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Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?
John Clark
Hi Paul,
I just had rigging replaced in Le Marin by Caraibe for 10,500 Euro. They are the shop that Amel employs in Martinique and uses all original ACMO hardware. They were working on a SM when I got my quote and I followed another SM into the work pier. As we were leaving another Amel was pulling in, so they are quite experienced with Amel rigs. It was three days work, they handled everythIng. Gatean was the fellow I talked to, he can speak english. Regards. John John Clark Vent de Soleil SM 37 Great Bay, Sint Maarten |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigging quotes
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Paul, Where you are located you have another option. For about 10,000€, including labor, you can sail over to Martinique and have the rigger that Amel recommends do a turn-key job. Gaëtan Rivet caraibe-greement.fr Best CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:12 AM, pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: rigging quotes
pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
Craig,
Thank you for your response and the information. I asked them about the right-hand/left-hand turnbuckle thing, and they stated that it would be the same regardless. Maybe there was a shortage of left-hand turnbuckles back in 2010? Thanks again and all the best, Paul Stascavage SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn Saint Lucia |
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Re: rigging quotes
Hi Paul,
We bought ours in 2010. Some time ago Gary Silver posted his Super Maramu invoice from March, 2014 and it was virtually the same as yours at 7947€ plus 780€ for shipping (to where I don't know) for a total of 8286€. We did save some 1000€ by specifying standard right handed turnbuckles rather than the Amel original spec of left handed ones. I don't know if Gary did that too, but you probably do on your quote. The difference may not be unreasonable, though, if you consider the Santorin has 6, 7, 8 and 10 mm stays versus the Super Maramu's 7,8,10 & 12mm with proportionally sized turnbuckles, plus it being 7 years ago. Good grief, 7 years puts me about half way to having to do it again! I may have to have Katherine do the work aloft this time while I push the button on the windlass. Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68, Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Fl ---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote : Craig and Katherine, How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO? I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping. I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €. Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Paul Stascavage SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn Saint Lucia RitaKathryn.com |
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Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?
pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
Craig and Katherine,
How long ago did you obtain your rigging from ACMO? I just received a quote from them for a Super Maramu for 7954 € without shipping. I realize a SM would be somewhat more expensive than a Santorin, but I had read a number of times that the number was closer to 5000 €. Has anyone else received a quote recently from ACMO? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Paul Stascavage SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn Saint Lucia RitaKathryn.com |
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Amel 54 with a Yanmar
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
I went to La Rochelle prior to the announcement of the 54..on my insistence, Amel would have been able to change my engine to Yanmar since it was still legal for another year in the USA.
I actually sailed the prototype and was sworn to secrecy since they had not announced the 54 and were still delivering the 53’s. I would only have to pay the submission to the CE approval bureau and the architects plus any additional modifications for a Yanmar . I had hull #12 on order ( my lucky number) however perceived health issues made me cancel my order, DAMN” The boat was hidden on the opposite side of the harbor , Jean-Jack, Joel , Olivier and I took it out for a sail. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 |
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Re: Rigging tune on Maramu caused damage
j.lochhead@...
Hi Peter, I have put an update to this below.
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Re: Rigging tune on Maramu caused damage
j.lochhead@...
Hi,
Well we finally got to a place suitable to be able to remove the masts and carry out the repairs so I thought I should do an update. Main Mast Compression Post - The main mast defiantly had rot, and that had also caused some rot to the bulkhead. A previous owner had done a pretty good job of trying to replace the bulkhead from the saloon side, but without access to the area under the floor from the head side he could only do so much. Tried removing the floor pan in the head but ended up having to cut the floor out. Upon cutting out the floor pan we also discovered that the glassed in copper pipe had corroded. The post was then replaced with new hardwood. I did consider going for a stainless post, but as good hardwood was available decided to stick with that. We then re-glassed the post in at the bottom and top. Floor was repaired and new gelcoat put on. The head is not quite back together yet but will post a finished photo when it is. Why did this happen? Well I guess it is a 30+ year old boat so somethings like this are bound to occur, however I think the main reason is that freshwater had got in-between the wall lining and the shower floor. The glass did not come up this high. I will be sealing this joint and ensuring that the mast drain has a tube in it so that any water from there also runs straight into the floor drain. I also found that the Mizzen Mast - Under the mizzen mast base plate we found that there was a wooden block encapsulated in the fibreglass. This was rotten, causing the area to sink and pushing the top of the seat up in the middle. The rope box had come away from the bulkhead the same way as yours had Peter. When this was cut out it was also discovered that the balsa core to the seat was rotten. The rope box was cut out and saved for reuse. The seat gap was filled as best as possible with resin and chopshred. The base under the mizzen was then built up from the bottom layer with epoxy and high quality glass. Why did this happen? I am not sure, but I think that the issue occurred because additional holes where put into the box area for running solar panel cables. These would have been sealed at the time, but I guess over the years it leaked and led to rot. Once the rot to the block started to collapse it it meant that the water could also get in next to the conduit that takes the mizzen mast cables. Will post photos soon. James |
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
greatketch@...
Duane,
The comments from Apollo do NOT apply to the type of valve used by Dessalator in the watermaker. There is no way the Dessalator valve can mix from the salt and fresh water supplies if it is working properly. If it could, that would be a bad thing, since there are some situations where salt water could mix with the fresh, and contaminate the boat's drinking water, or you could lose fresh water out the sea chest. It is really hard to see how this valve could fail in this way. If the seals fail, typically the leak path is to the outside, not between ports. But... if all the impossible things have been eliminated... All these thoughts of course assume all the original equipment is still in place... Bill Kinney SM160 Harmonie Isla de Culebra, PR |
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Re: Mizzen stay sail
Paul,
I am glad you asked about this. I have had the same problem when sailing Ipanema on a port broad reach. I like the idea of using the boom to keep the sheet away from the ladder. That should work on really broad reaches but will not let you use the mizzen if you are sailing a bit less deep. Perhaps the small pole may work. I will be testing it soon. Jose Ipanema SM2000 278 No longer shrink rapped Constitution Marina Boston |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Eric,
Turning off the freshwater pump may not be enough. If you (for example) are on the hard, living on the boat with the seachest thru-hull closed, the leak is small and incremental. If you turn off the water at 2PM and go into town, and then turn it back on at 7PM it was off only for 5 out of 24 hours. The other 19 hours there is a trickle leaking past the flush valve ball and pressurizing the seachest. While that's happening water is being pushed from the seachest to the generator. Even though you shut off the water pump, the accumulator tank has a volume of water under pressure, and it will push into the system, basically supplying water for the leak until the pressure drops down far enough the valve no longer leaks. So shutting it off for 5 hours, or overnight won't solve the problem. Of course the problem only exists if the seachest thru-hull is closed with the lid on the seachest. Here's the takeaway: if you ever close the seacock, take off the lid to the seachest. If you don't you're just gambling. Apollo valves had a warning about their three way valves that follows (note paragraph 2): ============================================ When ports “A” and “B” are the inlets, and port “C” is the outlet, the valve becomes a mixing valve. With minor variations in position 2 the percentage of components at “A” and “B” can be varied to the outlet “C”. This has been successfully applied to hydronic systems. It may not be possible to isolate the ports from one another in any position. If the valve is in position 1, and the pressure at port “B” is significantly higher than port “A”, the ball may be forced off the seat allowing mixing from all ports. Whether or not this is a problem depends on the application and its sensitivity to unwanted mixing. ================================================ The situation where the pressure at port "B" is significantly higher than Port "A" is exactly what we have in the flush valve at the watermaker. What happens is that the freshwater side "unseats" the ball and water leaks to the pre-filter and thus the seawater system. Whether this is unique to Apollo's valves, or is typical of ball valves I don't know, but now I am very very suspicious. You can test yours by shutting the seacock with the water pump on, noting the level of water in it, and observing for 12 hours. Of course you must not use any seawater (no airconditioning, no toilets, etc.). On mine it would fill about 1/3 full in 8 hours. This represents a lot of water over the course of a month as well. I'm planning on putting a shut-off valve on the fresh water prior to the flush valve. That way I'll sleep better and I won't worry about the new 3-way valve leaking. Duane |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen stay sail
Thank you for your inputs, I will try some of your suggestions,especially to use the mizzen boom.
Have anyone tried to make a pool sticking out a bit say a foot, should not be to difficult to attache to the after cleat. Would benefit when sailing with the wind more aft. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 in Exuma Bahamas |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Duane, That is really odd, I thought those ball valves are bulletproof. I do turn off the fresh water pump when I leave Kimberlite for any length of time. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:46 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Eric,
On Wanderer there is a manual valve that controls water to the Duo60 Dessalator Pre-Filter. Both freshwater and seawater are connected to it. In one position it permits seawater to enter the pre-filter, in the other position it connects the pressurized freshwater to the pre-filter.
Duane |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Bill,
You asked why neither of us noticed the pump cycling. It took 12 hours just to fill the seachest. At that rate the accumulater tank may be able to supply the tiny trickle of water, and it could be covered up with normal use (washing dishes, etc). We were talking about this and Peg noted she thought she thought she heard the pump in the middle of the night from the aft head. But with regular liveaboard use of the water every few hours it might refill the accumulator often enough that the small volume of the leak doesn't cause the pump to cycle. Duane |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Eric,
On Wanderer there is a manual valve that controls water to the Duo60 Dessalator Pre-Filter. Both freshwater and seawater are connected to it. In one position it permits seawater to enter the pre-filter, in the other position it connects the pressurized freshwater to the pre-filter. Duane |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Duane, What flush valve are you speaking about? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 2:35 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Bill,
The mechanic tasted the water that pumped out of the Onan oil reservoir and said it was freshwater. He also tasted the water in the muffler and said it was salt water. Fresh water is less dense (weighs less) than salt water, so it will float on top unless there is some action that causes them to mix. It's entirely possible that the fresh water floated on top of the salt water in the muffler and when we drained it, with the drain at the bottom, the salt water came out first.
all this aside, it's clear that the flush valve leaks into the sea chest: I removed the sea chest lid, closed the sea chest thru-hull and waited. The water level in the sea chest steadily rose during the day.
Many thanks to everyone for their help, especially Bob from Rossi Design Group...this forum is truly a blessing!
Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
Bill,
The mechanic tasted the water that pumped out of the Onan oil reservoir and said it was freshwater. He also tasted the water in the muffler and said it was salt water. Fresh water is less dense (weighs less) than salt water, so it will float on top unless there is some action that causes them to mix. It's entirely possible that the fresh water floated on top of the salt water in the muffler and when we drained it, with the drain at the bottom, the salt water came out first. all this aside, it's clear that the flush valve leaks into the sea chest: I removed the sea chest lid, closed the sea chest thru-hull and waited. The water level in the sea chest steadily rose during the day. Many thanks to everyone for their help, especially Bob from Rossi Design Group...this forum is truly a blessing! Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Generator strange issue
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Duane, I thought you originally said that it was freshwater in the engine and muffler. I discussed this with Bob Rossi and his Dessalator Flush Valve was defective. He maintains that this defective valve allowed the freshwater and saltwater systems to merge and when the freshwater system pressurized, the water flowed through the saltwater path to the Onan, filling the muffler and backing into the engine. Although this is technically plausible, I wonder why the water took that path when there was a clear and lower pathway through the AC water system? Also, I wonder why neither of you noticed the pump cycle on/off on freshwater system with no use of the system? A suggestion: Test for salinity using the TDS meter I am sure that you have because it will be much more reliable than taste. Good luck and another great example of the value of this Group. Best, Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 4:17 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
sailor63109@...
A further update...
The problem appears to be the flush valve for the watermaker. If it leaks from the freshwater side to the seawater side, when in the seawater position, it will send freshwater to the seawater distribution manifold. If you have the seachest thru-hull valve open to the sea, this won't be a problem. If you have that valve closed however, and the flush valve leaks as noted above, it will pressuize the seachest and force water back to the lowest reservior, which turns out to be the generator on an SM2000. Don't close your seachest thru-hull while on the hard until you confirm no leak. You can do that by closing the seachest thru-hull, emptying the seachest, leaving the water pump on. If you don't get any leakage back into the seachest after 24 hours you're probably OK. Thanks to Bob from Rossi Design Group (I didn't catch your boat name Bob) for the heads up to check this. I hope he will post any further information he has or correct any mistakes in my notes above. Thanks Bob! Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Hella 24 volt fan for $60USD delivered free in the US
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Here is a deal, if anyone is interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hella-Marine-24-volt-Fan-/302279534177?hash=item466143a661:g:MysAAOSw4CFY7BBb&vxp=mtr Over the years, I bought replacements for these fans through ebay. I had a auto search for it which this morning delivered me a notice via email. There is only one... Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie Street Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 |
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