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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacement faucets
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacement faucets
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Jeff, I found an identical galley faucet in the local (New Zealand) hardware/home supply company Mitre 10. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 3 February 2017 4:27 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacement faucets Good Morning Amelians! I need to replace my galley and head faucets. Has anyone done a switch before? If so, any recommendation on replacements, and advise on the job itself? Also, what is the best source for the rubber gasket stripping used on all lockers? General question: Has anyone experienced extensive flaking off of the black plastic film coating over the engine room heat/sound deafening material? I'm peeling a lot of mine off as it is an awful nuisance, and plan to put a sticky (stick on side) black duct tape over the soundproofing material to replace the peeling black film. Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14 |
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replacement faucets
JEFFREY KRAUS
Good Morning Amelians! I need to replace my galley and head faucets. Has anyone done a switch before? If so, any recommendation on replacements, and advise on the job itself? Also, what is the best source for the rubber gasket stripping used on all lockers? General question: Has anyone experienced extensive flaking off of the black plastic film coating over the engine room heat/sound deafening material? I'm peeling a lot of mine off as it is an awful nuisance, and plan to put a sticky (stick on side) black duct tape over the soundproofing material to replace the peeling black film. Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Motor Mount Replacement
James Alton
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My Maramu #220 also has the Perkins 4154. I was originally thinking of putting in a more modern engine with a smaller footprint, but after using the boat last year I was so happy with the engine and think now that I would like to stay with the original. The engine has 3,700 hours on it, doesn’t leak any oil, seems healthy so I think it could have thousands of hours left yet. Can you tell me what you did when you refurbished your engine? I would like to install a large case Alternator (or at least a HO alternator) ..if possible with a serpentine belt in the location once used by the mechanical refrigeration pump on the upper stb. side of the engine. Do you know whether this can be done? Thanks Oliver for the mount information! James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sardinia, Italy
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Re: Motor Mount Replacement
Andy Croney
Hi Dennis,
We have refurbished our old Perkins where by we had to remove the engine and then reinstall - all relatively easy due to the great design of an Amel. From our experience you should be able to get way with it . Good luck and all the best ! Andy Paladin #75 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?
David Vogel <dbv_au@...>
I would agree with Danny, that the AMEL is "the" boat - not that I could ever claim to be objective about it.
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When I was seeking info and advice whilst considering relocating our new purchase south from Newport to Martinique, I had many council me that I was crazy about even thinking about taking my first owned boat - and a 'big' 53ft one at that - oceanic; rather than day-trips hugging the coast and laying up in safe harbour overnight. I 'get it'. And advice not to go offshore for at least 12 months, becuase 'things break', and 'bad things happen', until you know the boat, well, I get that too. However, my thinking was that, if ever there is a boat in which to be doing such stuff, then the AMEL is the one to be doing it in. That's exactly why we bought this boat, so how could we now NOT have confidence in that decision? After 6 weeks doing full systems checks, laying in safety gear for "if things go horribly wrong" - new life raft, flares, EPRIB, we all know the score here - plus replacing the bodgy bits of kit (Dacron halyards, siezed turning blocks, incorrectly specc'd water pumps, and so on), retuning the rig to AMEL specs, updating COMMs gear and sundry other 'stuff', the shakedown to Annapolis could not find any reason (except my own nerves and confidence) why not to head on out to the deep blue. My decision to head on out considered, of course, equal counsel from those with vast expereince living abooard an AMEL (THANK YOU BILL R.) to '"trust your boat, she is designed exactly for this, and can handle more than you can". With able crew on-board, we encountered everything from 50+ hours motoring straight, to about 5 days of strong gales (35G42), seas steady 4-5m, a short time at 6+ and breaking, larger and steeper when encountering crossing wave-trains, and PERIGEE handled it all well within her capabilities. I did need to keep her reigned-in to keep the speed down into the 6.5 - 7.5kn range; she would easily and happily added 2 knots plus more surfing, but I was really trying to sail conservatively, despite the exhilaration of seeing 9s and above from time to time (with the boat moving comfortably, perhaps even more so, at the higher speeds). Nothing broke, except the printer and microwave (which were not properly secured - my bad - can't blame the design for that). This whole re-positioning trip validated everything I had come to hope for after a few years of study about AMELs, in comparison to all the other well-recommended bluewater cruisers out there. Now, with about 3 months on-board, and 2,500nm sailing our AMEL to date, I have absolutely no doubts that we did the right thing to take our time to save a little more, and look far and wide to find the right AMEL for us. This is even though we still have quite some work yet to be done to make her ready for prolonged remote-area cruising, and there may yet be some 'surpises' in store for us. Again, clearly I am not objective, but it is what it is. Hope this helps someone in their quest to find their boat, whether AMEL or not. Blue skies, David SV Perigee, SM#396, Martinique On Thursday, February 2, 2017, 05:02, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Motor Mount Replacement
Olivier Beaute
Good morning Dennis, if your engine mounts are original, you should consider replacing them all. Your drive train is not flexible. So, you need to disconnect it in order to replace the engine mounts. If you have a PERKINS 4154, you have probably the specific engine mounts designed and made by AMEL. These mounts are made of two square steel parts (one bolted into the timber supports bonded with the hull, the other one bolted through the engine steel cradle). These steel parts are probably not damaged but you need to get the rubber parts that are bolted into these parts. They are still available from AMEL. If one of the steel parts is broken, a good mechanic workshop/machine shop will be able to make a new one. Good luck Olivier On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:14 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" Hi Denis, I should think so, although I've not done it on a Maramu. You may even be able to do it without disconnecting the drive train, or even the other motor mounts, relying on the flex in the coupling and motor mounts to give you enough wiggle room to slip in the new mount. Although being the aft mount, closest to the drive coupling may not allow it. Seems worth a go and you can always disconnect anything that prevents doing so. Maybe Airops Dave or other Maramu owners can give you more precise input. Sounds like a fun project - enjoy! Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote : My 34 year old Perkins has lost a motor mount and I've never replaced one. I presume the engine has to be lifted. The motor mount is port side aft, can I get away with disconnecting the drive train and lifting just the rear? Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu #121 Currently in St. Barts |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Dave, good to see you up again. Cant agree though. We have progressed through monohulls from 26 ft to 30 ft to 42 ft and then 53 ft.. The Amel Super Maramu is by FAR the easiest to sail. Ask my wife. Yes we are very experienced but its not the experienced that makes it easy, its the comprehensive design. It was designed for a couple to sail around the world SAFELY and Amel did a superb job. As I age (I must eventually) there is no way Ill go down to a 40 footer, we own the easiest boat to sail..... on the planet, (in my opinion) Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "Dave Benjamin dave_benjamin@... [amelyachtowners]" To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 3:35 PM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice? Whew. What a debate. There are so many considerations which are not objective. Personally I prefer the motion of a monohull so I can't see going with the cat.. And I certainly don't trust some of the production cats the way I can an Amel. I got asked to help deliver a cat from La Paz to Puerto Rico with a good friend. I couldn't accept due to scheduling conflicts but on that delivery the furniture broke loose from the hull and things were a real mess. The captain was a guy I've sailed many miles with and trust implicitly. He's not the guy who pushes a boat too hard. I think what you may want to do is not buy a big cruising boat right off the bat. Get something smaller to learn about sailing and cruising. I'm thinking something along the lines of a 40' monohull. Don't take this the wrong way, but if you're wondering if you should buy an Amel 54 or a 50' catamaran, you may not be ready for either. |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
Thanks to all those who have contributed so far. It would be great to hear from others who sail single handed at times too about who they use. This discussion pretty much sums up what we were thinking, especially Bill's comment (and Alan's) about there potentially being some room for negotiation on certain clauses based on one's experience, history and the specific sailing zones covered. Naturally we would understand/support the logic for paying a higher excess for any claims whilst single handed as this is not our normal situation, but will sometimes be unavoidable. In going through our Panteanius PDS clauses in fine detail yesterday there were many very handy "extras" that would provide great peace of mind for sailing in the remote areas we intend to sail this year, (eg medical, and evacuation costs etc etc). We see them as the most widely recommended company internationally and since we have had 6 years of very good ongoing relations with Panteanius (both UK office and Australian office when it opened), we will be going back to their Sydney first to see what can be done in relation to the single handed clause, rates for all zones we will sail through, and to ensure we are not later on lumped with a new "anchored watch person" restriction. Since we are still a UK registered yacht we will also approach Y Yachts today to find out more on their product, as well as the NZ Broker "Bailey's". Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332 Brisbane On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?
Dave_Benjamin
Whew. What a debate. There are so many considerations which are not objective. Personally I prefer the motion of a monohull so I can't see going with the cat. And I certainly don't trust some of the production cats the way I can an Amel. I got asked to help deliver a cat from La Paz to Puerto Rico with a good friend. I couldn't accept due to scheduling conflicts but on that delivery the furniture broke loose from the hull and things were a real mess. The captain was a guy I've sailed many miles with and trust implicitly. He's not the guy who pushes a boat too hard. I think what you may want to do is not buy a big cruising boat right off the bat. Get something smaller to learn about sailing and cruising. I'm thinking something along the lines of a 40' monohull. Don't take this the wrong way, but if you're wondering if you should buy an Amel 54 or a 50' catamaran, you may not be ready for either. |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, I have been around for too long. I have insured things nautical and private and business for 40 plus years. I have had mostly good experiences with claims. Some excellent some good, and only two shockers. Both shockers were I think caused by the individual appointed by the insurers to asses the claim. If you don't like the look of the appointee, ask for another. However, if you are offered a policy with a Lloyds company called Haven Knox Johnson you will find the premiums cheap, but in my view you should consider very carefully before you insure with them Danny From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 9:49 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage?? Hi Colin, We go through a broker and the insurance eventually ends up with Lloyds. Very few restrictions....single handing was on the list and they came back with some stupid deal of only daytime and no more than 100nm. Well I went back to the broker and said come on that's ridiculous, where am I going to sail in the Pacific that fits that...he said, well tell me what you want...OK, for example Port Vila to Noumea...that's few hundred miles and a couple of overnights. He came back with OK agreed to that but your policy excess will double for single handing. Of course I've never had to make a claim on this policy but I must say the broker is always co-operative in finding solutions....I have known him a long time. I did investigate Pantaneus Australia some time ago, but they had some funny clauses I seem to remember and were quite expensive, but they had only just started then. As for rigging, my insurance doesn't have a 10 year requirement, but I had all the standing rigging replaced last year as it was 12 years old....didn't show any signs of fatigue, but, as a precaution I did it any way. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Motor Mount Replacement
Hi Denis,
I should think so, although I've not done it on a Maramu. You may even be able to do it without disconnecting the drive train, or even the other motor mounts, relying on the flex in the coupling and motor mounts to give you enough wiggle room to slip in the new mount. Although being the aft mount, closest to the drive coupling may not allow it. Seems worth a go and you can always disconnect anything that prevents doing so. Maybe Airops Dave or other Maramu owners can give you more precise input. Sounds like a fun project - enjoy! Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sbmesasailor@...> wrote : My 34 year old Perkins has lost a motor mount and I've never replaced one. I presume the engine has to be lifted. The motor mount is port side aft, can I get away with disconnecting the drive train and lifting just the rear? Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu #121 Currently in St. Barts |
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Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
Hi Colin,
We go through a broker and the insurance eventually ends up with Lloyds. Very few restrictions....single handing was on the list and they came back with some stupid deal of only daytime and no more than 100nm. Well I went back to the broker and said come on that's ridiculous, where am I going to sail in the Pacific that fits that...he said, well tell me what you want...OK, for example Port Vila to Noumea...that's few hundred miles and a couple of overnights. He came back with OK agreed to that but your policy excess will double for single handing. Of course I've never had to make a claim on this policy but I must say the broker is always co-operative in finding solutions....I have known him a long time. I did investigate Pantaneus Australia some time ago, but they had some funny clauses I seem to remember and were quite expensive, but they had only just started then. As for rigging, my insurance doesn't have a 10 year requirement, but I had all the standing rigging replaced last year as it was 12 years old....didn't show any signs of fatigue, but, as a precaution I did it any way. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?
David Vogel <dbv_au@...>
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Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono. We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve. Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat. So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand. Low risk way to check it out. We concluded, as others have reported: CAT = - hobby-horsing - noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem - could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail - relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . . ) Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering. Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types). For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong. Having decided this, then the option for us was clear. Mono. And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks). = Ketch. And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy. Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made. As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision. We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so. Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back. That is our story. I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice. But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same. My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this. When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time. Hope this helps you in your quest, Blue skies, David Novice Boat Owner PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Well said Bill Danny From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage?? Colin, A suggestion about insurance: Be very careful about applying anecdotal information from other people about policy provisions and costs. It is a VERY localized business because of very different local regulations, and also VERY dependent on the individual provisions of the policy. This is one area you can not short circuit doing your own work shopping your exact situation. Just by way of example: We have a policy with Pantaenius America specifically written for long distance cruising. We have no single-hand sailing restriction, and we pay about half what other people have quoted as "the cost" of a Pantaenius policy. Maybe that is because our boat is older and less valuable, maybe because we were careful about what we chose as our cruising region, or maybe because of our sailing experience and background, maybe all three. I know that if we insisted on coverage in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, our policy would be much more expensive. We don't want to be in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, so it is nice to have the option to NOT pay for that coverage. Certainly any policy that had a restriction to constantly being manned at anchor would immediately be off our list. That is written by a company who either does not understand a cruising sailboat, or does not want that business, or is trying to weasel out of claims, or (my bet!) all of the above. In any case, that is not somebody I want to do business with. Finally, don't take a policy "as-written." If there are things that are unacceptable to you, go back to the broker and talk about them. You'll find some of these things are negotiable, sometimes for a price, sometimes just for asking. Bill Kinney SM#160 Harmonie Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
David Vogel <dbv_au@...>
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I shopped around when pre-insuring PERIGEE. There were a few 'hems and haws' from various brokers - I went as direct as I could. It boiled down to two however, Pantaenius USA or AUST. When it came to the crunch, the USA policy documents (and general approach) did not recognise my prior nautical experience and RYA certifications. For example, requiring a training skipper for an indeterminate amount of time, sign-off, and so on. The folks at Pant's AUST however did take this into account, noting however the Hurricane Window for the Caribbean and 'no single handing >100nm or at night' provisos. I can easily live with these, as this is not my intended modus operandi in any case. Then, when I engaged paid crew to assit me on the leg Norfolk-Martinique (profi skipper, to act as FIrst Mate to support me in the oceanic leg south) Pantaenius AUST was quick on the uptake on the change of plans when I needed to change crewing arrangements, understanding why without qualm, and then rapidly assessed the CVs of the paid crew so that could engage these good guys without delay. This happened without an increase in premium. Great flexibility, and speed to respond. The prices between USA and AUST were ball-park comparable. USA was, in my eye, overly legalistic. AUST 'common sense' wording. As an aside, I was expecting to need to replace the standing rigging almost immediately. But - for my own piece of mind only - I got a rigging survey, and it came out very well - Moonshot had been lightly used, and on the hard for >50% of the recent years (with spars taken down over winter, some winters). As a courtesy, expecting nothing, I submitted the rigging report to Pantaenius AUST, and they - unasked - extended the 10 year provision accordingly. Thus giving me some flexibility and breathing space to choose the place and time of the inevitable replacement before the Trans-ATL or Trans-PAC crossing, or 'on condition '. I will in any case do my own inspections at least every 6 months and before offshore/ocean work, and pay for a professional inspection annually, at least until I understand what I am seeing with an owner-skipper's eye. I keep the insurer appraised of my sailing plans, and of the general state of what is going on. Perhaps, but perhaps not, this is paying dividends in the relationship as for the latitude being offered for favourable interpretations - I actively maintain dialogue, and take the 'suggestions' of the insurer seriously. The message is that that I treat the insurer as an involved stake-holder, rather than 'you'll only hear from me when things go / have gone wrong' and, thus far, it is working out for me, that is, with the Aussie agents anyway. On the basis of my limited experience - admittedly, like others, with out a claim yet made, and hopefully never needing to do so - I would heartily recommend investigating Pantaenius Australia for anyone weighing the various options for cruising insurance. Happy to provide relevant contact details via PM/eM (eMail). Blue skies, David PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 18:22, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
We had an issue with our insurance last fall. PANTAENIUS did not renewed our insurance as our standing rigg was older than 10 years. We asked several insurance companies and ended up with Y Yacht in England. Wery swift reply. Very competitive price and the fine print looked good to us. Have not had any claim yet, its first then you know if you picked the right insurance company or not. Some English cruisers we meet said they where good to deal with
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Where to Lay up (US East coast)
I just asked a girlfriend from St Michaels. She says best prices are going to be south end of the bay west side. Matthews, James River, Reedville ( smells bad from menhaden processing plant), Mobjack Bay. Google marinas those areas and if you find something that looks good, ask specifically. Kent SM 243 Kristy |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)
Hi Paul. I had my boat in Deltaville Marina for 4 years May-Nov. It's not the cheapest place but they are very Amel savvy and your boat will be safe. The entrance is a little tricky, but they'll come lead you in the first time if you need help. The boat yard is, again, very good and Amel savvy. There are many others on the Chesapeake, but if I leave my boat up there again, that's likely where I'd leave it. Kent Kristy SM 243 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
Stephen Davis
All very good advice. We also have Pantaenius America, and for the first couple of years we're required to be at a Lattitude just north of Jacksonville, Florida by 15 July. Some policy's require you be north of Cape Hatteras by 1 June, and we thought the Pantaenius America policy to be fairly generous. Our policy cost with a hull value of $285k was about $2400.
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We have now been in the Caribbean for over a year, and have just renewed our policy for $4100 without the previously mentioned geographic restrictions. We also lowered the hull value to $225k which is closer to the market value of the boat on today's market, and that saved us about $1300. When we renew next year, it will be for coverage through the Panama Canal, and to the South Pacific. I expect the premium will increase again with that coverage, but don't know yet. We have thought of self insuring, but are not at a point where the premium has increased enough to warrant that. Having owned 7 boats over a period of 32 years, and never having made an insurance claim, it is a bit frustrating to keep paying so much money for insurance. With that said, we have been happy with the service provided by Pantaenius America, and Scott Stusek, our broker in Annapolis. Steve Davis Aloha SM 72 Guadeloupe On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:03, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: |
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