Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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You are correct, they are the same: They are “24 Volt” fan purposely running on 12 Volt. http://nikimat.com/engine_room_fans.html I found some spare on eBay in the US when I was in Puerto Rico. For your information the Jabsco 35440-0010 in the engine room will last 1000 hours (if they were getting 24 volt). You can also get for not much more the Jabsco 35770-0094 (will last 5000 hours) Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/31/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage. To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 10:58 AM We have just arrived in Guadeloupe, and will attempt to find a replacement for the engine room exhaust fan which recently died of old age. I seem to remember both the exhaust and intake fans are 24 volt units operating on 12 volts on the engine circuit. Can anyone confirm this before I go and spend a lot of money on the wrong voltage of fan? Thanks for your help. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
Stephen Davis
Thanks Robin...exactly what I needed to know. Steve Aloha SM72 On Jan 31, 2017, at 13:07, robin6658@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
absolutely correct - Imhad to change mine recently and it is a 24V fan on a 12 V line - wired like this it will last much longer and there is more than enough airflow wired like this.
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Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
Stephen Davis
We have just arrived in Guadeloupe, and will attempt to find a replacement for the engine room exhaust fan which recently died of old age. I seem to remember both the exhaust and intake fans are 24 volt units operating on 12 volts on the engine circuit. Can anyone confirm this before I go and spend a lot of money on the wrong voltage of fan?
Thanks for your help. Regards, Steve Davis Aloha, SM 72 Guadeloupe |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 No. 397
Alan Grayson
I have just joined the group, we decided 2 years ago that the next boat will be an Amel. We cruised around the carribbean for 5 years on a Westsail 32 finishing in 2009. We have been back at work since then and are now ready to purchase. I have been following the forum for about 6 months now and am amazed at how much I have learnt.
Is your boat still for sale I would love to get some more information on it. Regards Alan Grayson |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Check the batteries at delivery. Sometimes they can be damage from the beginning.
/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Oliver, I am a little late on answering your question. Excuse me if I cover areas already covered by other. I am assuming that your connections to the batteries, the Shunt, the battery switches, and the battery wires are good. You have two general choices: Hire a battery guy, or do the work yourself. If you are doing the work yourself and want my advice, I will need the answers to some questions and you may have to buy some equipment...let's start:
When you have answered the above questions, you may have found your problem and/or we may be able to help you further. Best, Bill Rouse ex-BeBe SM 387 Currently Galveston, Texas On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:21 AM, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Hello Oliver,
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I think you will have to face the fact that your batteries need replacing. From what you have told us, one battery in a pair reads 10.8 volts right ? That is a dead battery...it has one cell not functioning.....ie shorted out, probably because of deposits in the bottom of the battery case caused by not regularly recharging the batteries to full charge. This can be sometimes temporarily fixed by desulphating or equalising the batteries...you need a battery charger with an equalise function to do this...if your battery charge has this function, you should try it, BUT be sure to have all your 24V devices switched off as the equalising voltage will be around 32V which can damage some electronics. Back to the batteries..... 10.8 / 5 = 2.16 volts per cell...OK?....so if that battery had 6 functioning cells it would be 6 x 2.16 = 12.96V...not bad! Your batteries are in series pairs, so if one battery in that pair never reaches more than 10.8 volts (because of a shorted out cell), the other battery in the pair will have around 13.2 volts on it (the 13 volt battery may also be failing but not yet as bad as the 10.8 volt battery) 24 - 10.8 = 13.2 In any event ALL of the batteries that only read 10.8 volts are in big trouble and need replacing....but you shouldn't just replace those, you should replace all of them to be sure all the batteries in the bank are the same brand, same size, same age, and make sure that all the battery connections are clean and tight, and all the cables in good condition. Another hint....buy a copy of Nigel Calder's "Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual", it will help you immeasurably with problems like this. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <obuhlert@...> wrote : It's random and across the entire battery bank. The batteries are flooded. All the best Oliver SV JoEmi Am 30.01.2017 um 13:19 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
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Re: Batteries with different voltages
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
«I cleaned the connection which were nearly black»
I find this interesting. All of our wires and connectors in the battery box look "new", even though we have owned the boat for nearly five years. There is no black, dust, mold, nor soot. Do other people's Amel show aged battery connectors? If so, how does the aging manifest itself? Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N° 350 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi, Did you check each battery separately with an electronic battery tester after letting them run under load after charging for 15 minutes? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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As Bill said previously, if you have a shorted cell in one of the pair it will be low voltage and because you have 24V across each pair, the not so bad one will rise up in voltage....and its more likely to be the one on the +ve end. Sounds to me that all the batteries are dead / dying, some worse than others but all on the way out. I would say that all the batteries should be replaced and also, it seems, the cabling. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
Well, I already took out the low voltage ones and just connected the high voltage ones with over 13,2 V - all the same age and the same brand. After two days I had the same effect one of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10. It was not only one pair of batteries with this problem, it was the entire batterie bank. One of the pair with high and one with low voltage.
All the covers of the cables has not any more the original color, the red one looks almost like the black ones. The owner changed 2 years ago one pair of batteries - for sure that was a mistake. Oliver SV JoEmi
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
As Bill said previously, if you have a shorted cell in one of the pair it will be low voltage and because you have 24V across each pair, the not so bad one will rise up in voltage....and its more likely to be the one on the +ve end. Sounds to me that all the batteries are dead / dying, some worse than others but all on the way out. I would say that all the batteries should be replaced and also, it seems, the cabling. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...> wrote : Well, I already took out the low voltage ones and just connected the high voltage ones with over 13,2 V - all the same age and the same brand. After two days I had the same effect one of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10. It was not only one pair of batteries with this problem, it was the entire batterie bank. One of the pair with high and one with low voltage. All the covers of the cables has not any more the original color, the red one looks almost like the black ones. The owner changed 2 years ago one pair of batteries - for sure that was a mistake. Oliver SV JoEmi |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Here are some simple ideas for gaining information before spending money or changing wiring, Oliver can you do without electricity for a bit, long enough to disconnect the batteries? then 1) Use a a good Ohm meter to check the resistance in each connecting wire used to parallel and series the batteries if all the wires from terminal to terminal show 0 resistance then 2) check individual resting voltage of each isolated battery 3) do you have a modern load tester? test the isolated batteries with this instrument. 4) is there anything under the batteries that could provide a hidden ground connection? This may give you an idea of how to proceed with this unusual problem that does not seem to be Amel-related. Richard Tartan 4100 in Connecticut
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Oliver Buhlert
It's random and across the entire battery bank. The batteries are flooded. All the best Oliver SV JoEmi Am 30.01.2017 um 13:19 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
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Well, I already took out the low voltage ones and just connected the high voltage ones with over 13,2 V - all the same age and the same brand. After two days I had the same effect one of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10.
It was not only one pair of batteries with this problem, it was the entire batterie bank. One of the pair with high and one with low voltage. All the covers of the cables has not any more the original color, the red one looks almost like the black ones. The owner changed 2 years ago one pair of batteries - for sure that was a mistake. Oliver SV JoEmi |
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Re: Batteries with different voltages
greatketch@...
If one cell in a battery case is shorted internally the voltage will very rapidly drop to ~10.8 Volts after charging (each internal cell generates about 2.1 Volts).
If a battery with an internal short is left in the system, it will rapidly kill the others, and there is a risk of overheating and possible thermal runaway of the batteries during charging. As has been suggested, running your system without that pair is a good idea until you can get it fixed. The problem comes with what to do next. It is a very bad idea to replace PART of a battery bank. All batteries in a system should be of the same type, brand, and age. Otherwise they will not charge evenly and the life of all of them will be seriously compromised. Bill Kinney SM#160, Harmonie Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Very strange…
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Are the batteries becoming low voltage constantly on the same side (i.e. negative) to the house bank or random? Is that accros the entire battery bank? Or more consistently on the same connection… Out of curiosity, what type of batteries are you using? Flooded? AGM? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/30/17, Oliver Buhlert obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 11:05 AM Hello Alxandre, thank you for your answer. Yes I cleaned the connection which were nearly black. I already put the good batteries together and disconnect the bad ones, but after two days the same effect, one batterie with lower and one with normal voltage. All the best Oliver Am 30.01.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>: Good morning Olivier, Are your connectors clean? A few months ago, I also had 1 battery with lower voltage, I neglected to take it seriously, the result end up cooking 6 out of my 8 house batteries… If this was to happened again, I would disconnect the bad batteries and only run with 6 or 4 until you get new ones. As I don’t want the domino effect to happened again… Wish I was more help. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/30/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 10:21 AM Hello, on our Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie problem.The voltges of one of the two parallel connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V the other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries and connected just the high voltage batteries together. After two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10.I spoke to many people but no one has an idea how that could be.Looking forward to an answer. All the best OliverSV JoEmi |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Oliver Buhlert
Hello Alxandre, thank you for your answer. Yes I cleaned the connection which were nearly black. I already put the good batteries together and disconnect the bad ones, but after two days the same effect, one batterie with lower and one with normal voltage. All the best Oliver Am 30.01.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Olivier,
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Are your connectors clean? A few months ago, I also had 1 battery with lower voltage, I neglected to take it seriously, the result end up cooking 6 out of my 8 house batteries… If this was to happened again, I would disconnect the bad batteries and only run with 6 or 4 until you get new ones. As I don’t want the domino effect to happened again… Wish I was more help. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/30/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 10:21 AM Hello, on our Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie problem.The voltges of one of the two parallel connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V the other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries and connected just the high voltage batteries together. After two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10.I spoke to many people but no one has an idea how that could be.Looking forward to an answer. All the best OliverSV JoEmi |
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Batteries with different voltages
qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
Hello, on our Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie problem. The voltges of one of the two parallel connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V the other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries and connected just the high voltage batteries together. After two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10. I spoke to many people but no one has an idea how that could be. Looking forward to an answer. All the best Oliver SV JoEmi |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker membrane orientation
JEFFREY KRAUS
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