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Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

Eloi Bamberg
 

Bill,
I have the same small pipe Christian is pointing at on hull 426.

I was referring to the pool of water. I have read everything I could find on that problem in this forum and your "bible". As I understand, if the bowthruster leaks the water should be evacuated through the tube coming from the housing of the thruster. If not, it should first "pass" the front cabin, there it is bone dry. I will investigate further with paper towels as you suggested.

Eloi


Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

 

Christian,

I believe that the gray pipe must have been added. Gray PVC is generally an electrical conduit, and I simply do not remember anything there. Maybe someone else does, and if so, please post a photo of it. I went through all of my photos of this area and found nothing.

Eloi, you wrote, "pic1)  I have the same problem and can't find out where it comes from." Are you referring to the pool of water or the gray pipe?

Water in this area almost always comes from seepage from the bow thruster seals. Also, this area of the bilge is the lowest point between the bow and the watertight bulkhead. So any leak from anywhere will accumulate here. I suggest that you dry this area completely and then create a dam of some sort of powder encircling where the pool of water is shown. This will allow you to determine which direction it is coming from. Also, take paper towels and place them around suspicious pipes, hoses, and fittings. Monitor all of these closely and within a few days, you will know much more.



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 4:43 AM Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> wrote:
Hi,
pic1)  I have the same problem and can't find out where it comes from.
pics 2 to 4) When I had that, as Jason wrote, it was a leak under the sink, the little "funnel" in the mid part between the two sinks was broken.

Eloi
SM2K 426 RedLion
Göcek, Turkey


Re: Laurens and Rineke Vos's used Amel 54 sails

amelforme
 

Bill, this is going to seem to be a mutual admiration situation because I completely agree with you. I think Laurens takes such good care of his stuff, he usually has people fighting over it on resale so he is not as concerned with the details and explanations. In every case it is best to make  an effort to be sure nobody is unhappy, buyer and seller alike, in every transaction.  

 

All the best,

Joel

 

            JOEL F. POTTER – CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, LLC

                                           The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                              OFFICE:  954-462-5869             Cell:  954-812-2485

 

 


Re: last idea and a question

 

Eric,

Amel Martinique does not replace rigging and the Amel Martinique facility has been without office clerical help for a long time. 

I really hate to see the disparaging remark you made about Alban LEROY, the manager of Amel Martinique. I consider Alban one of the finest people in the world to help us with SMs, 54s, and 55s. He certainly is not infallible, but your message is posted without Alban having the ability to respond, and you are wrong about who installed your rigging. As you know, we ask that you refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond. 

I'll step in and give you a partial answer based on what I know. 
Almost all rigging replaced in Martinique is done by Caraibe Greement (Caribbean Rigging) I assume it is possible that Alban may have handled this for you as a contractor/subcontractor because he knows you, but normally he refers rigging work directly to Caraibe. I know Carabie, its owner, and its 8 managers well. I recommend them. Caraibe Greement uses German Stainless Steel wire and ACMO fittings. They have quality swage equipment and the 8 Caraibe companies are owned by PHILIPPE LECONTE <philippe@...>. The Rigging Manager is Gaëtan Rivet <gaetan@...>. Please read what is on my website regarding this company: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/caraibe-marine.html

I do not know why you had a rigging failure, but you should contact the above for an answer.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 10:45 PM Eric Freedman <kimberlite.ef@...> wrote:


Re: Laurens and Rineke Vos's used Amel 54 sails

 

Joel,

Thanks for your very important email.

The content of your posting, as well as, what I wrote is very important to transparency. Lauren omitted the age and the condition when he posted the sails for sale. He should have included that especially when the transaction price is what it is.

Our group does not have any rules regarding this sort of thing because we have not needed them and I do not like rules which cover common sense. Frankly when and if we ever need rules like that I will reconsider my relationship with the group.

There are many lessons to learn from this. I learned that someone I trust very much (Joel Potter) completely trusts Laurens Vos. This is enough for me. But this circle of "known trust" is much smaller than the 1,250 members that received Laurens' for sale posting. 

This is exactly my point. We all need to try to be as transparent and complete as possible when listing something for sale. I could list many Amel owners who I know were disappointed in one or more purchases they made because the purchase did not meet their expectations. As you know, Joel, expectations get out of hand when transparency and information are lacking. You of all people know this because unlike many sales reps you go to great lengths to ensure the buyer completely understands what he is buying.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 9:38 AM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:



Hi Bill. I entirely agree with your suggestion that this groups members should always disclose as much accurate and useful information on the items they offer for sale. One thing I really appreciate about our owners group is most posters are determined to not only get their message across accurately, but also that we have so little grousing when someone disagrees with a posting. Looking at other owners groups means putting on a flack jacket. Accusations. Condemnations. Cancellations. Lots of vicious incoming and outgoing. The Amel Yacht Owners Group mostly avoids these things and we are all the better for it. I am always quite pleased to tell my potential Amel owners to have a look  at our group. This resource makes potential owners more comfortable. They can determine that there will  always be someone with more experience than they have who will send information that will make any challenge more manageable. This is a wonderful thing.

 

I must come to the defense of Lauren Vos’s recent offer of his sails for sale. Here is why. Back when I was still relatively young, Laurens and Rineke bought a new Amel Mango from Amel and soon thereafter they sailed across the Atlantic ocean. They spent a season sailing around the Caribbean and then, like many young entrepreneurial people, they got slightly bored at the same time they got a great idea for a  new business. They came to Fort Lauderdale and contacted me about selling it. When I went to the boat I found it to be in absolutely like new condition. Having sold and delivered many new Amel boats, I was familiar with what like new means. I had never seen a boat so clean, no wear and tear, engine room and bilge spotless, everything worked. Everything! Even the inside of the chain locker was spotless…

 

It sold to the first person to look at it, who was happy to pay nearly full price. The only survey recommendation was to paint the bottom at the next haul out. Having sold and resold hundreds of Amels and other high quality boats, I have yet to sell another boat that was the equal of theirs.  I usually offer some written suggestions of things to improve on boats I list for sale. Not on this one. The folks who bought it sailed it around the world. I resold it and sold them a new Super Maramu.

 

I would buy a used horse, sight unseen, from Laurens and Rineke.

 

 

All the best,

Joel

 

            JOEL F. POTTER – CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, LLC

                                           The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                              OFFICE:  954-462-5869             Cell:  954-812-2485

 

 

 

Vela


Laurens and Rineke Vos's used Amel 54 sails

amelforme
 



Hi Bill. I entirely agree with your suggestion that this groups members should always disclose as much accurate and useful information on the items they offer for sale. One thing I really appreciate about our owners group is most posters are determined to not only get their message across accurately, but also that we have so little grousing when someone disagrees with a posting. Looking at other owners groups means putting on a flack jacket. Accusations. Condemnations. Cancellations. Lots of vicious incoming and outgoing. The Amel Yacht Owners Group mostly avoids these things and we are all the better for it. I am always quite pleased to tell my potential Amel owners to have a look  at our group. This resource makes potential owners more comfortable. They can determine that there will  always be someone with more experience than they have who will send information that will make any challenge more manageable. This is a wonderful thing.

 

I must come to the defense of Lauren Vos’s recent offer of his sails for sale. Here is why. Back when I was still relatively young, Laurens and Rineke bought a new Amel Mango from Amel and soon thereafter they sailed across the Atlantic ocean. They spent a season sailing around the Caribbean and then, like many young entrepreneurial people, they got slightly bored at the same time they got a great idea for a  new business. They came to Fort Lauderdale and contacted me about selling it. When I went to the boat I found it to be in absolutely like new condition. Having sold and delivered many new Amel boats, I was familiar with what like new means. I had never seen a boat so clean, no wear and tear, engine room and bilge spotless, everything worked. Everything! Even the inside of the chain locker was spotless…

 

It sold to the first person to look at it, who was happy to pay nearly full price. The only survey recommendation was to paint the bottom at the next haul out. Having sold and resold hundreds of Amels and other high quality boats, I have yet to sell another boat that was the equal of theirs.  I usually offer some written suggestions of things to improve on boats I list for sale. Not on this one. The folks who bought it sailed it around the world. I resold it and sold them a new Super Maramu.

 

I would buy a used horse, sight unseen, from Laurens and Rineke.

 

 

All the best,

Joel

 

            JOEL F. POTTER – CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, LLC

                                           The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                              OFFICE:  954-462-5869             Cell:  954-812-2485

 

 

 

Vela


Re: Which oil

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 

Thank you very much for the valuable recommendations, David and Colin.

Daniel
Oronia
Mango #14


Re: Yanmar Alternator question

Dean Gillies
 

I agree with Alan.  This device can also help to reduce conducted or radiated radio frequency interference by suppressing voltage spikes during normal operation of the alternator. That may be important if, for example, the SSB radio is being affected by noise from the alternator. 
--
Dean Gillies
SV Stella *****,  Amel 54-154


Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hi,
pic1)  I have the same problem and can't find out where it comes from.
pics 2 to 4) When I had that, as Jason wrote, it was a leak under the sink, the little "funnel" in the mid part between the two sinks was broken.

Eloi
SM2K 426 RedLion
Göcek, Turkey


Re: last idea and a question

Chip Beaman
 

Eric,
Was that Acmo rigging?
CB
SM2K #430


On Jul 6, 2022, at 9:45 PM, Eric Freedman <kimberlite.ef@...> wrote:



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last idea and a question

Eric Freedman
 

_._,_._,_

If You happen to remove a gearbox. Clean it up and have it powder coated.

It should last forever. I put a flush plug in the drill holes for the grease fitting holes.  Incidentally I do not like the idea of a zerk grease fitting on the gearbox exposed to the salt.

 

My wheel was also looking sad, there was galvanic corrosion between the stripes that Amel put in the spokes, and the spokes of the wheel. I ordered a leather from Amel. It took six weeks, but they had it made and now it looks like new.

 

 

QUESTION,

The above 2 rigging photos are of my 2 forward lowers. I had all the standing rigging changed 2 ½ years ago by Amel in Martinique. I figured after 75,000+ miles and 18 years, it was time. I had the rig inspected numerous times with no problems.

 

A year and a half ago I went back to Martinique to have Amel check the tension on the new rigging and everything was “perfect”.  This fall while I was in St Maarten, I asked the riggers replace some running rigging.

As soon as the rigger stepped on board, he noticed both lowers had a wire that was cracked. I pulled the wire away from the swage so Amel could explain why this happened.

 

I wrote to Alban 5 times in Martinique at both addresses that I have, and he did not have the courtesy to answer me.

I finally had FKG rigging replace the broken wires. Very disappointing as Amel has always been super good with me over the 20 years I have had Kimberlite.

 

Does anyone have a guess why these 2 wires broke?

FKG did not have a clue. I measured the tension before the wires were changed and both the forward and aft lowers had the exact same tension.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Some more solutions that I have come up with

Eric Freedman
 

When I had to rebuild the manual main gearbox, I found the main foil was damaged- photo 1.

 

Some people just cut that piece out and redrill the foil.

However, the foil is still held in place by one bolt all the force of the motor is on 2 small pieces of aluminum. I had a machine shop fabricate the collar in photo 2. Thus the force of the motor is spread to 2 bolts.

 

Photo 3 shows a grease hole with a nylon machine screw, I use the autoprop tool to add grease.

You then remove the lower bolt furthest from the grease hole on the black collar. You can then pack the furler with grease without removing the and disassembling the unit the old grease just flows out the hole in the collar.

 

***  As an additional note, some people add the same type of bolt to the outhaul and furling motors on the main. Photos that I have seen show 2 holes on the same side of the gearbox.

I believe it is better to have one hole low and the other high on the opposite side of the gearbox. I put grease in one side-,the lower bottom , and the old grease comes out high  the opposite side.

 

For the main furler if I recall correctly, putting the holes on opposite sides is not possible. I believe I put one low on one side of the gearbox and another one higher as far away form the first as possible. 20 years and still the same gearboxes. I did the same on the genoa furler.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

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Re: Yanmar Alternator question

Alan Leslie
 

It's probably a Tvs diode,  or high current avalanche diode, installed to protect the alternator from a sudden disconnect of the battery.
Alternators generally don't like being disconnected from the battery when they are turning.
Disconnection creates a large voltage spike which exceeds the diode's avalanche breakdown potential and the current is sent to ground thus protecting the alternbator from an open circuit.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Some solutions that I have come up with

Eric Freedman
 

 

Did you ever try to unscrew the 2 screws that hold the packing nut retainer in place while at sea?

I took my Dremel tool and cut 2 notches in the rudder quadrant with a carbide bit.

If I would have thought of it while I had the new quadrant made from stainless it would have been much nicer.

I got tired of cleaning up the old steel quadrant.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 


Re: Yanmar Alternator question

Eric Freedman
 

That is definitely not from the factory.

By the shape of the heat shrink, it could be a diode, but that makes no sense. Did you cut it open to see what it is?

 

You should have only 3 connections on that alternator.

The indexed plug, the positive connection to the starter battery connection on the engine, ground wire.  Did you look at the ground connection on the alternator to see if it is insulated?

If not possibly the alternator was changed with a non isolated ground alternator and somehow this is a work around.

Also did you trace the ground wire to where it originates?

 

There should also be a wire hanging loose which is used on other boats for the tachometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Chris Doucette
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 6:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Alternator question

 

I believe its time to replace my yanmar alternator-  does anyone know what this wire is between the ground and positive post?   


Chris sm 385 Amarok


Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Cristian,

I would check the “y” copper fitting for a hairline crack at the forward head.. I had to replace mine for the same problem that you mentioned. The crack was on the underside of the fitting and being that it also has the anchor locker connected

the water might be a bit salty but it also mixes with the shower and sink drain water.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Christian Sloane
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 8:06 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] questions from the bilge... ;)

 

Thanks, I will investigate!

christian

Escapades

SM #350

 

(m) 858-414-0602

IF THIS COMMUNICATION INVOLVES DISCUSSION OF PATIENT CARE ISSUES IN THE PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PROCESS, IT IS PROTECTED FROM DISCOVERY BY CALIFORNIA EVIDENCE CODE 1157 AS A CONFIDENTIAL MEDICAL STAFF COMMUNICATION.



On Jul 6, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Jason Rutledge <jasonrutledge1@...> wrote:

 

I'm not sure what the tube is you're pointing at...I'm not sure if I have that, but i'm won't be at my SM335 for a few months.

Regarding the water under the table,  I had that when a water connection leaked under the galley sink and eventually it made its way to under the table.  In that case, I also had water in the floor locker in the galley and the floor lockers your standing on in the pictures.  Good luck!
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335

 


Re: Quick question- Tie off helm at anchor / mooring or not?

David Vogel
 

Thanks Bill,

I'd better put an inspection of the rack onto my "ToDo" list upon return to Perigee in the next week (or two) - COVID having delayed our travel plans back to NZ.

Best,

David


From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 11:11 pm
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Quick question- Tie off helm at anchor / mooring or not?

David,

Also, many times the autopilot will steer back and forth near the center...personally, I believe the autopilot is a big contributor to the wear experienced on some racks with SMs older than 25 years.




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

 tel:+1 832-380-4970 | mailto:brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
http://www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
   



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On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:17 AM David Vogel <mailto:david.vogel@...> wrote:
Offering another point for the tie-off debate ...

In the first 12 months ownership, I was meticulous to centre the wheel and tie it off firmly whenever in marina, mooring ball, or on anchor.  There was an inevitable amount of movement at the rudder stock, but limited, mainly due to the effects of wind and currents.

At about 15 months, I started getting an intermittent failure of the rudder-position sensor.  At the center-point - exactly when the ruder was sitting when centred and tie-off.  This lead to failure-alarms on the autopilot when in use, and was indicated also by a null-value being returned on the N2K bus looking at the rudder position.

A change-out of the rudder-position sensor resolved the issue.  Breakdown of the old part revealed undue wear at the centre spot.  I take it that this was the result of my exactitude when tying off the rudder, the inevitable but minute movement of the rudder stock then being concentrating the wear onto a tiny spot on the arc of the rudder position sensor.

I now vary the tie-off position a little each time when tying off the wheel, to spread the wear.  Perhaps this applies to the rack-and-pinion teeth too.

David
SM#396, Perigee
NZ



From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Kinney <mailto:cruisingconsulting@...>
Reply to: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 1:52 am
To: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Quick question- Tie off helm at anchor / mooring or not?

I am going to add a couple extra thoughts about the steering system that will hopefully help somebody...

The entire system from the cables, and gearing at the wheel is designed to PULL the rudder in response to the turning of the wheel.  If the cables are kept in good adjustment, this is the way it will work.  The pinion gear on the wheel shaft will always engage its load with the same side of the rack teeth and a little wear doesn't really matter that much, it is taken up by the cables.

If the cables are loose, and the rudder is free to "flop" this cause a couple issues. Obviously, extra play makes hand steering a bit mushy and imprecise, but there are a bunch of mechanical issues too. The racks now bang back and forth against the pinion teeth, increasing the risk of breaking a tooth. Sometime the cables have to "push" the rudder into position, and this causes extra wear on the cables.

When sailing under autopilot, if you are using the linear drive connected to the quadrant, the load on the cables and gear is lower, they aren't working the rudder, just the wheel.  But still, if the cables are loose, the wheel spins a bit back and forth and the gearing and cables have to absorb the inertia of the spinning wheel. If you are using the chain drive, it is using the gearing and cables to turn the rudder.  If there is extra play, not only do you have all the wear issues mentioned already, but your autopilot will have to use a lot more power, and it will have much poorer control over the boat's direction because it will be unable to hold the rudder at one exact angle.

The adjustment procedure was described here:  https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/30542I hesitate to disagree with Olivier on even the tiniest detail, but for me hand steering with 5cm of play in the steering wheel would drive me NUTS.  We set ours up to a fraction of that.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Port Louis, Grenada.


Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

Christian Sloane
 

Thanks, I will investigate!
christian
Escapades
SM #350

(m) 858-414-0602

IF THIS COMMUNICATION INVOLVES DISCUSSION OF PATIENT CARE ISSUES IN THE PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PROCESS, IT IS PROTECTED FROM DISCOVERY BY CALIFORNIA EVIDENCE CODE 1157 AS A CONFIDENTIAL MEDICAL STAFF COMMUNICATION.

On Jul 6, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Jason Rutledge <jasonrutledge1@...> wrote:

I'm not sure what the tube is you're pointing at...I'm not sure if I have that, but i'm won't be at my SM335 for a few months.

Regarding the water under the table,  I had that when a water connection leaked under the galley sink and eventually it made its way to under the table.  In that case, I also had water in the floor locker in the galley and the floor lockers your standing on in the pictures.  Good luck!
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: questions from the bilge... ;)

Jason Rutledge
 

I'm not sure what the tube is you're pointing at...I'm not sure if I have that, but i'm won't be at my SM335 for a few months.

Regarding the water under the table,  I had that when a water connection leaked under the galley sink and eventually it made its way to under the table.  In that case, I also had water in the floor locker in the galley and the floor lockers your standing on in the pictures.  Good luck!
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Yanmar Alternator question

Chris Doucette
 

I believe its time to replace my yanmar alternator-  does anyone know what this wire is between the ground and positive post?   


Chris sm 385 Amarok