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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

karkauai
 

If another boat has the amenities present on Amels, there will be the same kinds of problems, Chuck.  If an autopilot or reefer or AC fails, you're going to have to go thru the same troubleshooting, parts acquisition, and repairs.  Amels are French boats and are set up in European electrical style with 220v50Hz appliances and 24v motors, etc.  They can be a bit harder to source than 110v60Hz or 12vDC, but this forum is great for learning where others have sourced them.  The bonding system is significantly different from most other boats and electricians on this side of the pond won't understand it.  They'll want you to conform to ABYC standards, and if you aren't there while they're doing something, they'll hook it up by some method other than the Amel way.  That can lead to problems.

Some proprietary parts are only available from Amel and expensive, but they're worth it!

One of the really great things about Amels is this forum.  Kristy is my first sailboat and my first big boat.  I was totally clueless about how to troubleshoot or repair anything.  The folks here took me by the hand and very patiently walked me thru things step by step.  If it hadn't been for them I'd have given up after a few years.  Now, 8 years later, I've learned to find and repair most things that go wrong.  I can post a question here and get an answer in a few hours.  I spent a ton of money paying mechanics and electricians to learn my boat and try to teach me, only to find out later they really didn't "get" Amels.  In retrospect, I'd have been better off flying in someone like Olivier to teach me and the electrician what and why.

If I can do it, anyone can.

As to the KISS principle, it's up to the individual to decide how important all the different amenities are.  I would find it difficult to be living aboard a boat without them.  The only thing I don't use regularly is the dishwasher.

Kent
Kristy
SM243


On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:28 PM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you for the warm welcome Kent,

I have been lurking for quite some time and have enjoyed the interactions (from afar). I have also followed a few blogs from members here. I guess the first question is: Is this type of yacht too complicated with too many intricate systems to manage. Are Amels anymore more complicated than any other comparable yacht with similar features. I have read for years of the KISS principle and agree but that also conflicts with my other want and that is to sail and liveaboard in somewhat safety and comfort. This boats checks almost all the boxes (I do have a spreadsheet and there are boxes).


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thank you for the warm welcome Kent,
I have been lurking for quite some time and have enjoyed the interactions (from afar). I have also followed a few blogs from members here. I guess the first question is: Is this type of yacht too complicated with too many intricate systems to manage. Are Amels anymore more complicated than any other comparable yacht with similar features. I have read for years of the KISS principle and agree but that also conflicts with my other want and that is to sail and liveaboard in somewhat safety and comfort. This boats checks almost all the boxes (I do have a spreadsheet and there are boxes).


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

karkauai
 

Welcome aboard Chuck and Kim!
You will find this forum a great resource for all the inevitable questions before and after you purchase your dream boat.  If you haven't already, take some time and browse the conversations, photos and files sections.  You will start to get a sense of some of the common issues and how to avoid/troubleshoot/repair them.  Search conversations for Bill Rouse BeBe, Danny Ocean Pearl, and Alexandre NIKIMAT  (there are many many others who contribute greatly, but you have to start somewhere) for great discussions and detailed descriptions and pics of how to do many maintenance an repair jobs.

What model are you most interested in?  When do you hope/plan to slip the dock lines?

Be especially careful of boats that have significant modifications from the original Amel design.  And especially the electrical systems.  The design varies from what most boats have, and changing it can have serious consequences.

Get a surveyor who is thoroughly familiar with Amels when the time comes.  There are some recent discussions about this with recommendations for Amel surveyors.

Again, welcome and best of luck in your search!


Kent
Kristy
SM243


On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:03 PM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year,

I am new to the group and not yet an Amel owner. My wife and I love the Amels and hopefully will own one this year. I believe I have paid my dues as a husband, father, uncle, son and corporate man and have left everyone happy in my wake. I am retiring a bit early (in society's eyes) and hope to spend many years with my wife of 30 years exploring this big wonderful world. I am sitting at work now in a snow storm doing a bit of day dreaming. Oh well back at! Take care to all, be safe and enjoy your day.

Chuck & Kim
Stuck in Utah
Dreaming



Introduction from Utah

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All and Happy New Year,
I am new to the group and not yet an Amel owner. My wife and I love the Amels and hopefully will own one this year. I believe I have paid my dues as a husband, father, uncle, son and corporate man and have left everyone happy in my wake. I am retiring a bit early (in society's eyes) and hope to spend many years with my wife of 30 years exploring this big wonderful world. I am sitting at work now in a snow storm doing a bit of day dreaming. Oh well back at! Take care to all, be safe and enjoy your day.

Chuck & Kim
Stuck in Utah
Dreaming



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

Mark Pitt
 

Jeff,

   I cannot seem to reach you on the phone.  Call me at 561-742-9466 or email Mark_Pitt at brown.edu.

   Mark


On 1/11/2017 9:52 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Mark,
I'll give you a call Thursday morning.
Regards,
Jeff

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 09:00 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff and Duane,

  My wife and I are nearby in Boynton Beach and we would love to get together.

  Mark and Laura Pitt

  Sabbatical III, SM #419, boat in Carloforte, Italy

On 1/10/2017 8:36 PM, jmkraus jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Thursday is fine. Give me a call on my cell 5169830094 and we'll coordinate plans



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

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Date: 1/10/17 6:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

 

Hi Jeff,


We're anchored between the Flagler and Royal Park Bridges, we'd love to get together with you!  How about Thursday?

You can reach us at 314-280-3757

Duane & Peg Siegfried
Wanderer, SM  #477



Re: low rpm, AutoProp re pitching, AutoProp fro Sale

karkauai
 

Hi Vlad,
When I checked on having my Autoprop repitched, I was told that mine had been replaced with a different model and couldn't be repitched.  As I remember, at that time they weren't actually repitching the blades, they were selling new blades for your existing hub.

Please see post #6008 from Nov 11, 2009 of mine and the associated thread addressing the low rpm issue.  The only thing I didn't do was to rebuild the AutoProp, because all mechanics agreed that the blades spun freely and without any wobble.  Since then others here have said that the same low rpm problem was solved by rebuilding the Autoprop even though the blades seemed to be spinning freely.  If you haven't done that yet, I'd do that before I did anything else.

Amel told me that they used the same AutoProp on the SM with either the 78HP Volvo and the 100HP Yanmar.  That is a 22-28% difference in HP (depending on how you calculate it), a significant difference to be using the same prop.  I can tell you that in my case, when I repitched the fixed prop, and then purchased a new MaxProp, my Volvo got the appropriate 3000-3199 rpm under load.  I still have the repitched fixed prop if you want to try it before you spend any more money.  I'll be in Panama, Costa Rica, and Belize for most of 2017.

I still have my old Autoprop if anyone wants it.  It was original with the 78HP Volvo.  It needs a rebuild kit.  I would sell it for a very good price.

Kent
Kristy
SM 243
Currently  Caribbean Panama

On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As I stated above in this thread, I also have low engine RPM. It was 2500 RPM maximum when I bought my boat. I have 75 HP YANMAR with transmission 2.8:1 ratio. I contacted US Autoprop representative. He forward my question to the factory. See below their reply.  I copied and pasted it below.


"As far as I am aware Amel have not advised us about using Yanmar engine so this prop was never set up for this engine. Our records show that they only used Perkins or Volvo so it is not surprising that the pitch is out. Probably never right from day one. Say that however, it should not be too far off the mark in terms of engine loading. My best guess is that if the turbo is not working this is the reason for the low maximum rpm and not because the prop is holding it down."

My boat is on the hard now. I plan to check torbo when boat is in the water. I will conduct some other tests. If I could not resolve the problem I will remove the prop and send it to US Autoprop representative for a pitch change.

Vladimir
SM#345 "LIFE IS GOOD"



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar 75HP - Cannot go over 2300 RPM

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Vladimir
Since Island Pearl II is the same 75hp Yanmar engine, same gearbox, and the original Amel supplied autoprop, and it easily does 3300 - 3500 when clean, I think you will find it is the turbo, not a need to re-pitch the autoprop. Good luck with it though. Hope you don't need to re-pitch that really nice prop.
Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As I stated above in this thread, I also have low engine RPM. It was 2500 RPM maximum when I bought my boat. I have 75 HP YANMAR with transmission 2.8:1 ratio. I contacted US Autoprop representative. He forward my question to the factory. See below their reply.  I copied and pasted it below.


"As far as I am aware Amel have not advised us about using Yanmar engine so this prop was never set up for this engine. Our records show that they only used Perkins or Volvo so it is not surprising that the pitch is out. Probably never right from day one. Say that however, it should not be too far off the mark in terms of engine loading. My best guess is that if the turbo is not working this is the reason for the low maximum rpm and not because the prop is holding it down."

My boat is on the hard now. I plan to check torbo when boat is in the water. I will conduct some other tests. If I could not resolve the problem I will remove the prop and send it to US Autoprop representative for a pitch change.

Vladimir
SM#345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Jan 11, 2017 7:16 AM, "David Pawley pawleyd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Its possible there are 2 types of injectors for the same engine, one set for derated. The difference would be seen in the nozzle hole Dia. Have you still got the old injectors!. Visual examination should be adequate but better to use nozzle cleaners. I have no idea if Yanmar have derated injectors, but other large bore engine manufacturers certainly have.


On 11 January 2017 at 16:34, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Dom,

The autoprop rebuild is not difficult just tedious and takes the  good part of a day.

If you Contact AB the bruton distributor in the USA they will sell you the bearings needed and rent you the special tools needed for the rebuild at a nominal price.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar 75HP - Cannot go over 2300 RPM

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

As I stated above in this thread, I also have low engine RPM. It was 2500 RPM maximum when I bought my boat. I have 75 HP YANMAR with transmission 2.8:1 ratio. I contacted US Autoprop representative. He forward my question to the factory. See below their reply.  I copied and pasted it below.


"As far as I am aware Amel have not advised us about using Yanmar engine so this prop was never set up for this engine. Our records show that they only used Perkins or Volvo so it is not surprising that the pitch is out. Probably never right from day one. Say that however, it should not be too far off the mark in terms of engine loading. My best guess is that if the turbo is not working this is the reason for the low maximum rpm and not because the prop is holding it down."

My boat is on the hard now. I plan to check torbo when boat is in the water. I will conduct some other tests. If I could not resolve the problem I will remove the prop and send it to US Autoprop representative for a pitch change.

Vladimir
SM#345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Jan 11, 2017 7:16 AM, "David Pawley pawleyd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Its possible there are 2 types of injectors for the same engine, one set for derated. The difference would be seen in the nozzle hole Dia. Have you still got the old injectors!. Visual examination should be adequate but better to use nozzle cleaners. I have no idea if Yanmar have derated injectors, but other large bore engine manufacturers certainly have.


On 11 January 2017 at 16:34, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Dom,

The autoprop rebuild is not difficult just tedious and takes the  good part of a day.

If you Contact AB the bruton distributor in the USA they will sell you the bearings needed and rent you the special tools needed for the rebuild at a nominal price.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 



Mark and Laura Pitt

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

I didn't see a number to contact you.

Please give me a call on my son's phone 6312768441 and we'll plan for later.

I look forward to meeting you folks, along with Duane and Peg, who I will call this morning (in case you see this email)


Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: SAMS certification?

dbv_au@...
 

Hi Porter, and others,

If there is an AMEL-savvy surveyor going to be in the SE Caribbean in February, then we would be interested to share/contribute to costs.

We anticipate the need for a few weeks of routine post-purchase maintenance (e.g., iron keel, engine room hoses & pipes, S/W pumps & heads) and perhaps some small works to re-instate some equipment and systems back to a closer-to-AMEL than is currently the case.  That would be the intent for having Dave/Olivier or whom-ever come and look over our 2003 SM, to inform our decisions re the size and priorities of the works program.

Time-frame: early/mid February; location: Martinique.  Can be flexible.

Looking forward to meeting you Porter, in a few weeks in Martinique.

Best,
David
Perigee, SM#396, Martinique


---In amelyachtowners@..., <portermcroberts@...> wrote
...
My wife and I are planning to go to Martinique from Feb 9-12. 
I'd be happy to see how many would be willing to share in the Oliver "delivery costs"
...
Anyone in?  And then would he be available?

...

On Jan 8, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If you decide to use Olivier, I may be interested as well for an in the water survey in the Caribbean.  As I recall there were others who voiced interest as well - which would drive travel cost down.  For me, it all depends on when and where.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raw water manifold replacement

greatketch@...
 

Well, OK then.   I guess that ends that discusssion.


Re: mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

dbv_au@...
 

Hi All,

I second the advice to avoid going too much oversize.  Moonshot-now-Perigee was re-rigged prior to our purchase with oversize sheets for the Headsail/Genoa and, whilst this gives confidence for the big blow, they do not fit the self-tailers at all well, requiring care (and muscle) when wrapping the sheets, and a watchful eye and re-sheeting on occasion, otherwise resulting in slippages or once or twice losing hold completely.

I will be going down a size when it comes time to replace.

David
Perigee, SM#396, Martinique
(not on-board, so unable to give measurements


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St Maarten this week get together

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi James and Chloe,

Where are you located?

Kimberlite is at Simpson bay marina.

We should be on the boat after 3 Pm tomorrow.

Please text me at 1- 631-398-9990.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St Maarten this week get together

 

 

Hi,
We arrived in St. Martin yesterday and will be here until the 17th-18th. We'd love to meet more Armelians!

Cheers,
James & Chloé.
SeaBean
SM#344

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 01:44 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I will be on Kimberlite in St Maarten starting Thursday for a week. Would anyone like to join us for a drink?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furler/ headsail sheets

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar 75HP - Cannot go over 2300 RPM

David Pawley
 

Its possible there are 2 types of injectors for the same engine, one set for derated. The difference would be seen in the nozzle hole Dia. Have you still got the old injectors!. Visual examination should be adequate but better to use nozzle cleaners. I have no idea if Yanmar have derated injectors, but other large bore engine manufacturers certainly have.


On 11 January 2017 at 16:34, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dom,

The autoprop rebuild is not difficult just tedious and takes the  good part of a day.

If you Contact AB the bruton distributor in the USA they will sell you the bearings needed and rent you the special tools needed for the rebuild at a nominal price.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail

sailor63109@...
 

Thanks Mike.

Duane
Wanderer SM477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St Maarten this week get together

James Studdart
 

Hi,
We arrived in St. Martin yesterday and will be here until the 17th-18th. We'd love to meet more Armelians!

Cheers,
James & Chloé.
SeaBean
SM#344

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 01:44 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I will be on Kimberlite in St Maarten starting Thursday for a week. Would anyone like to join us for a drink?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


St Maarten this week get together

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

I will be on Kimberlite in St Maarten starting Thursday for a week. Would anyone like to join us for a drink?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376