Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Duane,
This is incredible. As I think about it, it is the only possible solution for your Onan filling with fresh water. You certainly titled the post correctly “strange issue”
When we next haulout, I will check the valve. Thanks for all the details. This was quite enlightening.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico www.creampuff.us
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Mark,
It was most definitely the flush valve at the watermaker pre-filter. I verified it this way:
Do this overnight so there are minimal other factors such as use of the freshwater system. 1.On the hard so no ocean to complicate things 2. Empty seachest and remove seachest lid 3. Close seachest thru-hull valve and leave the freshwater pump ON 4. Ensure watermaker flush valve set to provide seawater to watermaker 5. In the morning if the seachest has freshwater in it, the flush valve is leaking. Mine was half full in the morning.
This will also work if you are in the water and are sure the seachest thru-hull is not leaking. You could empty the seachest and wipe it down with freshwater (so you can check the salinity) to be sure. For a double check, the next night do the same process but in #3 leave the freshwater pump OFF. If no water the second night you are absolutely sure it's the flush valve leaking.
I will be adding a ball valve between the freshwater pump and the watermaker flush valve. There is no danger from the freshwater leak thru the watermaker flush valve as long as one of the following conditions are met:
A. Seachest thru-hull valve is open (any freshwater pressure will go to the sea before the genny), or; B. Seachest lid is removed so the freshwater leaking past will spill into the bilge (recommended if you are hauled out and living aboard with the freshwater pump on).
Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
greatketch@...
Duane,
You certainly convinced me, and I admit I was skeptical! In in the freshwater flush line to my watermaker I had added a carbon block filter to the fresh water feed line to remove any last traces of chorine from dock water that might be in the tank, so I already have one ball valve in line to isolate that from the pressure water system, and the previous owner had already installed another ball valve just before the Dessalator three way valve. That makes two... If I keep them all shut during normal operation, I expect to never see the problem... Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Culebra, P.R. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote : Mark, It was most definitely the flush valve at the watermaker pre-filter. I verified it this way: ...... |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator Flooded with Fresh Water
VLADIMIR SONSEV
Bob, Did you consider just using 2 twoway valves? I am considering that and I would like to know your opinion. Vladimir 202 258 1916 On Apr 14, 2017 3:05 AM, "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Hi Ann-Sofie Thank you for this information, very helpful. We have ordered the same tool as Bill advised. Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332 Brisbane On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Mark,
It was most definitely the flush valve at the watermaker pre-filter. I verified it this way: Do this overnight so there are minimal other factors such as use of the freshwater system. 1.On the hard so no ocean to complicate things 2. Empty seachest and remove seachest lid 3. Close seachest thru-hull valve and leave the freshwater pump ON 4. Ensure watermaker flush valve set to provide seawater to watermaker 5. In the morning if the seachest has freshwater in it, the flush valve is leaking. Mine was half full in the morning. This will also work if you are in the water and are sure the seachest thru-hull is not leaking. You could empty the seachest and wipe it down with freshwater (so you can check the salinity) to be sure. For a double check, the next night do the same process but in #3 leave the freshwater pump OFF. If no water the second night you are absolutely sure it's the flush valve leaking. I will be adding a ball valve between the freshwater pump and the watermaker flush valve. There is no danger from the freshwater leak thru the watermaker flush valve as long as one of the following conditions are met: A. Seachest thru-hull valve is open (any freshwater pressure will go to the sea before the genny), or; B. Seachest lid is removed so the freshwater leaking past will spill into the bilge (recommended if you are hauled out and living aboard with the freshwater pump on). Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Hi Collin and Laureen
We are in the middle of re-painting the stripes and have noticed that the width of the stripes varies between 4,5 and 5,5 mm. So meassure on several places. In the cockpit there is most variations.
Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM2, 1998
Skickat från min iPad 16 apr. 2017 kl. 01:25 skrev Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
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Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco
greatketch@...
In my experience Jabsco pumps work, but have a fairly short lifetime in the kind of use they get on a boat where people live full time. They are cheap enough that you can get two and keep a spare if you like them.
My OEM fresh water pump had been changed to a Jabsco long before I bought Harmonie, and it was time to replace it again. I ended up with pumps made by an Italian company, Marco. They are gear pumps with a variable speed controller. Quiet, and smooth flow. Very few moving parts. Medium priced. Check back with me in 10 years and I'll let you know how they last! Bill Kinney SM160 Harmonie Culebra, P.R. |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Hi Bill Once again thank you for your incredibly kind assistance. We will measure the stripe gaps today and order the same tool and equipment. Best regards Colin & Lauren Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM#332 Brisbane On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 1:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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St Maartn AMEL Get Together- this coming week.
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi, There seems to be a bunch of us on St Marten this week coming. I will be on Kimberlite , Simpson bay Marina, Mimberlite is on the main Dock about slip C12. I arrive on board the 18 th about 4 Pm and will be on island for a week or so, changing the engine mounts. Please drop by if you are around . USA cell -Wi fi stinks at the marina 1 -631-398-9990 text is best. Just drop by. We will be definitely on board the 19th an 20 for most of the day. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Amel 50
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Ross, Good luck CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:12 PM, rossny@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: new Amel 50
rossny@mail.com
I am buying TWO lottery tickets today!!
Wish me luck, Ross in NYC (still an Amel owner for a few days...counting the days until I can adopt another...) |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flag Registration
seafeverofcuan@...
Ron,
There are numerous postings on this site regarding insuring vessels in a country outside your normal residence, generally due to more attractive premiums which save money. The most import fact that seems to be continually overlooked is that if there is a claim, then the policy holder will be subject to the laws, jurisdiction and currency of the country where the policy is written. Part of the reason premiums for blue water sailing are high is to cover the repatriation costs of the boat to an area where the required level of skills are available to correctly repair a damaged yacht. Often, due to the nature of build process that is not straight forward with an Amel. If anyone is really serious about sailing overseas then flag and register your vessel correctly and carry notarized copies of everything for presentation on arrival at a new port. Any form of clever short cuts re. flags or registration documents will eventually lead to a nightmare somewhere. Brazil and Argentina have numerous vessels mostly European, that have been seized due to incorrect paperwork, neatly described as "legal piracy" by insurance companies. I was asked for a US $15k bribe by three officials to release my boat from Brazil which I refused to pay. I had weeks of hassle trying to get cleared and eventually joined a French rally to get lost in a crowd and cleared out with a group. The crew of non USA flagged vessels privately owned, will only be accepted into USA territory if they have been issued with the appropriate visa before arrival. In my experience this is a zero tolerance policy and no matter how long or far you have been on passage, you will be turned away. Mexico will accept on line temporary permit applications for your vessel if your are Canadian or American, all others have to arrive there first and it difficult to achieve due to lack of knowledge form their officials. All the correct information is out there. My two cents worth is, full time cruising is hard enough, why would anyone want to make it harder just so someone who doesn't give a damn can take their home away?. Fair winds. Trevor Lusty Ireland former owner Seafever of Cuan Hull 425 SM redline |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Colin, This is the one I used: http://www.dickblick.com/products/master-paint-stripers/ There are others available...google "striping tool" Hint,
Also:
Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Thanks Bill Pardon my dumb question now but what is a striping tool? Is it a roller the size of the stripes and then, to get the perfect quality as on your boat, did you need to tape up all the brown along the edges of each stripe? I am planning to purchase all the required bits and pieces before we depart Brisbane within the next fortnight, so want to ensure I have all the required paint, tools and equipment on board. Colin Streeter Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332 Brisbane On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:55 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
John Clark
Hi Duane,
I'm glad you got it figured out...and Genny is still alive. I'm in Lauderdale waiting for plane back to St.Maarten. After reading all the help and troubleshooting in this thread, I am going to spend some time looking over my plumbing as well. I am rebuilding the watermaker plant soon so this is a good time to contemplating some rerouting and extra isolation valves. Oh, and inverter arrived safe and sound.. still owe you dinner! Regards, John John Clark Vent de Soleil. SM 37 Great Bay, St. Maarten |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Duane,
We just got to an area with internet and have followed this saga with great interest. Very strange situation. Did you replace the faulty valve and verify it was the cause? From what I gather, it was the freshwater flush valve for the water maker?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 6:41 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Bob,
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. We're back in the water and the genny is doing fine. I've changed the oil five times now after 45 minute runs and the last two look normal.
All is well, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Colin, I had a single part marine quality paint mixed to match the AwlGrip cream color. Pick a brand available in Australia and have them match the color. I did not use AwlGrip because they only make 2 part paint and I was concerned that the 2 part might set up while applying with the striping tool. I am not sure if this is correct. If you color the faux caulking cream, it will take two coats. Be sure to buy at least 1 liter of lacquer thinner to clean tools and mistakes. There is a learning process with the tool and getting the correct amount of thinner. If it is too thick, it will not work well with a striping tool. Judy and I believe that this is the very best appearance job that you can do on a Super Maramu. Second would be changing the color of the boot stripe and rub rail to desert sand. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Apr 15, 2017 3:48 AM, "'colin.d.streeter' colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Thanks Bill. I'm using cream color.
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Bob,
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction. We're back in the water and the genny is doing fine. I've changed the oil five times now after 45 minute runs and the last two look normal. All is well, Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Bill We love the look of your decks with the cream colour stripes and will do the sams on Island Pearl II as soon as we get a chance, possibly in Thailand. What type of paint did you use and was there a specific colour / code? Cin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl Ii. SM#332 Brisbane Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S6 on the Telstra Mobile Network -------- Original message -------- From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 15/04/2017 9:31 AM (GMT+10:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed?? Between 1 & 2 liters for 2 coats, if applied by a striping tool. I really suggest cream color which will take 2 coats. Be sure to sand the old paint. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Apr 14, 2017 6:09 PM, "joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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