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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

This thread is an appropriate place to praise Amel and specifically Henri Amel for quality of the components selected for Amel Yachts. It seems to me that he picked each and every component based on the best available. When he felt that there were no satisfactory components available, he made them.

Of course when these original components reach the end-of-life, the current owner has a choice of rebuilding and/or replacing the original equipment with the exact or similar item...OR...replacing the component with something less.

The two freshwater pumps that I am familiar with that Amel has used in the last 25 years cost 600 and 1,000 euros respectively. The Jabsco "on demand" freshwater pump costs around 200 euro. It is your boat and it is your choice to downgrade from what Amel installed. When I am helping someone looking to buy an Amel, these are some of the first things that I look at to form an opinion of the boat.

BTW, BeBe has a Jabsco on demand freshwater pump. Its purpose is to install instead of the AMFA pump if that pump fails and needs rebuilding. I have never installed it. BeBe also has a Shurflo anchor-wash pump to install if the Amel-installed anchor-wash pump fails and needs rebuilding...I have never installed it, either.

Thanks, Henri.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, I never knew what was the original pump. I suspected it was not the Jabsco.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

 
Pat,

I think all SN's, SM's 54's and 55's came with the Reya/AMFA Marina Pump to pump out the gray water sump. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=bilge%20pump#zax/albums_1890643196

This is the pump: http://www.reya.com/prod_-POMPE-MARINA-ZZ-24V-1800L-H_Pompes-a-membranes-REYA_000178219832156_206136.html

It is not cheap and the previous owner probably picked Jabsco over paying about 600++ Euros for the "Marina Pump." However, the  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump is far superior.

When most any lift pump stops working, it is because of an air leak that causes loss of prime and loss of vacuum while pumping. The most common missed item is a hardening of the hose which causes air leaking at the pump side and liquid leaking at the lift side...be sure to have double clamps and silicone grease in the junction. But, air leaks can also happen internally with the flapper valves, diaphragm and pump case.

I have two of these  Reya/AMFA Marina Pumps...one installed and one ready replacement. Possibly some other owner has a  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump that they will sell to you.

Of course, there is always Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe, 387



On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Good morning Pat,

My Super Maramu 2000 came with the AMFA Marina ZZ bilge pump.
http://nikimat.com/bilge_pump_electric_amfa_marina_zz.html

But if I were you, I would put what Francisco and Oddette put on Peregrinus, which is the “AMFA/TF pump version 2”.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10/16/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016, 8:44 AM


 









I have a Jabsco sump pump and have
found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced
everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge
every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I
have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly
loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for 
some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope
it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find
it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell
me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it
with something more reliable
?Thanks,Pat SM
#123






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I never knew what was the original pump. I suspected it was not the Jabsco.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

 
Pat,

I think all SN's, SM's 54's and 55's came with the Reya/AMFA Marina Pump to pump out the gray water sump. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=bilge%20pump#zax/albums_1890643196

This is the pump: http://www.reya.com/prod_-POMPE-MARINA-ZZ-24V-1800L-H_Pompes-a-membranes-REYA_000178219832156_206136.html

It is not cheap and the previous owner probably picked Jabsco over paying about 600++ Euros for the "Marina Pump." However, the  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump is far superior.

When most any lift pump stops working, it is because of an air leak that causes loss of prime and loss of vacuum while pumping. The most common missed item is a hardening of the hose which causes air leaking at the pump side and liquid leaking at the lift side...be sure to have double clamps and silicone grease in the junction. But, air leaks can also happen internally with the flapper valves, diaphragm and pump case.

I have two of these  Reya/AMFA Marina Pumps...one installed and one ready replacement. Possibly some other owner has a  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump that they will sell to you.

Of course, there is always Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe, 387



On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Good morning Pat,

My Super Maramu 2000 came with the AMFA Marina ZZ bilge pump.
http://nikimat.com/bilge_pump_electric_amfa_marina_zz.html

But if I were you, I would put what Francisco and Oddette put on Peregrinus, which is the “AMFA/TF pump version 2”.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10/16/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016, 8:44 AM


 









I have a Jabsco sump pump and have
found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced
everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge
every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I
have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly
loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for 
some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope
it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find
it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell
me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it
with something more reliable
?Thanks,Pat SM
#123





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, As far as  can determine the foot valve is not leaking, however over a long time it may . I have tried to seal and clamp the hoses as tight as possible. It has always been unreliable .
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: Amel Owners
Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 2:14 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

 
Hi pat. I battled the bilge pump forever. The key is the foot valve. If you can stop that leaking so the pipe stays full you should have no more trouble. Also ensure there are no leeks in the suction pipe.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On Oct 17, 2016 2:44 AM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I have a Jabsco sump pump and have found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for  some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it with something more reliable ?
Thanks,
Pat SM #123


Re: Bilge / Sump pump

Ian Park
 

When we bought our Santorin the surveyor found the pump not to be working properly. In our early ignorance we had the pump removed and replaced with a Jabsco. Since joining the forum we have taken the advice never to change anything Henri installed! The pump (Jabsco) didn't last very long.
An earlier post on this topic suggested the Whale Gulper 320. This works well. I have two as it takes less than two minutes to swap should I need to.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks guys. This came up at the end of the day and i only quickly took a look at the transmission end. The cable was well secured. I suspected, as Bill Kinney points out, that there would be adjustment at the end of the cable, but could not see threads, hence the question. Could be a simple adjusrment.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, MD

On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Mike


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump & Circuit - appropriate operating pressure?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

In addition to Bill R.’s excellent suggestions, other great pumps which might be easier to source in the USA are the Paragon pumps by Groco, which is the same style bronze lob pump as the Amel original.  The Paragon Jr seems a good match for the useage on a Super Maramu.  These have been around forever and are well proven.  

Another choice would be the UP series of gear pumps by the Italian maker Marco, which are more compact and sophisticated.

Any of these will give you way less trouble that the Jabsco in the long run.

One strategy that I have employed is to use the same pump for both water pressure service and anchor washdown.  One set of spares does for both, and if your fresh water pump dies in Outer Reefonia you can sacrifice the anchor washdown for fresh water access.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:30, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


David,

Since your original posting I have done some more research.

My guess is that TF Marine in Italy has taken to business that A.M.F.A. Pompe used to enjoy. http://www.xtlmarine.ae/tf-marine/

I noticed that Reya has a TF Marine pump that is very close to the original equipment on the Super Maramu: http://www.reya.com/prod_-GROUPE-EAU-HA60-24V-2-2BARS_Groupes-d-eau-a-pressostat-TF-MARINE_000178227792780_207127.html

The above is what I would buy if I were you, or if you want a step-up this is the pump that I would use: http://www.reya.com/prod_-GROUPE-EAU-HJX1-24V-2-4BARS-20L_Groupes-d-eau-a-pressostat-TF-MARINE_000178227792780_207129.html

I strongly suspect this is what Amel is using in their current production, while I am certain that Beneteau is using Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:37 AM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

The previous owner replaced the freshwater pump with a JABSCO Deck Wash pump running at 80psi.  

Studying literature and back-tracking through this group (thanks Bill, Alexandre, Kent, Alan, et al), I see that the standard install (AMFA Reya 66b fresh water pump ) is set with pressure between ~1 to 2 bar (15-30psi).

My question is: am I courting danger with an over-pressurized freshwater circuit?  I noted some leaks for the freshwater manifolding on the aft bulkhead of the engine room, and initially thought that this may be due to the seals and so on being dried out after 20 months on the hard, but now I'm not so sure.

Any thoughts or insights?

David
Moonshot, SM#396, NEB
Rhode Island











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Mike,

It is good news that the transmission shifts well by hand, delay in shifting can be caused by internal problems with the transmission.

The following assumes you have a HBW-250 transmission:

According to ZF specs travel of the end of the shifter arm should be equal going from neutral to forward and from neutral to reverse, and the movement should be between 30 mm and 35 mm from neutral to engaged. If more travel than this is needed, or the travel from N-F and N-R is unequal, you have an internal issue that needs to be addressed.

There is adjustment at both ends of the cable.  An adjustment at the shifter end controls how far the cable moves, and an adjustment at the transmission end controls the center point of the movement.  The objective is to have the shifter lever move by cable the same amount it moves when you shift it by hand without the cable attached.

On my Amel, the easier adjustment by far is the one on the transmission end.  The end of the cable is threaded, with a jamnut to hold the setting.  To make the adjustment you have to pull the pin that attaches to the transmission, and turn the barrel bolt on the cable end. If this verbal description makes no sense, I can email you a photo.

The only way to make the adjustment on the shifter in my boat would be to pull the shift out of the dash.  I haven’t done that so I can’t describe it in detail.

Look at all this AFTER you check to be sure the clamp holding the cable is tight as Bill R suggests.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:47, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Mike,

There are two cables running from the single arm Morse Throttle/Shifter. Each are independently adjustable in the engine room, near their termination points.

It sounds to me as though the shifter cable is loose in the engine room. That is what I would check first. With the engine OFF have someone move the Morse Throttle/Shifter forward then backward while you inspect the cables in the engine room.

Best,

Bill 
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Historically we have found that when shifting to forward the transmission barely engages before the throttle advances the RPM. Yesterday the transmission did not engage without manually pushing the transmission shift lever. Is there a point of adjustment in the Morse cable system for this? Did not appear to be adjustment at the transmission.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windlass bolt to deck [1 Attachment]

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi mike. I drilled mine out and put a bolt through. I now have a nut top and bottom
I  lost a lot of sweat and blunted several drills in the process. If you can get a cobalt drill they cut stainless much better than the standard. I didn't have one, as always I was fixing a boat in an exotic location.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 ocean pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Oct 17, 2016 4:33 AM, "'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

As others may have experienced with removing the windlass from the deck, 3 of the 4 bolts were easily removed. The aft starboard bolt is threaded into the deck (no visible nut and probably into a glassed in steel plate). In fact in the bow locker there is rust stain coming through the fiberglass deck and also all along the hawse pipe.

 

In attempting removal the bolt head sheared off leaving a stud about 1” above the deck as pictured above (assuming picture goes with email. I am afraid that continuing to attempt to remove the remaining bole will simply result in shearing off at the deck line. My question is what have others done in this situation?

 

I can envision finding a coupling that could be used but would require an enlargement of the bolt hole in the windlass base thereby weakening it. The stud could be cut off and the windlass moved slightly with new holes for all bolts.

 

Thoughts?

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shaft Generator

James Studdart
 

I don't know if it was a factory install but I've seen an Amel 55 with two watt and sea units installed, one on each side.

Cheers,
James
SM #344, SeaBean
Las Palmas, Canary Islands


On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

On my old boat I had a Sail-Gen.  It worked like a charm.  I needed it because I had to fold my rail-mouted solar panels in any serious weather, and the boat used a bit more power underway than at anchor when solar was all we needed.  We sailed from Hawaii to San Francisco with full batteries, all the time, all the way.


If I even thought I needed a water generator on my Amel, I would make the choice based which one was the easiest, least disruptive installation because I don’t know that one is “better” than the other.  I heard a rumor at the boat show that Amel offers the Watt and Sea as an option on the Amel 55, but didn’t confirm it with Amel.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 16, 2016, at 09:57, eljaroellinghoff@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

He 

I know the watt and see sytem , and wenn it is too dificult to find and install the original i think i take a watt and see 
It is easy to install , works withaut noices
And take no signifikant speed 
Thanks a lot 
Elja



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi pat. I battled the bilge pump forever. The key is the foot valve. If you can stop that leaking so the pipe stays full you should have no more trouble. Also ensure there are no leeks in the suction pipe.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 ocean pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Oct 17, 2016 2:44 AM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have a Jabsco sump pump and have found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for  some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it with something more reliable ?

Thanks,

Pat SM #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mike,

There are two cables running from the single arm Morse Throttle/Shifter. Each are independently adjustable in the engine room, near their termination points.

It sounds to me as though the shifter cable is loose in the engine room. That is what I would check first. With the engine OFF have someone move the Morse Throttle/Shifter forward then backward while you inspect the cables in the engine room.

Best,

Bill 
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Historically we have found that when shifting to forward the transmission barely engages before the throttle advances the RPM. Yesterday the transmission did not engage without manually pushing the transmission shift lever. Is there a point of adjustment in the Morse cable system for this? Did not appear to be adjustment at the transmission.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Windless rubber caps for control button

Mark Erdos
 

I purchased one of the push button switches from the eBay link below. Unfortunately, the threads on the switch are too short to fit the windlass. Otherwise the switch looks the same but is plastic verses the brass Amel original unit. If you just need the rubber cap, this is a good option. It is a perfect fit.

 

I purchased a couple of switches from Steve Leeds (thank you Joe)

 

The Vetus unit Eric posted also looks to be an exact replacement: http://www.vetus-shop.com/push-button-switch-excluding-relay-p-2308.html

 

I am saving the old units I have removed and will check Budget Marine when we get to the Caribbean later to see if their all brass or plastic units will work.

 

Thank you everyone for the feed back!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Windless rubber caps for control button

 

 

Mark and everyone else,

 

Check this out on eBay.

I think this is the same plastic momentary switch that is at Budget Marine. It is US $6.99 with free US shipping:

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Mark,

I believe that you can replace each of the push button momentarily ON switches with something similar if you cannot find the rubber covers. I have seen these in several marine chandlery shops.

I will be in Budget Marine In Trinidad tomorrow and will check the size of their item AAA/10206 and AAA/10208 which appears to be an exact replacement.

http://www.budgetmarine.com/Catalog/Electrical/Switches+þ+Relays/Switches/Push+Buttons+-+Momentary/Product.aspx#.V_ptLWVOloN

I'll let you know.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 

On Oct 9, 2016 10:51 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I was recently told by Maud that Amel no longer stocks the rubber covers for the Amel modified windless. They do have another option but are out of stock and I must purchase the entire kit including the electronics.

 

Does anyone have a source for these rubber covers (preferably in the USA). Click the link below for a picture:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w85b415wnpurmte/Picture%204.jpg?dl=0

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

 

 


SM Volvo transmission cable adjustment

Mike Ondra
 

Historically we have found that when shifting to forward the transmission barely engages before the throttle advances the RPM. Yesterday the transmission did not engage without manually pushing the transmission shift lever. Is there a point of adjustment in the Morse cable system for this? Did not appear to be adjustment at the transmission.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Windlass bolt to deck

Mike Ondra
 

As others may have experienced with removing the windlass from the deck, 3 of the 4 bolts were easily removed. The aft starboard bolt is threaded into the deck (no visible nut and probably into a glassed in steel plate). In fact in the bow locker there is rust stain coming through the fiberglass deck and also all along the hawse pipe.

 

In attempting removal the bolt head sheared off leaving a stud about 1” above the deck as pictured above (assuming picture goes with email. I am afraid that continuing to attempt to remove the remaining bole will simply result in shearing off at the deck line. My question is what have others done in this situation?

 

I can envision finding a coupling that could be used but would require an enlargement of the bolt hole in the windlass base thereby weakening it. The stud could be cut off and the windlass moved slightly with new holes for all bolts.

 

Thoughts?

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump & Circuit - appropriate operating pressure?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

David,

Since your original posting I have done some more research.

My guess is that TF Marine in Italy has taken to business that A.M.F.A. Pompe used to enjoy. http://www.xtlmarine.ae/tf-marine/

I noticed that Reya has a TF Marine pump that is very close to the original equipment on the Super Maramu: http://www.reya.com/prod_-GROUPE-EAU-HA60-24V-2-2BARS_Groupes-d-eau-a-pressostat-TF-MARINE_000178227792780_207127.html

The above is what I would buy if I were you, or if you want a step-up this is the pump that I would use: http://www.reya.com/prod_-GROUPE-EAU-HJX1-24V-2-4BARS-20L_Groupes-d-eau-a-pressostat-TF-MARINE_000178227792780_207129.html

I strongly suspect this is what Amel is using in their current production, while I am certain that Beneteau is using Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:37 AM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

The previous owner replaced the freshwater pump with a JABSCO Deck Wash pump running at 80psi. 

Studying literature and back-tracking through this group (thanks Bill, Alexandre, Kent, Alan, et al), I see that the standard install (AMFA Reya 66b fresh water pump ) is set with pressure between ~1 to 2 bar (15-30psi).

My question is: am I courting danger with an over-pressurized freshwater circuit?  I noted some leaks for the freshwater manifolding on the aft bulkhead of the engine room, and initially thought that this may be due to the seals and so on being dried out after 20 months on the hard, but now I'm not so sure.

Any thoughts or insights?

David
Moonshot, SM#396, NEB
Rhode Island








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I think all SN's, SM's 54's and 55's came with the Reya/AMFA Marina Pump to pump out the gray water sump. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=bilge%20pump#zax/albums_1890643196

This is the pump: http://www.reya.com/prod_-POMPE-MARINA-ZZ-24V-1800L-H_Pompes-a-membranes-REYA_000178219832156_206136.html

It is not cheap and the previous owner probably picked Jabsco over paying about 600++ Euros for the "Marina Pump." However, the  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump is far superior.

When most any lift pump stops working, it is because of an air leak that causes loss of prime and loss of vacuum while pumping. The most common missed item is a hardening of the hose which causes air leaking at the pump side and liquid leaking at the lift side...be sure to have double clamps and silicone grease in the junction. But, air leaks can also happen internally with the flapper valves, diaphragm and pump case.

I have two of these  Reya/AMFA Marina Pumps...one installed and one ready replacement. Possibly some other owner has a  Reya/AMFA Marina Pump that they will sell to you.

Of course, there is always Jabsco.

Bill
BeBe, 387



On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Pat,

My Super Maramu 2000 came with the AMFA Marina ZZ bilge pump.
http://nikimat.com/bilge_pump_electric_amfa_marina_zz.html

But if I were you, I would put what Francisco and Oddette put on Peregrinus, which is the “AMFA/TF pump version 2”.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10/16/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016, 8:44 AM


 









I have a Jabsco sump pump and have
found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced
everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge
every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I
have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly
loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for 
some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope
it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find
it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell
me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it
with something more reliable
?Thanks,Pat SM
#123





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shaft Generator

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

On my old boat I had a Sail-Gen.  It worked like a charm.  I needed it because I had to fold my rail-mouted solar panels in any serious weather, and the boat used a bit more power underway than at anchor when solar was all we needed.  We sailed from Hawaii to San Francisco with full batteries, all the time, all the way.

If I even thought I needed a water generator on my Amel, I would make the choice based which one was the easiest, least disruptive installation because I don’t know that one is “better” than the other.  I heard a rumor at the boat show that Amel offers the Watt and Sea as an option on the Amel 55, but didn’t confirm it with Amel.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 16, 2016, at 09:57, eljaroellinghoff@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

He 

I know the watt and see sytem , and wenn it is too dificult to find and install the original i think i take a watt and see 
It is easy to install , works withaut noices
And take no signifikant speed 
Thanks a lot 
Elja



Re: Shaft Generator

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

He 
I know the watt and see sytem , and wenn it is too dificult to find and install the original i think i take a watt and see 
It is easy to install , works withaut noices
And take no signifikant speed 
Thanks a lot 
Elja


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat,

My Super Maramu 2000 came with the AMFA Marina ZZ bilge pump.
http://nikimat.com/bilge_pump_electric_amfa_marina_zz.html

But if I were you, I would put what Francisco and Oddette put on Peregrinus, which is the “AMFA/TF pump version 2”.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Sun, 10/16/16, sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge / Sump pump
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016, 8:44 AM


 









I have a Jabsco sump pump and have
found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced
everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge
every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I
have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly
loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for 
some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope
it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find
it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell
me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it
with something more reliable
?Thanks,Pat SM
#123


Bilge / Sump pump

Patrick McAneny
 

I have a Jabsco sump pump and have found it unreliable . The motor works fine , I have replaced everything and it still fails to pump water from the bilge every time. I have replaced the joker and flap valves and I have a check valve , but I think over time the pump slowly loses its prime and becomes air bound , when not used for  some time. I have thought about buying a new one and hope it works better . I have looked everywhere and cannot find it . I assume all SMs have the same pump , can someone tell me where I can purchase a new one. Has anyone replaced it with something more reliable ?

Thanks,

Pat SM #123