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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor
Hi Thomas,
The all Mastervolt solution looks good if you enough $$$s. Regarding your questions, here's my two-penny worth 1. Bowthruster : It's 99.99% sure that you will have the main engine running when you are using the bow thruster. The engine alternator will be charging the house batteries. The bow thruster doesn't care what kind of batteries are powering it aslong as the voltage is correct and the battery bank can supply enough current. That won;t be an issue with a big bank of LiFePO4 batteries, just as it's not an issue with lead-acid batteries BTW I never heard of anyone running the genset when using the bowthruster. 2. Starter battery : This is a completely separate system from your house bank. For a start (pun intended) the start battery is 12V and is charged by the small; alternators on both the main engine and the genset. This battery can be any kind of 12V battery you like but for max CCA you should use lead-acid. 3. Solar panels are great, most efficient if you wire them in series and use an MPPT controller to regulate the voltage. Mastervolt have one that has a profile for LiFePO4 batteries. 4. Capacity : you need to work out your likely consumption ..Bill / ex Bebe published a spreadsheet here with consumption figures that will approximate yours - you can go through it and change for 53 - 54 differences. Then ensuring that you don't exceed the DOD of 80% and adding a buffer, you can calculate your needed capacity. Good luck I'm sure will all be very interested to hear how it all works out. And just a niggle from me, I wish Mastervolt would not call these batteries Lithium Ion when they are Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. Lithium Ion batteries use lithium cobalt dioxide or lithium manganese oxide as a cathode. LiFePO4 batteries use lithium iron phosphate as the cathode material. These batteries have quite different characteristics. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor
Re: Question number 1 - Run the generator to use the bow thruster?????
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising – Mayaguana, Bahamas www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Thanks all for the input. We are off the boat now and haven't made a decision yet. We need to work more numbers to see if it starts to make economic sense.
Regarding compatibility, our 54 is fitted with 2 matervolt chargers (100A and 40A) and the alternator is mastervolt too. The LiFePO4 offering from mastervolt says this is all compatible and just a matter of configuring the various components to work together. The concept of MasterBus is quite attractive too; an easy way to monitor the whole lot.
Remaining questions are:
1. Capability to run the bow thruster safely from those batteries. (We are amel newbies and follow the rule to run the generator when using the bow thruster. Curious to hear your views on the one.)
2. starter battery. As Bill have said, its quality is about CCA. I understand lead is definitely better on that front, but is it advisable to mix types....
3. The case of solar. We are keen to add solar panels. We have simpsons davitts and we are considering adding an arch on top of them to support the panels (seen something similar on the recently sold 54 "Bel Ami", if someone has a contact for them, that'd be great). Probably can fit 3 large ones there, so 700+ watts. Need to check if that makes sense. Ideally we would be self sufficient electricity wise and run the generator for watermaking only.
4. overall capacity. The mastervolt comes in 180Ah. So 2 or 3? I need to write a full list of consumption and work it out.
Regarding access to support, it's a bit murkier. (The Symms seem to have negative view of Mastervolt but I've just come across them and I'll discount their views until I'm convinced of their integrity. Maybe they didn't get goodies from them and badmouth them as a result. The problem with funding one's lifestyle with 'reviews' and shoutouts.) I hope the generalisation of lithium batteries will make access to support more widely available. Mastervolt is rather global by the looks of it. Worse come to the worse, it's always possible to 'downgrade' back to lead.
When I get to a conclusion I'll share the analysis that lead there. Obviously happy to hear more thoughts.
Thomas Garulfo Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gel Coat Cracks adjacent to the backstays & other assorted questions
amelforme
Duane, Sorry for the delay. I just got back into town. If you re-read my lengthy response, you will see I answered most of these questions. Answers in blue below…
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:45 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gel Coat Cracks adjacent to the backstays & other assorted questions
Thanks for the info Joel.
I couldn't remember whether they were there or not for sure Interesting that they cracked through the 2014/15 repair already. Not much point in fixing them if they just keep reappearing. You mentioned adding glass on the inside, is that a repair you've seen that works? Only need to glass from the inside if adding an arch or other device to that area of the outside perimeter of the transom. It doesn't "sound" like adding a couple layers of glass would be that hard, but if the problem is overly thick gel coat, how would that help?
If overly thick gel coat, which reduces the flexibility of the gel coat, causes the cracking would the real answer be grind off the gel coat at the cracked surface and paint? Have you seen this done? Yes, as I explained in the paragraph just before where yo mentioned that you would take some more pictures in the morning. You can CAREFULLY machine sand almost all the gel coat off and then re-apply the correct thickness.
I'm thinking of putting a flexible sealant in the cracks where I'm getting some leakage. If you have cracks that are leaking inside the boat, you need to check the laminate with a spot lamp as I outlined to see where the laminate has failed. If the water is coming through where the mizzen back stays are, that is not a big problem. Be sure to clean the area completely before adding new sealant That will stop the leak and protect the fiberglass from UV.
Thanks for your input, You are welcome, Joel Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor
Sv Garulfo
Thanks all for the input. We are off the boat now and haven't made a decision yet. We need to work more numbers to see if it starts to make economic sense.
Regarding compatibility, our 54 is fitted with 2 matervolt chargers (100A and 40A) and the alternator is mastervolt too. The LiFePO4 offering from mastervolt says this is all compatible and just a matter of configuring the various components to work together. The concept of MasterBus is quite attractive too; an easy way to monitor the whole lot. Remaining questions are: 1. Capability to run the bow thruster safely from those batteries. (We are amel newbies and follow the rule to run the generator when using the bow thruster. Curious to hear your views on the one.) 2. starter battery. As Bill have said, its quality is about CCA. I understand lead is definitely better on that front, but is it advisable to mix types.... 3. The case of solar. We are keen to add solar panels. We have simpsons davitts and we are considering adding an arch on top of them to support the panels (seen something similar on the recently sold 54 "Bel Ami", if someone has a contact for them, that'd be great). Probably can fit 3 large ones there, so 700+ watts. Need to check if that makes sense. Ideally we would be self sufficient electricity wise and run the generator for watermaking only. 4. overall capacity. The mastervolt comes in 180Ah. So 2 or 3? I need to write a full list of consumption and work it out. Regarding access to support, it's a bit murkier. (The Symms seem to have negative view of Mastervolt but I've just come across them and I'll discount their views until I'm convinced of their integrity. Maybe they didn't get goodies from them and badmouth them as a result. The problem with funding one's lifestyle with 'reviews' and shoutouts.) I hope the generalisation of lithium batteries will make access to support more widely available. Mastervolt is rather global by the looks of it. Worse come to the worse, it's always possible to 'downgrade' back to lead. When I get to a conclusion I'll share the analysis that lead there. Obviously happy to hear more thoughts. Thomas Garulfo Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
amelforme
Hello Everybody. The way ‘auctions’ like this usually work is the entire boat is sold off to the highest outright bidder once any reserve/minimum acceptable amount has been surpassed. If the reserve is not met, sometimes the seller will agree to accept the highest bid received or often they don’t sell and offer it for purchase through brokers who specialize in selling troubled boats. I have never seen one offered for auction where it could be bought piecemeal .
I sold Ross the boat and it indeed was one of the last built. Ross did right by the boat and put a new Yanmar engine in the boat, re-rigged her with the guys I know and trust in Fort Lauderdale. The kind of damage the boat received is essentially unrepairable. Even if you could get ‘close’ to making the boat structurally complete, it could not be considered a safe and sound ocean voyager. It is truly a crying shame for the boat to die this way. Ross seems over the big part of the hurt and I am sure he will find his way back to the sea again. He will always be a member of our extended Amel family.
This boat would be ideal for someone with a Maramu with ‘good bones’ that needs a comprehensive rigging refit and a repower. Word to the wise, go see the boat before the auction if you think you could be interested!!
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 12:31 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
Ross,
What a tragic post to read, I am so sorry for your both your monetary and the loss of a vessel that must have been important to you.
My Maramu did not come with a seat at all. If there is any chance of purchasing or acquiring a seat it would be a big help to me. I would also be interested in the Mizzen rigging since I am close to placing an order.
Please put me on the list to keep updated. My email is Lokiyawl2 at aol.com
James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Ble bid is
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Re: Dessalator Fuses
Sounds like the solenoid
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Fuses
francesringley@...
As always, thanks x-BeBe Bill.
Ian Townsend X-Dessalator lover SM153 Loca Lola II George Town, Exuma |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dessalator Fuses
francesringley@...
Exactly. We do it with love! "This is going to hurt me more than it will you..."
Ian Townsend SM153 Loca Lola II George Town, Exuma |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Fuses
francesringley@...
Thanks Hanspeter.
Ian Townsend SM153 Loca Lola II George Town, Exuma |
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Re: Dessalator Fuses
francesringley@...
The test results are in! The envelope please...(no it's not La La Land):
Unit off: 24V between large terminal positive and motor negative. 24V between large positive and solenoid contact negative. No voltage between solenoid contact positive and motor negative Unit on: no voltage between solenoid contact positive and motor negative. 24V between large positive and solenoid contact negative. Based on above, I am starting with the assumption it's the solenoid right? As always, thanks mes amis and fellow Amelers. Ian Townsend SM153 Loca Lola II George Town, Exuma |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu for sale
sebastien aubouin <sfaubouin@...>
Could you let me know when you make it up to Chesapeake Bay area. Would love to check out Languedoc in person. I am interested in purchasing a used Amel. Thank you. Sebastien On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 4:09 PM, sail2live@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Super Maramu Logo toward stern
sailor63109@...
Is there a way to get the Super Maramu logo off? I've read several people have replaced the "detail tape" on the rub rail between the red portions, and that where the logo is. We're in the middle of repairs after our recent "meeting" with a Hans Christian and the fiberglass guy is planning on gel coating the entire stbd rub rail and replacing the detail tape. The logo is causing an issue. It appears to have studs on the back of the logo, but I don't feel any bolts on the inside. Has anyone gotten it off to replace the detail tape? If so how did you do it? Is the logo still available from Amel? Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Really sorry for your loss...
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We all put so much time, love and money in our vessel... I can feel your pain and frustration... Also thanks for warning all of us if ever Maramu #261 was ever offer for sale. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/17/17, rossny@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, March 17, 2017, 10:49 AM Maramu owners,Hello all, My Maramu was toasted at the dock on new years day when the two motorboats next to Eyes of the World burned. The burned area is on the port side where the main's chainplates are, the deck above and propane locker and windshield corner. The insurance company has totaled the boat and it will go to salvage. The shock and awe of the devastation and the self pity/self hate of being under insured is still lingering. Joel Potter was the first to give me the bad news that it was a gonner and although I have gotten estimates, they are all open ended until the hull is exposed to really examine and assess the full damage. The hull will never be as strong as original and I hope someone does not cosmetically repair and injure someone in the future when the rig fails. If you are looking for a bargain Maramu project boat then this is not the one! However if you want to update an older one then when this comes to salvage it may be good to add to your hull. The rigging was replaced 3 years ago and mast motors rebuilt, it was one of the last 48's built so all the latest was in it. The boat was rewired with all new 230v,120v and 12v panels and a new Yanmar 75 HP Turbo engine and trans.If anyone is interested let me know and I'll try to keep an eye on the salvage location or future auction for you as I hope these parts get a chance to go around the world as I intended them to. Keep Your Insurance Valuation Up To Date!!!!!! I will be in the market for a new replacement Maramu next year so let Joel know if you are intending to sell.I will continue to monitor this group even though I am now "between" Amels...thanks for reading.Best Regards,RossX- Eyes of the WorldMaramu #261rossny@... |
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Re: Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
Mohammad Shirloo
Sorry to hear about
your loss Ross. Wishing you the best and hoping that you end up in a newer and
hopefully better Amel soon.
Mohammad
and Aty
B&B
Kokomo
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
James Alton
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What a tragic post to read, I am so sorry for your both your monetary and the loss of a vessel that must have been important to you. My Maramu did not come with a seat at all. If there is any chance of purchasing or acquiring a seat it would be a big help to me. I would also be interested in the Mizzen rigging since I am close to placing an order. Please put me on the list to keep updated. My email is Lokiyawl2 at aol.com James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Maramu 1989 #261 Fire Damage
rossny@mail.com
Maramu owners, Hello all, My Maramu was toasted at the dock on new years day when the two motorboats next to Eyes of the World burned. The burned area is on the port side where the main's chainplates are, the deck above and propane locker and windshield corner. The insurance company has totaled the boat and it will go to salvage. The shock and awe of the devastation and the self pity/self hate of being under insured is still lingering. Joel Potter was the first to give me the bad news that it was a gonner and although I have gotten estimates, they are all open ended until the hull is exposed to really examine and assess the full damage. The hull will never be as strong as original and I hope someone does not cosmetically repair and injure someone in the future when the rig fails. If you are looking for a bargain Maramu project boat then this is not the one! However if you want to update an older one then when this comes to salvage it may be good to add to your hull. The rigging was replaced 3 years ago and mast motors rebuilt, it was one of the last 48's built so all the latest was in it. The boat was rewired with all new 230v,120v and 12v panels and a new Yanmar 75 HP Turbo engine and trans. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll try to keep an eye on the salvage location or future auction for you as I hope these parts get a chance to go around the world as I intended them to. Keep Your Insurance Valuation Up To Date!!!!!! I will be in the market for a new replacement Maramu next year so let Joel know if you are intending to sell. I will continue to monitor this group even though I am now "between" Amels...thanks for reading. Best Regards, Ross X- Eyes of the World Maramu #261 rossny@... |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Membranes and O rings
What watermaker do you have, Eric? Kent Kristy SM243 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Amel 54 Information
amelforme
Hello Dean and your list of items for the Amel 54 COMFORT PLUS PACKAGE is essentially correct.
The standard generator was a three cylinder Onan 7 KW. The upgraded generator was a four cylinder Onan 9.5 KW during early production and an 11 KW from about middle production to the end. The 24 volt alternator was at first a 175 amp unit that would produce maybe 100 amps when hot. The later boats had a 110 amp alternator. The dual Racor 500 filters, on an easily switched manifold, also had a vacuum gauge to forewarn of filter contamination. The Comfort Plus Package 30 amp charger was optimized to keep the batteries happy when at a dock on continuous 220 volt power. The standard 100 amp charger was optimized to charge the batteries efficiently when using the Onan Generator. The high pressure freshwater pump supplied more volume and pressure making it more useful for washing the exterior.
As you may have noticed, I am also a yacht broker and was Amel’s sole associate for North America for 35 years. I owned, personally, three Amels including two 53’ Super Maramus and one Amel 54. I was also Amel’s technical liaison for North America during this time and enjoyed receiving extensive technical training every year during my many visits to the shipyard in La Rochelle. I know these boats extremely well.
If you are not a citizen of the European Community, I could make a pretty good argument for also considering purchasing an Amel boat in North America. If you are on an E.U. passport, I recommend that you form a relationship with Michel Charpentier who is both knowledgeable regarding Amel’s and an honest and ethical gentleman.
Good luck with your shopping and I would be pleased to have an opportunity to be of further service. If this is of any interest to you, please communicate by using my personal email below as we like to keep this site ‘noncommercial’ . I’m pushing the limits!
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell Jfpottercys’at’att.net
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi all, We are looking into the possible purchase of an Amel 54, preferably 2008-2010 model located in the Med. As I look at the various boats available the option of a "Comfort Pack" or a "Comfort Plus Pack" are sometimes noted. Do these options contain different things, or are they one and the same with different terminology?
I cannot find anything definitive from Amel, but heresay would seem to indicate that a "Comfort Plus Pack" contains the following:
- 4 additional batteries (giving a total of 13 batteries, 630 Ah @ 24 V), - 220V/24V @ 30A charger, - a dual Racor fuel filter with vacuum gauge, - a high pressure freshwater pump with cockpit hose, - 24V/110A alternator on the motor, - an "upgraded" diesel generator (whatever that means)
Is a "Comfort Pack" something less than this? I would really appreciate if someone could confirm or correct this information.
My current boat is a Beneteau 423 which has a fantastic owners forum on Yahoo Groups, so I was delighted to discover this Amel forum is also so active.
Thanks in anticipation. Dean AMEL 54 #TBD
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator Fuses
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Hanspeter and Ian, Memory sometimes fails with age. 😉 The secretary's name is Rosyne Castino wanadoo.fr>, and yes, she speaks English for all of us non-French speaking people. I am fairly sure about this. Best, Bill X-BeBe On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:29 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for Amel 54 Information
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Dean, Ask Joel Potter att.net> He will have exact answers for you. Bill X-BeBe On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:32 PM, dean@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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