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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two RCD devices triggered simultaneously
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Francisco, Your electric heating element inside the water heater has developed pin holes. Water enters the pin holes and causes a ground fault. The element needs replacing. Be sure to get a new element gasket when you get the element, or material to make a gasket. You do not need to remove the water heater. Turn off the fresh water and open a tap to bleed the pressure. When you remove the element about 20 liters of water will come out and will drain to the gray water sump. I suggest that you use a wet-vac to vacuum the rest of the water out. It is also normal to see some rusty water. Do not be surprised if you find some pieces of plastic wire ties. I am told the manufacturer uses these wire ties in the assembly, although it seems strange for them to be there. I have seen this several times. These elements have a life of about 5-7 years. Let me know if you need more information. Bill Rouse
On Nov 28, 2016 6:09 AM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two RCD devices triggered simultaneously
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Peregrinus,
I had the same symptoms when the heating element burnt out. I suggest you start with this. Fair winds, Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera, SM 007 Lanzarote
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Two RCD devices triggered simultaneously
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Hello, this morning when I turned on the water heater, the boat immediately lost 220V power. When one depresses the 220V panel water heater, two things happen at the same time: 1. The RCD device at the dock kills power to all 4 boats that use the same column. 2. The RCD device we installed in the engine room for all incoming shore power also triggers at the same time. None of the above happens when power is re-enabled and consumers are turned on, except if one again turns on the water heater. No actual breakers inside nor outside the boat are triggered. For example, the dock-side 10A breaker does not trigger. Only the RCD device protecting all 4 breakers for all 4 boats. What do you think? Thanks in advance, Peregrinus SM2K No. 350 (2002) Compagnia della Vela, Venice
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
Leroy Somer tell me that the MVA gearbox was originally filled with Shell Tivela A
Shell Tivela Compound A is a synthetic, semifluid gear lubricant. It was
developed in co-operation with major gear manufacturers to meet the demand
for high quality, long life gear lubricants.
Shell Tivela Compound A consists of a synthetic base oil blended with a
controlled quantity of highly stable lithium soap and special additives to give
outstanding lubrication performance According to the Shell website Tivela A has been replaced by shell gadus s5 v142w 00 which seems to have the same specification. These are both synthetic oils with lithium soap. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
True Allan. However oil is always more of a challenge to seals than grease, in some situations in my former life I have added grease to oil in a gearbox to solve habitual leakage. The lithium grease I use is quite light so I expect it would tend to stay where needed. As to lubricated for life. The absence of lube points in the original could suggest the same, obviously not so.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
It seems reasonable that IF you put a grease nipple on the gearbox, you need another hole to let out the old grease, otherwise you'll blow the seals Seems to me though that using grease is always going to result in the same issue.The grease gets thrown away from the gears as they rotate.... Also seems to me that the box would be better off filled with SAE90 gear oil, that way the gears would always be lubricated. I note that the last gearbox that I got from Leroy Somer had on the name plate "lubricated for life". I assume that is because it is filled with oil? I haven't taken it apart to check, but it wouldn't be difficult. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 sur la terre
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
James Alton
Danny,
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Ok thanks. I like the plan of using the Lithium since it does not stain the sails too bad if it gets out. Best, James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Arbatax, Italy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi James, no I don't. I use a lithium grease, and use the same all the time. The original grease in my gearboxes was completely solid so I cleaned it out.. So mixing wasn't an issue. The box I did in situ until I had time to dismantle it was fine as the old grease was solid round the edges and the new grease was where it matters Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem Danny, The suggested upgrade of adding grease nipples to the furler gear boxes sounds like a great idea to me. I am planning to take care of this the next time that I am at the boat. I know that some types of grease do not mix well. Do you by chance know what type of grease is best to use in these gearboxes based on what was in there originally? Best, James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Arbatax, Sardinia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
James Alton
Danny, The suggested upgrade of adding grease nipples to the furler gear boxes sounds like a great idea to me. I am planning to take care of this the next time that I am at the boat. I know that some types of grease do not mix well. Do you by chance know what type of grease is best to use in these gearboxes based on what was in there originally? Best, James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Arbatax, Sardinia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
David, I write this email with a "heavy heart" because as a new owner of a Super Maramu, you have had one of the worst experiences that I know of. I am certain that you will leave this experience in your wake as your Super Maramu takes you to some amazing places in the world. That said, I have to say the following because I also am pissed off. Your "expert mechanic" is somebody who thinks he is really smart, claims to know Amels, and is a member of this group, even though he does not own an Amel. He has again screwed things up for another Amel owner...this time it was your turn. He has supplied you with a wear bushing that was made by someone other than Amel. While attempting to remove the 3 lip seals, he has scored/scratched the inner wall of the cavity that the outside of the lip seals "seal-to," and amazingly scored/scratched the roller bearing. The cavity walls should be completely smooth and coated with waterproof grease before you begin to press the seals in place. I use emory cloth to clean the cavity wall each time I do the job, but, all I am removing is salt residue and debris. Hopefully the team at Amel Martinique will have a solution for the extremely poor installation attempt made by this extremely poor excuse of an Amel mechanic. Everyone, I will not post the name of the person who performed this work for David, but if anyone wants to know who this person is, write me at svbebe"at"gmail.com. In my opinion, he should be avoided in the brokerage of Amels and the maintenance of Amels. I am sure that some will differ with my opinion, and my opinion could be wrong. I am not sure why anyone would buy a wear bushing from any source other than Amel. It is 149.80 euros from France and 30% more if you pick it up at Amel Martinique. We all are going to find reason to order from Amel and we all should have on hand at least 1 set of everything needed for wear bushing service and bow thruster service. I normally have 2-3 sets. Plan your parts orders so that they are less frequent and you will save on shipping costs. Does Amel make a profit on these parts? I certainly hope so and I hope that it is enough profit and enough of us order from them so that they will continue supplying parts for as long as we own our boats. Everyone, please consider this when you look to save a few bucks! Best, Bill BeBe 387 Currently St. John USVI
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:18 PM, David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Ben, The outhaul shaft can be a nightmare. Check it out as soon as possible. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:33 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease
Thanks Eric. Had not considered the outhaul shaft before. Good advise. La Bella Vita SM #347
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing
David Vogel <dbv_au@...>
Thanks Ric - I'll keep that in mind if this attempt doesn't work out OK. 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G 213 Masthead Unit
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Thanks for the info Bill !
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Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/27/16, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G 213 Masthead Unit To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Sunday, November 27, 2016, 8:40 AM Recently I lost some parts to the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat - Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. During the process of removing and inspecting my B&G 213 Masthead Unit, I stripped the male threads on the Masthead Mounting Bracket with the metal female securing nut on the Masthead Unit. I remembered hearing about another owner doing this same thing. I remembered that he had to replace the Masthead Mounting Bracket and the attached wire which runs through the mast. So I was prepared to do this also. Then, fortunately, included in what Pat (Shenanigans) sent me I found a black plastic threaded sleeve. I had no idea what it was, but began looking at everything I had and realized that the threaded part on the Masthead Mounting Bracket was actually that sleeve and it unscrewed from the Mounting Bracket. I assume that B&G realized that "things happen" on a boat. So bringing a long story to a conclusion, now all I have to do to solve my cross-thread issue is change the sleeve which screws onto the Masthead Mounting Bracket and replace the 213 Masthead Unit with one that is a combination of what I had and what Pat sent me. I am attempting to upload a photo to the Album named "B & G Mast Head Wind Instruments." Unfortunately, I have had no luck uploading photos this week...probably a problem with Yahoo! However, you should look at this entire album. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1976709260 I hope this saves someone some bacon. BillBeBe 387Currently St. John, USVI
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B&G 213 Masthead Unit
yahoogroups@...
Recently I lost some parts to the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat - Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit.
BeBe 387 Currently St. John, USVI
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B&G 213 Masthead Unit
yahoogroups@...
Recently I lost some parts to the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat - Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit.
BeBe 387 Currently St. John, USVI
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Steve, If you are going to sail south, you may want to use the rigger that Amel in Martinique uses and recommends. I could list dozens of reasons for visiting Martinique from French wine, French food and, of course, Amel and their Caribbean team. Oh, and Marina Du Marin is only about 580 euros a month including electricity. Contacts: Marina Du Marin marina-martinique.fr> and/or Marina Du Marin wanadoo.fr> Use both I know one works and one email does not, but I do not remember which one. Amel contact in Martinique is amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr If you decide that Martinique is in your future (I recommend it), contact the owner of the rigging shop there: Gaëtan Rivet caraibe-greement.fr>. A complete re-rig will cost you 9032.34 euro ($9,568.87USD at 1 EUR = 1.05940 USD) EUR), which includes taxes and 3 days on the working pontoon at their shop. Also he charges 141 euro for a complete and well-done rigging inspection. While we were there over a period of 2 months they averaged one Amel every 10 days for rigging work and most were complete re-rigs. I think that you will be hard-pressed to find more Amel rigging experience. I heard of one issue that one owner had with this shop, but I want to stress that Gaëtan was cleaning up a really bad job that someone in the US did on a Super Maramu in an effort to cut down the forestay so that they did not have to buy the special Amel turnbuckle that Joel mentioned in an earlier email. Everything turned out fine, but did not turn out exactly like the owner had planned. It is sometimes difficult to turn chickens inot eggs. I hope this helps you. Bill Rouse BeBe #387 Currently St. John USVI On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Steve,
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We are here to share our experiences. 2 years ago in Fort Lauderdale I wanted to use Nance and Underwood as recommended on the forum. I wanted the forestay greased (part of 5 or 6 years maintenance) and add a track for the staysail. Since Nance and Underwood had never done that job, and did not think it was necessary I showed the greasing procedure written on the forum. The manager “Houston” was very rude and impolite. Meanwhile I met a couple owning another SM2K who ask for the same work (greasing the forestay). We had dinner on their boat, and they shows me their quote which they just received. The next day I receive mine which was 50% more. As much as I wanted the work done, I couldn’t convince myself to hire them. I still don’t understand Mr Houston’s attitude. During my 6 months stay, I ask other businesses (Mac Donald hardware supply, Boat Owner Warehouse, etc.) for recommendations. People keep mentioning their name (just because they heard of them, did not actually use them), Then when I told my story, how rude Mr Houston was, all replied the same thing: they are known as “jerks” (some use word starting with an A and 2 S followed by hole) “because they know they are the only guys in town and can charge what they want”. So if even go back there I would likely use the person that Mark just recommended. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 11/26/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 8:21 PM Steve, We replace our standing rigging about a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale. They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web site: www.riggingandsails.com The person in charge of the crew that Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info: www.argonautrigging.com Argonaut RiggingJason PinkoOrmond Beach, Florida 32176Phone 954-599-3425Pinkorigging@... Jason lives in the Daytona area but does work all over Florida. Hope this helps. With best regards, Mark Super Maramu 2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still here From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick". Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally? Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install. Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel? Thanks,Steve MorrisonSM2K #380 TouraiFt. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease
Thanks Eric. Had not considered the outhaul shaft before. Good advise. Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347
On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem
Thanks Danny excellent Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347
On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
amelforme
The best guys in Fort Lauderdale, who have done all my Amel re-rigging work for several decades, are Nance and Underwood. They are familiar with all Amel idiosyncrasies and have familiarity with all aspects of the rig and have done at least thirty or forty Amel boats. They have also done complete rebuilds of both masts and all furlers including rewiring and LED nab lights and complete refinishing/painting using chromate and alodine to obtain a better and longer lasting finish than the original coatings. You can also get STA-LOC mechanical end fittings which are better than swages in every way except being slightly more expensive. Call Roger Underwood 954-764-6001. They also have an in-house solution to a better replacement for the unique turnbuckle on the head stay. These guys are good people and very competent. Joel F. Potter THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954-812-2485
On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:59 PM, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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