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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel to the rescue

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

I am very happy about the happy ending...says something great about all folks involved including the Dominica boat boys!

I will add that this year, we spent 2 months in le Marin, Martinique and enjoyed our time there. It had been 10 years since I previously dealt with Caroline...in fact, Amel was in Guadalupe at the time. Unbelievably, she remembered Judy and me...as well as BeBe. I ordered some regular maintenance parts from Caroline, found a discontinued part in their storeroom, and had Jean out to BeBe for no charge consultations. I followed all of his recommendations and gave them a few jobs to do on BeBe.

The Amel Caribbean Group of people are some of the best that I have ever met. Of course, you will always hear grumbling from someone. And, that someone usually does not understand boats, maintenance, or Amel. 

I understand that you are here in Grenada. We will be here for a short time, leaving next Friday for Crews Inn, Trinidad. I would love to meet up before H season, but if that does not work, sometimes after.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, 387
Currently Phare Bleu Marina, Grenada 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Martin Komischke luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That is absolutely fantastic. 


Great people, great company!


Martin
AMEL 54 #149
CHIARA





Re: Amel to the rescue

luvkante
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel to the rescue

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Ouch Ben!!

Glad you had a good outcome.  I will brief all my visitors about this painful safety point.  We insist that all folks aboard wear shoes at all times… except when they go below.

Keep healing well…


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.


On 19 Jun 2016, at 16:40, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


I know the purpose of this forum is technical but I feel compelled to complement Jean Colin and the Amel team at Marin, especially Caroline.   And our new friends from Cannes, France - Edouard and Marie-Helene Parent - current Amel 54 owners and former Super Maramu owners.


On May 29 in Roseau, Dominica harbor, I dropped the engine room hatch the last two feet onto my big toe nearly severing it completely.    As you might imagine it was an emergency  situation.  I radioed the local boat boy who immediately responded and took me to shore and a waiting taxi heading to hospital  emergency room where they were able to stitch up but not fix my toe (it was an open and compound fracture requiring expertise they did not have.  An American doctor offshore on his boat offered advice:  keep your toe attached no matter how tenuously and head to Martinique for European medical care. But where to go?


Several months before we had met Amel owners Edouard and Marie-Helene. They live in Cannes but keep their boat at Marin marina on Martinique.  We went to them for help.  Where should we go?  Edouard immediately went into full action - scrambling the jets.  He contacted Amel in Martinique, the Marina, and then provided information on St Paul Clinic and one of the best orthopedic doctors in Martinique  -  Dr. Luc Savorit.  


Caroline then contacted us via email in Dominica and made all arrangements - dock space at marina, help to tie up, rental car, and an emergency appointment at clinic.  Caroline continued to check on me to make sure all was well.  I think one might have to look long and hard  to find a company and an employee with better customer service.  


For me the outcome was good; I still have my toe (by the way you need the big toe to walk).  This is in large part because of another Amel owner and the Amel team.  I think I (we) belong to a pretty good club. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita


SM #347




Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Amel to the rescue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 


I know the purpose of this forum is technical but I feel compelled to complement Jean Colin and the Amel team at Marin, especially Caroline.   And our new friends from Cannes, France - Edouard and Marie-Helene Parent - current Amel 54 owners and former Super Maramu owners.


On May 29 in Roseau, Dominica harbor, I dropped the engine room hatch the last two feet onto my big toe nearly severing it completely.    As you might imagine it was an emergency  situation.  I radioed the local boat boy who immediately responded and took me to shore and a waiting taxi heading to hospital  emergency room where they were able to stitch up but not fix my toe (it was an open and compound fracture requiring expertise they did not have.  An American doctor offshore on his boat offered advice:  keep your toe attached no matter how tenuously and head to Martinique for European medical care. But where to go?


Several months before we had met Amel owners Edouard and Marie-Helene. They live in Cannes but keep their boat at Marin marina on Martinique.  We went to them for help.  Where should we go?  Edouard immediately went into full action - scrambling the jets.  He contacted Amel in Martinique, the Marina, and then provided information on St Paul Clinic and one of the best orthopedic doctors in Martinique  -  Dr. Luc Savorit.  


Caroline then contacted us via email in Dominica and made all arrangements - dock space at marina, help to tie up, rental car, and an emergency appointment at clinic.  Caroline continued to check on me to make sure all was well.  I think one might have to look long and hard  to find a company and an employee with better customer service.  


For me the outcome was good; I still have my toe (by the way you need the big toe to walk).  This is in large part because of another Amel owner and the Amel team.  I think I (we) belong to a pretty good club. 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Paul,

We have just spent an entire season in the Caribbean, and are now in Grenada for the summer. We have 420 watts of solar on the Emek arch, and no wind generator. I had strongly considered adding wind, but have now decided against it, and these are my reasons.

1. The output of the solar has been very high due to lot of sun and the fairly low latitude of this area. The best I've seen this season was 24 amps per hour coming in. We have been able on average when at anchor to run the generator once every 3 days for about 1 hour. We are running 1 refrigerator and 1 freezer, and have LED light throughout the boat. With your 650 watts, you should do better than this.

2. While a wind generator would contribute to our overall energy needs in the very windy Caribbean, once we head to the Pacific, we do not expect to see as much consistent wind, and we will do more downwind sailing.

3. I find about every 3 or 4 days we need to run the watermaker or washing machine, and we need to run the generator anyway. Also, diesel engines like to be run a regular basis, and ultimately will last longer if you do so.

4. The wind generator and mounting system is a bit expensive and complex. If I wanted to spend the money, I'd probably buy a watt and sea water generator which mounts on the transom. I spoke with an Amel owner in Martinique who had one, and he indicated that it supplied about all his energy on passages. When sailing, we have to run the generator once or twice a day to keep up with the demands of the autopilot. Maybe its just me, but I hate running the generator when I'm sailing.

If you choose to go the wind generator route, I think your 2 choices are the best. Both are quiet  and efficient energy. You are also correct that you don't want to mount near the arch due to shading issues. I've seen a few mounted at the top of the mizzen, and that is the most efficient location. If you don't mind going up the mast on a regular basis, not hard to service. You do not want to put the D400 at the top of the mizzen, as it is a very heavy unit, and it is just more weight than you should put that high. Even if you choose to only go half way up the mizzen, I think the Silent Wind is a better choice due to much lighter weight. If you mount anywhere on the mast, make sure the mounting system has some rubber isolators, or the resonance through the mast will drive you crazy. Or it will drive your wife crazy, and then she will drive you crazy.

Good luck with your choice, and let us all know what you come up with.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 8:05 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello! We are thinking of adding a wind generator to complement our 650 w of solar power. On cloudy days, during night sailing and in windy anchorage in the Caribbean I think it might be a good complement. But where to put it? We do not like to put in on the solar arc as it will give shadow on the solar panels, thus reducing output from the solar panels which will give the majority of the power. One place we believe might be a god spot is on top of the mizzen mast, but it has some draw backs.

-Not possible to lock in strong wind conditions

-difficult to service

-could be subject to very strong forces when going upwind and pounding into the waves. With the wind generator on top of the mizzen it can experience severe de-acceleration and need to be fastened very strong. On a previous boat when sailing up wind in rough conditions our combined tricolor and anchor light broke loose and fell down on deck, due to severe de-acceleration.

 

Any experience and advice highly appreciated on where to best place the wind generator, We do like to fly the mizzen balooner, thus on the mizzen mast fare from ideal

 

We are currently choosing between Silent wind, Super wind and D 400 from Dougen. Noise and vibration are at least as important criteria as efficiency.

 

Any thoughts of which to go for? The Superwind is by fare the most expensive one.

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 

 

 

 




Re: Re : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Christian

 

Excellent – we may drop by and say hello sometime and see how you are getting on with your project! Best of luck

 

Andrew

RONPISCHE SM472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

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Date: Sunday, 19 June 2016 at 06:52
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

 

 

Right on ! The toothless (rebuilding bow thruster), spot-ridden, rusty keeled Maramu is being rebuilt (hull, keel rudder whilst on the dry) after years of poor maintenance extensive sailing. She is still a beauty worth the efforts we are putting in to rebuild, protect get ready to put in more miles in the southern oceans.
Discovering the boat (regatta fan before) I keep a log of all faults cures, to help check on future problems.
Kepp yor feet dry
Christian alby, Desirade VIII, Maramu 116

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From: Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>;
To: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>;
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 4:21:24 PM

 

 

Christian

 

Are you across on the dry at the moment with the very rusty keel and the anti-fouling stripped right back? We were out a few weeks ago and noticed a maramu being extensively worked on?

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM472

 

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Date: Saturday, 18 June 2016 at 18:07
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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

 

 

sorry I barged in on the conversation, but emails appeared after I tried to register on the forum, & Yahoo gave me access to the group.

Here are my credentials, Christian Alby, Désirade VIII, Maramu Nr 116 (1982), located in Canet South of France on the Med.

Rebuilding (breaking down & refitting) a boat which has been laid up for the last 13 months, I do meet loads of wear & tear to correct before setting sail.

fair winds to you

christian Alby, Désirade VIII, Maramu 116 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrade to Raymarine ES97 MFD

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Colin, Paul + JP

 

Thanks   - Colin I am interested in the Raymarine Quantum for exactly the same reasons and particularly the integration with the Raymarine MFD, etc That being said when we use the current Furuno I have also been very impressed with it and in reality find it difficult to justify the change except that we have an e7 in the cockpit it would be nice to be able to quickly see radar from there. I will be very interested in what you finally end up doing.

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

 

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Date: Sunday, 19 June 2016 at 13:34
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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrade to Raymarine ES97 MFD

 

 

Andrew

 

This is a rather long winded way of answering your question but let me try to explain. 

 

Although somewhat clunky looking and consuming too much valuable space at the nav station area, we still rather like the Amel installed Furuno radar and have found it picks up targets pretty clearly at 36 miles off. Problem is that it is heavy on power usage, is down at the nav station, takes a fair while to warm up and start showing targets, and cannot connect to our Raymarine two E7's or the new ES97. For these reasons we wanted to upgrade.

 

Although we don't yet have the new unit (Raymarine - here in Australia have huge a backlog of orders) we have read all the reviews and although the new Quantum is only rated at 24 N.Miles distance (we wanted 36 or 48 mile option too), it can be overlaid on all our chart plotters via the Raymarine network, apparently picks up targets extremely well, including much smaller ones close by, starts up instantly, consumes very little power - so we feel we would be more likely to use it much more often, can use it via WiFi on iPads etc. Basically we feel the benefits of upgrading are finally there to warrant the relatively small $2100.00 AUD expense.

 

The big issue is that we have yet to pull the new radar cables through the mast, so do not yet know if they will both fit, but decided to keep the old one only if both cables fit in the mast cavity?. The new cable is the same as for the highest spec Raymarine HD Digital radars and the new Quantum comes standard with a much thinner power cable if you are happy to use it via wifi only. 

 

So our decision is to keep the old one if both cables fit. If not, we will discard it but still fit the 2nd radar platform and possibly fit a new 48 mile Raymarine HD Digital radar in it's place, connected to the new Raymarine digital cable and then run only the thin power cable to the Quantum and use that one with wifi only. We think we will use the Quantum far more frequently than any other radars and that this will also lead to safer navigation especially since we will be going into Indonesia next year where so many folk complain about hundreds of unlit local small fishing vessels which cannot be seen in darkness.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

 

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:18 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,  Andrew et al,

 

I installed the Ray SHD with a 4 foot bar antenna.  It serves more than one purpose: navigation, weather avoidance and ship safety.

 

But I have considerable experience with radar having been a pilot for decades.  For instance, this winter, while living aboard I gave repeated courses on how to use a radar… I was also surprized at how many owners had not one clue how to use it.

 

As a demonstration, while in harbour, I chose 1/8 mile scale and by manually reducing the gain, I could paint the “fairway” and distinguish the various masts ahead of us…. people were agog by this… yet it is simply knowing how to operate your equipment.  Also another convenient demonstration was when a a squall developed about 40 miles away.  I placed a marker on the main cell, noted the time and 6 minutes later took another bearing/distance on the cell.  It gave me a direction and speed of movement, which you definitely want to know when at sea if you want to avoid a squall or thunderstorm.

 

I highly recommend you RTFM on your radar and read the following .pdf.  

 

Lastly, this is just like sex… the more you use it, the better you get :-).  Use it EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY!!!

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007

 

 

 

On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:37, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello Andrew, Concerning radar, 

My experience concerning radar is rather limited, before we bought our SM, I have sailed two boats with radar together totally three month. Both of them where equipped with "standard" Raymarine radars, today they would be 5 -6 years old. My general thought after my experience with them was, why do people bother to install this expensive equipment as they to me act more like toys. No way we could see smal vessels even at moderate sea. and mid size vessel was maybe one or two pixels that light up.

So it was with not very high expectation we turned on our Furuno Radar (opend ray antenna 6 kw from 1998) with "gren screen". To our surprise we can easily see very small vessels even though our screen is down at the nav table and we sitt at the "captains" chair in the cockpit. we are super pleased with it, we have only used it in moderate conditions so fare. But a friend of mine who are a naval officer sin 30 years back, was inpressad with the installed radar, so I would not change it until it give up on it's own.

That's my view for what it's worth

Regards

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Paul,

The previous owner of my vessel installed an Air X Marine Wind Generator (24 Volt) on top of the mizzen mast.
I think this is a great location despite a difficult access.
The vibration felt through the mizen mast in the half cabin are very minimal, just took a little of getting use to it.
I often get comments that, because of its high position, mine is the only one working !

Unfortunately it stop charging 2 years ago and since I am not too crazy climbing up there it has not been high on my priority of things to do…
I wish it was working as it definitely offset some power consumption while sailing.
I might hire a rigger to look at it soon.

Wish I could you more than just feedback on vibration…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Sun, 6/19/16, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, June 19, 2016, 7:05 AM


 









Hello! We
are thinking of adding a wind generator to complement our
650 w of solar power.
On cloudy days, during night sailing and in windy anchorage
in the Caribbean I
think it might be a good complement. But where to put it? We
do not like to put
in on the solar arc as it will give shadow on the solar
panels, thus reducing
output from the solar panels which will give the majority of
the
power. One place we believe might be a god spot is on top of
the mizzen mast,
but it has some draw backs. -Not possible to lock in
strong wind conditions-difficult to
service-could be
subject to very strong forces when going upwind
and pounding into the waves. With the
wind generator on top of the mizzen it can experience severe
de-acceleration and need to be fastened very
strong. On a previous boat when sailing up wind in rough
conditions our
combined tricolor and anchor light broke loose and fell down
on deck, due to
severe de-acceleration. Any
experience and advice highly appreciated on where to best
place the wind generator, We do like to fly the mizzen
balooner, thus on the mizzen mast fare from
ideal We are
currently choosing between Silent wind, Super wind and D 400
from Dougen. Noise
and vibration are at least as important criteria as
efficiency. Any
thoughts of which to go for? The Superwind is by fare the
most expensive one. Paul on
S/Y Kerpa SM#259     

































 










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Wind generator on top of the mizzen mast

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello! We are thinking of adding a wind generator to complement our 650 w of solar power. On cloudy days, during night sailing and in windy anchorage in the Caribbean I think it might be a good complement. But where to put it? We do not like to put in on the solar arc as it will give shadow on the solar panels, thus reducing output from the solar panels which will give the majority of the power. One place we believe might be a god spot is on top of the mizzen mast, but it has some draw backs.

-Not possible to lock in strong wind conditions

-difficult to service

-could be subject to very strong forces when going upwind and pounding into the waves. With the wind generator on top of the mizzen it can experience severe de-acceleration and need to be fastened very strong. On a previous boat when sailing up wind in rough conditions our combined tricolor and anchor light broke loose and fell down on deck, due to severe de-acceleration.

 

Any experience and advice highly appreciated on where to best place the wind generator, We do like to fly the mizzen balooner, thus on the mizzen mast fare from ideal

 

We are currently choosing between Silent wind, Super wind and D 400 from Dougen. Noise and vibration are at least as important criteria as efficiency.

 

Any thoughts of which to go for? The Superwind is by fare the most expensive one.

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrade to Raymarine ES97 MFD

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Andrew

This is a rather long winded way of answering your question but let me try to explain. 

Although somewhat clunky looking and consuming too much valuable space at the nav station area, we still rather like the Amel installed Furuno radar and have found it picks up targets pretty clearly at 36 miles off. Problem is that it is heavy on power usage, is down at the nav station, takes a fair while to warm up and start showing targets, and cannot connect to our Raymarine two E7's or the new ES97. For these reasons we wanted to upgrade.

Although we don't yet have the new unit (Raymarine - here in Australia have huge a backlog of orders) we have read all the reviews and although the new Quantum is only rated at 24 N.Miles distance (we wanted 36 or 48 mile option too), it can be overlaid on all our chart plotters via the Raymarine network, apparently picks up targets extremely well, including much smaller ones close by, starts up instantly, consumes very little power - so we feel we would be more likely to use it much more often, can use it via WiFi on iPads etc. Basically we feel the benefits of upgrading are finally there to warrant the relatively small $2100.00 AUD expense.

The big issue is that we have yet to pull the new radar cables through the mast, so do not yet know if they will both fit, but decided to keep the old one only if both cables fit in the mast cavity?. The new cable is the same as for the highest spec Raymarine HD Digital radars and the new Quantum comes standard with a much thinner power cable if you are happy to use it via wifi only. 

So our decision is to keep the old one if both cables fit. If not, we will discard it but still fit the 2nd radar platform and possibly fit a new 48 mile Raymarine HD Digital radar in it's place, connected to the new Raymarine digital cable and then run only the thin power cable to the Quantum and use that one with wifi only. We think we will use the Quantum far more frequently than any other radars and that this will also lead to safer navigation especially since we will be going into Indonesia next year where so many folk complain about hundreds of unlit local small fishing vessels which cannot be seen in darkness.

Hope this helps.

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:18 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hello Paul,  Andrew et al,

I installed the Ray SHD with a 4 foot bar antenna.  It serves more than one purpose: navigation, weather avoidance and ship safety.

But I have considerable experience with radar having been a pilot for decades.  For instance, this winter, while living aboard I gave repeated courses on how to use a radar… I was also surprized at how many owners had not one clue how to use it.

As a demonstration, while in harbour, I chose 1/8 mile scale and by manually reducing the gain, I could paint the “fairway” and distinguish the various masts ahead of us…. people were agog by this… yet it is simply knowing how to operate your equipment.  Also another convenient demonstration was when a a squall developed about 40 miles away.  I placed a marker on the main cell, noted the time and 6 minutes later took another bearing/distance on the cell.  It gave me a direction and speed of movement, which you definitely want to know when at sea if you want to avoid a squall or thunderstorm.

I highly recommend you RTFM on your radar and read the following .pdf.  

Lastly, this is just like sex… the more you use it, the better you get :-).  Use it EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY!!!



Cheers,



Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:37, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Andrew, Concerning radar, 

My experience concerning radar is rather limited, before we bought our SM, I have sailed two boats with radar together totally three month. Both of them where equipped with "standard" Raymarine radars, today they would be 5 -6 years old. My general thought after my experience with them was, why do people bother to install this expensive equipment as they to me act more like toys. No way we could see smal vessels even at moderate sea. and mid size vessel was maybe one or two pixels that light up.
So it was with not very high expectation we turned on our Furuno Radar (opend ray antenna 6 kw from 1998) with "gren screen". To our surprise we can easily see very small vessels even though our screen is down at the nav table and we sitt at the "captains" chair in the cockpit. we are super pleased with it, we have only used it in moderate conditions so fare. But a friend of mine who are a naval officer sin 30 years back, was inpressad with the installed radar, so I would not change it until it give up on it's own.
That's my view for what it's worth
Regards
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Ian,

Actually a neighbor of mine (3 years ago) suggested to repaint the anchor (I did know any better, now I do).

With the new Rocna I already purchase a “Refinishing kit”.

Since I work full time, marinas are very convenient for me… (internet, power, etc.) plus I often have great neighbor.
Now my next door neighbor was the pilot on the James Bond Golden Eye, flew the Cessna as well as the helicopter to take shots of the Arecibo observatory that I recently visited.

I mostly anchor for “romantic” weekend get away…

Thanks Vladimir for your reply as well.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 6/19/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, June 19, 2016, 12:44 AM

Hi Alexandre,
                       
   It looks as though the previous owner used his
anchor a lot and then instead of regalvanising it he chose
to slap on some white paint to hide the rust. Not a clever
move !
My main anchor is stainless steel, so
no maintenance, though I do check from time to time to make
sure the retaining bolt is ok. Not had an issue with it in
16 years.
You will be well served by both
your anchors, but you may not feel it necessary to have them
both ready to deploy.
We, too, have three
anchors. The third is a galvanised Spade which I keep in its
two separate parts in the deck locker outboard of the
cockpit. It has yet to see the sea.

Do use your anchor ! It's much more
comfortable to swing head to a breeze rather than being
cooped up in a marina !

Ian
and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
> On 19 Jun 2016, at 00:49, Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
>
> I forgot a
question Ian,
>
>
Since you have the same Spade I have.  What type of care or
maintenance do you do for your anchor?
>

> I did not know anchor needed to be
“maintained” (aside washing them after sailing and
anchoring and regalvanized after a few years)
> Here is how mine look like http://www.nikimat.com/spade_anchor.html
which is the reason why Spade is sending me a new
one… 
>
> So what
do you do to maintain your anchor?
>
> Would love to hear back from everybody.
>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Sat, 6/18/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
>
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
> To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>
> Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016, 3:50 PM
>
> Alexandre ,
>   
>         
Why do
> you need two anchors ? We have a
30 kg Spade which has coped
> in all
conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg ,
> with a couple of meters of chain which we
keep in the port
> bow locker " just
in case " . We  have used it
> once
in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in
> 16 years and that was to pull a French
yacht off the beach
> in Brazil. We
attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor
> in and used his winches to save his boat .

> Modern anchors , given enough scope ,
are man
> enough for most conditions .

> Get your
> anchor
securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you
> can . Chain remaining on board serves no
purpose .
>
> Ian
and Judy , Pen Azen , SM
> 302 , At
anchor in Greece
>
>
>
> On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> I won’t
explain
> how I end up with 2 anchors
(Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but
> if
curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend,
> you can find me under: “Amel
NIKIMAT”). 
>>
>> So my question is:
> how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors
(Rocna 33 and
> Spade 30). 
>> As far as I know, my
> anchor roller can only accommodate 1
anchor (I think the
> roller on the
left/port is for a rope - may be someone can
> teach me its use). 
>> http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html
>>
>> To me, it
seems more
> logical to have 2 anchors on
the bow, with both easily
> deployable.

>> but I am open the
> opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super
maramu with a
> windlass on the stern,
but then how do you set an anchor
>
roller there, etc.)
>>
>>
>> My next
question is
> how much anchor rode for
the 2 main anchors… 
>> Weight is
starting to seriously get a
> problem…
I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter /
> 300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg
or 450 lbs).
>
>>
So what would be the “minimum”
>
still safe combination chain (+ rope). 
>> I know the chain will be 10 mm and
the
> rode should be 7/8” 
>>
>> Thanks in
advance… 
>>
>> Sincerely,
>
Alexandre
>> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
>> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
> Rico
>>
>>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

Alan Leslie
 

Welcome to the group Christian....you will find a LOT of useful information in here.
I certainly did.
Je te souhaite un bon restoration !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - Fiji


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

Alan Leslie
 

Welcome to the group Christian....you will find a LOT of useful information in here.
I certainly did.
Je te souhaite un bon restoration !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - Fiji


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Alexandre,
It looks as though the previous owner used his anchor a lot and then instead of regalvanising it he chose to slap on some white paint to hide the rust. Not a clever move !
My main anchor is stainless steel, so no maintenance, though I do check from time to time to make sure the retaining bolt is ok. Not had an issue with it in 16 years.
You will be well served by both your anchors, but you may not feel it necessary to have them both ready to deploy.
We, too, have three anchors. The third is a galvanised Spade which I keep in its two separate parts in the deck locker outboard of the cockpit. It has yet to see the sea.

Do use your anchor ! It's much more comfortable to swing head to a breeze rather than being cooped up in a marina !

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

On 19 Jun 2016, at 00:49, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I forgot a question Ian,

Since you have the same Spade I have. What type of care or maintenance do you do for your anchor?

I did not know anchor needed to be “maintained” (aside washing them after sailing and anchoring and regalvanized after a few years)
Here is how mine look like http://www.nikimat.com/spade_anchor.html which is the reason why Spade is sending me a new one…

So what do you do to maintain your anchor?

Would love to hear back from everybody.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Sat, 6/18/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016, 3:50 PM

Alexandre ,

Why do
you need two anchors ? We have a 30 kg Spade which has coped
in all conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg ,
with a couple of meters of chain which we keep in the port
bow locker " just in case " . We have used it
once in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in
16 years and that was to pull a French yacht off the beach
in Brazil. We attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor
in and used his winches to save his boat .
Modern anchors , given enough scope , are man
enough for most conditions .
Get your
anchor securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you
can . Chain remaining on board serves no purpose .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM
302 , At anchor in Greece

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Good afternoon,

I won’t explain
how I end up with 2 anchors (Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but
if curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend,
you can find me under: “Amel NIKIMAT”).

So my question is:
how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors (Rocna 33 and
Spade 30).
As far as I know, my
anchor roller can only accommodate 1 anchor (I think the
roller on the left/port is for a rope - may be someone can
teach me its use).
http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html

To me, it seems more
logical to have 2 anchors on the bow, with both easily
deployable.
but I am open the
opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super maramu with a
windlass on the stern, but then how do you set an anchor
roller there, etc.)


My next question is
how much anchor rode for the 2 main anchors…
Weight is starting to seriously get a
problem… I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter /
300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg or 450 lbs).

So what would be the “minimum”
still safe combination chain (+ rope).
I know the chain will be 10 mm and the
rode should be 7/8”

Thanks in advance…

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico


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Re : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

calbyy@yahoo.fr <calbyy@...>
 

Right on ! The toothless (rebuilding bow thruster), spot-ridden, rusty keeled Maramu is being rebuilt (hull, keel & rudder whilst on the dry) after years of poor maintenance & extensive sailing. She is still a beauty & worth the efforts we are putting in to rebuild, protect & get ready to put in more miles in the southern oceans.
Discovering the boat (regatta fan before) I keep a log of all faults & cures, to help check on future problems.
Kepp yor feet dry
Christian alby, Desirade VIII, Maramu 116

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From: Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] ;
To: amelyachtowners@... ;
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis
Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 4:21:24 PM

 

Christian

 

Are you across on the dry at the moment with the very rusty keel and the anti-fouling stripped right back? We were out a few weeks ago and noticed a maramu being extensively worked on?

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM472

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..."
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Date: Saturday, 18 June 2016 at 18:07
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel surveyor- Florida /osmosis

 

 

sorry I barged in on the conversation, but emails appeared after I tried to register on the forum, & Yahoo gave me access to the group.

Here are my credentials, Christian Alby, Désirade VIII, Maramu Nr 116 (1982), located in Canet South of France on the Med.

Rebuilding (breaking down & refitting) a boat which has been laid up for the last 13 months, I do meet loads of wear & tear to correct before setting sail.

fair winds to you

christian Alby, Désirade VIII, Maramu 116 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

That Spade looks like was coated with some kind on corrosion protection. Normally carbon steel anchors are galvanized. Galvanized anchore is good for more than 15 year. I do not wash off my galvanized anchor with fresh water.

On Jun 18, 2016 5:49 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I forgot a question Ian,

Since you have the same Spade I have. What type of care or maintenance do you do for your anchor?

I did not know anchor needed to be “maintained” (aside washing them after sailing and anchoring and regalvanized after a few years)
Here is how mine look like http://www.nikimat.com/spade_anchor.html which is the reason why Spade is sending me a new one…

So what do you do to maintain your anchor?

Would love to hear back from everybody.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sat, 6/18/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016, 3:50 PM

Alexandre , 
   
         Why do
you need two anchors ? We have a 30 kg Spade which has coped
in all conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg ,
with a couple of meters of chain which we keep in the port
bow locker " just in case " . We  have used it
once in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in
16 years and that was to pull a French yacht off the beach
in Brazil. We attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor
in and used his winches to save his boat .
Modern anchors , given enough scope , are man
enough for most conditions .
Get your
anchor securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you
can . Chain remaining on board serves no purpose .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM
302 , At anchor in Greece



>
On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I won’t explain
how I end up with 2 anchors (Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but
if curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend,
you can find me under: “Amel NIKIMAT”). 
>
> So my question is:
how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors (Rocna 33 and
Spade 30). 
> As far as I know, my
anchor roller can only accommodate 1 anchor (I think the
roller on the left/port is for a rope - may be someone can
teach me its use). 
> http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html
>
> To me, it seems more
logical to have 2 anchors on the bow, with both easily
deployable.
> but I am open the
opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super maramu with a
windlass on the stern, but then how do you set an anchor
roller there, etc.)
>
>
> My next question is
how much anchor rode for the 2 main anchors… 
> Weight is starting to seriously get a
problem… I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter /
300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg or 450 lbs). 

> So what would be the “minimum”
still safe combination chain (+ rope). 
> I know the chain will be 10 mm and the
rode should be 7/8” 
>
> Thanks in advance… 
>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico
>
>
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Re: GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change

Songhui Ma
 

Hello,

First and foremost thank you for all these answers and tips.It is really a relief to be able to tap all this specific experience that no one around can match.


Gary, great warning for the FLARE NUT WRENCH.


I have ordered the pump from Cummins US seamlessly for a US delivery that a friend will ship back to me.


Stay tuned
Dominique
S/V Viva
.
The tip from Gary [get the right wrench I am redaing vicar


---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

It is entirely possible that my fear of boat fires is making me irrational. So anybody should feel free to come to an alternative conclusion about risks and benefits without me thinking they are crazy.

I have seen four boats on fire. Two I put out, two I watched burn to the waterline. The idea that I could syphon 200 liters (or 100, or 50) of diesel fuel into an engine room fire with no way to stop it, just strikes me as terrifying.

The remote handle for the bottom valve is there to shut the valve in case of fire. It says so right on the handle. That’s the logic Amel used for the design of that valve. It is good logic. It is smart, it is as safe as it can be. I like that approach. Every other boat I have had had a similar arrangement.

If you accept that logic I don’t see how you can avoid thinking the syphoning return line should have the same arrangement. It would feed fuel to a fire also. Why is fuel that syphons out of the tank less hazardous during a fire than fuel from the bottom?

Enough said.

IF I find that the return line DOES syphon on my boat, I will install a remote handled valve to shut it off. Just like Amel did for the main fuel line. If that is the case, I’ll post pictures and a description of what I did.

On Jun 16, 2016, at 09:25, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... mailto:uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> But this is a negative, there was more in the bilge than just what was in the line.
> Here is what Olivier wrote on Feb 23, 2016
> So may be I had more fuel than I thought… May be I had 3/4 and not half.
>
> Olivier’s message:
>
> the purpose of the shut-off valve at the bottom of the tank is not to be able to stop an engine but to prevent fuel from flowing in case of fire in the engine room (this is why there is a remote control).
> Yes, with this valve shut off, the engines go on running for 10 minutes (idling) before they stop. And I'm sure the main engine finally stops because I experienced this once in a windy harbor (because I did not check that this valve was open)...not fun at all.
> So, if you notice that the fuel keeps on flowing while you're changing the filters, this means the valve is dead and needs replacement (for safety in case of fire...). In fact there is a plastic housing around the chromed ball inside the valve. This plastic probably deteriorates because of time and wear.
>
> I don't think the engines can run thanks to the fuel coming from the return line (otherwise, the design of these engines would be very poor...).
>
> Bill is right, adding more valves is a source of future leaks, or problems (if you forget to open them all while running). AMEL did not do that to keep it simple, as you rarely change a filter on the genset while motoring (or vice versa).
> AMEL put a valve on the fuel heater system (option) as this equipment is more fragile, prone to leaking and should not be able to disable the engines (via air intakes).
>
> What Gary experienced with the fuel coming from the return line while changing the fuel filter on the genset, is because of siphoning when the tank is full. The fuel return line enters the tank with a piece of pipe that is around 20cm long, hence the siphon.
>
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>
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>
>
> A valve there is not for convenience during
> repairs, although it would be that.
>
>
>
> There shouldn’t be any way to empty the fuel tank into the
> bilge without a positive shut off in case of a broken hose
> or other disaster. The reason that Amel has a remote
> operated main fuel valve (and every other well designed boat
> as well) is so you can positively shut off fuel flow to the
> engine room in the event of a fire. Having a return line
> that syphon feeds fuel from the tank to a fire would totally
> defeat the purpose.
>
>
>
> I do not doubt that you had fuel come out of the return
> line. I would expect it there. My engineering sense is
> that you saw the fuel in the line draining back, and not
> coming from the tank. Return lines would be full on the
> shutdown of the engine(s) and would likely stay that way.
> Draining back down to the fuel level in the tank through the
> injection pumps and lift pumps would take a very long time.
>
>
>
>
> I have added a project to my endless list… disconnect the
> return line from the generator with a full fuel tank and
> closed main valve and see what happens. I expect to get
> about a liter of fuel out as the lines drain, and then no
> more. At least I hope that’s what happens!
>
>
>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 08:38, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... mailto:uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Hello Bill (SM#160),
>
>>
>
>> At the time when it happened to me, I didn’t mention
> it on the forum as I couldn’t understand it (and kind of
> felt stupid to be honest), then others mention the same
> thing so I share my experience.
>
>>
>
>> Yes, absolutely positive, it is coming from the
> “return” line, there was probably 4 liters of diesel
> overnight in the bilge (which I had to empty using cups,
> etc.) difficult to estimate because it was mix with the
> water in my bilge.
>
>>
>
>> Personally I don’t feel worth the time to install a
> valve on the return line, it is much quicker to simply
> disconnect the hose that goes to it. In the 3.5 years of
> ownership, only needed to disconnect the return line once.
>
>
>>
>
>> Wish I could help more…
>
>>
>
>> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
>
>> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Thu, 6/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... mailto:greatketch@...
> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS
> cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change
>
>> To: amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...
>
>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016, 7:13 AM
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Alexandre
>
>> I am trying to understand what is
>
>> going on here… If it really is possible to syphon
> fuel
>
>> out of a half full tank via the return line, then
> putting a
>
>> shut off valve on it would become become a very high
>
>> priority safety project for me.
>
>> But if the tank is built the
>
>> way Amel drew it, then it is not possible for this to
> happen
>
>> without “magic”, and we are seeing something
> else
>
>> happening.
>
>> You describe a “drop by drop”
>
>> leak of fuel. How much total fuel leaked this way
> would
>
>> you guess? 10 liters? 5? Less than 1?
>
>> Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort Canaveral, Florida
>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 06:44,
>
>> Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... mailto:uster@...
>
>> [amelyachtowners]
> <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> Good morning Bill (SM
>
>> #160),
>
>>
>
>> April 28, 2015 in reply to Mike
>
>> Ondra’s post, I reply:
>
>>
>
>> my injectors (engine) were
>
>> removed to be check/rebuilt
>
>> Somehow fuel was still coming
>
>> drop by drop in the bilge compartment.
>
>> It did not make any
>
>> sense to me as the valve was off.
>
>> I realize the fuel
>
>> was coming from the “return” valve (which still
>
>> doesn’t make any sense… may be some type of suction
> or
>
>> syphon?)
>
>> So I
>
>> disconnected the return rubber fuel line to the tank,
> the
>
>> leak stop.
>
>>
>
>> My tank was may be 1/2 full.
>
>>
>
>> It happened to other people as
>
>> well.
>
>>
>
>> One of these things hard to
>
>> understand but that you have to keep in mind.
>
>>
>
>> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
>
>> Club Nautico de San
>
>> Juan, Puerto Rico
>
>>
>
>> --------------------------------------------
>
>> On Wed, 6/15/16,
>
>> Bill Kinney greatketch@... mailto:greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
>
>> <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: Re:
>
>> [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart
> after
>
>> fuel filter and oil change
>
>> To: amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...
>
>> Date: Wednesday,
>
>> June 15, 2016, 9:21 PM
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I am puzzled…
>
>> How can the fuel
>
>> “syphon”
>
>> back
>
>> from the tank through the return line? Amel’s
>
>> drawing of the tank
>
>> does not show a dip tube (and there
>
>> certainly shouldn’t be one!) on
>
>> the return fitting on the
>
>> top of the tank.
>
>> It seems that if the
>
>> only way
>
>> this
>
>> could happen is if the tank is filled so full the
> level
>
>> is up into the fill
>
>> line with NO air in the tank at
>
>> all.
>
>> Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort
>
>> Canaveral, Florida
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41,
>
>> amelliahona <no_reply@... mailto:no_reply@...>
>
>> wrote:
>
>> Dominique:
>
>> I just replaced my
>
>> electric
>
>> priming
>
>> pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset. I did not have
>
>> access at the time
>
>> to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did
>
>> this. I ended up distorting the
>
>> "B-nut" on the
>
>> small copper fuel line that goes
>
>> from the fuel pump to the
>
>> fuel filter adapter and could NOT
>
>> get a proper seal upon
>
>> replacing this line (a continuous
>
>> small seep of fuel that
>
>> was really annoying and messy).
>
>> I had to order a
>
>> replacement line (not that
>
>> expensive) and buy a proper set
>
>> of flare nut wrenches to
>
>> adequately get a seal. I wish I
>
>> could remember the size of the
>
>> flare nut but it was SAE (not
>
>> metric) sized. Make sure the
>
>> fuel tank is low on fuel
>
>> (think 250 liter will work)
>
>> otherwise a continuous stream of
>
>> fuel will flow by syphon from the
>
>> fuel tank fuel return line
>
>> while you make this plumbing
>
>> change. I managed to turn
>
>> this otherwise simple replacement
>
>> into a major project based
>
>> on A) not using the proper tools
>
>> to loosen and re-install
>
>> the B-nut of the fuel line, B)
>
>> not have lowered the fuel in
>
>> the tank (mine was full at the
>
>> time of my work).
>
>>
>
>> Good luck. The pump was
>
>> about
>
>> $65 as I
>
>> recall (not that expensive in the scheme of things)
>
>> and the fuel line
>
>> was about $8
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> Gary S. Silvers/v LiahonaAmel SM
>
>> #335 Puerto
>
>> Rico
>
>>
>
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>> <p>Hello Bill (SM#160), <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> At the time when it happened to me, I didn’t mention
> it on the forum as I couldn’t understand it (and kind of
> felt stupid to be honest), then others mention the same
> thing so I share my experience. <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Yes, absolutely positive, it is coming from the
> “return” line, there was probably 4 liters of diesel
> overnight in the bilge (which I had to empty using cups,
> etc.) difficult to estimate because it was mix with the
> water in my bilge. <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Personally I don’t feel worth the time to install a
> valve on the return line, it is much quicker to simply
> disconnect the hose that goes to it. In the 3.5 years of
> ownership, only needed to disconnect the return line once.
> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Wish I could help more… <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Sincerely, Alexandre<br>
>
>> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT<br>
>
>> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>>
> --------------------------------------------<br>
>
>> On Thu, 6/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... mailto:greatketch@...
> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
> wrote:<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS
> cannot restart after fuel filter and oil change<br>
>
>> To: amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...<br>
>
>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016, 7:13 AM<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Alexandre<br>
>
>> I am trying to understand what is<br>
>
>> going on here… If it really is possible to syphon
> fuel<br>
>
>> out of a half full tank via the return line, then
> putting a<br>
>
>> shut off valve on it would become become a very
> high<br>
>
>> priority safety project for me.<br>
>
>> But if the tank is built the<br>
>
>> way Amel drew it, then it is not possible for this to
> happen<br>
>
>> without “magic”, and we are seeing something
> else<br>
>
>> happening.<br>
>
>> You describe a “drop by drop”<br>
>
>> leak of fuel. How much total fuel leaked this way
> would<br>
>
>> you guess? 10 liters? 5? Less than 1?<br>
>
>> Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort Canaveral,
> Florida<br>
>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 06:44,<br>
>
>> Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... mailto:uster@...<br>
>
>> [amelyachtowners]
> <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...><br>
>
>> wrote:<br>
>
>> Good morning Bill (SM<br>
>
>> #160), <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> April 28, 2015 in reply to Mike<br>
>
>> Ondra’s post, I reply: <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> my injectors (engine) were<br>
>
>> removed to be check/rebuilt<br>
>
>> Somehow fuel was still coming<br>
>
>> drop by drop in the bilge compartment. <br>
>
>> It did not make any<br>
>
>> sense to me as the valve was off. <br>
>
>> I realize the fuel<br>
>
>> was coming from the “return” valve (which
> still<br>
>
>> doesn’t make any sense… may be some type of suction
> or<br>
>
>> syphon?)<br>
>
>> So I<br>
>
>> disconnected the return rubber fuel line to the tank,
> the<br>
>
>> leak stop. <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> My tank was may be 1/2 full. <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> It happened to other people as<br>
>
>> well. <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> One of these things hard to<br>
>
>> understand but that you have to keep in mind.
> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Sincerely, Alexandre<br>
>
>> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT<br>
>
>> Club Nautico de San<br>
>
>> Juan, Puerto Rico<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>>
> --------------------------------------------<br>
>
>> On Wed, 6/15/16,<br>
>
>> Bill Kinney greatketch@... mailto:greatketch@...
> [amelyachtowners]<br>
>
>> <amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...><br>
>
>> wrote:<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Subject: Re: Re:<br>
>
>> [Amel Yacht Owners] GENSET ONAN CUMMINS cannot restart
> after<br>
>
>> fuel filter and oil change<br>
>
>> To: amelyachtowners@... mailto:amelyachtowners@...<br>
>
>> Date: Wednesday,<br>
>
>> June 15, 2016, 9:21 PM<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> I am puzzled… <br>
>
>> How can the fuel<br>
>
>> “syphon”<br>
>
>> back<br>
>
>> from the tank through the return line?
> Amel’s<br>
>
>> drawing of the tank<br>
>
>> does not show a dip tube (and there<br>
>
>> certainly shouldn’t be one!) on<br>
>
>> the return fitting on the<br>
>
>> top of the tank. <br>
>
>> It seems that if the<br>
>
>> only way<br>
>
>> this<br>
>
>> could happen is if the tank is filled so full the
> level<br>
>
>> is up into the fill<br>
>
>> line with NO air in the tank at<br>
>
>> all.<br>
>
>> Bill KinneySM#160 HarmoniePort<br>
>
>> Canaveral, Florida<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 21:41,<br>
>
>> amelliahona
> <no_reply@... mailto:no_reply@...><br>
>
>> wrote:<br>
>
>> Dominique:<br>
>
>> I just replaced my<br>
>
>> electric<br>
>
>> priming<br>
>
>> pump on my SM #335 Onan Genset. I did not
> have<br>
>
>> access at the time<br>
>
>> to a proper FLARE NUT WRENCH when I did<br>
>
>> this. I ended up distorting the<br>
>
>> "B-nut" on the<br>
>
>> small copper fuel line that goes<br>
>
>> from the fuel pump to the<br>
>
>> fuel filter adapter and could NOT<br>
>
>> get a proper seal upon<br>
>
>> replacing this line (a continuous<br>
>
>> small seep of fuel that<br>
>
>> was really annoying and messy).<br>
>
>> I had to order a<br>
>
>> replacement line (not that<br>
>
>> expensive) and buy a proper set<br>
>
>> of flare nut wrenches to<br>
>
>> adequately get a seal. I wish I<br>
>
>> could remember the size of the<br>
>
>> flare nut but it was SAE (not<br>
>
>> metric) sized. Make sure the<br>
>
>> fuel tank is low on fuel<br>
>
>> (think 250 liter will work)<br>
>
>> otherwise a continuous stream of<br>
>
>> fuel will flow by syphon from the<br>
>
>> fuel tank fuel return line<br>
>
>> while you make this plumbing<br>
>
>> change. I managed to turn<br>
>
>> this otherwise simple replacement<br>
>
>> into a major project based<br>
>
>> on A) not using the proper tools<br>
>
>> to loosen and re-install<br>
>
>> the B-nut of the fuel line, B)<br>
>
>> not have lowered the fuel in<br>
>
>> the tank (mine was full at the<br>
>
>> time of my work).<br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> Good luck. The pump was<br>
>
>> about<br>
>
>> $65 as I<br>
>
>> recall (not that expensive in the scheme of
> things)<br>
>
>> and the fuel line<br>
>
>> was about $8<br>
>
>> Sincerely, <br>
>
>> Gary S. Silvers/v LiahonaAmel SM<br>
>
>> #335 Puerto<br>
>
>> Rico <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
>
>> <br>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I forgot a question Ian,

Since you have the same Spade I have. What type of care or maintenance do you do for your anchor?

I did not know anchor needed to be “maintained” (aside washing them after sailing and anchoring and regalvanized after a few years)
Here is how mine look like http://www.nikimat.com/spade_anchor.html which is the reason why Spade is sending me a new one…

So what do you do to maintain your anchor?

Would love to hear back from everybody.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Sat, 6/18/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016, 3:50 PM

Alexandre , 
   
         Why do
you need two anchors ? We have a 30 kg Spade which has coped
in all conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg ,
with a couple of meters of chain which we keep in the port
bow locker " just in case " . We  have used it
once in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in
16 years and that was to pull a French yacht off the beach
in Brazil. We attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor
in and used his winches to save his boat .
Modern anchors , given enough scope , are man
enough for most conditions .
Get your
anchor securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you
can . Chain remaining on board serves no purpose .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM
302 , At anchor in Greece
>
On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I won’t explain
how I end up with 2 anchors (Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but
if curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend,
you can find me under: “Amel NIKIMAT”). 
>
> So my question is:
how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors (Rocna 33 and
Spade 30). 
> As far as I know, my
anchor roller can only accommodate 1 anchor (I think the
roller on the left/port is for a rope - may be someone can
teach me its use). 
> http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html
>
> To me, it seems more
logical to have 2 anchors on the bow, with both easily
deployable.
> but I am open the
opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super maramu with a
windlass on the stern, but then how do you set an anchor
roller there, etc.)
>
>
> My next question is
how much anchor rode for the 2 main anchors… 
> Weight is starting to seriously get a
problem… I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter /
300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg or 450 lbs). 

> So what would be the “minimum”
still safe combination chain (+ rope). 
> I know the chain will be 10 mm and the
rode should be 7/8” 
>
> Thanks in advance… 
>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico
>
>
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>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Ian,

Well, I explained the story on FB how I end up with 2… In short I later discovered about the lifetime warranty on the spade, and it was too late to cancel the rocma which arrived the day after I cancel it…

So now have 2 and trying to cope the best with the situation.

But I will add that my current insurance ask for a minimum of 3 anchors in case of storm, I don’t intend to be in one, but should it be the case I also want to be covered.

I rarely anchor, but when I do I also put pretty much all the chain, as you say onboard serves no purpose…

Thanks for your reply Ian, sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sat, 6/18/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2016, 3:50 PM

Alexandre , 
   
         Why do
you need two anchors ? We have a 30 kg Spade which has coped
in all conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg ,
with a couple of meters of chain which we keep in the port
bow locker " just in case " . We  have used it
once in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in
16 years and that was to pull a French yacht off the beach
in Brazil. We attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor
in and used his winches to save his boat .
Modern anchors , given enough scope , are man
enough for most conditions .
Get your
anchor securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you
can . Chain remaining on board serves no purpose .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM
302 , At anchor in Greece
>
On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I won’t explain
how I end up with 2 anchors (Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but
if curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend,
you can find me under: “Amel NIKIMAT”). 
>
> So my question is:
how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors (Rocna 33 and
Spade 30). 
> As far as I know, my
anchor roller can only accommodate 1 anchor (I think the
roller on the left/port is for a rope - may be someone can
teach me its use). 
> http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html
>
> To me, it seems more
logical to have 2 anchors on the bow, with both easily
deployable.
> but I am open the
opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super maramu with a
windlass on the stern, but then how do you set an anchor
roller there, etc.)
>
>
> My next question is
how much anchor rode for the 2 main anchors… 
> Weight is starting to seriously get a
problem… I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter /
300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg or 450 lbs). 

> So what would be the “minimum”
still safe combination chain (+ rope). 
> I know the chain will be 10 mm and the
rode should be 7/8” 
>
> Thanks in advance… 
>
> Sincerely,
Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico
>
>
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> Posted by: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
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Links
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd Main Anchor on bow

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Alexandre ,
Why do you need two anchors ? We have a 30 kg Spade which has coped in all conditions . We carry an aluminium version 15 kg , with a couple of meters of chain which we keep in the port bow locker " just in case " . We have used it once in anger in 55,000 miles and over 1,000 anchorages in 16 years and that was to pull a French yacht off the beach in Brazil. We attached 100 meters of line , dug the anchor in and used his winches to save his boat .
Modern anchors , given enough scope , are man enough for most conditions .
Get your anchor securely dug in and then pay out as much chain as you can . Chain remaining on board serves no purpose .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 , At anchor in Greece

On 18 Jun 2016, at 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Good afternoon,

I won’t explain how I end up with 2 anchors (Rocna 33 and a Spade 30), but if curious, I posted the story on FB (if you are not friend, you can find me under: “Amel NIKIMAT”).

So my question is: how I can set my vessel for 2 main anchors (Rocna 33 and Spade 30).
As far as I know, my anchor roller can only accommodate 1 anchor (I think the roller on the left/port is for a rope - may be someone can teach me its use).
http://www.nikimat.com/anchor_roller.html

To me, it seems more logical to have 2 anchors on the bow, with both easily deployable.
but I am open the opinion/suggestion (I have seen a super maramu with a windlass on the stern, but then how do you set an anchor roller there, etc.)


My next question is how much anchor rode for the 2 main anchors…
Weight is starting to seriously get a problem… I doubt it will be wise to add another 90 meter / 300 ft of 10 mm chain (which weight 200 kg or 450 lbs).
So what would be the “minimum” still safe combination chain (+ rope).
I know the chain will be 10 mm and the rode should be 7/8”

Thanks in advance…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


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