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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Tom,

I am actually writing down each of the device Amp consumption…
I will post in a little bit.

I think we certainly all have been on the edge without knowing it…
I have used 3 A/C and a better charger (batteries were almost full)
Now that we are educated and that our wire are getting older we will be more careful.

Alexandre




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On Sun, 8/28/16, peacock@nhms.biz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 2:21 PM


 









Well, I'm going to beat this dead horse some
more.
Yes, Olivier's
excellent summary from August 18 should be required reading
by all. However, my biggest question is, besides
installing a multimeter as Nikimat has, how else can we
protect against a fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V,
goes quickly. Pulling into port on a hot day, turning on
three AC units, with a charger trying to bring back a
battery bank that's half dead, may, I suspect, add up to
more than 16 amps. I'm not even talking about the
microwave, dive compressor, and other items. Have I been
living life dangerously? 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

peacock@...
 

Well, I'm going to beat this dead horse some more.

Yes, Olivier's excellent summary from August 18 should be required reading by all. 
However, my biggest question is, besides installing a multimeter as Nikimat has, how else can we protect against a fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V, goes quickly. Pulling into port on a hot day, turning on three AC units, with a charger trying to bring back a battery bank that's half dead, may, I suspect, add up to more than 16 amps. I'm not even talking about the microwave, dive compressor, and other items. Have I been living life dangerously? 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter and display

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Our Chain counter also stopped working I made contact with Pochon who do not make these anymore but can repair them - email is accueilsavlr 'at ' pochon.com

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472


On 27 Aug 2016, at 17:42, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If your chain counter has a Raymarine body, I believe it was made by Pouchon in La Rochelle.
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:46 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter and display
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hello Stephanie,
>
> Is your counter damaged? Ours was fine, so when we replaced
> all the electronics in 2013, we kept the counter.
>
>
> All we did is relocate the counter to the starboard side, to
> the right of the Amel speaker. Works nicely, it illuminates at
> night, and we use it almost every day.
>
>
> On new Amels, they now install a counter from the maker of the
> anchor gypsy, I believe.
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peregrinus
> SM2K n. 350
> Sardinia
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Mike Ondra
 

As usual Alexandre of Nikimat has a very thorough and pictured explanation. I do not know if the black 240V shore power cord we have is original, nor do I have its numbers, but I had checked the actual numbers and ran the calcs a few years ago and am pretty sure at 240v it would handle the 30 amps. Probably time to repeat that exercise to verify given the 16 amps noted by Olivier.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

 

 

Hello Bill,

I totally agree with you and find it difficult myself to find answer on the forum…

Not sure by what you mean with the “central vacuum system” but this is irrelevant anyway.
Yes you are correct, since the microwave, dishwasher, washing machine, scuba compressor and 220 Volt water maker are 50 Herzt you must use your genset (except if you were in countries that provide 50 heart).

Questions to understand your question better:
Your 30 Amp volt is obviously connected to a 30 Amp 125 Volt plug similar to the last picture on this link:
http://nikimat.com/shore_power_plug_125_volt.html
Correct?

If correct it means you are using the optional 110 volt to 220 volt transformer in the boat
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg
except you are plugged into the top plug
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg
Correct?

So it means you have 2 shore power cables.
A thicker one that you are using now and a thinner one which is terminated with a 16 AMP European plug like this one:
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_1.jpg
Correct?

If correct on all of that, you can use your 50 Amp shore power cord BUT:

As Olivier beautifully explained us on August 18, 2016:
“the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more.”.

I have by accident run 3 air conditioning, etc. and very likely pulled more than 16 Amp.
I suspect it hold because they are made to age and x years later still able to support that rated 16 Amp.
But, personally, since I now know the limitation I will not do it again and use my Blue Sea AC Multimeter to make sure i do not exceed the 16 Amp.
http://nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Olivier added:
“Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.”

Continuing with your question, and considering I was correct on the previous question regarding your set-up
You can use a 50 Amp shore power connection connected to the “thinner” 220 Volt boat shore power (with the blue 16 Amp European power)
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_2.jpg

The connection of the wires is as following:

The 220 Volt has 3 wires:  Brown, Blue and Yellow/Green
Which are connected to my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt the following way:
US Black (110 Volt) goes to Brown
US Red or Black (110 Volt) goes to Blue
US Green (Ground)  goes to Yellow/green
US White is not connected. 

With the extension I use it is like this:

Marina (US)                Extension Cord        Vessel
Black 110 Volt               Black                Brown
Red or Black 110 Volt    White                Blue
Ground Green               Green                yellow/green
White                nowhere

But remember to not exceed the 16 Amp.

If I am wrong, I hope to be corrected by others.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sun, 8/28/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 11:12 AM


 









Hello everyone
-
I
know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead
horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for
answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp
cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues
running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase).
The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker
and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So
I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have
never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this
in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the
breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box
in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost
seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install
this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my
shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total
Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to
post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow
it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not
help me at all with this basic question and for that I
apologize again. 
Cheers,
Bill
Maffei SM
#195It's all Good




Change of email address for Linda and Jim DeSalvo

ldesalvo207 Desalvo
 

Just wanted to let you know that my bigplanet email is going away.  
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Bill.

 

I must admit to not being a 100% sure that I have this right, but so far, this is my understanding of our shore power system as used here in the US. I look forward to others’ comments that may enhance/clarify my understanding.

 

Aletes, SM#240, is configured to allow either 110V and 240V shore power here in the US. The plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead has 2 receptacles, one labeled 220 (or 240 as I am working the labeling from memory) and the other I believe 110/220 (also suspect labeling). We plug the male plug into the appropriate receptacle for the shore power cord we are using.

 

The 110 comes aboard via a 30amp US configured power cord, through the 32amp 110v breaker in the plug box to a 110 to 220v step-up transformer back to the 110/220 receptacle in the plug box. The 240 volt power cord is actually a smaller wire, in our case probably the original European black wire and comes aboard and then directly to the 220v receptacle.

 

The 220 v boat system is 30 amps max load (breaker on the back/side of the 220v switch panel). However the 220v shoe power cord which is sized for 30 amp has a 50 amp plug on the end at the dock electrical pedestal so that it can access both hot legs of the US 240v system. I suppose this is not the safest since the shore power cord is the weak link between the 30 amp panel breaker and the 50 amp pedestal breaker.

 

End of the day, I believe 30 amp 110V gives you only ½ the total POWER (watts) that 30 amp at 240v yields. Therefore I don’t believe one could run all the equipment on the 220 volt panel at the same time when plugged into 110V, but I haven’t tested that. Also I believe our ONAN generator puts out 30 amp at 220v as a reference.

 

Again, all this is from memory as I am not on the boat, and therefore suspect, but it might get things going for you. It’s a quite Sunday afternoon on land and it’s always nice to be thinking about boaty stuff.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

 

 

Hello everyone -

 

I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not help me at all with this basic question and for that I apologize again. 

 

Cheers,

 

Bill Maffei 

SM #195

It's all Good


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

I totally agree with you and find it difficult myself to find answer on the forum…

Not sure by what you mean with the “central vacuum system” but this is irrelevant anyway.
Yes you are correct, since the microwave, dishwasher, washing machine, scuba compressor and 220 Volt water maker are 50 Herzt you must use your genset (except if you were in countries that provide 50 heart).

Questions to understand your question better:
Your 30 Amp volt is obviously connected to a 30 Amp 125 Volt plug similar to the last picture on this link:
http://nikimat.com/shore_power_plug_125_volt.html
Correct?

If correct it means you are using the optional 110 volt to 220 volt transformer in the boat
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg
except you are plugged into the top plug
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg
Correct?

So it means you have 2 shore power cables.
A thicker one that you are using now and a thinner one which is terminated with a 16 AMP European plug like this one:
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_1.jpg
Correct?

If correct on all of that, you can use your 50 Amp shore power cord BUT:

As Olivier beautifully explained us on August 18, 2016:
“the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more.”.

I have by accident run 3 air conditioning, etc. and very likely pulled more than 16 Amp.
I suspect it hold because they are made to age and x years later still able to support that rated 16 Amp.
But, personally, since I now know the limitation I will not do it again and use my Blue Sea AC Multimeter to make sure i do not exceed the 16 Amp.
http://nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Olivier added:
“Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.”

Continuing with your question, and considering I was correct on the previous question regarding your set-up
You can use a 50 Amp shore power connection connected to the “thinner” 220 Volt boat shore power (with the blue 16 Amp European power)
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_2.jpg

The connection of the wires is as following:

The 220 Volt has 3 wires:  Brown, Blue and Yellow/Green
Which are connected to my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt the following way:
US Black (110 Volt) goes to Brown
US Red or Black (110 Volt) goes to Blue
US Green (Ground)  goes to Yellow/green
US White is not connected. 

With the extension I use it is like this:

Marina (US)                Extension Cord        Vessel
Black 110 Volt               Black                Brown
Red or Black 110 Volt    White                Blue
Ground Green               Green                yellow/green
White                nowhere

But remember to not exceed the 16 Amp.

If I am wrong, I hope to be corrected by others.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 8/28/16, william_maffei@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 11:12 AM


 









Hello everyone
-
I
know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead
horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for
answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp
cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues
running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase).
The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker
and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So
I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have
never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this
in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the
breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box
in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost
seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install
this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my
shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total
Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to
post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow
it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not
help me at all with this basic question and for that I
apologize again. 
Cheers,
Bill
Maffei SM
#195It's all Good


US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

william_maffei@...
 

Hello everyone -


I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not help me at all with this basic question and for that I apologize again. 


Cheers,


Bill Maffei 

SM #195

It's all Good


Re: Chain counter and display

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Our chain counter was not working when we bought Indecent in 2013. The display carries an Amel logo, so we are not sure who the manfacturer is. We took the display off of the have station and in the back there is a hand engraved serial no. 141201-07A. Lofrans, our windless manufacturer, has an Iris chain counter model that looks similar to what we have. The Raymarine chain counter kit that the yacht repair company brought in looks like it is for vertical application at the windlass. I just sent a question to Amel LaRochelle to see what they recommend.

Many thanks,
Stephanie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmission

amelforme
 

HI CONN, I HAD YET TO SEE YOUR TRAMSMISSION DATE PLATE PHOTO YOU POSTED. OF COURSE IT IS A HURTH, MODEL: HBW 450 2R. IN MY OPINION IT IS A MORE ROBUST AND LONG LIVED TRANSMISSION COMPARED TO THE VELVET DRIVE UNITS I HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH IN THE SAME APPLICATION. A WEB SERCH WITH THIS MODEL NUMBER SHOULD GET YOU ANY FURTHER INFORMATION YOU COULD DESIRE. I NEVER WAS ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHY AMEL SWITHCHED BACK AND FORTH WITH TRANSMISSIONS IN THE SAME MODEL YEAR. I SEEM TO RECALL IT WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH AVAILABILITY. IF YOU CHANGE THE ATF REGULARLY, IT WILL LIVE ALMOST FOREVER.

All the Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmission

 

 

I have a 1982 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine. The transmission doesn't seem to have any id plates.

Does anyone know what model it might be. I just want to know for for recording purposes.

Thanks 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmission

amelforme
 

It is probably but not certainly a Borg Warner Velvet Drive. You can web search those four words and you will find websites that will help you identify your specific model. If you send me a picture of the transmission I can get a better idea of who manufactured it as Amel would sometimes change transmission suppliers mid model year on the Mango.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485
Jfpottercys at ATT dot net

On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:12 PM, connwilliamson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have a 1982 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine. The transmission doesn't seem to have any id plates.

Does anyone know what model it might be. I just want to know for for recording purposes.

Thanks 


New Engine Installation

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Hello everyone. About a year ago I experienced a loss of my original Volvo Penta engine, and posted a lot of messages hoping to solve the engine "no start" problem. After much testing and head scratching we finally discovered that saltwater had migrated up into the exhaust manifold and the head, destroying the integrity of the engine and preventing me from starting it. No one has been able to positively tell me exactly why it happened.

I replaced the engine with a new Volvo Penta D3. It was not an easy installation, as the new generation diesels are configured differently. We had to cut some of the frame to get the engine to sit correctly, adapt the old 24V alternator mount to clear the wall (the new one is side mounted and would not work), and modify the exhaust system to go with a 90mm exhaust from the muffler to a new flapper outlet. Volvo would not sign off on the engine without the larger exhaust hose (the original was 75mm). It was a pain, but the new layout reduces back pressure and minimizes the amount of water flowing back into the muffler on shutdown - all good with the new systems.

The good news is that I am now up and running after more than a year of "dead in the water" time. We did a sea trial and all looks good, except a cocked engine mount. We are trying to figure out why.

I have a couple of things to finish and I am looking for help out there. The new engine uses an eKey system (kind of like a car), so there is no key switch. As such it no longer turn on the things that started up when you turned the key. I believe there is a 12V engine room fan that came on, and maybe a pump. I also believe the ignition turned on the 24V alternator field to allow it to charge the house batteries, as well as energize the isolation relay. The engine did not come with the ground isolation system that Amel installed on the original engine. Volvo has something they call a "2-pole" which I have bought, but they give me no documentation. I pretty much have to figure it out on my own.

Does anyone out there know how the isolation relay works on their Volvo engine? Also what systems start up when you turn on the ignition?

Many thanks for the earlier support.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Hurth Transmission

connwilliamson@...
 

I have a 1982 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine. The transmission doesn't seem to have any id plates.

Does anyone know what model it might be. I just want to know for for recording purposes.

Thanks 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heavy weather sail

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We got our sail made in 2009. Still in one piece so I guess that says something
Regards
Danny
Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Aug 28, 2016 7:41 AM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I had a sail made by super sailmakers , they called it a Caribbean blaster.
Being that they were a Doyle loft I ordered it from them. Unfortunately first the luff tape was wrong and then  in heavy weather the clew blew out. The sheet tore completely through a turnbuckle cover ( heavy plastic) fortunately no one was nearby. It could have at least taken off a hand or blinded you. The problem was they  only pressed in the eye as the clew  instead of adding a stainless ring and webbing it in place. I would check yours. It sits on my garage floor as I have no further  confidence in them or the sail.  In addition when I had the clew replaced the sail maker showed me it was not a Doyle sail. I thought that is was when I bought it.
They had it cut and designed somewhere else. they put it together in Florida.
 
I then had my local Doyle loft make me the sail .Over the years they have made 14 sails for me. My first passage in the fall is a nonstop sail from New York to the Caribbean or South America nonstop.

When I leave, I leave with my 135 hanked on. If we go a little slower, so be it. We can also put up either ballooner or my big gennaker
or the mizzen spinnaker.
I just wish there was a fast way to change the headsail.  In any event the 10.5 oz sail is heavy and requires 3 people to move it and put it up.
 
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?
To: Amel Owners

 

Hi Eric. Sounds like a good option. When we set off from Florida in 2009 we had super sail makers build us a heavy weather 90% Yankee cut

jib. It is surprisingly effective in moderate conditions. But it does mean sail changes at times. Makes your 135 look an option to be considered.
Regards
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean pearl

Sent from my

Vodafone Smart

On Aug 27, 2016 5:50 PM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,
I have a heavy weather sail that I bend on when I go offshore. it is 135% and made of 10.5 oz material. It will go to 50 knots and then it is Jordan drogue time.
Fair winds,
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?
To: Amel Owners

 

Hi Bill, that's the irony of storm sails. In building conditions we can be quite comfortable sailing with the big Genoa part furled, but those same conditions are beyond what we want to face on the fore deck handing that huge sail. A hard call. When having a new 150%

headsail made I told the sail maker not to weight the cloth for the moderate winds the full sail would be used in, but for the strong winds it would be used in partly furled. Their first try was way too light and I sent it back and they provided the right weight at their cost.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean Pearl

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Vodafone Smart

On Aug 27, 2016 1:54 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Paul,

We had a new ATN "Gale Sail" on board, but the conditions prohibited bending this sail on to the Genoa Furler. I sold the Gale Sail afterwards...it had never been used. We mostly used about 2.3 meters of the Genoa and about half of the Mizzen for most of the high winds. When winds subsided to about 35kts, we added about 50% the main and more of the Genoa. We preferred to keep the boat speed under 7kts.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Bill!

That trigger an other question,
What canvas did you use at that condition?
We made very good speed at 30 knots of wind with half the Genua pooled out, but I guess it difficult to have it further furled I got the impression that the top will "fall" out and flog a lot if further furled:
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Heavy weather sail

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric. Sounds like a good option. When we set off from Florida in 2009 we had super sail makers build us a heavy weather 90% Yankee cut jib. It is surprisingly effective in moderate conditions. But it does mean sail changes at times. Makes your 135 look an option to be considered.
Regards
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On Aug 27, 2016 5:50 PM, "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,
I have a heavy weather sail that I bend on when I go offshore. it is 135% and made of 10.5 oz material. It will go to 50 knots and then it is Jordan drogue time.
Fair winds,
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "simms simms@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?
To: Amel Owners

 

Hi Bill, that's the irony of storm sails. In building conditions we can be quite comfortable sailing with the big Genoa part furled, but those same conditions are beyond what we want to face on the fore deck handing that huge sail. A hard call. When having a new 150%

headsail made I told the sail maker not to weight the cloth for the moderate winds the full sail would be used in, but for the strong winds it would be used in partly furled. Their first try was way too light and I sent it back and they provided the right weight at their cost.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my

Vodafone Smart

On Aug 27, 2016 1:54 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Paul,

We had a new ATN "Gale Sail" on board, but the conditions prohibited bending this sail on to the Genoa Furler. I sold the Gale Sail afterwards...it had never been used. We mostly used about 2.3 meters of the Genoa and about half of the Mizzen for most of the high winds. When winds subsided to about 35kts, we added about 50% the main and more of the Genoa. We preferred to keep the boat speed under 7kts.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Bill!

That trigger an other question,
What canvas did you use at that condition?
We made very good speed at 30 knots of wind with half the Genua pooled out, but I guess it difficult to have it further furled I got the impression that the top will "fall" out and flog a lot if further furled:
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter and display

Eric Freedman
 


Re: Chain counter and display

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Stephanie,

Is your counter damaged?  Ours was fine, so when we replaced all the electronics in 2013, we kept the counter.

All we did is relocate the counter to the starboard side, to the right of the Amel speaker.  Works nicely, it illuminates at night, and we use it almost every day.

On new Amels, they now install a counter from the maker of the anchor gypsy, I believe.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K n. 350
Sardinia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dry dock bilge usage?

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dry dock bilge usage?

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent , Your boat is a later model , perhaps they wired it differently. On mine ,if I shut off the batteries , I have no power to the sump. It would be fairly easy to run a wire from the battery side to the beaker in the engine room.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dry dock bilge usage?

 
Yes, that requires dedicated wires from the batteries to the pump and breakers.

I'll see if I can find those electrical schematics that show it.  May have to wait til I get back to the boat.
Kent

On Aug 27, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent, So are you saying that when your two battery switches are off, you still have power to the sump pump.
Pat SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dry dock bilge usage?

 
On the electrical drawings from Amel, it shows the sump pump coming from the battery side of the switch.  That's how Kristy was wired when I got her.  I have also moved the charger DC output cables to the battery side of the switch so I can turn everything off but the charger.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I agree Kent , keeping my boat on a mooring I want the sump to be working, but would like to disconnect the rest of the boat. I am reluctant to change things electrically , but am wondering if there is a compelling reason not to change it over. I hope everything went well for you.
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2016 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dry dock bilge usage?

 
Any reason we couldn't power the bilge pump from the battery side of the main switches?  That's how my charger is wired.

I really don't think a functioning sump pump is necessary when on the hard, but when in the water, it would be nice to have a functioning sump pump, but turn everything else off.
Kent "Patch"
SM 243
Kristy