repairs.

Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/23/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 7:38 AM


 









In my experience we all compare
prices of insurance without really being able to completely
compare everything we are buying. So, in most cases we wind
up buying from the low-cost provider, and/or because the
policy has clauses that are meaningful to us, such as
hurricane coverage. 
We
certainly did not buy our Amels based on Amel being a
low-priced boat that does one thing. Also, most of us really
will not know what we have bought until we have to make a
claim. I never had to make a claim. So, in my 16+ years
experience all of the carriers I had were great...they
accepted my money.
Regarding
"single handed" coverage, I believe that
regardless of whether the vessel has 1 or 6 crew, if there
is any indication that an accident occurs because of crew
not maintaining a proper watch, or if there is any
indication that the boat is not being operated safely and
maintained properly, your insurance company will refuse to
pay a claim.

It is too bad
that there is not a member of this group that could leverage
the reliability and safety record of Amel and the
power of this group's membership to provide a
policy written just for Amel owners. Is there someone in
this group that has the experience to put this together?

BillX-BeBeGalveston
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at
6:56 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good morning Bill,



The liability is for 3 million Euro (mu current insurance is
7 million euro).



Ho yes, I can’t believe the difference between Pantaenius
that quoted me for 7.000 Euro (or $7500)

My current insurance which is 3700 Euro (or $3900)

And Y Yacht insurance which 2400 Euro (or $2600).



Therefore Y Insurance is the strictest regarding coverage
during named storm, there is no coverage unless you are on a
crate in specific location.



Sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Thu, 2/23/17, greatketch@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single
handed coverage??

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 6:45 AM





 



















Alexandre,

Was

that quote for hull insurance only?  or did it include

liability coverage as well? 

That is about what we pay for our

Pantaneous policy, just for hull insurance.  US$3M

liability adds another $1200 per annum.

It is fascinating to me to see the

differences in terms and pricing even between policies

written by the same company.  It just reinforces the
advice

to shop and negotiate for your own situation, and not
rely

on anecdotal comments from others to decide what works
for

you.  Although those anecdotes can sure help with the

negotiation :)

Bill KinneySM#160

HarmonieMayaguez, Puerto

Rico



---In

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com, <uster@...> wrote

:



Good morning,







Just to add information to the subject.



I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.



for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400
Euro

($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to
19N

and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and

Curacao).



There is NO coverage between June and November during

windstorm name, unless the vessel is:



-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC



-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose
built

crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)



-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip
with

all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)



-Solo is limited to 18 hours.







We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my
lines

are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc.
so

they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple
dock

lines.







I am seriously considering using them once my current

insurance expires.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


Thomson clothes washer

karkauai
 

Ahoy, all!
My Thompson Washer/Dryer has just stopped spinning (Essorage) the water out of the clothes.  It stops when the Essorage light comes on.  I don't have any info on this unit and need some advice about what to look for...?and how?

Muchas Gracias from Panama
Kent
S/V Kristy SM243



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

In my experience we all compare prices of insurance without really being able to completely compare everything we are buying. So, in most cases we wind up buying from the low-cost provider, and/or because the policy has clauses that are meaningful to us, such as hurricane coverage. 

We certainly did not buy our Amels based on Amel being a low-priced boat that does one thing. Also, most of us really will not know what we have bought until we have to make a claim. I never had to make a claim. So, in my 16+ years experience all of the carriers I had were great...they accepted my money.

Regarding "single handed" coverage, I believe that regardless of whether the vessel has 1 or 6 crew, if there is any indication that an accident occurs because of crew not maintaining a proper watch, or if there is any indication that the boat is not being operated safely and maintained properly, your insurance company will refuse to pay a claim.

It is too bad that there is not a member of this group that could leverage the reliability and safety record of Amel and the power of this group's membership to provide a policy written just for Amel owners. Is there someone in this group that has the experience to put this together?

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Bill,

The liability is for 3 million Euro (mu current insurance is 7 million euro).

Ho yes, I can’t believe the difference between Pantaenius that quoted me for 7.000 Euro (or $7500)
My current insurance which is 3700 Euro (or $3900)
And Y Yacht insurance which 2400 Euro (or $2600).

Therefore Y Insurance is the strictest regarding coverage during named storm, there is no coverage unless you are on a crate in specific location.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/23/17, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 6:45 AM


 









Alexandre,
Was
that quote for hull insurance only?  or did it include
liability coverage as well? 
That is about what we pay for our
Pantaneous policy, just for hull insurance.  US$3M
liability adds another $1200 per annum.
It is fascinating to me to see the
differences in terms and pricing even between policies
written by the same company.  It just reinforces the advice
to shop and negotiate for your own situation, and not rely
on anecdotal comments from others to decide what works for
you.  Although those anecdotes can sure help with the
negotiation :)
Bill KinneySM#160
HarmonieMayaguez, Puerto


Rico

---In
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote
:

Good morning,



Just to add information to the subject.

I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.

for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400 Euro
($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to 19N
and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and
Curacao).

There is NO coverage between June and November during
windstorm name, unless the vessel is:

-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC

-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose built
crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)

-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip with
all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)

-Solo is limited to 18 hours.



We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my lines
are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc. so
they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple dock
lines.



I am seriously considering using them once my current
insurance expires.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

We even had a small package of JB Weld in our ditch bag.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:54 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ya gotta luv good ol’JB!

 

I repaired a holding tank on a previous boat with JB. Not the sort of thing you want to leak again. It held for 10 years, that I know of.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Cambridge Cay – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

 

 

Hi Duane,

Now that others have told you how to remove your tank and to look for an accumulator, there may be an option to buying and modifying a new tank.

My tank developed pin hole leaks on the bottom due to bits of an old failed electric heating element having fallen in and corroding the tank wall. I simply roughed up the area around the holes with sandpaper and applied a thin coat of J-B Weld (Epoxy "Steel"). That was 8 years ago and still no leaks! (I did remove the bits.) This should work wherever your leak is - around a fitting, a seam or, like mine, on the tank wall.

Good luck with it,

Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 



Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

greatketch@...
 

No, not connected to the Hydra system.  Ours is connected to a Navico (B&G) sounder module, which interfaces via ethernet directly to our chart plotter.

Right now our hydra system is being used really only for transmitting the wind data to the chartplotter via NEMA1083 so it can be distributed to other instruments via NMEA2K.  Once that wind instrument dies, the hydra will likely be history.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Mayaguez, Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

The liability is for 3 million Euro (mu current insurance is 7 million euro).

Ho yes, I can’t believe the difference between Pantaenius that quoted me for 7.000 Euro (or $7500)
My current insurance which is 3700 Euro (or $3900)
And Y Yacht insurance which 2400 Euro (or $2600).

Therefore Y Insurance is the strictest regarding coverage during named storm, there is no coverage unless you are on a crate in specific location.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/23/17, greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017, 6:45 AM


 









Alexandre,
Was
that quote for hull insurance only?  or did it include
liability coverage as well? 
That is about what we pay for our
Pantaneous policy, just for hull insurance.  US$3M
liability adds another $1200 per annum.
It is fascinating to me to see the
differences in terms and pricing even between policies
written by the same company.  It just reinforces the advice
to shop and negotiate for your own situation, and not rely
on anecdotal comments from others to decide what works for
you.  Although those anecdotes can sure help with the
negotiation :)
Bill KinneySM#160
HarmonieMayaguez, Puerto
Rico

---In
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <uster@...> wrote
:

Good morning,



Just to add information to the subject.

I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.

for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400 Euro
($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to 19N
and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and
Curacao).

There is NO coverage between June and November during
windstorm name, unless the vessel is:

-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC

-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose built
crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)

-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip with
all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)

-Solo is limited to 18 hours.



We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my lines
are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc. so
they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple dock
lines.



I am seriously considering using them once my current
insurance expires.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


Re: Sonic Speed Replacement

greatketch@...
 

I put my P79 about 75 cm to starboard of the port for the orignal Amel installed sounder.  The Amel hull does not give the level of performance for me that I know the P79 is capable of from previous installations on other boats.  My Amel install is than adequate for navigation, but limiting in fishfinding ability.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Mayagues, Puerto Rico


---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote :

Thanks Bill,
That sounds like a good solution.
Where on the hull did you install the P79 ?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

greatketch@...
 

Alexandre,

Was that quote for hull insurance only?  or did it include liability coverage as well? 

That is about what we pay for our Pantaneous policy, just for hull insurance.  US$3M liability adds another $1200 per annum.

It is fascinating to me to see the differences in terms and pricing even between policies written by the same company.  It just reinforces the advice to shop and negotiate for your own situation, and not rely on anecdotal comments from others to decide what works for you.  Although those anecdotes can sure help with the negotiation :)

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Mayaguez, Puerto Rico


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Good morning,

Just to add information to the subject.
I requested a quote from Y Yacht Insurance.
for 280.000 Euro vessel ($300.000) the premium is 2400 Euro ($2600) for cruising area (Easter) Caribbean Lat 9N to 19N and Long 58W to 68W PLUS the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao).
There is NO coverage between June and November during windstorm name, unless the vessel is:
-In the water Chaguaramas (Trinidad) or the ABC
-Ashore in Grenada or Antigua on the One piece purpose built crate (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)
-In the new Marina in Fort De France, in double slip with all lines double (deductible is increase to 6000 Euro)
-Solo is limited to 18 hours.

We have been talking back and forth, I mentioned my lines are always double, explain how many fenders I use, etc. so they would consider adding the Anse Marcel with triple dock lines.

I am seriously considering using them once my current insurance expires.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI