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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Fuel Tank

Craig Briggs

#30393

Hi Bill,

Hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it certainly could be. Will examine it when I remove it in the next few weeks and report back. Unfortunately, that insurance claim is closed. Maybe I'll just smoosh some JB Weld on it ;-)

Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Craig,

Isn't it possible that lightening caused this?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

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On Nov 28, 2016 4:22 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

When it rains it pours...
The tank on my SN#68 just sprung a leak. I haven't taken it out yet, but It appears a straight-forward job to remove and carry out to the cockpit. (not being in the engine room as the 54 must be).
I'm guessing it's the same 5086 H111 AL, Joel, that you noted for the Amel 54. Yes?
Also, does anyone have a schematic of the tank?
I'm up in Vero Beach, FL and had Tank-Nicians recommended for fabricating a replacement - anyone have any experience with them or can recommend others?

Will appreciate any suggestions.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN#68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, <jfpottercys@...> wrote :

Hi Bob. I t is considered bad form to kill the messenger bringing bad news. The tank in your boat cannot be removed without cutting it in pieces. It is made from 5086 H111 aluminum alloy. Two tanks will need to be fabricated to fit in the same space. I have confirmed this with Olivier. Sorry to have this news to give you. If you send me your email address, I can send you some free advice that will be worth much more than it costs.

Before you Amel folks with an Amel 54 panic, there are extenuating circumstances which most probably led to the failure of the tank on this particular boat.

&nbs p;
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

David Vogel <dbv_au@...>

#30392

Hi Bill, Yes, I checked the dimensions - the ID of the new one was sightly smaller than the old one. About 1/10,000's of an inch on one axis. But the old one was/is a loose fit on the shaft, relying on the O-ring to seal. There was slight water ingress past the first seal. And significant wearing from the outer 2 of the 3 lip-seals. So the bearing had been changes within the recent past, I would say.

Yours aye,

David

Perigee, SM#396, Annapolis

On Tuesday, 29 November 2016, 7:10, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

David,

That O ring is important. Possibly you can get a smaller diameter O Ring, but don't install the wear bushing without one because water will enter the C drive at this point. Something is not right with that bushing if it is too tight for an O ring.

Possibly Vladimir has a new wear bushing in his spares that he could loan you and you could order a new one shipped to him, or maybe he will sell you one of his spares. From what you say, I am concerned about the origin and the specifications of that wear bushing. Have you used a micrometer to measure the difference in the inside diameter between old and new? If you do not have a good micrometer, buy one, you will need it for other things. Maybe Vladimir can help you sort this issue out?

Bill

BeBe 387

Re: Wearing out bearing

dbv_au@...

#30391

Hi Bill R, and all,

I would really like it for this forum maintain decorum and a civil demeanor, and "play the ball, not the man". We benefit from the shared experiences of others, and it is not lightly that I share my experiences with others, as I feel must the case for everyone that has been in such a predicament. There is a lot of trust in talking about these things, both in private and in public forum - please respect these things.

Regarding the providence of the wearing-out bearing - if I may say something here. I cannot say, one way or another. I am assured by the current owner who very kindly provided it on short notice, that it was an original AMEL part. The part was relayed 'safe hand' by another person known to the forum. When compared, the new bearing is very slightly different to the one that was already in there. Which part, if either, OR BOTH, is original AMEL, I cannot say. I will withhold any opinion until I receive a part directly from AMEL (which is underway), and even then any comparison can not be definitively conclusive.

So I would be very cautious myself in drawing any conclusions about this, and even less so to extend this to make inferences about other people.

All that said, I have (re-)learned a valuable lesson, which has been spoken about in relation to other's experiences here also in this forum. That is, if you want a good job, then do it yourself. I enlisted the assistance of someone who, when I checked, said that he had done this particular job over 50 times before. What I thought was happening was all good and proper. I had my concerns, and expressed them, but did not intervene. It was only later that I realised that things had gone wrong. At the end of the day, I was on site, and could have stopped things, checked back and then done it 'by the book'. But I deferred to the expertise on hand. This was, and is, my look-out, and I do not deflect this to another person.

The lesson is: very closely supervise ANYONE working on your pride and joy, and stop anything as soon as you start to feel unconformable. It is easier to re-start work more slowly, or in a different direction, than to have to go back and re-do things or, worse, to need to undertake repairs or rectifications. I think this has been said here before, so I just wish to re-enforce this previous message -- ignore this hard-earnt lesson at your peril. !!!

The fact that issues like this create such exchanges, with such emotion underlying, only highlights how passionate we are about our precious AMELs - and indeed, they are magnificent creations deserving such passion. I can not believe how emotionally engaged I have become to PERIGEE in the 8 weeks I have been in her care, and she in mine. Let us not allow the necessary emotion get in the way of all that is good, and can be done better, on our boats, and in this forum.

Rant off.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

David,

I write this email with a "heavy heart" because as a new owner of a Super Maramu, you have had one of the worst experiences that I know of. I am certain that you will leave this experience in your wake as your Super Maramu takes you to some amazing places in the world.

That said, I have to say the following because I also am pissed off. Your "expert mechanic" is somebody who thinks he is really smart, claims to know Amels, and is a member of this group, even though he does not own an Amel. He has again screwed things up for another Amel owner...this time it was your turn.

He has supplied you with a wear bushing that was made by someone other than Amel. While attempting to remove the 3 lip seals, he has scored/scratched the inner wall of the cavity that the outside of the lip seals "seal-to," and amazingly scored/scratched the roller bearing.

The cavity walls should be completely smooth and coated with waterproof grease before you begin to press the seals in place. I use emory cloth to clean the cavity wall each time I do the job, but, all I am removing is salt residue and debris. Hopefully the team at Amel Martinique will have a solution for the extremely poor installation attempt made by this extremely poor excuse of an Amel mechanic.

Everyone,

I will not post the name of the person who performed this work for David, but if anyone wants to know who this person is, write me at svbebe"at"gmail.com. In my opinion, he should be avoided in the brokerage of Amels and the maintenance of Amels. I am sure that some will differ with my opinion, and my opinion could be wrong.

I am not sure why anyone would buy a wear bushing from any source other than Amel. It is 149.80 euros from France and 30% more if you pick it up at Amel Martinique. We all are going to find reason to order from Amel and we all should have on hand at least 1 set of everything needed for wear bushing service and bow thruster service. I normally have 2-3 sets. Plan your parts orders so that they are less frequent and you will save on shipping costs.

Does Amel make a profit on these parts? I certainly hope so and I hope that it is enough profit and enough of us order from them so that they will continue supplying parts for as long as we own our boats. Everyone, please consider this when you look to save a few bucks!

Best,

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently St. John USVI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#30390

David,

That O ring is important. Possibly you can get a smaller diameter O Ring, but don't install the wear bushing without one because water will enter the C drive at this point. Something is not right with that bushing if it is too tight for an O ring.

Possibly Vladimir has a new wear bushing in his spares that he could loan you and you could order a new one shipped to him, or maybe he will sell you one of his spares. From what you say, I am concerned about the origin and the specifications of that wear bushing. Have you used a micrometer to measure the difference in the inside diameter between old and new? If you do not have a good micrometer, buy one, you will need it for other things. Maybe Vladimir can help you sort this issue out?

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Update:
I was able to remove the new seals easily with gentle and judicious means, and have cleaned up all surfaces to remove any proud bits, and in general - cleaned up the prop shaft as per guidance (light emery paper, shoe-shine style, to remove build-up and scoring), and the internal bore of the pressing fitting (within which the prop shaft sits).

I also made a v.light emery on the inside bore of the NEW wearing-out bushing (the one that would not fit on the prop shaft).

The new bushing can now be 'wound' onto the prop shaft using hand force only (albeit with no O-ring fitted). The new (SKF) lip-seals fit comfortably on the (new) bushing, and seem to be able to be fit nicely inside the bore. So, hopefully, I will not need to resort to re-using the old wear-bearing with speedi-sleeves.

Today: lube-up and re-fit the new lip-seals and wear-bushing, and then put prop back on.

Note to self: in a warm glow of self-accomplishment (and hopefully with help from Vladamir), don't forget the oil (80W-90) for the C-Drive !!!

Re: Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

dbv_au@...

#30389

Update:
I was able to remove the new seals easily with gentle and judicious means, and have cleaned up all surfaces to remove any proud bits, and in general - cleaned up the prop shaft as per guidance (light emery paper, shoe-shine style, to remove build-up and scoring), and the internal bore of the pressing fitting (within which the prop shaft sits).

I also made a v.light emery on the inside bore of the NEW wearing-out bushing (the one that would not fit on the prop shaft).

The new bushing can now be 'wound' onto the prop shaft using hand force only (albeit with no O-ring fitted). The new (SKF) lip-seals fit comfortably on the (new) bushing, and seem to be able to be fit nicely inside the bore. So, hopefully, I will not need to resort to re-using the old wear-bearing with speedi-sleeves.

Today: lube-up and re-fit the new lip-seals and wear-bushing, and then put prop back on.

Note to self: in a warm glow of self-accomplishment (and hopefully with help from Vladamir), don't forget the oil (80W-90) for the C-Drive !!!

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

Alan Leslie

#30388

We have a Mastervolt inverter under the nav table and it is wired to an outlet under the nav table and another in the aft cabin, which we have labelled....charging only..as it won't run a hair dryer !

We have another inverter...white one under the nav table...which is for the TV outlets inside the cupboard on the starbd side of the saloon.....

AND another Mastervolt inverter in the fwd cabin that feeds two 220V outlets under the bunks...for charging phones etc....

Cheers

Alan

Elyse

SM437

Re: Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

dbv_au@...

#30387

Hi Vladimir,

Thanks, I will take you up on your offer. I'll call you in a short while.

Best,

David
SV PERIGEE SM#396
On the Hard
Jabin Yacht Yard, Annapolis

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#30386

Vladimir,

I am so glad that you volunteered to help our new owner David Vogel. I think that you guys will get along great.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

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On Nov 28, 2016 11:35 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

David,

I am a mechanical engineer. I perform all work on my boat. I definitely will be helpful.
We can do this job. My SM #345 is in Herrington Harbor North. She is in the hard.
Call me 202 258 1916.

Vladimir

On Nov 28, 2016 9:24 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev" <sonsev52@...> wrote:
I can help you, but I have never done it before. I know how it should be done.
I live in Edgewater. Call me.

Vladimir Sonsev
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
202 258 1916

On Nov 25, 2016 2:19 PM, "dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Hi all,

Is there anyone nearby to ANNAPOLIS willing and available to help me with refitting the lip-seals and wearing-out bearing for the prop shaft.

Things have gone far less smoothly than expected and, as the new lip-seals were inserted back-to-front, the job has to be started again from scratch. Just having someone on-hand who has successfully done it before and is willing to impart a few tricks'n'tips, would be a great and welcome re-assurance.

Thanks if you can help.

David
SV PERIGEE, SM#396, in the hard
Jabin's Yacht Yard, Annapolis

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#30385

Same here, mine is wired to the main supply.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Mon, 11/28/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Monday, November 28, 2016, 8:03 PM


  








       
       John,
 Our boat is not like that, all 220
 outlets wired to the main supply. 
 Sounds like someone really liked
 their electric razor :)
 Bill KinneySM#160
 HarmonieOn the hard, Fort Lauderdale,
 Florida


 On Nov 28,
 2016, at 19:58, jsrogers@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:
















  






       It may not be a surprise to some of you guys, but I
 keep getting surprised by finding new things on my SM that I
 did not know about.  Case in point is that I found that the
 220 V outlet in the aft head is not fed from the generator
 or shore power as the other outlets but has its own 24V to
 220V inverter behind the wall.  Have any of you found this
 on your boat?  I am considering running a new cable for
 it.

 John Rogers
 SM #105
 It's Good
 Topping, VA
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

VLADIMIR SONSEV

#30382

David,

I am a mechanical engineer. I perform all work on my boat. I definitely will be helpful.
We can do this job. My SM #345 is in Herrington Harbor North. She is in the hard.
Call me 202 258 1916.

Vladimir

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On Nov 28, 2016 9:24 PM, "Vladimir Sonsev" <sonsev52@...> wrote:

I can help you, but I have never done it before. I know how it should be done.
I live in Edgewater. Call me.

Vladimir Sonsev
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
202 258 1916

On Nov 25, 2016 2:19 PM, "dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Is there anyone nearby to ANNAPOLIS willing and available to help me with refitting the lip-seals and wearing-out bearing for the prop shaft.

Things have gone far less smoothly than expected and, as the new lip-seals were inserted back-to-front, the job has to be started again from scratch. Just having someone on-hand who has successfully done it before and is willing to impart a few tricks'n'tips, would be a great and welcome re-assurance.

Thanks if you can help.

David
SV PERIGEE, SM#396, in the hard
Jabin's Yacht Yard, Annapolis

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

paul schofield <pwschofield@...>

#30381

I also have a 24v to 220v inverter under the chart table. I haven’t been able to figure out what it is powering. I guess I’ll check the aft head.

Paul Schofield

SM 215

Trillium

Brunswick, GA

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: jsrogers@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

It may not be a surprise to some of you guys, but I keep getting surprised by finding new things on my SM that I did not know about. Case in point is that I found that the 220 V outlet in the aft head is not fed from the generator or shore power as the other outlets but has its own 24V to 220V inverter behind the wall. Have any of you found this on your boat? I am considering running a new cable for it.

John Rogers
SM #105
It's Good
Topping, VA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

VLADIMIR SONSEV

#30380

I can help you, but I have never done it before. I know how it should be done.
I live in Edgewater. Call me.

Vladimir Sonsev
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
202 258 1916

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On Nov 25, 2016 2:19 PM, "dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Is there anyone nearby to ANNAPOLIS willing and available to help me with refitting the lip-seals and wearing-out bearing for the prop shaft.

Things have gone far less smoothly than expected and, as the new lip-seals were inserted back-to-front, the job has to be started again from scratch. Just having someone on-hand who has successfully done it before and is willing to impart a few tricks'n'tips, would be a great and welcome re-assurance.

Thanks if you can help.

David
SV PERIGEE, SM#396, in the hard
Jabin's Yacht Yard, Annapolis

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>

#30379

John,

Our boat is not like that, all 220 outlets wired to the main supply.

Sounds like someone really liked their electric razor :)

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, Florida

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On Nov 28, 2016, at 19:58, jsrogers@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

It may not be a surprise to some of you guys, but I keep getting surprised by finding new things on my SM that I did not know about. Case in point is that I found that the 220 V outlet in the aft head is not fed from the generator or shore power as the other outlets but has its own 24V to 220V inverter behind the wall. Have any of you found this on your boat? I am considering running a new cable for it.

John Rogers
SM #105
It's Good
Topping, VA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar Engine issue

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#30383

Is there a way to isolate the electronic ignition and add a ground to it?

I am rather familiar with the isolated ground on my older Yanmar engine as I completely rewired it myself this summer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar Engine issue

As an additional note to my March 8 post, I have installed the Yanmar 4JH80 with isolated grounds to all the sensors and alternators. However, I have found that beginning with this year Yanmar is making their engines with an electronic ignition which requires constant power and a ground to the engine block which ob course violates Amel's isolated ground design. The Boatyard mechanic is telling me that an isolating prop shaft coupling by Global Rubber will prevent any current from going into the water and will solve any corrosion problems. Have anybody encountered this issue?

Re: Yanmar Engine issue

jsrogers@...

#30378

As an additional note to my March 8 post, I have installed the Yanmar 4JH80 with isolated grounds to all the sensors and alternators. However, I have found that beginning with this year Yanmar is making their engines with an electronic ignition which requires constant power and a ground to the engine block which ob course violates Amel's isolated ground design. The Boatyard mechanic is telling me that an isolating prop shaft coupling by Global Rubber will prevent any current from going into the water and will solve any corrosion problems. Have anybody encountered this issue?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 220V Outlets

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#30384

Hello John,

We modified the electrics to include 450W of solar energy. After 1 1/2 years, we found our mods very useful… we added a 3 KW inverter in the engine bay and wired most 220 V outlets to the inverter. Great not to fire up the genset to get a cuppa java. We chose a Cotek product because they are made for the commercial fishing boats and bullet proof.

GL with your new wiring.

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007

Lanzarote.. leaving for Guadeloupe on 3 Dec.

On 29 Nov 2016, at 00:58, jsrogers@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

It may not be a surprise to some of you guys, but I keep getting surprised by finding new things on my SM that I did not know about. Case in point is that I found that the 220 V outlet in the aft head is not fed from the generator or shore power as the other outlets but has its own 24V to 220V inverter behind the wall. Have any of you found this on your boat? I am considering running a new cable for it.

John Rogers
SM #105
It's Good
Topping, VA

Jean-Pierre Germain,

+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...

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220V Outlets

jsrogers@...

#30377

It may not be a surprise to some of you guys, but I keep getting surprised by finding new things on my SM that I did not know about. Case in point is that I found that the 220 V outlet in the aft head is not fed from the generator or shore power as the other outlets but has its own 24V to 220V inverter behind the wall. Have any of you found this on your boat? I am considering running a new cable for it.

John Rogers
SM #105
It's Good
Topping, VA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two RCD devices triggered simultaneously

karkauai

#30376

The heating element on the Quick Nautical Boiler B3 40L has a 55mm hex nut. You need a 55mm immersion box wrench to remove it. It's an axle nut wrench that you should be able to purchase at a Napa or other auto parts store.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

Maramu cockpit canopy

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>

#30375

We're fairly naive Amelers and we've just noticed for the first time the sound of water sloshing from side to side in the forward base of the canopy over the cockpit in our Maramu.  I notice that there are six plastic plugs along the forward surface of the base of the canopy and I imagine they may  be for access to bolts that attach the canopy to the main superstructure but I have no evidence for that idea.  We've had torrential rain for the past couple of weeks here in Barbados and I notice that one of the six plastic plugs is loose and it's possible that the rain got through.

Does anyone have diagrams or knowledge of how the canopy structure mates with the main superstructure or any experience of water ingress to that part?

With kind regards

Graham Cresswell

S/Y Jamesby
Maramu #240

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Fuel Tank

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#30374

Craig,

Isn't it possible that lightening caused this?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

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On Nov 28, 2016 4:22 PM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

When it rains it pours...
The tank on my SN#68 just sprung a leak. I haven't taken it out yet, but It appears a straight-forward job to remove and carry out to the cockpit. (not being in the engine room as the 54 must be).
I'm guessing it's the same 5086 H111 AL, Joel, that you noted for the Amel 54. Yes?
Also, does anyone have a schematic of the tank?
I'm up in Vero Beach, FL and had Tank-Nicians recommended for fabricating a replacement - anyone have any experience with them or can recommend others?

Will appreciate any suggestions.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN#68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi Bob. I t is considered bad form to kill the messenger bringing bad news. The tank in your boat cannot be removed without cutting it in pieces. It is made from 5086 H111 aluminum alloy. Two tanks will need to be fabricated to fit in the same space. I have confirmed this with Olivier. Sorry to have this news to give you. If you send me your email address, I can send you some free advice that will be worth much more than it costs.

Before you Amel folks with an Amel 54 panic, there are extenuating circumstances which most probably led to the failure of the tank on this particular boat.

&nbs p;
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell