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Re: Surveyor

william_maffei@...
 

I used Fergus Prescott who specializes in Amels. He is British but resides in Turkey. Did a great job in my opinion and was very reasonably priced. If you would like, personal message me and I'd be happy to share his contact information. 

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Surveyor

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

+ 1000

Jean-Pierre Germain
ELEUTHERA, SM 007


On 21 Oct 2016, at 13:15, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Steve,

If I were you, instead to take a chance with a non-Amel surveyor that won’t understand the boat, I would fly Olivier, it will be money very well spent.
You coudn’t get better than him.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 10/21/16, mimtsqwbzz5xbfai4gco4otu3lpigperpq6qnatm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Surveyor
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 21, 2016, 6:49 AM


 









Hi
         Does anyone have
contacts for a good surveyor with knowledge of Amels in
Turkey?RegardsSteve










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Surveyor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,

If I were you, instead to take a chance with a non-Amel surveyor that won’t understand the boat, I would fly Olivier, it will be money very well spent.
You coudn’t get better than him.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Fri, 10/21/16, mimtsqwbzz5xbfai4gco4otu3lpigperpq6qnatm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Surveyor
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 21, 2016, 6:49 AM


 









Hi
         Does anyone have
contacts for a good surveyor with knowledge of Amels in
Turkey?RegardsSteve










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Surveyor

mimtsqwbzz5xbfai4gco4otu3lpigperpq6qnatm@...
 

Hi

         Does anyone have contacts for a good surveyor with knowledge of Amels in Turkey?

Regards

Steve


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

James Alton
 

Ian,
 
   Great to hear that the prop generator has worked out so well for you.  The alternator and wiring is still in place on my boat but the driving pulley on the shaft was removed.  I will look into reinstalling it and getting the system working again.
 
Thanks,
 
James Alton
 
Maramu 220, Sueno
 
 

---- Original Message ----
From: Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

 
James
We crossed from Capo Verde to Barbados, 13 days and the batteries were 100% all the way , all instruments, fridge, SSB and autopilot.
In Caribbean as long as we are +5 knots the prop alternator keeps us well charged up.
We got the 2000 watt generator so the hairdryer and heated rollers would work. Peace and harmony rules!
The solar panels and generator are mainly for anchorages. We hardly ever use marinas. They've paid for themselves already.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96 (Grenada)
 
 
---- Original Message ----
From: Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

 
James
We crossed from Capo Verde to Barbados, 13 days and the batteries were 100% all the way , all instruments, fridge, SSB and autopilot.
In Caribbean as long as we are +5 knots the prop alternator keeps us well charged up.
We got the 2000 watt generator so the hairdryer and heated rollers would work. Peace and harmony rules!
The solar panels and generator are mainly for anchorages. We hardly ever use marinas. They've paid for themselves already.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96 (Grenada)


Re: flexible rubber coupling

Alan Leslie
 

I have seen two Super Maramus with broken coupling bolts because the nuts with spring washers had worked loose.
I put nyloc nuts on mine and check them for tightness after every long motoring...they have never come loose since I put nyloc nuts on them.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

Ian Park
 

James
We crossed from Capo Verde to Barbados, 13 days and the batteries were 100% all the way , all instruments, fridge, SSB and autopilot.
In Caribbean as long as we are +5 knots the prop alternator keeps us well charged up.
We got the 2000 watt generator so the hairdryer and heated rollers would work. Peace and harmony rules!
The solar panels and generator are mainly for anchorages. We hardly ever use marinas. They've paid for themselves already.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96 (Grenada)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I'll follow the instructions, its funny they told me (the dealer) that they just use the pink antifreeze, with glycol .
Thanks for taking the time,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

 
For my system here are the directions from Dessalator.  They have been slightly edited from the original translated version for clarity, and adjusted for the model installed on my Amel:

==========================
If the system will be out of service for more than one month:

1.  In a bucket, make a solution of 10 liters of water, 100 grams of Sodium bisulfate, and 2 liters of glycerine. Mix completely. [If I am not going to be in a cold water zone, I skip the glycerine]

2.  Place the suction hose from the pressure pump and the brine discharge line from the membrane in the bucket.

3.  Open the pressure regulating valve completely.

4.  Run the pump for 10 minutes circulating the solution through the seawater side of the membrane.

5.  Shut down the pump, and return hoses to their normal con nection points. Discard contents of the bucket.

For RE-START after storage:

1. Open pressure regulating valve completely. 

2.  Start the pump and run seawater through the system for 10 minutes with no back pressure.

3.  After 10 minutes of flushing, slowly rotate the pressure regulating valve clockwise until the flow gauge indicates the correct flow rate of product water, not exceeding 65 bar inlet pressure.
=======================

Dessalator's current product instructions use a "sterilizing cartridge" that dissolves the sodium bisulfate in-line and a straight glycerine solution made in a bucket.  What we call glycerine in the USA is called "gylcerol" in Europe.  I will give odds that got confused with gylcol at some point by somebody with limited chemistry ba ckground.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Annapolis, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

greatketch@...
 

For my system here are the directions from Dessalator.  They have been slightly edited from the original translated version for clarity, and adjusted for the model installed on my Amel:

==========================
If the system will be out of service for more than one month:

1.  In a bucket, make a solution of 10 liters of water, 100 grams of Sodium bisulfate, and 2 liters of glycerine. Mix completely. [If I am not going to be in a cold water zone, I skip the glycerine]

2.  Place the suction hose from the pressure pump and the brine discharge line from the membrane in the bucket.

3.  Open the pressure regulating valve completely.

4.  Run the pump for 10 minutes circulating the solution through the seawater side of the membrane.

5.  Shut down the pump, and return hoses to their normal connection points. Discard contents of the bucket.

For RE-START after storage:

1. Open pressure regulating valve completely. 

2.  Start the pump and run seawater through the system for 10 minutes with no back pressure.

3.  After 10 minutes of flushing, slowly rotate the pressure regulating valve clockwise until the flow gauge indicates the correct flow rate of product water, not exceeding 65 bar inlet pressure.
=======================

Dessalator's current product instructions use a "sterilizing cartridge" that dissolves the sodium bisulfate in-line and a straight glycerine solution made in a bucket.  What we call glycerine in the USA is called "gylcerol" in Europe.  I will give odds that got confused with gylcol at some point by somebody with limited chemistry background.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Annapolis, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill , I contacted Great Water the dealer a few years ago , and they advised me to just use potable antifreeze with glycol . Do you feel Sodium bisulfate would be better , if so I will use that, I see that you buy on ebay. Would it penetrate the membranes , or you pump it through with no pressure ?
Thanks,
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 1:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

 
FYI:  The recommended chemical for long term pickling and storage of Dessalator membranes is NOT Sodium metabisulfate (Na2S2O5) rather it is Sodium bisulfate (NaHSO4).  

The long term storage solution should be  20% glycerin for freeze protection and 1% sodium bisulfate as a biocide.

They are VERY different chemicals with similar sounding names. Sodium metabisulfate is ONLY for short term cleaning of the membrane NOT storage.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Annapolis, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Gary, Thanks for you detailed post, I will print it out and follow it. I wish pickling was not necessary ( read boat in Caribbean) , but a grandchild coming in Feb. can somehow mess with ones sailing schedule.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM # 123


-----Original Message-----
From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 11:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Pickling watermaker

 
Hi All:   The last reply is correct, in that the propylene glycol (NOT to be confused with ethylene glycol) antifreeze solution is too large of a molecule to penetrate the RO (reverse osmosis)  membranes.  

You should NOT raise the pressure in the system while circulating the anti-freeze solution.   Only the water that the propylene glycol is diluted in will penetrate the membrane NOT the antifreeze.

You have to think of your system as two separate loops;  A) the seawater side that includes the sea-chest, sea-water manifold,  low pressure feed pump, pre-filters, high pressure pump, sea-water side of the membranes and housing, control panel plumbing with the pressure knob and associated plumbing, and the brine water rejection plumbing to overboard, and B) the fresh water side of the membranes, the control panel plumbing with the diverter valve, and the lines to the fresh water tank.  

As you probably know I am against using meta-bisulfite for storage.  It is corrosive and damages all metal parts.  When using propylene glycol for winterization (anti-freeze protection) you need to protect both sides of the system.  To protect the sea water side circulate the antifreeze solution thru the system WITHOUT RAISING THE PRESSURE.  After having done that THEN using a syringe or other means of injecting some antifreeze solution flush the fresh water side by disconnecting the fresh water (product water) line at the membranes, allowing the membranes to drain, and then injecting some of the propylene glycol solution into the membrane cavity and thru the product water line.  I would guess that only about 3 or 4 ounces of the antifreeze injected down the product water lines will be adequate as it is a small bore line  and even less will fill the RO membrane center tube (disclaimer I haven't actually winterized my boat but see this:  


Note insert dots and slashes where indicated.

West Marine also has some information on their products for winterizing on their web site.

While there is no way to treat the entire fresh water contents of the membrane cavity (this isn't a loop that you can flush), the center product water tube will drain and you can back flush some antifreeze into that tube.  There isn't a great deal of fresh water volume in there anyway.  So let the fresh water side drain from the membranes, then fill as best you can with concentrated antifreeze then re-connect the already flushed product water tubing to membranes fresh water line.  The bulk of the volume of the cavity is filled with the membranes and the sea water volume.  If what little fresh water there is in the cavity freezes it won't burst or damage the membranes as there is room for expansion provided by the sea-water side which won't freeze. That is my theory at least, as there is no way to circulate propylene glycol thru the fresh water side of the membranes.   

Hope this helps. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver    s/v Liahona   Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335 
Currently in Puerto Rico at Puerto Del Rey Marina


 


Re: Pickling watermaker

greatketch@...
 

Pat, 

I get mine from EBAY...

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: Pickling watermaker

greatketch@...
 

FYI:  The recommended chemical for long term pickling and storage of Dessalator membranes is NOT Sodium metabisulfate (Na2S2O5) rather it is Sodium bisulfate (NaHSO4).  

The long term storage solution should be  20% glycerin for freeze protection and 1% sodium bisulfate as a biocide.

They are VERY different chemicals with similar sounding names. Sodium metabisulfate is ONLY for short term cleaning of the membrane NOT storage.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Annapolis, MD



Re: Windlass bolt to deck

sbmesasailor
 

In addition to cobalt drill bits, I've had good success with a product called AnchorLube.  It seems to work especially well on stainless steel.  Pretty cheap too.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Grenada


Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

 

We have a 4kw Panda with Kubota 1 cylinder engine. Very satisfied, runs every second day, reliable and silent. 0,5 l diesel per hour. Up to now only one problem, caused by the mechanic in Kusadasi that made „some enhancements“ to the exhaust system and did not use the original spare – water entry occured. But easy to repair engine and very good design.  For an Amel installation a solenoid should be installed to separate battery minus from housing (connect only for starting).  This year I upgraded it to use variable rpm based on load, works good and silent.

 

Fischer panda in germany has the best support I ever had with any technical equipment in my life, absolut extraordinary,  at least due to this I would buy one again. 

 

For me on the santorin it is not the questuon if I would buy a Fischer Panda or not, it is if I really need a genset, and my answer would be „no“ (like Ian on Ocean Hobo a portable genset, maybe Honda is also a good alternative). Enough Solar panels and the great shaft alternator should be enough. But if installing an genset for me the Panda is a very good choice.

 

Herbert

Kali Mera SN 120, Trinidad

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hello James,

I had a Honda 2000 on my last boat. It is not rated at 2 KW but at about 1.6 KW. 

The 1000 is also well under the 1 KW mark.

GL




On 20 Oct 2016, at 17:02, lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,
 
   I am curious about how the prop alternator has worked out for you.   Would you have any rough data on how many amp hours per day you can get on a Trade Winds passage?
 
   I would not want to add the complexity of a genset and built in A/C to my Maramu either.  I am considering a Honda 1000 petrol portable genset as a back up to the solar.
 
Best,
 
James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy
 
 
---- Original Message ----
From: Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 4:01 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

 
Trevor
No AC but I did consider the genset. In the end the cost and upkeep put me off. I bought a 2000 watt petrol generator instead. It runs the mains battery charger if I need it and any mains voltage I require. The prop alternator and solar panels keeps things going well enough. My reasoning was that I could buy 5 petrol generators for the price of a diesel installation. I can also use it hauled out as it isn't seawater cooled.
However if you do install AC then I would think a genset is a must.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

James Alton
 

Ian,
 
   I am curious about how the prop alternator has worked out for you.   Would you have any rough data on how many amp hours per day you can get on a Trade Winds passage?
 
   I would not want to add the complexity of a genset and built in A/C to my Maramu either.  I am considering a Honda 1000 petrol portable genset as a back up to the solar.
 
Best,
 
James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Sardinia,  Italy
 
 

---- Original Message ----
From: Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2016 4:01 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Instal AC / Genset on Santorin

 
Trevor
No AC but I did consider the genset. In the end the cost and upkeep put me off. I bought a 2000 watt petrol generator instead. It runs the mains battery charger if I need it and any mains voltage I require. The prop alternator and solar panels keeps things going well enough. My reasoning was that I could buy 5 petrol generators for the price of a diesel installation. I can also use it hauled out as it isn't seawater cooled.
However if you do install AC then I would think a genset is a must.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Pickling watermaker

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All:   The last reply is correct, in that the propylene glycol (NOT to be confused with ethylene glycol) antifreeze solution is too large of a molecule to penetrate the RO (reverse osmosis)  membranes.  

You should NOT raise the pressure in the system while circulating the anti-freeze solution.   Only the water that the propylene glycol is diluted in will penetrate the membrane NOT the antifreeze.

You have to think of your system as two separate loops;  A) the seawater side that includes the sea-chest, sea-water manifold,  low pressure feed pump, pre-filters, high pressure pump, sea-water side of the membranes and housing, control panel plumbing with the pressure knob and associated plumbing, and the brine water rejection plumbing to overboard, and B) the fresh water side of the membranes, the control panel plumbing with the diverter valve, and the lines to the fresh water tank.  

As you probably know I am against using meta-bisulfite for storage.  It is corrosive and damages all metal parts.  When using propylene glycol for winterization (anti-freeze protection) you need to protect both sides of the system.  To protect the sea water side circulate the antifreeze solution thru the system WITHOUT RAISING THE PRESSURE.  After having done that THEN using a syringe or other means of injecting some antifreeze solution flush the fresh water side by disconnecting the fresh water (product water) line at the membranes, allowing the membranes to drain, and then injecting some of the propylene glycol solution into the membrane cavity and thru the product water line.  I would guess that only about 3 or 4 ounces of the antifreeze injected down the product water lines will be adequate as it is a small bore line  and even less will fill the RO membrane center tube (disclaimer I haven't actually winterized my boat but see this:  


Note insert dots and slashes where indicated.

West Marine also has some information on their products for winterizing on their web site.

While there is no way to treat the entire fresh water contents of the membrane cavity (this isn't a loop that you can flush), the center product water tube will drain and you can back flush some antifreeze into that tube.  There isn't a great deal of fresh water volume in there anyway.  So let the fresh water side drain from the membranes, then fill as best you can with concentrated antifreeze then re-connect the already flushed product water tubing to membranes fresh water line.  The bulk of the volume of the cavity is filled with the membranes and the sea water volume.  If what little fresh water there is in the cavity freezes it won't burst or damage the membranes as there is room for expansion provided by the sea-water side which won't freeze. That is my theory at least, as there is no way to circulate propylene glycol thru the fresh water side of the membranes.   

Hope this helps. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver    s/v Liahona   Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335 
Currently in Puerto Rico at Puerto Del Rey Marina


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump & Circuit - appropriate operating pressure?

David Vogel <dbv_au@...>
 

Great.  Thanks to you all.  On to it (and 1,001 other miscellaneous To Do's)

PS - we did leave the boat jobs for a day on Tuesday and actually got out sailing .  Oh, what a feeling . . .






Re: Pickling watermaker

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Pat,
My (imperfect) understanding is that the propylene glycol would be too large to fit through the membranes. I would just flush with no pressure. The desaleteur manual says no pressure, but that's for the metabisulfite solution.