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Water heater and fresh water pump.
Hi Mohammad,
Below are photos of the water heater and fresh water pump. My auto pilot is Raymarine electric drive motor, carry a complete spare of this system. I changed the heater element and put a new bladder in the fresh water pump tank. My pump was cycling on and off every few seconds. Still setting the pressures on this fresh water pump. Best Regards Barry & Penelope AMEL 54. #17 'Lady Penelope II' Marina di Ragusa Sicily
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery replacment in the U.S.
James Alton
Alex,
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I have been able to buy the metric case Sonnenschiens from Fort Lauderdale Battery and Alternator, so maybe give them a try. On a side note, I am working on a boat that had the US made Prevailer (SONNENSCHIEN) gel batteries installed as a house bank of three on Jan. 8th of 1996 according to the note written on top of the batteries. As far as I know the batteries have not been touched since the original installation. I have not yet done a full test but the batteries still seem serviceable and charge and function normally. I have some of the German made SONNENSCHIEN gel batteries in my own boat in NS that are still great and are approaching 20 years. No gassing issues and these batteries are rated safe even for air transport. I am hoping that the Exides will be as good since I will be putting them in Sueno. Rated capacity is lower and the initial cost is higher but I really like the reliability and how clean these batteries are (no leakage). The chemistry is different for gels in that they usually use phosphoric acid rather than sulphur which apparently is the main reason for the long life. Some use a phosphoric/sulphur mix to boost capacity but at the expense of life expectancy. Best, James Alton A/V Sueno, Maramu #220 Arcata, Italy Sent from my Galaxy S®III
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> </div><div>Date:12/13/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: amelyachtowners@... </div><div>Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery replacment in the U.S. </div><div>
</div>I’m trying to find a housing battery replacement for my existing Sonnenschein 6V 200AH, AGM’s Their dimension is 24,5x,24,5X19cm (9,65x9,65x7,5 inches). Exide Technologies (Sonnenschein) don’t sell that model in the U.S., so I can’t replace 1:+1. Talking to a local battery store here in Stuart, they said that all U.S. sold batteries have different dimensions. They suggest to go for a model with slightly bigger dimensions, but unfortunately they are to big for my compartment and my current battery configuration. (4 blocks serial connection 4x6V = 24V, total of 16 batteries). Can any of you confirm that it won't be possible to find a battery in the dimension I need in the U.S.? Appreciate any advice on how to deal with this situation. Alex Ramseyer AMEL54 no15, NO STRESS currently Stuart, FLA Posted by: Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (1)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery replacment in the U.S.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Alex, I am 99% sure that your Amel 54 has a battery box with the same dimensions as a Super Maramu battery box. Your Amel came with what is referred to as GP31 or Group 31 batteries. There were most likely 1 starting battery and 12 house batteries. They were either lead acid sealed Freedom style batteries or calcium acid seal Freedom style batteries. They were either 105 or 110 amps each. This will fit and are available in the US. Let me know if you would like a photo of the layout. Bill Rouse
On Dec 13, 2016 11:02 AM, "Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water heater AMEL 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Thanks every one for the responses.
In order to avoid further water heater issues, i.e. heat exchanger, water tank leaks etc., My plan is to change out the water heater completely. Does any one see any downsides to the replacement other than cost? Barry, I would appreciate any photos you may have. Where are your auto pilot pumps and oil reservoirs mounted? Mohammad and Aty AMEL 54 #099 B&B Kokomo
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water heater AMEL 54
Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
I agree - it is an easy DIY job. I replaced mine in 2013 and the boat was first launched in 2008. Oddly, the old element worked fine with the generator, but popped the 230V breaker when connected to shore power. I was told this was because it was on earthed then. Whatever, I too now carry a spare...... Regards, Tony Robinson (Catriona R - Amel 54 #102). From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water heater AMEL 54 Hi Mohammad and Aty, We replaced our heating element after we purchased in May 2015. The element had blown some time before we bought, this was not picked up on the survey. A mess inside but easy to clean out. It was easy to replace having been invoked with water heated stainless steel tanks in previous business. Got 2 stainless steel heating elements from a marine chandlers, about $40 each I carry a spare now. Did not have to remove the complete water heater unit to replace the element. Took my time but still done in less than one hour. I don't have any hydraulic pumps on top of the water heater. Do you need a photo? It is an easy DIY job. Best Regards Barry & Penelope AMEL 54. #17 'Lady Penelope II' Marina di Ragusa Sicily
On Dec 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Battery replacment in the U.S.
Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
I’m trying
to find a housing battery replacement for my existing Sonnenschein 6V 200AH,
AGM’s
Their
dimension is 24,5x,24,5X19cm (9,65x9,65x7,5 inches). Exide Technologies (Sonnenschein) don’t sell that model in the U.S., so I can’t replace 1:+1.
Talking to
a local battery store here in Stuart, they said that all U.S. sold batteries have
different dimensions. They suggest to go for
a model with slightly bigger dimensions, but unfortunately they are to big for my
compartment and my current battery configuration. (4 blocks serial connection
4x6V = 24V, total of 16 batteries).
Can any of you confirm that it won't be possible to find a battery in the dimension I need in the U.S.? Appreciate
any advice on how to deal with this situation. Alex Ramseyer AMEL54 no15, NO STRESS currently Stuart, FLA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water heater AMEL 54
Hi Mohammad and Aty, We replaced our heating element after we purchased in May 2015. The element had blown some time before we bought, this was not picked up on the survey. A mess inside but easy to clean out. It was easy to replace having been invoked with water heated stainless steel tanks in previous business. Got 2 stainless steel heating elements from a marine chandlers, about $40 each I carry a spare now. Did not have to remove the complete water heater unit to replace the element. Took my time but still done in less than one hour. I don't have any hydraulic pumps on top of the water heater. Do you need a photo? It is an easy DIY job. Best Regards Barry & Penelope AMEL 54. #17 'Lady Penelope II' Marina di Ragusa Sicily
On Dec 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Water heater AMEL 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi everyone; I had been following all the interesting conversations about the water heater longevity, failures and subsequent issues caused by the failures. SInce ours has just hit the 8 year timeline, I had decided to replace ours at the next haul out date this year, prior to any failures which is in line with our philosophy about all of maintenance issues.. A couple of nights ago while plugged into shore power, I noticed that the power was out. The main breaker at the shore power pedestal at the harbor had popped. After resetting everything seemed to work OK. We only turn on the water heater breaker about once a day or when we notice water temperature in the faucet getting low. The next time I tried turning on the water heater, It popped the breaker again. For now it seems intermittent. My questions are: 1. It would appear that we may have the pin hole in the heating element that every one has been experiencing. Is this the most likely cause or could something else also cause this event? 2. We have ordered a new water heater which is the standard 40 liter 750W Isotemp with exact same part number. Has any one replaced theirs and can indicate any particular issues with the replacement. It appears fairly straight forward but sometimes things appear simpler before you dive in. The hydraulic reservoirs and pumps for the auto pilots are mounted on the water heater. Can these simply be supported by some other means while the water heater is removed and replaced or do the hydraulic lines need to be disconnected to physically move the water heater out? Any other thoughts and input would be welcome. Mohammad and Aty Amel 54 #098 B&B Kokomo
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
I've not had to work on my Climma heater, but with other heating elements you can check resistance (Ohms) through the element. If out of spec that would indicate you have a bad element. You may be able to do this without removing it from the unit. I would follow BeBe Bill's advice first. Kent SM243 Kristy Kent Robertson Kristy SM243
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Gerhard, Those old capacitors were out of tolerance enough to slow the fan down. I am surprised that this did not solve your problem. There is an exposed micro-switch on the metal frame of the heating element. The switch is normally closed, but when the heating element is TURNED ON, a spring on this switch gets hot, expands and forces the switch OPEN and OFF. This switch turns OFF one of the relays in the control box. This frame-mounted switch will OPEN and OFF when the fan is running too slow. The switch is for safety so that the heating element does not get too hot. It is possible that there are 1 of 3 issues: 2.) The switch is working but the relay is not. If you replace the relay from Climma, please photo which relay it is. 3.) The heating element is bad (I do not think it is this). So, if I were you, I would remove the toilet. Be sure to use a lot of penetrating oil on the 3 bolts. The bolt on the front of mine was very difficult. I finally got it to move a few degrees and with some back and forth turning and a lot of penetrating oil got it out. Other owners have broken this bolt, had to drill it out and re-tap the threads. Once the toilet is out of the way, you can begin. Be very careful of the condensation drain pipe and the plastic drain pan that is under the evaporator. This plastic pan is easily cracked or broken. Climma has no more and if you break yours, you will be forced to fabricate one. So when removing the drain hose do not pull hard and break the pan! Remove the drain hose, the large air duct hose, the filter, and cut the plastic ties holding the temperature probe in front of the evaporator. Next remove the 4 stainless steel clamps and screws that hold the unit down on the piece of plywood. One of them will be in the back and hard to get to. When reassembling, locate it elsewhere. Remove the control box using the Amel thumb nut which is on the topside of the shelf that the control box is under. You may have to cut the plastic tie holding together the wires. At this point you should be able to slide the entire unit out and far enough to remove the blower and get to the heating element. If not, you will have to disconnect each of the wires going to the control box, and the two water hoses (you will need 2 plugs and do not turn on air conditioning with these disconnected and plugged). Bill Rouse
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
Hi Bill, I'm afraid you might lose that bottle of wine. I've changed the capacitors, they were out of tolerance and the 2 mf's were reading 1.6 and the 3.15 mf was reading 2.5. So I changed them with new ones, checked them, they have the correct reading but unfortunately I'm still only getting cold air. Any idea what else I can check? I will try to take the heater unit out without removing the toilet and leaving the unit in its place. Do you think that will work? Many thanks. Gerhard Hoffmann SY Pepino 381 Evia, Greece
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hot Water Heater Failure
FYI we fitted a new Quick 40L hot water system this past week. These have a temp setting as mentioned here and in addition, the ones approved for supply in Australia, had to be adapted with a mixing bypass pipe and valve system added on as well just as Bill describes. Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332 Brisbane
On 13 Dec 2016, at 7:33 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
Thomas Peacock
We just had problems with our Climma, but on the AC side, not the heating.
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I agree that the capacitors may be to blame, but I would also check the relays. I believe one of the three relays controls the heating unit. You can hot-wire bypass it for testing purposes. Tom Peacock SM #240 Aletes Saint Augustine, Florida
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Re: Fresh water accumulator
ya_fohi
Thanks you all for providing lots of information. I will try these and get back with the results.
Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hot Water Heater Failure
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
I assume (but do not know) that the standard Amel heavy rubber hoses are good for at least 80C. They specified extra good stuff everywhere. That assumes no other type of hose has been added, or changed out on your boat in its lifetime. The standard polyester fiber reinforced clear PVC hose that most boasts are built with has a max rating of 150F (65C).
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The real problem in my mind is that 80C water can come out of a faucet. That would worry me. If that doesn’t concern you, then set it for what ever temperature makes you happy! Just for reference, the standard setting for domestic hot water in the USA is about 125F (52C).
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hot Water Heater Failure
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Bill & Bill,
OK... so if 80 °C is too much for the hoses, what is the recommended temp setting? On Quick water heaters, the thermostat allows a range which I believe starts at 40°. I have ours set at 80°. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K #350 Venice
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hot Water Heater Failure
James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
Bill, good point. The excessive heat is likely the reason the primary gasket carbonized when my water heater dumped. Jamie Wendell s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044 On Monday, December 12, 2016 5:08 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: My suggestion (and it is worth exactly what you paid for it) is no matter if it came with a tempering valve from the factory or not, it should have one. 80C water is not good for most flexible hoses and NEVER for possible contact with people. Tempering valves are an easy addition and are used on many household hot water systems. They are readily available from plumbing supply houses and are easy to plumb into an older tank. The "basic" model of the Isotherm is still available with out the tempering valve. The standard Isotherm thermostat is not adjustable, it is set at 75C (167F). That's REALLY hot coming out of the tap. Bill Kinney On Dec 12, 2016, at 15:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hot Water Heater Failure
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
My suggestion (and it is worth exactly what you paid for it) is no matter if it came with a tempering valve from the factory or not, it should have one. 80C water is not good for most flexible hoses and NEVER for possible contact with people. Tempering valves are an easy addition and are used on many household hot water systems. They are readily available from plumbing supply houses and are easy to plumb into an older tank. The "basic" model of the Isotherm is still available with out the tempering valve. The standard Isotherm thermostat is not adjustable, it is set at 75C (167F). That's REALLY hot coming out of the tap. Bill Kinney On Dec 12, 2016, at 15:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Oh, and if you have to remove and replace the heating unit, it is best to remove the toilet first. You will find the wiring and water hoses ling enough to move the Climma unit to where the toilet was and work on it there. But, I will bet you a bottle of wine that the capacitors solve your problem. Bill Rouse
On Dec 12, 2016 2:36 PM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heater
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Gerhard, I strongly suggest something else! That Climma unit has a fail-safe switch which will keep the heating unit from turning on if the fan speed is too low. In fact Climma states do not operate the heater on LOW fan speed. I suggest that your fan speed has slowed because the 3 fan capacitors are out of tolerance. Tell Climma I told you this and order a set of capacitors from them. It will be less than 50 euro for all 3 or you might find a shop selling capacitors and can buy all 3 for less than 20 euro. Be sure to note that two of the three are identical but one is different. I have suggested the exact thing to 5 Amel SM Owners. They all said that they had not noticed the slow-down of fan speed. The capacitors solved their problem. You will save a lot of money if you try what I suggest first. And you will need those capacitors sooner than later if it is the heating unit. Bill Rouse
On Dec 12, 2016 2:36 PM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
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