Bill (Rouse),

 

Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop.

I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed.

She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia.

 

All the best to all,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]

Chris,

 

Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will 

​accommodate

 an AutoProp? 

 

As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp

​. Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp​

. 

​I know that ​Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224.

 

​Y​

ou will 

​compare the attached photo

​of Hull #387 ​

to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.

 

 

​Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:46, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Boat on the hard in Curacao and me in UK…

:-)

JPG

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:39, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Pierre,

Great sail well done - where are you now? Peter

Carango

Amel 54#035

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:05, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

Good run Danny,

I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm.  :-)  Moving right along!!

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera SM 007

On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny

amazing

3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day

and 3 day with no wind.

You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?

tell us the story

greetings

Hanspeter

SM 16 , Tamango 2

Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away  in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.

Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. 

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .

Thanks,< /span>

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]  0;amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery.  Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< /span>

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Pat,

 

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.

< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.

  Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

 

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact.  I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm.    A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load,  but when you try to start there  is not enough current to do anything.   ;

 

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines.  When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8,  was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?   

 

 If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery.  That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery.  But you already tried a different battery.  Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?  

 

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

 

  Regards,  John

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston SC

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will st art.

Battery shows 12.6 V

Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   

Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches

When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.

After that Voltage only measures 11. 8

After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly

Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing

I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>

Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.

The glow plug lite does not even come on.

fuse is good on back side of Gen.

Solenoids don't click

Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

 

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 

My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?

Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.

Do both engines share the same ground?

To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

< /div>

 

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

---

Posted by: "hanspeter.baettig@..." <hanspeter.baettig@...>

---

Reply via web post

•

Reply to sender

•

Reply to group

•

Start a New Topic

•

Messages in this topic (37)

---

Have you tried the highest rated email app?

With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

---

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:39, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Jean-Pierre,

Great sail well done - where are you now? Peter
Carango
Amel 54#035

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:05, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... <mailto:jgermain@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi everyone,


Good run Danny,

I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm. :-) Moving right along!!


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera SM 007

On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@... <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...>' hanspeter.baettig@... <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:



Hi Danny
amazing
3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day
and 3 day with no wind.
You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?
tell us the story
greetings
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>:

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.
Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <x-msg://2/mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .
Thanks,< /span>
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners]  0;amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sail w32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< /span>
Thanks,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... <mailto:mcerdos@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



<>Pat,

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us <http://www.creampuff.us/>

From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...?>]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting


John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.
< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] < <mailto:john.biohead@...>amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.
Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not enough current to do anything. ;

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?

If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

Regards, John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston SC


---In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>, <sailw32@...> wrote :
For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will st art.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines
My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids
< /div>

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

Posted by: "hanspeter.baettig@... <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...>" <hanspeter.baettig@... <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...>>
Reply via web post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/34481;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmhvbjk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw--?act=reply&messageNum=34481> • Reply to sender <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Reply to group <mailto:amelyachtowners@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Start a New Topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaWRmbGpkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw--> • Messages in this topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/34416;_ylc=X3oDMTM2ZnF0cTZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3NwR0cGNJZAMzNDQxNg--> (37)

Have you tried the highest rated email app? <https://yho.com/1wwmgg>
With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.
VISIT YOUR GROUP <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYXR1czNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw-->
New Members <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMTQ4bWNvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE1MDExMTAzNzc-> 6
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdnJkY2NjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNTAxMTEwMzc3>• Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • Unsubscribe <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>

Posted by: Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...>
Reply via web post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/34500;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcTM3cjdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NTAwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTE1OTE4MA--?act=reply&messageNum=34500> • Reply to sender <mailto:ppsforbes@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Reply to group <mailto:amelyachtowners@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Start a New Topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaXFtdG45BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTE1OTE4MA--> • Messages in this topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/34416;_ylc=X3oDMTM2OWN1bDJuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NTAwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTE1OTE4MAR0cGNJZAMzNDQxNg--> (42)

Have you tried the highest rated email app?
<https://yho.com/1wwmgg>With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.
VISIT YOUR GROUP <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTNkZWJkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTE1OTE4MA--> New Members <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2ZxdXVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE1MDExNTkxODA-> 6
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcm5lcW1jBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNTAxMTU5MTgw>• Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • Unsubscribe <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>

On 27 Jul 2017, at 13:05, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

Good run Danny,

I did 1800 NM in 10 days flat while crossing the ATL of which 2 days topped 200 nm.  :-)  Moving right along!!

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera SM 007

On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny

amazing

3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day

and 3 day with no wind.

You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?

tell us the story

greetings

Hanspeter

SM 16 , Tamango 2

Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away  in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.

Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. 

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .

Thanks,< /span>

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]  0;amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery.  Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< /span>

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Pat,

 

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.

< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.

  Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

 

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact.  I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm.    A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load,  but when you try to start there  is not enough current to do anything.   ;

 

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines.  When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8,  was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?   

 

 If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery.  That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery.  But you already tried a different battery.  Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?  

 

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

 

  Regards,  John

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston SC

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will st art.

Battery shows 12.6 V

Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   

Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches

When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.

After that Voltage only measures 11. 8

After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly

Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing

I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>

Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.

The glow plug lite does not even come on.

fuse is good on back side of Gen.

Solenoids don't click

Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

 

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 

My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?

Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.

Do both engines share the same ground?

To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

< /div>

 

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

---

Posted by: "hanspeter.baettig@..." <hanspeter.baettig@...>

---

Reply via web post

•

Reply to sender

•

Reply to group

•

Start a New Topic

•

Messages in this topic (37)

---

Have you tried the highest rated email app?

With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.

---

Visit Your Group

• New Members 6

• Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

 

Bill (Rouse),

 

Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop.

I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed.

She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia.

 

All the best to all,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]

Chris,

 

Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will 

​accommodate

 an AutoProp? 

 

As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp

​. Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp​

. 

​I know that ​Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224.

 

​Y​

ou will 

​compare the attached photo

​of Hull #387 ​

to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.

 

 

​Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

On Wed, 7/26/17, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] shaft seal for Calpeda AC puimp
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 4:58 PM


 









Hi,I
need to buy a spare shaft seal on the Calpeda pump that is
for my AC units.I
am repairing another pump and found a source for Metric
shaft seals , I thought I would, at the same time, buy a
spare for the Calpeda AC pump.Can
someone email me a photo and measurements of the seal and
the seat?There seems to be many configurations of
this seat and 4 different seat materials such as graphite ,
ceramic and a few others.I
can then order it at the same time. Fair Winds EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu
#376  Kimberlite@...,___

On 27 Jul 2017, at 00:04, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Danny
amazing
3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day
and 3 day with no wind.
You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?
tell us the story
greetings
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>:

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.
Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.
Regards
Danny
On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sailw32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <x-msg://2/mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .
Thanks,< /span>
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... <mailto:simms@...> [amelyachtowners]  0;amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



Hi Pat,
I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... <mailto:sail w32@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< /span>
Thanks,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... <mailto:mcerdos@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting



<>Pat,

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us <http://www.creampuff.us/>

From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...?>]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting


John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.
< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] < <mailto:john.biohead@...>amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.
Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there is not enough current to do anything. ;

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?

If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

Regards, John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston SC


---In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>, <sailw32@...> wrote :
For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;
Neither engine will st art.
Battery shows 12.6 V
Have 12.6 V at both solenoids
Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches
When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.
After that Voltage only measures 11. 8
After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly
Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing
I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>
Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.
The glow plug lite does not even come on.
fuse is good on back side of Gen.
Solenoids don't click
Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines
My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?
Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.
Do both engines share the same ground?
To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids
< /div>

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

Posted by: "hanspeter.baettig@..." <hanspeter.baettig@...>
Reply via web post <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/34481;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmhvbjk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw--?act=reply&messageNum=34481> • Reply to sender <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Reply to group <mailto:amelyachtowners@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BAmel%20Yacht%20Owners%5D%20Re%3A%20Engines%20not%20starting> • Start a New Topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaWRmbGpkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw--> • Messages in this topic <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/34416;_ylc=X3oDMTM2ZnF0cTZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzM0NDgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3NwR0cGNJZAMzNDQxNg--> (37)

Have you tried the highest rated email app?
<https://yho.com/1wwmgg>With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage.
VISIT YOUR GROUP <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYXR1czNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTUwMTExMDM3Nw--> New Members <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMTQ4bWNvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE1MDExMTAzNzc-> 6
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdnJkY2NjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNTAxMTEwMzc3>• Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • Unsubscribe <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 27, 2017 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engines are starting








Glad it turned out to be an easy fix, and you can now get back to some sailing.


Steve,
Aloha SM72

On Jul 26, 2017, at 23:35, simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:






Well you got there in the end. Old rule, start at the source.
Regards
Danny
Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 27 Jul 2017 13:18, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:




I just want the group to know that I discovered my problem and assumptions are often wrong. First mistake is that for years I have meant to buy a load tester and did not , until Monday when this problem developed . Even though the starter battery read 12.6 , when it got pulled down quickly to 11.8 , I replaced it with house batteries that are always fully charged 100% due to being on a mooring and three solar panels . They also failed to start the engines , that is when I turned my attention away from the batteries and to connections at the switches . That is until I received my load tester this afternoon , I just went out the boat , not only was the starter battery bad , but the next two house batteries that I used as well . I took a good one and the engines fired right up. So tomorrow its off to buy three new batteries and I will load test them before bringing them home. I remember Bill finding new batteries that were bad when he bought them. I want to Thank everyone for their suggestions and time. Load tester .. don't leave home without one.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting







Hi Danny
amazing
3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day
and 3 day with no wind.
You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?
tell us the story
greetings
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:






Hi Pat,
I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us an d discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away in his aft lazarette . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.
Thanks,
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting






Hi Pat,
sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.
Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.
Regards
Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting.
Thanks,
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amel yachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting






Hi Pat,
That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.
Regards
Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .
Thanks,< /span>
Pat SM#123



-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners ] 0;amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting






Hi Pat,
I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery. Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< ;/span>
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting







Pat,

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.



With best regards,
&nb sp;
Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: T uesday, July 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting





John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.
<div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting




Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.

Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:



1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact. I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm. A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load, but when you try to start there &nbs p;is not enough current to do anything. ;



2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines. When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8, was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?



If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery. That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery. But you already tried a different battery. Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?



I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a loo k at my starting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.



Regards, John



John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston SC



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will st art.

Battery shows 12.6 V

Have 12.6 V at both solenoids

Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches

When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.

After that Voltage only measures 11. 8

After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly

Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothin g

I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>

Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.

The glow plug lite does not even come on.

fuse is good on back side of Gen.

Solenoids don't click

Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.



It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines

My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?

Both engines would not share this switch , would they.

Do both engines share the same ground?

To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids
< /div>


Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

On Jul 26, 2017, at 23:35, simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well you got there in the end. Old rule, start at the source.
Regards
Danny

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 27 Jul 2017 13:18, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just want the group to know that I discovered my problem and assumptions are often wrong. First mistake is that for years I have meant to buy a load tester and did not , until Monday when this problem developed . Even though the starter battery read 12.6 , when it got pulled down quickly to 11.8 , I replaced it with house batteries that are always fully charged  100% due to being on a mooring and three solar panels . They also failed to start the engines , that is when I turned my attention away from the batteries and to connections at the switches . That is until I received my load tester this afternoon , I just went out the boat , not only was the starter battery bad , but the next two house batteries that I used as well . I took a good one and the engines fired right up. So tomorrow its off to buy three new batteries and I will load test them before bringing them home. I remember Bill finding new batteries that were bad when he bought them. I want to Thank everyone for their suggestions and time. Load tester .. don't leave home without one.

Thank You,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

Hi Danny

amazing

3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day

and 3 day with no wind.

You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?

tell us the story

greetings

Hanspeter

SM 16 , Tamango 2

Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us an d discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away  in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.

Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. 

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amel yachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .

Thanks,< /span>

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners ]  0;amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery.  Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< ; /span>

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Pat,

 

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.

 

 

With best regards,

&nb sp;

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: T uesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.

< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.

  Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

 

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact.  I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm.    A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load,  but when you try to start there &nbs p;is not enough current to do anything.   ;

 

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines.  When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8,  was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?   

 

 If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery.  That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery.  But you already tried a different battery.  Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?  

 

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a loo k at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

 

  Regards,  John

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston SC

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will st art.

Battery shows 12.6 V

Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   

Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches

When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.

After that Voltage only measures 11. 8

After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly

Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothin g

I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>

Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.

The glow plug lite does not even come on.

fuse is good on back side of Gen.

Solenoids don't click

Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

 

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 

My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?

Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.

Do both engines share the same ground?

To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

< /div>

 

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 09:02, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Vladimir,

Mine are covered in heat shrink tubing. They are Motorola diodes . Unfortunately I ma not near the boat today. I think Alexandre bought a few and has the number, or you can just cut the heat shrink and read the numbers and then just re shrink the . If I remember correctly they have solderless connectors on each end.

Fair Winds

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlte

----- Original Message -----
From: "sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:56 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Isolated ground of my Yankar 4jh3hte #376 Kimberlite
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hi Eric,
>
> I want to buy spare diods. Please give me information on the
> diods that are on the coil wire of the Valeo ground breaking
> solenoid.
>
> Vladimir
>
> SM # 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
>

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

Thanks all, very helpful as I plan on installing one within the next 6 months.

I'm assuming these are all schedule 80 tubing.

S/V Longbow SM2K #418

Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app

On Saturday, July 22, 2017, 4:19:43 PM CDT, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I also installed the Atlantic Towers arch and agree with Pat about the 45 degree post. Mark's set up on Cream Puff is also strong. We've sailed about 3000 blue water miles and not experienced any sway. We do not carry the dinghy on the davits while on passage. We are also adding a "shock" halyard that goes to the top of the mizzen mast and splits to both sides of the arch. I used this arrangement on my last boat and found it comforting when bashing into head seas.

Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM153

Ft. Lauderdale, FL

 

Hi Danny

amazing

3200 sm in 17 days; means 188 sm per day

and 3 day with no wind.

You sail realy a Super Maramu or a racing cat ?

tell us the story

greetings

Hanspeter

SM 16 , Tamango 2

Sardinia, Palau

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.07.2017 um 20:58 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Pat,

I wont tell Kent about the stowaway. If you take off the three windless days the miles covered in the other 14 days easily tops 200. Not many classes can match that. A big part of it is the ability to go through the night under full sail because it is so easy to reduce sail without leaving the security of the cockpit. Most cruisers in other designs sensibly reduce sail at nightfall.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 July 2017 at 00:21 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , That is a great ave. run about 190 . Kent drove up a couple of weeks ago and had dinner with us and discussed his plans. Don't tell him, but I plan to stow away  in his aft lazarett e . My understanding is that when you turn the key , it closes a solenoid that connects the neg. side to the starter solenoid. I would like to know where it is , as it could be could fail someday. If my understanding is incorrect , I would appreciate it if someone would tell me I am mistaken . This would be on a Volvo TMD 22A.

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

sorry you wont make NZ by sail, its a great voyage across the Pacific. Some great down wind sailing in big Pacific swells. We did 3200 miles in 17 days and had three days with no wind. These SM have long legs. I think Kent is building up a head of steam to do it.

Sorry, cant give you the solenoid position. I would do a wire trace starting with the battery terminals and working through.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 13:02 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny , Yea email is great .Diane and I would love to see you guys again, I thought it would happen under sail one day , but with four grandchildren in the last two years , it may have to be under wings. I love N.Z. and want to revisit it someday. Do you know where the negative solenoid is located , I want to check the contacts , although that would not explain the Gen. set not starting. 

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

That's the good side of problems, it gets us on to the forum to renew friendships. Great to maintain contact from so far away.

Regards

Danny

On 26 July 2017 at 09:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, The intermittent starting problem I have had for months. The engine would do nothing or it would start right up normally. I switched out batteries , no jumper . I think it is most likely to be a poor connection somewhere and probably on the negative side. Thats where I will start , going out to the boat now to get started . Good to hear from you , say Hi ! to Yvonne .

Thanks,< /span>

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]  0;amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Hi Pat,

I spin through the posts deleting after read but I believe you said the motors start sometimes, sometimes not. When they start do they spin as per normal or groan. Batteries dont fail and then not fail. You've tried another battery with n o change which gives a pretty positive lead to it not being battery.  Was that by jumper lead or by switching via terminals? The symptoms sound like a bad connection. Not the starting switch because there are separate for each engine. It has to be a common connection. Battery terminals a good starting point

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 July 2017 at 04:36 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark, I ordered a load tester today, something I have meant to do for a long time. I switched out batteries to eliminate it being the battery , but who knows , maybe with my luck , both are bad. I hope so , but that would be too easy. The thing is , there doesn't seem to be enough power to excite the gauges or the alarm buzzer or the glow plug light. Seems like a bad connection on the neg. side somewhere, but what do I know, answer , very little.

< /span>

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Ame l Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

Pat,

 

Test the battery with a load tester. If you do not have a load tester you can take the battery to any automotive parts store for testing. Measuring the voltage will not tell you if the battery has enough oomph left in it.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul y 25, 2017 10:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

 

John,The 11.8v was after turning the key in an attempt to start , but nothing happens not even a click from the solenoid . I can't understand what would bleed off the voltage , nothing is hot to the touch. Even the gauges don't move or alarm button buzz. On the generator the glow plug doesn't light up.

< div class="ox-a770aa1e71-aolmail_ox-dc7bb36eea-aolmail_ox-939b5ba8cb-aolmail_ox-fbd1f879e3-aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Thanks ,Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: john.biohead@...< /a> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtown ers <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jul 25, 2017 9:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engines not starting

 

Not sure which model you have but on my SM 37 there is one common starting battery for both the generator and motor.

  Reaching back to my days tinkering with old cars I have a couple of thoughts:

 

1. wiggling a switch then things work sounds like the switch is not making go od contact.  I assume you are speaking of the battery disconnect switch, not the ignition/starter switch at the helm.    A high resistance connection could cause the symptoms of OK voltage without load,  but when you try to start there  is not enough current to do anything.   ;

 

2. If the battery is failing it might be able to show OK voltage but not have capacity to start the engines.  When you said after attempting to start the voltage measures 11.8,  was that while starting or after the attempts are completed?   

 

 If the starter motors don't fire there shouldn't have been a lot of drain on the batt ery.  That 11.8 after an attempt would then point me toward a bad battery.  But you already tried a different battery.  Are you sure all the batteries tried are good and properly charged?  

 

I am doing some work in the engine room later today, I will take a look at my s tarting circuit and let you know if I see anything that makes sense for these symptoms.

 

  Regards,  John

 

John Clark

SV Annie SM 37

Charleston SC

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

For some time I have had an intermittent probably starting my Volvo engine , I would turn the battery switch on and off a few times and it would start . I don't know if that was coincidental or not. Last night we went out to go for a sail and the eng ine would not start and I discovered that the generator would not start either. I would trouble shoot this more myself , but a year ago and reconfirmed a week ago , I agreed to take an elderly couple and their family out on my boat for a sunset sail to celebrate their 50 th Anniversary , they are really looking forward to it and so need to solve this issue within five days. B elow is what I determined last night ;

Neither engine will st art.

Battery shows 12.6 V

Have 12.6 V at both solenoids   

Have 12.6 V at battery wires on back side of battery switches

When I turn the key , the fan comes on , turn the key to start and fan and gauges go dead.

After that Voltage only measures 11. 8

After short time , turn key and fan runs very slowly

Turn key again , fan does not run , gauges dead , even alarm button pushed , nothing

I switched wires to another 12v house battery , same things happen< /d iv>

Generator switch has 12.6 V at the terminals , five white wires , don't know which does what.

The glow plug lite does not even come on.

fuse is good on back side of Gen.

Solenoids don't click

Since battery voltage went down after key is turned a few times , I checked for heat on starter & solenoid , both cool to touch.

 

It seems logical that whatever the problem is , that it is affecting both engines 

My understand ing is that when the key is turned , the ground is momentarily connected by a switch , where is this switch located ?

Bot h engines would not share this switch , would they.

Do both engines share the same ground?

To me it seems like corrosion on a terminal , but I get 12.6 on the back of the battery switches between the positive and negative wires , from there I have 12.6 at the solenoids 

< /div>

 

Any thoughts on wh at to check or what may be my problem would be appreciated.