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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

tfortner1975
 

Hello Alexandre,

Thank you.  I'm currently in Abu Dhabi. The boat is in Langkawi and soon back to Phuket for some small work.  Then I'll either resign from work and go to the boat or bring the boat to Abu Dhabi and work for another year. 

Cheers 

And your documentation of the work you do on your boat is priceless and much appreciated. Thank you. 

On Oct 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Congratulations Trevor, where are you located?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Mon, 10/17/16, Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin
To: "'amelyachtowners@...'" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, October 17, 2016, 9:05 AM


 













Trevor,
I have a 1990
Santorin SN24. I don’t know what I have is that great of a
manual, but it is something.  Contact me off the Amel
owners site and I will try to
help. Also please post the boats name, number, and location
on emails. I think that you find the Santorins systems
intuitive and like all Amels amazingly well thought out.

 
Ric
(ric@...)
Bali Hai
SN24
Annapolis

 


From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:09 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990
Santorin


 
 



Hello All,



I have finally taken possession of a 1990 Santorin, formerly
named AKWAABA.  The previous family bought her new in
1990.  Conducting a true turnover of the boat was not
possible, due to various events.  Which as you could
imagine is not ideal; I could have
learned an enormous amount of valuable information in the
process.  They have left behind plenty of folders and files
to rummage through.  I have not come across the factory /
original manual that would state what equipment is
installed, location, etc.  I
do understand that some items vary boat to boat.  However,
If any one has a Santorin manual they don't mind sharing
I would greatly appreciate it.  I do intend on tracing
every thing out, sorting out the major items, then slowly
updating or modifying as required. 
And mapping out plumbing, wiring, etc. (using some of
Bebe's meticulous charts as a guideline - thank you).




I have searched the group site for all things SANTORIN and
downloaded such.



Take Care,

Trevor
 

















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sea wather from bow-thruster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Both good questions.

Here is my opinion. Henri Amel created a really good retractable bow thruster when there were none on the market. It went through several changes and updates in its 25+/- year history. I suspect the O ring was replaced by the lip seal for some good reason. I do not know the reason.

I believe and Amel specifies that the bow thruster should be serviced every 2 years, replacing the gear oil, the foam donuts, lip seal, nylon hub for the propeller, and the propeller shaft seal. Your Amel is certainly due for the two year service and also possibly the replacement of the internal bearings.

I have never stored BeBe on the hard for any length of time, but if I did, it probably makes sense  to release the pin on the Bow Thruster. BTW, Amel recommends releasing tension on all sail halyards when not sailing.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:24 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Great analysis.  

   On the bow thruster for my 1987 Maramu, I have two large O-ring grooves moulded into the hole in the hull for the composite tube to slid and seal on instead of the lip seal used on the Super Maramu.   Do you know if this system worked well or should I look at upgrading to the newer system with the lip seal?

   One other question.  I noticed that the old foam donuts had compressed quite a bit,  measuring about 2/3 of their original thickness where they had been under pressure.  My boat is currently in dry storage and I was wondering if it might be best to leave the pin out and to not fully compress my new seals until the boat is put back into service?  

Best,

James Alton

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


This is my guess:

When the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort," the foam donuts are probably being distorted and water is passing through where the foam is distorted.

When the "BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort," the foam aligns as it should and the unit is sealed.

I believe your problem with water entry is that the "raised limit" is not correct when the "B.T. climbs higher."

There could be different causes based on the year of manufacture of your Amel bow thruster. If I had your problem on Super Maramu #387, the most likely defective parts would be the upper limit switch or the relay it is connect to inside of the control box...and it could be either the switch or the relay, or both. 

I am convinced this is what is happening when  the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort:"
  1. The bow thruster goes up and reaches the "raised limit" where it should stop
  2. The "raised limit" switch engages when it should...BUT..
  3. The actuator motor which raises and lowers continues raising the bow thruster until it reaches a physical limitation
  4. The actuator motor strains against the physical limitation and amperage increases in the circuit as the bow thruster can no longer move and heat travels through the circuit.
  5. When the amperage and heat increases enough through the relay, the relay finally makes correct contact or opens, stopping the actuator motor.
  6. But the bow thruster has distorted the lower foam seals and water will enter.
If this is not corrected soon, either some things will burn up including the actuator motor, relay and switch, or a fuse inside the control box will burn...but earlier model bow thrusters did not have this fuse and some bow thrusters have too large of a fuse.

Hopefully with my explanation, you, or a technician can find your problem.

In the meantime and until it is repaired, I advise you to manually turn off the bow thruster when you are raising it before it reaches the physical limit. One person at the bow thruster and one at the bow thruster power switch will work...then use the pin. You may have to pull on one of the cables to align the pin correctly.

Bill
BeBe 387

Questa è la mia ipotesi:

Quando l'elica di prua (B.T.) "sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo", le ciambelle schiuma sono probabilmente essere distorti e l'acqua sta attraversando in cui la schiuma è distorta.

Quando "B.T. sale meno, il perno entra con uno sforzo maggiore," la schiuma allinea come dovrebbe e l'unità è sigillata.

Credo che il tuo problema con l'ingresso di acqua è che il "limite sollevato" non è corretto quando il "B.T. sale più in alto."

Ci potrebbero essere diverse cause sulla base dell'anno di costruzione della vostra Amel BT. Se ho avuto il problema su Super Maramu # 387, le parti più probabili difettoso sarebbe l'interruttore di limite superiore o il relè si collegano verso l'interno della scatola di controllo ... e potrebbe essere sia l'interruttore o relè, o entrambi.

Sono convinto che questo è ciò che sta accadendo quando il "B.T. sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo:"
1.) Il B.T. sale e raggiunge il "limite sollevato" dove dovrebbe fermarsi
2.) L'interruttore di "limite sollevato" impegna quando dovrebbe ... MA ..
3.) Il motore attuatore che alza e abbassa continua alzando il B.T. fino a raggiungere una limitazione fisica
4.) Il motore attuatore ceppi contro la limitazione e l'amperaggio fisiche aumenti il ​​circuito con B.T. non può più muoversi e calore viaggia attraverso il circuito.
5.) Quando l'amperaggio e calore aumenta abbastanza attraverso il relè, il relè, infine, rende corretto contatto o si apre, arrestare il motore attuatore.
6.) Ma la B.T. ha distorto i sigilli schiuma bassi e l'acqua entrerà.
Se questo non è corretto presto, sia alcune cose brucerà tra cui il motore attuatore, relè e uno switch o un fusibile all'interno della scatola di controllo brucerà ... ma modello precedente B.T. non ha avuto questo fusibile e alcuni propulsori di prua hanno troppo grande di un fusibile.

Speriamo che con la mia spiegazione, voi, o un tecnico in grado di trovare il vostro problema.

Nel frattempo e fino a quando non viene riparato, vi consiglio di spegnere manualmente il B.T. quando si stanno alzando prima che raggiunga il limite fisico. Una persona alla B.T. e uno al B.T. interruttore di alimentazione funziona ... quindi utilizzare il pin. Potrebbe essere necessario tirare uno dei cavi per allineare correttamente il perno.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:00 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The bow of my boat is very high on the water level and the water enters in the boat only with waves.
I've done the maintenance and replaced 3 foam rings the springtime this year : two foam rings below and one above. Slightly cutting rings below on a side (starboard). The foams are the new ones 29x42x8.
The problem is :
sometimes the B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort, but , in case of waves, the water filters in the boat.
other times the BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort and the water does not enter.

How about  putting a third foam ring under??
To relace the rings in natural foam with those in neoprene coul be a solution?
Thanks to all. Regards.
 EnioRossi
#SN122 Earendil
Italy






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

JOHN HAYES
 

We asked for and received from Amel a wiring diagram by email for our 1991 Santorin based in Wellington. Helps if you understand French 

John


On 18/10/2016, at 3:05 AM, Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Trevor,

I have a 1990 Santorin SN24. I don’t know what I have is that great of a manual, but it is something.  Contact me off the Amel owners site and I will try to help. Also please post the boats name, number, and location on emails. I think that you find the Santorins systems intuitive and like all Amels amazingly well thought out.

 

Ric (ric@...)

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

 

 

Hello All,

I have finally taken possession of a 1990 Santorin, formerly named AKWAABA.  The previous family bought her new in 1990.  Conducting a true turnover of the boat was not possible, due to various events.  Which as you could imagine is not ideal; I could have learned an enormous amount of valuable information in the process.  They have left behind plenty of folders and files to rummage through.  I have not come across the factory / original manual that would state what equipment is installed, location, etc.  I do understand that some items vary boat to boat.  However, If any one has a Santorin manual they don't mind sharing I would greatly appreciate it.  I do intend on tracing every thing out, sorting out the major items, then slowly updating or modifying as required.  And mapping out plumbing, wiring, etc. (using some of Bebe's meticulous charts as a guideline - thank you).

I have searched the group site for all things SANTORIN and downloaded such.

Take Care,
Trevor

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill Kinney,

If anyone has need to use the Pigtail Shore Power Adapter, 30A 110-125V Male to 50A 125/250V Female, you will deliver 110VAC 60htz to the boat. That is the reason that I said Alex has no need for the plug in the link he sent. 

You said:
"The functional result on the boat is the same as plugging into a 50A-125/250V plug connected with three wires." but what you did not say is that it will only deliver 110-125VAC 60htz to the boat.

Frankly, I do not know what transformer Alex has, what the input requirements are, how it is wired, what its maximum amperage is, and if maybe something has changed since it was installed.

There is a device that will connect to two US type 30A 110-125VAC supplies and deliver 220-250VAC 60htz to the boat. It has 2 each 30A 110-125V Male connectors to connect to the shore power and 1 each  50A 220-250VAC 60htz Female connector to connect to the boat's US style plug. I have one and it will work when each of the 30A 125VAC connections are made to a different 110-125VAC circuit. I used this $800 device once and did not really need it because the marina had both the 30A 110-125VAC 60htz and the 50A 220-250VAC 60htz connections on shore. And, because to use the adapter, the two 30A 125V lines must be connected to a single power source providing from 208V to 250V between them for proper operation...in other words, the marina has to have 220-250VAC anyway, but possibly not 30 Amp connections.

My adapter is similar to this one in function: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/206914F/50-amp-shorepower-smart-reverse-y-adaptor-2-male-plugs.html

I also believe that without a complete inspection of Alex's boat, none of can help him accurately.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alexandre,


My boat also has the transformer. and having just redone the power cord, I know in detail how MY boat was wired for the 125 volt inlet cord.  This assumes that your existing cord with the 50 Amp connector is wired to bring 125 volts to the transformer.  This is the way my boat is wired. 

It is possible that the 50 A-125/250 volt cord was wired to bring 250 volts directly into the Amel electrical system.  If THAT is true, then the following is NOT true….


That is the correct adapter to make the connection.

USA marinas offer a very confusing number of electrical options. Compounded by the fact that we talk about 110 volts, 115 volts, 120 volts and 125 volts all for the same thing!

The 50 Amp 125/250 volt plug in the USA is a 4 wire plug.  It has a ground, connected to a metal rim, a neutral, and two hots connected to the three pins.  The two hot wires are 180 degrees out of phase, so between the two of them is 250 volts, and from each of those to the neutral wire is 125 volts.

On my boat, there was a 50 A 125/250 V plug on the end of the cord.  ONE of the hot wire pins was connected, along with the neutral and ground to bring 125 volt service on three wires in the boat to the transformer. The other hot wire was not connected.

30 A/125 V service is a 3 wire service.  One hot, one neutral, and one ground.  The adapter will connect the hot wire from the supply to BOTH hot wires in the 50 AMP plug.  Connected like this, each hot wire is 125volts to the neutral, and 0 volts to each other. The functional result on the boat is the same as plugging into a 50A-125/250V plug connected with three wires.

I hope that helps!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:10, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Good morning, 

The next marina I am going to is likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt. 
Since I have never used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works, so trying to cover options.  

I need 220 volt.  
I am very ignorant when it comes to electricity…  

Would the following product be ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a problem with the phases or something else… 

I am not concerned with the Amp, but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!  
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sea wather from bow-thruster

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Great analysis.  

   On the bow thruster for my 1987 Maramu, I have two large O-ring grooves moulded into the hole in the hull for the composite tube to slid and seal on instead of the lip seal used on the Super Maramu.   Do you know if this system worked well or should I look at upgrading to the newer system with the lip seal?

   One other question.  I noticed that the old foam donuts had compressed quite a bit,  measuring about 2/3 of their original thickness where they had been under pressure.  My boat is currently in dry storage and I was wondering if it might be best to leave the pin out and to not fully compress my new seals until the boat is put back into service?  

Best,

James Alton

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy

On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:59 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


This is my guess:

When the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort," the foam donuts are probably being distorted and water is passing through where the foam is distorted.

When the "BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort," the foam aligns as it should and the unit is sealed.

I believe your problem with water entry is that the "raised limit" is not correct when the "B.T. climbs higher."

There could be different causes based on the year of manufacture of your Amel bow thruster. If I had your problem on Super Maramu #387, the most likely defective parts would be the upper limit switch or the relay it is connect to inside of the control box...and it could be either the switch or the relay, or both. 

I am convinced this is what is happening when  the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort:"
  1. The bow thruster goes up and reaches the "raised limit" where it should stop
  2. The "raised limit" switch engages when it should...BUT..
  3. The actuator motor which raises and lowers continues raising the bow thruster until it reaches a physical limitation
  4. The actuator motor strains against the physical limitation and amperage increases in the circuit as the bow thruster can no longer move and heat travels through the circuit.
  5. When the amperage and heat increases enough through the relay, the relay finally makes correct contact or opens, stopping the actuator motor.
  6. But the bow thruster has distorted the lower foam seals and water will enter.
If this is not corrected soon, either some things will burn up including the actuator motor, relay and switch, or a fuse inside the control box will burn...but earlier model bow thrusters did not have this fuse and some bow thrusters have too large of a fuse.

Hopefully with my explanation, you, or a technician can find your problem.

In the meantime and until it is repaired, I advise you to manually turn off the bow thruster when you are raising it before it reaches the physical limit. One person at the bow thruster and one at the bow thruster power switch will work...then use the pin. You may have to pull on one of the cables to align the pin correctly.

Bill
BeBe 387

Questa è la mia ipotesi:

Quando l'elica di prua (B.T.) "sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo", le ciambelle schiuma sono probabilmente essere distorti e l'acqua sta attraversando in cui la schiuma è distorta.

Quando "B.T. sale meno, il perno entra con uno sforzo maggiore," la schiuma allinea come dovrebbe e l'unità è sigillata.

Credo che il tuo problema con l'ingresso di acqua è che il "limite sollevato" non è corretto quando il "B.T. sale più in alto."

Ci potrebbero essere diverse cause sulla base dell'anno di costruzione della vostra Amel BT. Se ho avuto il problema su Super Maramu # 387, le parti più probabili difettoso sarebbe l'interruttore di limite superiore o il relè si collegano verso l'interno della scatola di controllo ... e potrebbe essere sia l'interruttore o relè, o entrambi.

Sono convinto che questo è ciò che sta accadendo quando il "B.T. sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo:"
1.) Il B.T. sale e raggiunge il "limite sollevato" dove dovrebbe fermarsi
2.) L'interruttore di "limite sollevato" impegna quando dovrebbe ... MA ..
3.) Il motore attuatore che alza e abbassa continua alzando il B.T. fino a raggiungere una limitazione fisica
4.) Il motore attuatore ceppi contro la limitazione e l'amperaggio fisiche aumenti il ​​circuito con B.T. non può più muoversi e calore viaggia attraverso il circuito.
5.) Quando l'amperaggio e calore aumenta abbastanza attraverso il relè, il relè, infine, rende corretto contatto o si apre, arrestare il motore attuatore.
6.) Ma la B.T. ha distorto i sigilli schiuma bassi e l'acqua entrerà.
Se questo non è corretto presto, sia alcune cose brucerà tra cui il motore attuatore, relè e uno switch o un fusibile all'interno della scatola di controllo brucerà ... ma modello precedente B.T. non ha avuto questo fusibile e alcuni propulsori di prua hanno troppo grande di un fusibile.

Speriamo che con la mia spiegazione, voi, o un tecnico in grado di trovare il vostro problema.

Nel frattempo e fino a quando non viene riparato, vi consiglio di spegnere manualmente il B.T. quando si stanno alzando prima che raggiunga il limite fisico. Una persona alla B.T. e uno al B.T. interruttore di alimentazione funziona ... quindi utilizzare il pin. Potrebbe essere necessario tirare uno dei cavi per allineare correttamente il perno.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:00 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The bow of my boat is very high on the water level and the water enters in the boat only with waves.
I've done the maintenance and replaced 3 foam rings the springtime this year : two foam rings below and one above. Slightly cutting rings below on a side (starboard). The foams are the new ones 29x42x8.
The problem is :
sometimes the B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort, but , in case of waves, the water filters in the boat.
other times the BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort and the water does not enter.

How about  putting a third foam ring under??
To relace the rings in natural foam with those in neoprene coul be a solution?
Thanks to all. Regards.
 EnioRossi
#SN122 Earendil
Italy





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

The short answer is that if your existing 50 AMP connector is wired with two hot wires to your 220 V system, then the connector you posted will not work.

Amel rigged my boat with two separate shore power cords.  One connected (with a 220V connector) went to the 220 volt system, and one set up to bring 120 volts into the transformer, and from there into the 220 volt side of the boat.

Bill Kinney



On Oct 17, 2016, at 11:36, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Bill, 

Thanks for your time, but this was not my question.  
I probably did not explain myself properly…  

I know about the 4 wires, etc. on my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt. It bring power directly to my 220 volt Breaker box.  

I also know about the 3 wires of the 110 Volt 30 Amp shore power cord going to my original Step up transformer.  
Since the transformer has never been used, I was wondering if I could use the device on the link I used. Actually from other source the answer is NO.  

Now I was looking at the following
http://www.marinco.com/en/153ay
wondering if there is a problem with phase or anything else.  

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/17/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, October 17, 2016, 9:59 AM


 









Alexandre,
My boat also has the transformer.
and having just redone the power cord, I know in detail how
MY boat was wired for the 125 volt inlet cord.  This
assumes that your existing cord with the 50 Amp connector is
wired to bring 125 volts to the transformer.  This is the
way my boat is wired. 
It is possible that the 50
A-125/250 volt cord was wired to bring 250 volts directly
into the Amel electrical system.  If THAT is true, then the
following is NOT true….

That is the correct adapter to
make the connection.
USA marinas offer a very
confusing number of electrical options. Compounded by the
fact that we talk about 110 volts, 115 volts, 120 volts and
125 volts all for the same thing!
The 50 Amp 125/250 volt plug in
the USA is a 4 wire plug.  It has a ground, connected to a
metal rim, a neutral, and two hots connected to the three
pins.  The two hot wires are 180 degrees out of phase, so
between the two of them is 250 volts, and from each of those
to the neutral wire is 125 volts.
On my boat, there was a 50 A
125/250 V plug on the end of the cord.  ONE of the hot wire
pins was connected, along with the neutral and ground to
bring 125 volt service on three wires in the boat to the
transformer. The other hot wire was not connected.
30 A/125 V service is a 3 wire
service.  One hot, one neutral, and one ground.  The
adapter will connect the hot wire from the supply to BOTH
hot wires in the 50 AMP plug.  Connected like this, each
hot wire is 125volts to the neutral, and 0 volts to each
other. The functional result on the boat is the same as
plugging into a 50A-125/250V plug connected with three
wires.
I hope that helps!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieAnnapolis, MD“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:10,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Good morning, 

The next marina I am going to is
likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt. 
Since I have never
used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works,
so trying to cover options.  

I need 220 volt.  
I am very ignorant
when it comes to electricity…  

Would the following product be
ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a
problem with the phases or something else… 

I am not concerned with the Amp,
but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!  
Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT
Club
Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

Thanks for your time, but this was not my question.
I probably did not explain myself properly…

I know about the 4 wires, etc. on my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt. It bring power directly to my 220 volt Breaker box.

I also know about the 3 wires of the 110 Volt 30 Amp shore power cord going to my original Step up transformer.
Since the transformer has never been used, I was wondering if I could use the device on the link I used. Actually from other source the answer is NO.

Now I was looking at the following
http://www.marinco.com/en/153ay
wondering if there is a problem with phase or anything else.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/17/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 17, 2016, 9:59 AM


 









Alexandre,
My boat also has the transformer.
and having just redone the power cord, I know in detail how
MY boat was wired for the 125 volt inlet cord.  This
assumes that your existing cord with the 50 Amp connector is
wired to bring 125 volts to the transformer.  This is the
way my boat is wired. 
It is possible that the 50
A-125/250 volt cord was wired to bring 250 volts directly
into the Amel electrical system.  If THAT is true, then the
following is NOT true….

That is the correct adapter to
make the connection.
USA marinas offer a very
confusing number of electrical options. Compounded by the
fact that we talk about 110 volts, 115 volts, 120 volts and
125 volts all for the same thing!
The 50 Amp 125/250 volt plug in
the USA is a 4 wire plug.  It has a ground, connected to a
metal rim, a neutral, and two hots connected to the three
pins.  The two hot wires are 180 degrees out of phase, so
between the two of them is 250 volts, and from each of those
to the neutral wire is 125 volts.
On my boat, there was a 50 A
125/250 V plug on the end of the cord.  ONE of the hot wire
pins was connected, along with the neutral and ground to
bring 125 volt service on three wires in the boat to the
transformer. The other hot wire was not connected.
30 A/125 V service is a 3 wire
service.  One hot, one neutral, and one ground.  The
adapter will connect the hot wire from the supply to BOTH
hot wires in the 50 AMP plug.  Connected like this, each
hot wire is 125volts to the neutral, and 0 volts to each
other. The functional result on the boat is the same as
plugging into a 50A-125/250V plug connected with three
wires.
I hope that helps!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieAnnapolis, MD“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:10,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Good morning, 

The next marina I am going to is
likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt. 
Since I have never
used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works,
so trying to cover options.  

I need 220 volt.  
I am very ignorant
when it comes to electricity…  

Would the following product be
ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a
problem with the phases or something else… 

I am not concerned with the Amp,
but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!  
Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT
Club
Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex, No, that will not help.

Without knowing what transformer you have and how it was wired...and if that wiring has changed, none of us can give you much input.

I suggest that before you arrive at a marina that only has 110VAC available, that you consult with an electrician and have him inspect what you have.

BTW, I was never in a marina that had only 110VAC 60htz available...they all had 110VAC and 220VAC 60 htz.

You have my wiring graphic for wiring to 220VAC 60htz without an onboard transformer. If not it is in this album: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=shore%20power#zax/albums_1949812811

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Good morning,

The next marina I am going to is likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt.
Since I have never used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works, so trying to cover options.

I need 220 volt.
I am very ignorant when it comes to electricity…

Would the following product be ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a problem with the phases or something else…

I am not concerned with the Amp, but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

My boat also has the transformer. and having just redone the power cord, I know in detail how MY boat was wired for the 125 volt inlet cord.  This assumes that your existing cord with the 50 Amp connector is wired to bring 125 volts to the transformer.  This is the way my boat is wired. 

It is possible that the 50 A-125/250 volt cord was wired to bring 250 volts directly into the Amel electrical system.  If THAT is true, then the following is NOT true….


That is the correct adapter to make the connection.

USA marinas offer a very confusing number of electrical options. Compounded by the fact that we talk about 110 volts, 115 volts, 120 volts and 125 volts all for the same thing!

The 50 Amp 125/250 volt plug in the USA is a 4 wire plug.  It has a ground, connected to a metal rim, a neutral, and two hots connected to the three pins.  The two hot wires are 180 degrees out of phase, so between the two of them is 250 volts, and from each of those to the neutral wire is 125 volts.

On my boat, there was a 50 A 125/250 V plug on the end of the cord.  ONE of the hot wire pins was connected, along with the neutral and ground to bring 125 volt service on three wires in the boat to the transformer. The other hot wire was not connected.

30 A/125 V service is a 3 wire service.  One hot, one neutral, and one ground.  The adapter will connect the hot wire from the supply to BOTH hot wires in the 50 AMP plug.  Connected like this, each hot wire is 125volts to the neutral, and 0 volts to each other. The functional result on the boat is the same as plugging into a 50A-125/250V plug connected with three wires.

I hope that helps!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:10, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good morning, 

The next marina I am going to is likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt. 
Since I have never used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works, so trying to cover options.  

I need 220 volt.  
I am very ignorant when it comes to electricity…  

Would the following product be ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a problem with the phases or something else… 

I am not concerned with the Amp, but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!  
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations Trevor, where are you located?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Mon, 10/17/16, Ric Gottschalk ric@kitchenmagic.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin
To: "'amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com'" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 17, 2016, 9:05 AM


 













Trevor,
I have a 1990
Santorin SN24. I don’t know what I have is that great of a
manual, but it is something.  Contact me off the Amel
owners site and I will try to
help. Also please post the boats name, number, and location
on emails. I think that you find the Santorins systems
intuitive and like all Amels amazingly well thought out.

 
Ric
(ric@kitchenmagic.net)
Bali Hai
SN24
Annapolis

 


From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]


Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:09 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990
Santorin


 
 



Hello All,



I have finally taken possession of a 1990 Santorin, formerly
named AKWAABA.  The previous family bought her new in
1990.  Conducting a true turnover of the boat was not
possible, due to various events.  Which as you could
imagine is not ideal; I could have
learned an enormous amount of valuable information in the
process.  They have left behind plenty of folders and files
to rummage through.  I have not come across the factory /
original manual that would state what equipment is
installed, location, etc.  I
do understand that some items vary boat to boat.  However,
If any one has a Santorin manual they don't mind sharing
I would greatly appreciate it.  I do intend on tracing
every thing out, sorting out the major items, then slowly
updating or modifying as required. 
And mapping out plumbing, wiring, etc. (using some of
Bebe's meticulous charts as a guideline - thank you).




I have searched the group site for all things SANTORIN and
downloaded such.



Take Care,

Trevor
 

















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[Amel Yacht Owners] 30 Amp 125 volt shore power to 50 Amp 125/250 Volt plug?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

The next marina I am going to is likely to only have 30 Amp 125 Volt.
Since I have never used my big transformer on the boat, I am not sure it works, so trying to cover options.

I need 220 volt.
I am very ignorant when it comes to electricity…

Would the following product be ok?
http://www.go2marine.com/product/389365F/pigtail-shore-power-adapter-30a-125v-male-to-50a-125-250v-female.html
Or is there a problem with the phases or something else…

I am not concerned with the Amp, but the voltage…

Thanks in advance!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass bolt to deck

Mike Ondra
 

So I can agree that the cleanest final solution is likely to drill out the bolt and then drill through the fiberglass so that a bolt can be completely through with washer/nut on the end in the bow locker. Cobalt bit is a bit help in that. Keeping the bit inside the bolt being drilled sounds tricky and if it wanders out I may be in trouble with a partially done job. Maybe do a smaller “pilot” hole, maybe 1/8” through the center than move up to larger bits.

 

Since I still have about 1” of the sheared off bolt above the deck, I will soak it with penetrating oil for a while and then apply a pipe wrench to see if I can turn it out. Worst case it breaks at the deck line and on to the drill method. I think even if I miraculously get the bolt out, I would still drill through to allow a nut on the bottom of this bolt. Any ideas as to why this 1 of 4 bolts was done differently by Amel?

 

Mike

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:34 PM
To: Amel Owners
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass bolt to deck

 

 

Hi mike. I drilled mine out and put a bolt through. I now have a nut top and bottom
I  lost a lot of sweat and blunted several drills in the process. If you can get a cobalt drill they cut stainless much better than the standard. I didn't have one, as always I was fixing a boat in an exotic location.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Oct 17, 2016 4:33 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

As others may have experienced with removing the windlass from the deck, 3 of the 4 bolts were easily removed. The aft starboard bolt is threaded into the deck (no visible nut and probably into a glassed in steel plate). In fact in the bow locker there is rust stain coming through the fiberglass deck and also all along the hawse pipe.

 

In attempting removal the bolt head sheared off leaving a stud about 1” above the deck as pictured above (assuming picture goes with email. I am afraid that continuing to attempt to remove the remaining bole will simply result in shearing off at the deck line. My question is what have others done in this situation?

 

I can envision finding a coupling that could be used but would require an enlargement of the bolt hole in the windlass base thereby weakening it. The stud could be cut off and the windlass moved slightly with new holes for all bolts.

 

Thoughts?

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Trevor,

I have a 1990 Santorin SN24. I don’t know what I have is that great of a manual, but it is something.  Contact me off the Amel owners site and I will try to help. Also please post the boats name, number, and location on emails. I think that you find the Santorins systems intuitive and like all Amels amazingly well thought out.

 

Ric (ric@...)

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Owner - 1990 Santorin

 

 

Hello All,

I have finally taken possession of a 1990 Santorin, formerly named AKWAABA.  The previous family bought her new in 1990.  Conducting a true turnover of the boat was not possible, due to various events.  Which as you could imagine is not ideal; I could have learned an enormous amount of valuable information in the process.  They have left behind plenty of folders and files to rummage through.  I have not come across the factory / original manual that would state what equipment is installed, location, etc.  I do understand that some items vary boat to boat.  However, If any one has a Santorin manual they don't mind sharing I would greatly appreciate it.  I do intend on tracing every thing out, sorting out the major items, then slowly updating or modifying as required.  And mapping out plumbing, wiring, etc. (using some of Bebe's meticulous charts as a guideline - thank you).

I have searched the group site for all things SANTORIN and downloaded such.

Take Care,
Trevor

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sea wather from bow-thruster

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

This is my guess:

When the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort," the foam donuts are probably being distorted and water is passing through where the foam is distorted.

When the "BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort," the foam aligns as it should and the unit is sealed.

I believe your problem with water entry is that the "raised limit" is not correct when the "B.T. climbs higher."

There could be different causes based on the year of manufacture of your Amel bow thruster. If I had your problem on Super Maramu #387, the most likely defective parts would be the upper limit switch or the relay it is connect to inside of the control box...and it could be either the switch or the relay, or both. 

I am convinced this is what is happening when  the "B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort:"
  1. The bow thruster goes up and reaches the "raised limit" where it should stop
  2. The "raised limit" switch engages when it should...BUT..
  3. The actuator motor which raises and lowers continues raising the bow thruster until it reaches a physical limitation
  4. The actuator motor strains against the physical limitation and amperage increases in the circuit as the bow thruster can no longer move and heat travels through the circuit.
  5. When the amperage and heat increases enough through the relay, the relay finally makes correct contact or opens, stopping the actuator motor.
  6. But the bow thruster has distorted the lower foam seals and water will enter.
If this is not corrected soon, either some things will burn up including the actuator motor, relay and switch, or a fuse inside the control box will burn...but earlier model bow thrusters did not have this fuse and some bow thrusters have too large of a fuse.

Hopefully with my explanation, you, or a technician can find your problem.

In the meantime and until it is repaired, I advise you to manually turn off the bow thruster when you are raising it before it reaches the physical limit. One person at the bow thruster and one at the bow thruster power switch will work...then use the pin. You may have to pull on one of the cables to align the pin correctly.

Bill
BeBe 387

Questa è la mia ipotesi:

Quando l'elica di prua (B.T.) "sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo", le ciambelle schiuma sono probabilmente essere distorti e l'acqua sta attraversando in cui la schiuma è distorta.

Quando "B.T. sale meno, il perno entra con uno sforzo maggiore," la schiuma allinea come dovrebbe e l'unità è sigillata.

Credo che il tuo problema con l'ingresso di acqua è che il "limite sollevato" non è corretto quando il "B.T. sale più in alto."

Ci potrebbero essere diverse cause sulla base dell'anno di costruzione della vostra Amel BT. Se ho avuto il problema su Super Maramu # 387, le parti più probabili difettoso sarebbe l'interruttore di limite superiore o il relè si collegano verso l'interno della scatola di controllo ... e potrebbe essere sia l'interruttore o relè, o entrambi.

Sono convinto che questo è ciò che sta accadendo quando il "B.T. sale più in alto e il perno entra senza sforzo:"
1.) Il B.T. sale e raggiunge il "limite sollevato" dove dovrebbe fermarsi
2.) L'interruttore di "limite sollevato" impegna quando dovrebbe ... MA ..
3.) Il motore attuatore che alza e abbassa continua alzando il B.T. fino a raggiungere una limitazione fisica
4.) Il motore attuatore ceppi contro la limitazione e l'amperaggio fisiche aumenti il ​​circuito con B.T. non può più muoversi e calore viaggia attraverso il circuito.
5.) Quando l'amperaggio e calore aumenta abbastanza attraverso il relè, il relè, infine, rende corretto contatto o si apre, arrestare il motore attuatore.
6.) Ma la B.T. ha distorto i sigilli schiuma bassi e l'acqua entrerà.
Se questo non è corretto presto, sia alcune cose brucerà tra cui il motore attuatore, relè e uno switch o un fusibile all'interno della scatola di controllo brucerà ... ma modello precedente B.T. non ha avuto questo fusibile e alcuni propulsori di prua hanno troppo grande di un fusibile.

Speriamo che con la mia spiegazione, voi, o un tecnico in grado di trovare il vostro problema.

Nel frattempo e fino a quando non viene riparato, vi consiglio di spegnere manualmente il B.T. quando si stanno alzando prima che raggiunga il limite fisico. Una persona alla B.T. e uno al B.T. interruttore di alimentazione funziona ... quindi utilizzare il pin. Potrebbe essere necessario tirare uno dei cavi per allineare correttamente il perno.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:00 AM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The bow of my boat is very high on the water level and the water enters in the boat only with waves.
I've done the maintenance and replaced 3 foam rings the springtime this year : two foam rings below and one above. Slightly cutting rings below on a side (starboard). The foams are the new ones 29x42x8.
The problem is :
sometimes the B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort, but , in case of waves, the water filters in the boat.
other times the BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort and the water does not enter.

How about  putting a third foam ring under??
To relace the rings in natural foam with those in neoprene coul be a solution?
Thanks to all. Regards.
 EnioRossi
#SN122 Earendil
Italy



New Owner - 1990 Santorin

tfortner1975
 

Hello All,

I have finally taken possession of a 1990 Santorin, formerly named AKWAABA.  The previous family bought her new in 1990.  Conducting a true turnover of the boat was not possible, due to various events.  Which as you could imagine is not ideal; I could have learned an enormous amount of valuable information in the process.  They have left behind plenty of folders and files to rummage through.  I have not come across the factory / original manual that would state what equipment is installed, location, etc.  I do understand that some items vary boat to boat.  However, If any one has a Santorin manual they don't mind sharing I would greatly appreciate it.  I do intend on tracing every thing out, sorting out the major items, then slowly updating or modifying as required.  And mapping out plumbing, wiring, etc. (using some of Bebe's meticulous charts as a guideline - thank you).

I have searched the group site for all things SANTORIN and downloaded such.

Take Care,
Trevor



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sea wather from bow-thruster

rossienio@...
 

The bow of my boat is very high on the water level and the water enters in the boat only with waves.
I've done the maintenance and replaced 3 foam rings the springtime this year : two foam rings below and one above. Slightly cutting rings below on a side (starboard). The foams are the new ones 29x42x8.
The problem is :
sometimes the B.T. climbs higher and the pin enters without effort, but , in case of waves, the water filters in the boat.
other times the BT climbs less, the pin comes in with more effort and the water does not enter.

How about  putting a third foam ring under??
To relace the rings in natural foam with those in neoprene coul be a solution?
Thanks to all. Regards.
 EnioRossi
#SN122 Earendil
Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, The original pump does look superior to the Jabsco that the previous owner installed on my boat , especially how the two halves are bolted together as opposed to a clamp on the Jabsco , which may be a source of an air leak.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

 
This thread is an appropriate place to praise Amel and specifically Henri Amel for quality of the components selected for Amel Yachts. It seems to me that he picked each and every component based on the best available. When he felt that there were no satisfactory components available, he made them.

Of course when these original components reach the end-of-life, the current owner has a choice of rebuilding and/or replacing the original equipment with the exact or similar item...OR...replacing the component with something less.

The two freshwater pumps that I am familiar with that Amel has used in the last 25 years cost 600 and 1,000 euros respectively. The Jabsco "on demand" freshwater pump costs around 200 euro. It is your boat and it is your choice to downgrade from what Amel installed. When I am helping someone looking to buy an Amel, these are some of the first things that I look at to form an opinion of the boat.

BTW, BeBe has a Jabsco on demand freshwater pump. Its purpose is to install instead of the AMFA pump if that pump fails and needs rebuilding. I have never installed it. BeBe also has a Shurflo anchor-wash pump to install if the Amel-installed anchor-wash pump fails and needs rebuilding...I have never installed it, either.

Thanks, Henri.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Bill, I never knew what was the original pump. I suspected it was not the Jabsco.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

 
Pat,

I think all SN's, SM's 54's and 55's came with the Reya/AMFA Marina Pump to pump out the gray water sump. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=bilge%20pump#zax/albums_1890643196

This is the pump: http://www.reya.com/prod_-POMPE-MARINA-ZZ-24V-1800L-H_Pompes-a-membranes-REYA_000178219832156_206136.html

It is not cheap and the previous owner probably picked Jabsco over paying about 600++ Euros for the "Marina Pump." However, the  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump is far superior.

When most any lift pump stops working, it is because of an air leak that causes loss of prime and loss of vacuum while pumping. The most common missed item is a hardening of the hose which causes air leaking at the pump side and liquid leaking at the lift side...be sure to have double clamps and silicone grease in the junction. But, air leaks can also happen internally with the flapper valves, diaphragm and pump case.

I have two of these  Reya/AMFA Marina Pumps...one installed and one ready replacement. Possibly some other owner has a  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump that they will sell to you.

Of course, there is always Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe, 387



On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Good morning Pat,

My Super Maramu 2000 came with the AMFA Marina ZZ bilge pump.
http://nikimat.com/bilge_pump_electric_amfa_marina_zz.html

But if I were you, I would put what Francisco and Oddette put on Peregrinus, which is the “AMFA/TF pump version 2”.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sun, 10/16/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016, 8:44 AM


 









I have a Jabsco sump pump and have
found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced
everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge
every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I
have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly
loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for 
some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope
it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find
it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell
me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it
with something more reliable
?Thanks,Pat SM
#123






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass bolt to deck [1 Attachment]

Craig Briggs
 

Mike,
Danny's thru-bolt solution sounds good and the drilling, as he points out, will be the key to success. With the good amount of bolt you've got left above deck you may want to try removing it before you go to drilling it out, even though it may shear off. After a good soaking with penetrants (use some acid too, to attack the salts) you may be able to lock two nuts on top to screw it out. If or when that fails you could weld a short bolt of the same diameter to the broken end and use the new bolts hex head to turn. The welding heat may also help break the threads free. If still no joy,you're likely into drilling it out,. Here's a great link to using tread inserts after drilling out the bolt. https://racemagazine.com.au/cars/thread-repair-how-to-fix-broken-bolts-and-stripped-threads
Good luck with it,
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris. 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi mike. I drilled mine out and put a bolt through. I now have a nut top and bottom
I  lost a lot of sweat and blunted several drills in the process. If you can get a cobalt drill they cut stainless much better than the standard. I didn't have one, as always I was fixing a boat in an exotic location.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Oct 17, 2016 4:33 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

As others may have experienced with removing the windlass from the deck, 3 of the 4 bolts were easily removed. The aft starboard bolt is threaded into the deck (no visible nut and probably into a glassed in steel plate). In fact in the bow locker there is rust stain coming through the fiberglass deck and also all along the hawse pipe.

 

In attempting removal the bolt head sheared off leaving a stud about 1” above the deck as pictured above (assuming picture goes with email. I am afraid that continuing to attempt to remove the remaining bole will simply result in shearing off at the deck line. My question is what have others done in this situation?

 

I can envision finding a coupling that could be used but would require an enlargement of the bolt hole in the windlass base thereby weakening it. The stud could be cut off and the windlass moved slightly with new holes for all bolts.

 

Thoughts?

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 


Super Maramu Storage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The new owner of BeBe had some questions about storage. I prepared this some time ago, but thought it was appropriate to share with you. The cubic feet measurements are approximate. This is also at the bottom of this page: http://svbebe.blogspot.com/p/boat.html 


40
Doors Hinged with latches
average 12x18” and 18’ deep and lined with 100% Dralon® plush
26
Cubby Storage Compartments
average 19 x 10” and 15” deep and lined with 100% Dralon® plush
20
Drawers
2 are extra deep and 30” long and 3 more are 30” long and lined with 100% Dralon® plush
10 lineal feet
Closet - hanging
1 fwd, 1 aft, 1 nav station, and 1 passage berth
60 cubic feet
Closet - storage
1 fwd, 1 aft, 1 nav station, and 1 passage berth
75 lineal feet
Shelf - storage
averages 4 “ deep lined with vinyl or Dralon®
75 cubic feet
Under berth - storage
2 fwd and 1 aft lined with 100% Dralon® plush
60 cubic feet
Under floor - storage
1 fwd and 6 saloon
75 cubic feet
Lazarette - storage
cockpit
225 cubic feet
Lazarette - storage
aft
100 cubic feet
Sail locker - storage
2 forward at the bow
40 cubic feet
Beam – storage below deck to below waterline
1 locker usually used for emergency equip. & life raft...BeBe uses for fuel...life raft elsewhere

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks for the technical info. This Morse cable is 17 years old, with maybe 3500 hrs. Are their failure modes for the cable itself? Or maintenance (oiling)?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:47 PM
To: James Wendell ms42phantom54@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

 

 

Mike,

 

It is good news that the transmission shifts well by hand, delay in shifting can be caused by internal problems with the transmission.

 

The following assumes you have a HBW-250 transmission:

 

According to ZF specs travel of the end of the shifter arm should be equal going from neutral to forward and from neutral to reverse, and the movement should be between 30 mm and 35 mm from neutral to engaged. If more travel than this is needed, or the travel from N-F and N-R is unequal, you have an internal issue that needs to be addressed.

 

There is adjustment at both ends of the cable.  An adjustment at the shifter end controls how far the cable moves, and an adjustment at the transmission end controls the center point of the movement.  The objective is to have the shifter lever move by cable the same amount it moves when you shift it by hand without the cable attached.

 

On my Amel, the easier adjustment by far is the one on the transmission end.  The end of the cable is threaded, with a jamnut to hold the setting.  To make the adjustment you have to pull the pin that attaches to the transmission, and turn the barrel bolt on the cable end. If this verbal description makes no sense, I can email you a photo.

 

The only way to make the adjustment on the shifter in my boat would be to pull the shift out of the dash.  I haven’t done that so I can’t describe it in detail.

 

Look at all this AFTER you check to be sure the clamp holding the cable is tight as Bill R suggests.

 

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD

“Ships and men rot in port."

 

 

 

 

On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:47, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Mike,

 

There are two cables running from the single arm Morse Throttle/Shifter. Each are independently adjustable in the engine room, near their termination points.

 

It sounds to me as though the shifter cable is loose in the engine room. That is what I would check first. With the engine OFF have someone move the Morse Throttle/Shifter forward then backward while you inspect the cables in the engine room.

 

Best,

 

Bill 

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Historically we have found that when shifting to forward the transmission barely engages before the throttle advances the RPM. Yesterday the transmission did not engage without manually pushing the transmission shift lever. Is there a point of adjustment in the Morse cable system for this? Did not appear to be adjustment at the transmission.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD